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DoE testing - The Last Word

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  • #652
    shagman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭shagman


    Over on the classics section there is this thread that claims DOE testing is going to come in for vintage commercial vehicles. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057118499

    Anyone know if this is true? I reclassified my 1979 camper as vintage on it's 30th birthday and pay vintage tax and insurance (SORNed at the moment though). I'm concerned about windows not having the right standards marks etc moreso than it's mechanical condition as it's in the middle of a full rebuild.


  • #653
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    I'm fairly sure that the answer is yes, but your best bet is to look through the RSA web site or to 'phone them in Ballina for confirmation.


  • #654
    shagman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭shagman


    From the RSA/CVRT link Nailer posted....

    CRW FAQs

    "1. Are there any changes to test anniversary dates / validity period of a CRW for vehicles?
    The current legal obligation for commercial vehicles to be tested annually, on the anniversary of the date of their first registration remains.
    Motor caravans must be tested on the fourth anniversary of first registration and thereafter every two years until the vehicle is ten years old, after which annual testing applies. Motor Caravans registered prior to 1st January 1980 are exempt from testing.

    Grand so :)


  • #655
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    The above posting is, obviously, correct.

    I made copious notes whilst talking with the RSA during the test set up period and, reading back through them, it seems there was some talk of either doing away with the no test or changing to "over 30 year old vehicles" being exempt, as I believe it is in the U.K. This would have suited my 1986 camper in a couple of years time.

    But no, they left things as they were for cars and included campers. Not so good for me:(.


  • #656
    shagman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭shagman


    1980 is the cut off date for cars too, 1980-1984 cars are classics as regards tax but must do yearly NCTs.


  • #657
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    shagman wrote: »
    1980 is the cut off date for cars too, 1980-1984 cars are classics as regards tax but must do yearly NCTs.

    Correct, and as I said, they left the 1980 rule as it was and added campers to it.


  • #658
    Aidan_M_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Aidan_M_M


    See the newer DOE rules have a few important changes , in that for your first DOE on an imported MH , or one that is a year or more out of date , you just get a 6 month cert.


  • #659
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    Aidan_M_M wrote: »
    See the newer DOE rules have a few important changes , in that for your first DOE on an imported MH , or one that is a year or more out of date , you just get a 6 month cert.

    In typical irish fashion we make a new rule send out a circular and then decide not to stick to it.
    I dont know why but if you have an imported vehicle and only get a 6 month cert, you can ring the rsa and complain and they will change it for a 12 month cert.
    No idea why but it is happening.

    Note: This is only the import rule.
    If you are late for your test date by 6 months and get a 6 month cert they wont do anything if you complain.


  • #660
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    This really goes to show that the test has very little to do with road safety, more to do with money.

    If a test shows that your vehicle is fit to be on the road, on the day that it's tested, it should receive a full year or two year cert. . Why on earth can't they get it right :confused:.


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  • #661
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    They want to follow the same rules as the NCT.
    Also they want to penalise operators who don't test their vehicles on time, or at the least take away the financial benefit to an operator that doesn't keep his fleet tested.
    At present up to 20% of commercial vehicles are out of CVR/DOE at any one time.
    Its definitely a money thing but its also fairness. The compliant owner shouldnt pay more often than an uncompliant owner.


  • #662
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Just another example of The RSA applying commercial vehicle rules to our motor caravans which are not vehicles operating in the commercial world.
    Motor caravans are in fact private passenger vehicles (same as cars) by legal definition.


  • #663
    Morgan The Moon
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Morgan The Moon


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    What is the expiry date of the cert.

    In the early days of testing last year 'vans entitled to a two year cert were only being given one year certs, this was due to the proper admin not being in place when testing became law.
    However, later on when the admin caught up the one year cert was exchanged for a two year one, but you had to go to the local motor tax office and ask for the exchange, it was not done automatically.

    If you haven't exchanged your one year cert why not try now, you have nothing to loose. If they wont do it then you will just have to get a test done.

    The date of original registration of the 'van is also important, depending on exactly when it was it might not be over ten years old yet.

    BTW, it the 'van is over 3,500kg GVW and you were charged the HGV price (€13) for the cert at the tax office, late admin changes again :rolleyes:, you are entitled for a refund as the correct price for motor caravans is €6 irrespective of GVW.

    Hi niloc1951,
    Just noticed the above. Do you know is it the motor tax office that give the refund. I would enjoy getting something back of them if I can.

    Rgds,

    Morg


  • #664
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Morgan The Moon wrote: »
    Hi niloc1951,
    Just noticed the above. Do you know is it the motor tax office that give the refund. I would enjoy getting something back of them if I can.

    Rgds,

    Morg

    I got my refund from the tax office when I went there to exchange my one year cert for the two year I was entitled to.

    I bought the nicest tasting pint and sandwich ever with the refund :D:D:D


  • #665
    jpogorman
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭jpogorman


    Hi,

    I failed my DOE yesterday due to my back axel being overweight. The mechanic suggested getting the vehicle weighed and re-plated. He mentioned that 2200kg for the back axel and 1600kg for the front axel should do it. I was interested why it had previously passed the DOE and he mentioned legislation changes. A couple of questions if anyone has some answers?
    1) Has anyone needed to get a camper re-plated? I have a 1996 Fiat Burstner so I would have expected that the plate would be accurate from day one.
    2) Has anyone specifics on any legislation changes in the last 18 months?
    3) I've been working off the assumption that a standard B license (up to 3500kg) has covered me to date. The camper had a 3500kg unladen weight up to this point. My presumption now that if the camper comes in at a heaver weight of 3800kg (2200kg + 1600kg) then I need to go for a C license.

    Any advice appreciated.

    Thanks,
    JP


  • #666
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    jpogorman wrote: »
    Hi,

    I failed my DOE yesterday due to my back axel being overweight. The mechanic suggested getting the vehicle weighed and re-plated. He mentioned that 2200kg for the back axel and 1600kg for the front axel should do it. I was interested why it had previously passed the DOE and he mentioned legislation changes. A couple of questions if anyone has some answers?
    1) Has anyone needed to get a camper re-plated? I have a 1996 Fiat Burstner so I would have expected that the plate would be accurate from day one.
    2) Has anyone specifics on any legislation changes in the last 18 months?
    3) I've been working off the assumption that a standard B license (up to 3500kg) has covered me to date. The camper had a 3500kg unladen weight up to this point. My presumption now that if the camper comes in at a heaver weight of 3800kg (2200kg + 1600kg) then I need to go for a C license.

    Any advice appreciated.

    Thanks,
    JP

    First, what is the plated weight of axle 2 (the back axle).
    Can you move some of your 'stuff' forward so its weight is more on axle 1 (front axle).
    What are the actual axle weights at the moment and what is the total weight.

    You might be able to become legal by leaving unnecessary stuff at home and/or moving it to a different part of the vehicle.

    Once you know your figures have a look at the SV Tech website. They can also advise on the feasibility of uprating the weights within the technical capabilities of the vehicle, you will need the VIN (chassis number) when talking to them.

    As a last resort you could carry the stuff which is causing the camper to be overweight in a small trailer. One of the parameters allowed on a car licence is the towing of a trailer behind a vehicle up to 3,500kg GVW so long as the gross weight of the trailer does not exceed 750Kg. This in effect gives a maximum combined weight of 4,250kg.

    If you don't fancy hassle associated with trying to park and reverse with a trailer have a look HERE


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  • #667
    Pjwal
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Pjwal


    its not really a change in legislation but much stricter inforcement of what was already there which is beyond the testers control. the 3500kg would refer to gross vehicle weight and the unladen weight which is the weight the mh plus its load can weight in at. it can be possible for each individual axle weight to added together and reach a figure much higher then 3500kg and the overall gross weight still be kept at 3500. theremay be a second plate or sticker fitted somewhere on the mh by the body builder showing higher weights this is common. if not you should contact fiat Ireland or a burstner dealer who might have a spec sheet with higher weights.failing that nilocs advice to at sv tech s web site should be your next move. it is a common problem but not one that's proving easy to solve for some people.p.s were all your water tanks empty and any other unnessary weight removed form the rear of the mh. and do you know by how many kgs were you overweight


  • #668
    jpogorman
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭jpogorman


    @niloc1951 and @Pjwal. Thanks for replies.
    First, what is the plated weight of axle 2 (the back axle).
    Can you move some of your 'stuff' forward so its weight is more on axle 1 (front axle).
    What are the actual axle weights at the moment and what is the total weight.
    The plate by the engine looks similar to this...
    2800 KG
    KG
    1- 1650 KG
    2- 1750 KG
    its not really a change in legislation but much stricter inforcement of what was already there which is beyond the testers control. the 3500kg would refer to gross vehicle weight and the unladen weight which is the weight the mh plus its load can weight in at. it can be possible for each individual axle weight to added together and reach a figure much higher then 3500kg and the overall gross weight still be kept at 3500. theremay be a second plate or sticker fitted somewhere on the mh by the body builder showing higher weights this is common. if not you should contact fiat Ireland or a burstner dealer who might have a spec sheet with higher weights.failing that nilocs advice to at sv tech s web site should be your next move. it is a common problem but not one that's proving easy to solve for some people.p.s were all your water tanks empty and any other unnessary weight removed form the rear of the mh. and do you know by how many kgs were you overweight
    The water tanks were empty but not all items were removed from the camper van so I can get it lighter. The design of the camper means that it overhangs the back axel a good bit. I'm not sure I can significantly reduce weight here.

    I'll go looking for the exact weight it was over and for an additional internal plate tonight.


  • #669
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    It could be possible to increase the plated weight of axle 2 from 1750 to a higher figure.
    However, tyre size and load rating, type of brakes (disc or drum) and spring capability will all be taken into account.

    It looks like you vehicle has the standard FIAT axle / suspension, if it has, fitting supplementary air suspension Give David Byrne a call could be your answer, assuming the wheels/tyres/brakes are also up to the job.

    If the uprating is possible a new plate with the new weights will be needed and the attached form will need to be completed.


  • #670
    jpogorman
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭jpogorman


    The front axel weight was 1455 kgs and the rear axle 2025 kgs. I found a Burstner branded plate close to the main back door but it didn't have any values printed.


  • #671
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    jpogorman wrote: »
    The front axel weight was 1455 kgs and the rear axle 2025 kgs. I found a Burstner branded plate close to the main back door but it didn't have any values printed.

    That's a 15% overload on the back axle :o
    Was the van fully loaded or will there be more added when heading off on hols or for a weekend :eek:.

    If it were me I would seriously look into getting the load rating of the rear axle increased or buy a trailer and shift a lot of the heavy stuff to it.
    Alternatively I would consider changing for a camper with a bigger payload margin.


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  • #672
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    Can't seem to find the latest fee for the DOE test on the RSA site. Am I looking in the wrong place?

    Last year the fee for Motor Caravans with two axles was €70.86 plus VAT @ 23% = €87.16

    This year the test centre says its €111.16 inc vat. That's an increase of €24 is that correct?

    Is the CRW at your Motor Tax Office an additional €6 or is in now included in the increased price?

    I am finding conflicting info all over the place. Thanks.


  • #673
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    See this document.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Testing/CVT%20test%20fees.pdf

    Which is typically not very self explanatory.

    There was no increase in testing fee but a new Road Safety levy has been added which goes straight to the RSA.

    2 Axle Test fee is €70.86 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy is €6 no VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy = €93.15

    3 Axles Test fee is €88.58 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy is €6 no VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy = €114.95


  • #674
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    nailer8 wrote: »
    See this document.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Testing/CVT%20test%20fees.pdf

    Which is typically not very self explanatory.

    There was no increase in testing fee but a new Road Safety levy has been added which goes straight to the RSA.

    2 Axle Test fee is €70.86 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy is €6 no VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy = €93.15

    3 Axles Test fee is €88.58 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy is €6 no VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy = €114.95

    Thanks for the reply.

    But your calculation is contradicting the info in the link.

    The link mentions
    Full Test Fee * (including Certificate of Roadworthiness (CRW) & Road Safety Levy)
    All fees above are shown exclusive of VAT
    * The full test fee includes a Road Safety Levy which is charged only on full periodic tests

    Motor caravans with two axles €76.86 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy/CRW is €6 but according to the above there IS VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy & CRW = €94.54

    Still no idea where the test centre is getting €111.16 from?:confused:


  • #675
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply.

    But your calculation is contradicting the info in the link.

    No idea what your centre was quoting.
    I operate a test centre. I am 99% certain my figures are correct.

    There is no CRW fee any more, your CRW gets posted to your registered address automatically after you have completed your test.
    The old fee has been incorporated into the new RSA Levy.
    It just happens the Levy for campers is the same value as the old CRW. Other commercials are paying a much larger Levy (e.g. €55 for a truck).

    There is definitely no VAT on the Levy. There was some confusion at the start but the Revenue decided there shouldn't be VAT on a tax.


  • #676
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    nailer8 wrote: »
    No idea what your centre was quoting.
    I operate a test centre. I am 99% certain my figures are correct.

    There is no CRW fee any more, your CRW gets posted to your registered address automatically after you have completed your test.
    The old fee has been incorporated into the new RSA Levy.
    It just happens the Levy for campers is the same value as the old CRW. Other commercials are paying a much larger Levy (e.g. €55 for a truck).

    Ok thanks Nailer8. If you are operating a test centre then I'm sure your figures are correct. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that when I used the figures in your link and calculated them purely on the instructions in the link they were slightly different to yours.

    Also, I never before know that the CRW now gets posted to your registered address. Last year I had to pick it up at the tax office.

    Seems to me the information on the RSA website is out of date and inaccurate (ie the link above).


  • #677
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Another Year.

    Another Test.

    Another Pass.

    My 1986 RomaHome lives to fight another day.

    Whoopeeeeeee:D:D:D:D:D.


  • #678
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    No prob, I dont work in the test centre day to day so i am never 100% certain but checked our system and if i am wrong we are charging our customers the wrong price.

    The RSA info is hard to follow the way they phrase it.
    It is Net of VAT all right but not all of the figure they quote has VAT charged on it.

    In almost every publication they show the new test fee as a complete fee which annoys me because it looks to the customer that our charges have gone up which they haven't. Our test fee has actually gone down €2 per test which goes to the RSA to cover their cost in setting up the new computer system to handle the testing.


  • #679
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Just paid for my test 30 minutes ago. No VAT on the €6 levy. Total for 2 axle camper €93.16


  • #680
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    The definitive answer can be found HERE

    €76.86 + VAT (€17.67) = €94.53

    The above includes the new cert/disc.


  • #681
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    The definitive answer can be found HERE

    €76.86 + VAT (€17.67) = €94.53

    The above includes the new cert/disc.

    And this is the figure I also came up with, €94.53 - but we are wrong!

    For 2 reasons:
    1. In your link above it says Please note that the levy element is not subject to VAT. but it doesnt tell you how much the levy is??? But we established earlier the levy is €6

    So its 2 Axle Test fee is €70.86 + VAT @ 23%
    The Levy is €6 no VAT on this.
    Total Fee inc VAT & Levy = €93.15

    2. Its what Irishgoatman paid today!

    The info on this from official is just terrible. Not one source has 100% accurate information.


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  • #682
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    The plot thickens.

    Niloc1951's link HERE clearly states:

    Levy does not apply to
    Re-tests.
    Any motor caravan tests.
    Enforcement tests

    So why have we to pay it??


  • #683
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    Benbecul97 wrote: »

    So why have we to pay it??

    Effectively we are not.
    Its just the old CRW fee of €6 but it saves a trip to the tax office.
    Works for me!


  • #684
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    My local (?) motor tax office is Castlebar, 110k round trip. I'm happy to pay €6 to save the hassle but as we don't pay a levy on the car test why we are paying it on our camper test I do not know:(.

    Was told that the CRW, disc or whatever, would be with me in 2 or 3 days. I won't hold my breath over that though :).


  • #685
    COCKPHESANT
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭COCKPHESANT


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    Can't seem to find the latest fee for the DOE test on the RSA site. Am I looking in the wrong place?

    Last year the fee for Motor Caravans with two axles was €70.86 plus VAT @ 23% = €87.16

    This year the test centre says its €111.16 inc vat. That's an increase of €24 is that correct?

    Is the CRW at your Motor Tax Office an additional €6 or is in now included in the increased price?

    I am finding conflicting info all over the place. Thanks.

    I paid €111.16 to test a Isuzu Trooper Yesterday.


  • #686
    Pjwal
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Pjwal


    COCKPHESANT wrote: »
    I paid €111.16 to test a Isuzu Trooper Yesterday.



    e111 is correct for a commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight of 3500kg or less. motorhomes are not classed as commercial vehicles and are there for not charged the rsa levy and get tested at lesser price of e95 ish.


  • #687
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    It looks as though we are all in agreement that the figure of €93.16 is correct for a 2 axle camper, so now let's hear from owners of 3 axle campers and get an agreement on that price. The amount paid NOT whatever is quoted on a website. Let's go for facts.

    Then job done.:)


  • #688
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    Pjwal wrote: »
    e111 is correct for a commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight of 3500kg or less. motorhomes are not classed as commercial vehicles and are there for not charged the rsa levy and get tested at lesser price of e95 ish.

    Think there was confusion between a commercial and non-commercial vehicle
    with a gross vehicle weight of 3500kg or less. I was quoted €111.16 but charged €93.16.


  • #689
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Windscreen disc received today, 3 working days after test!.

    Congrats to them, at least something is working correctly:).


  • #690
    Animord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Animord


    I have my DOE on Thursday so this information is useful, I will let you know what they charge, or try to charge.

    I was told that I needed to bring the Registration document (fine) and my drivers licence. Why would they want my drivers licence? Is that normal?


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  • #691
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Don't let them charge you more than €93 and a few coppers, that's the set fee.

    Never heard mention of needing to produce anything other than registration document. But of course, because it's the law, you will have your driving licence with you. :rolleyes:.


  • #692
    Animord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Animord


    Irishgoatman wrote: »
    Don't let them charge you more than €93 and a few coppers, that's the set fee.

    Never heard mention of needing to produce anything other than registration document. But of course, because it's the law, you will have your driving licence with you. :rolleyes:.

    Yep, and I will have it as usual, but it seems a bit big brother. I will ask them when I get there.


  • #693
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    Technically you no longer have to have your registration documents as this is now on the new testing computer system Covis but in practice most test centres like you to bring it because Covis has lots of errors. They should not refuse to test if you don't have it though.

    The test cannot proceed unless who ever is presenting the vehicle has photo id. Drivers licence or passport. There are no exceptions to this as the number of the id and the name must be entered into Covis. It doesn't have to be the registered owner though just who ever brings it in.

    The fees are fixed.


  • #694
    Animord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Animord


    nailer8 wrote: »
    Technically you no longer have to have your registration documents as this is now on the new testing computer system Covis but in practice most test centres like you to bring it because Covis has lots of errors. They should not refuse to test if you don't have it though.

    The test cannot proceed unless who ever is presenting the vehicle has photo id. Drivers licence or passport. There are no exceptions to this as the number of the id and the name must be entered into Covis. It doesn't have to be the registered owner though just who ever brings it in.

    The fees are fixed.

    Fair enough if that is the law. I have never had to produce ID before and I use this centre several times a year for 'proper' commercial vehicles.


  • #695
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    I operate a test centre, but to be honest we don't know why it is required. I also don't know if there is a law which enforces it. All i can be sure of is since October 2013 when Covis went live we haven't been able to perform a test without entering the ID details in the system.

    It has been suggested that it is to help combat social welfare fraud but that seems a bit too organised for ireland.
    Edit. It is in the legislation.
    SI 347 of 2013
    See page 11 Section 21 (e)


  • #696
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    So I'm not too old to learn something new afterall:D.

    Seriously though, I've taken my camper to the same place for the last 5 years without being asked for I.D. so I assume they are just using details that I gave them in the beginning.


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  • #697
    JonMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭JonMac


    How early can the DOE test be done before the due date?


  • #698
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    1 month if you want the same renewal date on the new cert.

    As early as you want if you are happy with a 24 month cert e.g. if you want to sell it with a new CVRT cert when your old one is 12 months old.


  • #699
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    nailer8 wrote: »
    1 month if you want the same renewal date on the new cert.

    As early as you want if you are happy with a 24 month cert e.g. if you want to sell it with a new CVRT cert when your old one is 12 months old.

    What happens if the cert is expired for a full period plus. For example on a vehicle due yearly tests, if the last cert expired say the beginning of April 2013 and the vehicles if being presented for its test late April 2014, over 12 months (365 days) after its last test


  • #700
    nailer8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭nailer8


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    What happens if the cert is expired for a full period plus.

    That is a mine field.
    Assuming we are talking about CV's with a 12 month cert as you mentioned.
    According to the system. Any time up to 1 year late you only get the remainder of the year on the cert. So if you brought in your vehicle 11 months out of date you only get a 1 month cert (Crazy!).

    BUT if it is over 12 months+ late (as you mentioned) you get a 6 month cert. Therefore encouraging anyone coming close to 12 months out of date to wait until they are more than 12 months out of date.
    I have complained about this crazy situation but to no avail.

    To complicate matters further people are ringing up the RSA directly and complaining and getting their certs extended for no apparent reason. (IMO either change the rules or stick to them, don't bend them for people who complain leaving the non complainers to suffer in silence)

    Also worth mentioning the test centre has no discretion re the date on your cert. It comes from the RSA's Covis software system.


  • #701
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    nailer8 wrote: »
    That is a mine field.
    Assuming we are talking about CV's with a 12 month cert as you mentioned.
    According to the system. Any time up to 1 year late you only get the remainder of the year on the cert. So if you brought in your vehicle 11 months out of date you only get a 1 month cert (Crazy!).

    BUT if it is over 12 months+ late (as you mentioned) you get a 6 month cert. Therefore encouraging anyone coming close to 12 months out of date to wait until they are more than 12 months out of date.
    I have complained about this crazy situation but to no avail.

    To complicate matters further people are ringing up the RSA directly and complaining and getting their certs extended for no apparent reason. (IMO either change the rules or stick to them, don't bend them for people who complain leaving the non complainers to suffer in silence)

    Also worth mentioning the test centre has no discretion re the date on your cert. It comes from the RSA's Covis software system.

    I was thinking about MC's (motor caravans) is it the same for them or does 'the system' treat them differently.
    The 30 day bring forward limit as applied to CV's is really out of place for MC's which in our opinion should be treated the same as cars and allowed a 3 months bring forward. It's not as if MC's do a big mileage like CV's
    A person taking a MC foreign for a few months can be really penalised if the test date falls due more than 30 days after his departure.


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