Supplements

A_Sober_Paddy · 18-10-2013 10:56am

RidleyRider wrote: »

Your supp stack must be massive dude?

Why would you say that? All I take is my bcaa's during training, protein shake after training but only sometimes, and creatine everyday...along with my multi, fish oil...not a whole lot really...oh I take craze pre training but that's nearly finished now.

gollywog · 18-10-2013 11:26am

So is the DAA worth a pop at all or should I save my money?

siochain · 18-10-2013 12:57pm

gollywog wrote: »

So is the DAA worth a pop at all or should I save my money?

Whats your current T levels? What do you know about DAA? What happens your natural T production after you stop DAA?
If you are going to take DAA this forum should be that last place you do you research.

Personally I would eat more steak, lift more, and sleep well and if you’re going to invest in supplement maybe something like ZMA might make a marginal difference to your recovery.

A_Sober_Paddy · 18-10-2013 1:04pm

siochain wrote: »

Whats your current T levels? What do you know about DAA? What happens your natural T production after you stop DAA?
If you are going to take DAA this forum should be that last place you do you research.

Personally I would eat more steak, lift more, and sleep well and if you’re going to invest in supplement maybe something like ZMA might make a marginal difference to your recovery.

Haven't zma's claims been shown to have been over stated. As too with the claims of zinc alone boosting test

siochain · 18-10-2013 1:38pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Haven't zma's claims been shown to have been over stated. As too with the claims of zinc alone boosting test

On ZMA it’s more from a personal point of view in that it helps me sleep like a baby which can only be good when training hard. And yes you are correct above normal levels of Zinc has been proved not to increase T or enhance performance. But overall it’s a highly beneficial mineral with studies indicating

It improves depressive disorders
Is essential for normal cell structure and physiology.
Its deficiency causes growth retardation, neuronal degeneration, and immunodeficiency
May help reduce the risk of developing type 2 diabetes

Zinc is also low risk when supplementing if you take care of your copper levels

Magnesium has a whole host of benefits
Deeper sleep
Positive effect on depressive disorders
Energy production
Muscle contraction and relaxation.

......

A_Sober_Paddy · 18-10-2013 1:46pm

siochain wrote: »

On ZMA it’s more from a personal point of view in that it helps me sleep like a baby which can only be good when training hard. And yes you are correct above normal levels of Zinc has been proved not to increase T or enhance performance. But overall it’s a highly beneficial mineral with studies indicating

It improves depressive disorders
Is essential for normal cell structure and physiology.
Its deficiency causes growth retardation, neuronal degeneration, and immunodeficiency
May help reduce the risk of developing type 2 diabetes

Zinc is also low risk when supplementing if you take care of your copper levels

Magnesium has a whole host of benefits
Deeper sleep
Positive effect on depressive disorders
Energy production
Muscle contraction and relaxation.

......

Of course, but were you not mentioning zma instead of daa as a test booster

Oisinjm · 18-10-2013 2:04pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Of course, but were you not mentioning zma instead of daa as a test booster

No what he said was to eat more and sleep more. Sleep more being key. If you're not getting quality sleep every night then don't even bother looking into DAA or other test boosters.

john_cappa · 18-10-2013 2:21pm

I dont see the fuss with DAA. People bang about the 40% increase but fail to understand that that is so little it is negligible.

Normal ranges are 260 -1080 ng/dl as (which corresponds to about 8.8 - 36.7 nmol/l.

Lets say your level is 18nmol/l. So just a fraction below average. DAA use at best will result in 40% increase meaning you end up with 25nmol/l. Just a little over average and well within normal ranges of all the people around you.

Resultant difference= little.

siochain · 18-10-2013 2:42pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Of course, but were you not mentioning zma instead of daa as a test booster

no

siochain wrote: »

ZMA might make a marginal difference to your recovery.

gollywog · 18-10-2013 2:56pm

I'm taking ZMA and I do notice I get a better quality of sleep, so I'll keep taking them. I'm gonna forget bout DAA

Alf Veedersane · 18-10-2013 3:02pm

Anyone get the crazy dreams on ZMA?

siochain · 18-10-2013 3:03pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Anyone get the crazy dreams on ZMA?

and WOOD :P

gollywog · 18-10-2013 3:32pm

siochain wrote: »

and WOOD :P

Really?? Ha

ColmH81 · 18-10-2013 7:32pm

Anyone ever find PWOs give a laxative effect..... Ha

SRFC · 19-10-2013 3:41am

What site is cheapest for Gold standard Protein please?

DL Saint · 20-10-2013 11:05pm

DAA works great for me, I feel great when taking it and the libido is through the roof. I have also found I am noticeably fuller and more vascular when I am taking it. Personally I think it is a nice, cheap and useful supplement...

ColmH81 · 21-10-2013 7:42am

DL Saint wrote: »

DAA works great for me, I feel great when taking it and the libido is through the roof. I have also found I am noticeably fuller and more vascular when I am taking it. Personally I think it is a nice, cheap and useful supplement...

What's "DAA"?

Dermighty · 21-10-2013 7:43am

ColmH81 wrote: »

What's "DAA"?

D-Aspartic acid afaik, or something like that.

KTRIC · 21-10-2013 11:37am

DL Saint wrote: »

DAA works great for me, I feel great when taking it and the libido is through the roof. I have also found I am noticeably fuller and more vascular when I am taking it. Personally I think it is a nice, cheap and useful supplement...

Since I've started talking it I've noticed I'm not getting any DOMS, at all !!

Also in the space of a week, my body fat has dropped 1.5 % as well so I'm well chuffed with the results so far.

Paddywiggum · 21-10-2013 1:18pm

hey lads,

if you really want to get the most out of your DAA then try running it with an AI - aromatase inhibitor

it limits estrogen production.

when your testosterone raises through using something like DAA, so does your estrogen - your body likes to keep things balanced.

try PES Erase or USM Eradicate for 4 weeks.

neither DAA or these AI supplements are steroids, or illegal in any way.

i would highly recommend this combo.

KTRIC · 21-10-2013 2:19pm

Paddywiggum wrote: »

hey lads,

if you really want to get the most out of your DAA then try running it with an AI - aromatase inhibitor

it limits estrogen production.

when your testosterone raises through using something like DAA, so does your estrogen - your body likes to keep things balanced.

try PES Erase or USM Eradicate for 4 weeks.

neither DAA or these AI supplements are steroids, or illegal in any way.

i would highly recommend this combo.

I'm going to add them to my stack for next month

Mr. Rager · 21-10-2013 4:23pm

Paddywiggum wrote: »

hey lads,

if you really want to get the most out of your DAA then try running it with an AI - aromatase inhibitor

it limits estrogen production.

when your testosterone raises through using something like DAA, so does your estrogen - your body likes to keep things balanced.

try PES Erase or USM Eradicate for 4 weeks.

neither DAA or these AI supplements are steroids, or illegal in any way.

i would highly recommend this combo.

Where could I buy one of these AI supplements?

Paddywiggum · 21-10-2013 4:58pm

Mr. Rager wrote: »

Where could I buy one of these AI supplements?

amazon or ebay

siblers · 24-10-2013 10:35am

Have any of you guys used parcel motel for ordering whey protein? Bit worried that i'll order it and it wont fit in the units. Myprotein always use really big boxes.

A_Sober_Paddy · 24-10-2013 10:41am

siblers wrote: »

Have any of you guys used parcel motel for ordering whey protein? Bit worried that i'll order it and it wont fit in the units. Myprotein always use really big boxes.

I've the same concern with bulkpowders...

Thephantomsmask · 24-10-2013 12:34pm

I've used it for myprotein, theproteinworks and go nutrition with no problems. Usually I'd have 4/5kg of whey and a few 1kg bags of bcaa or creatine. The largest size locker is pretty big tbf.

runawaybishop · 24-10-2013 12:38pm

The largest Parcel Motel locker size is 41 X 38 X 64 cm. The maximum weight is 10kgs.

^^ the last delivery i got woudlnt have fitted in those dimensions but maybe you can request that they ship within those dimensions?

siblers · 24-10-2013 2:36pm

Yeah, its worth asking alright. Thanks for the replies. Turns out Bulkpowders is no cheaper when delivering to Antrim than delivering to the rest of Ireland.
I've a referral code as well for BulkPowders, if anyone wants it.

conzy · 24-10-2013 3:08pm

If a parcel doesn't fit in the "motel" you can collect it from the nearest nightline depot and you wont be charged extra so long as it weighs less than 35kg.

You can also have it delivered for €10.50

More info here

gollywog · 24-10-2013 5:02pm

This probably been asked a lot already but I'm in the market for whey isolate before the vat is added on the 1st. I'm currently using scitec nutrition but fancy a change as I'm not too bothered with the taste.

Any recommendations??

Thanks,
P

nignag75 · 24-10-2013 5:06pm

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/protein-supplements/whey-protein/pure-whey-isolate-90.html my referral code for 5 pound off your first order if your itntrested(shipping to ireland fairly fast,got my most recent order in two days) is DH52732

john_cappa · 24-10-2013 5:23pm

Why isolate?

nignag75 · 24-10-2013 5:27pm

john_cappa wrote: »

Why isolate?

I use isolate as whey concentrate gives me horrible gas

gollywog · 24-10-2013 5:45pm

john_cappa wrote: »

Why isolate?

To be honest i'm just trying it for a while to see if I notice a difference.

That and I'm an advertisers wet dream....!

john_cappa · 24-10-2013 10:38pm

gollywog wrote: »

To be honest i'm just trying it for a while to see if I notice a difference.

That and I'm an advertisers wet dream....!

Unless you have lactose issues as per nignag75 above then save your money.

A_Sober_Paddy · 24-10-2013 11:40pm

john_cappa wrote: »

Unless you have lactose issues as per nignag75 above then save your money.

well on bulkpowders the isolate works out much better value per gram of protein per 100 grams of powder, something like 4 cent per 10 grams of protein cheaper when you get isolate instead of concentrate

john_cappa · 25-10-2013 8:54am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

well on bulkpowders the isolate works out much better value per gram of protein per 100 grams of powder, something like 4 cent per 10 grams of protein cheaper when you get isolate instead of concentrate

If this was true then it would be a good idea.

Had a glance though and it's not.

5kg flavoured whey is 57.40(GBP) for 82%

5kg flavoured isolate is 79.50(GBP) for 90%

I will level some else work it out but the isolate is far more expensive from even a glance per gram.

KTRIC · 25-10-2013 9:49am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

well on bulkpowders the isolate works out much better value per gram of protein per 100 grams of powder, something like 4 cent per 10 grams of protein cheaper when you get isolate instead of concentrate

The only thing it'll work out is your wallet

A_Sober_Paddy · 25-10-2013 11:04am

john_cappa wrote: »

If this was true then it would be a good idea.

Had a glance though and it's not.

5kg flavoured whey is 57.40(GBP) for 82%

5kg flavoured isolate is 79.50(GBP) for 90%

I will level some else work it out but the isolate is far more expensive from even a glance per gram.

Its actually more like 77.78% for most flavours and closer to 91% in the isolate

john_cappa · 25-10-2013 11:26am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Its actually more like 77.78% for most flavours and closer to 91% in the isolate

Even it that was true it is still way more expensive.

Both COAs on site are on a dry basis so if the 82% drops to 78-80 when taking account of moisture then do does the isolate going from 92% to 88-90.

If you wish to continue being pedantic and arguing the point please demonstrate how isolate is cheaper per gram.

A_Sober_Paddy · 25-10-2013 11:58am

john_cappa wrote: »

Even it that was true it is still way more expensive.

Both COAs on site are on a dry basis so if the 82% drops to 78-80 when taking account of moisture then do does the isolate going from 92% to 88-90.

If you wish to continue being pedantic and arguing the point please demonstrate how isolate is cheaper per gram.

I'm taking the dry amount for flavoured on both, if you read the info, it says 82% for unflavoured but if you work out the flavoured amount which is given per 30g serving at 23.2g per 30g = 77.33%

john_cappa · 25-10-2013 9:43pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

I'm taking the dry amount for flavoured on both, if you read the info, it says 82% for unflavoured but if you work out the flavoured amount which is given per 30g serving at 23.2g per 30g = 77.33%

I really shouldnt be wasting my time on this but .....................

So the WPC when the flavouring is added the percentage drops you are saying. They same will also happen to isolate when flavoring is added so what difference. Compared unflavored wpc with unflavoured wpi or compare flavoured wpc with flavoured wpi!

Lets look at unflavoured
WPC is 82% for unflavoured. So 82% of a 5kg bag means you get 4100 grams of protein for a cost of 46.79 or 1.14p per gram or 114p per 100 grams? ok

WPI is 91.8% protein (from the COA) meaning 5kg gives you 4590 grams of protein for a cost of 77.49 or 1.68p per gram or 168p per 100 grams!

So WPC is 114p per 100
and WPI is 168p per 100.

Thats a massive difference in cost.

Now just to entertain you lets look at the flavoured.

Flavoured
WPC flav= 77% you say (and i checked you to be correct) so 5 kg gets you 3850 grams for a cost of 57.19 or 1.48p per gram or 148p per 100 grams

WPI flav is 90% so 5kg gets you 4500 g protein for a cost of 79.49 or 1.76p per gram or 176p per 100 grams.

So WPC flav is 148p per 100 grams
and WPI is 176p per 100 grams.

So what I have shown here pretty much backs up what I said here.....

john_cappa wrote: »

Unless you have lactose issues as per nignag75 above then save your money.

And demonstrates that this post is completely false.

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

well on bulkpowders the isolate works out much better value per gram of protein per 100 grams of powder, something like 4 cent per 10 grams of protein cheaper when you get isolate instead of concentrate

So stop rabbiting on about percentages and offer some factual information.

Hanley · 25-10-2013 9:50pm

Spent €100 on pre workouts just there.

ON Amino Energy
ON Pre
Musclepharm Assault

Gonna mix em all together and drink em.

john_cappa · 25-10-2013 9:51pm

Hanley wrote: »

Spent €100 on pre workouts just there.

ON Amino Energy
ON Pre
Musclepharm Assault

Gonna mix em all together and drink em.

stay near the bathroom!

RidleyRider · 25-10-2013 10:59pm

Hanley wrote: »

Spent €100 on pre workouts just there.

ON Amino Energy
ON Pre
Musclepharm Assault

Gonna mix em all together and drink em.

Have you not learned from last nights out burst of pre workouts?:P

hairyslug · 28-10-2013 10:06am

Not sure if this is the right place, I've taken my preworkout, only problem now is that the gym doesn't open till 10, can I top up or do I just wait it out and go into the gym without it

mufcboy1999 · 28-10-2013 11:33am

Hilarious !

ColmH81 · 28-10-2013 11:52am

hairyslug wrote: »

Not sure if this is the right place, I've taken my preworkout, only problem now is that the gym doesn't open till 10, can I top up or do I just wait it out and go into the gym without it

Jesus don't top up whatever you do... If you read the labels it'll normally say don't exceed 2 scoops within 24hrs..

Just suck it up..

gollywog · 28-10-2013 12:24pm

Sorry again guys,

Making an order tomorrow and need a good pre workout. I'm not at all caffeine sensitive. I was reading up on pro supps Mr Hyde. Gets great reviews. Has anybody on here tried it??

hairyslug · 28-10-2013 2:15pm

ColmH81 wrote: »

Jesus don't top up whatever you do... If you read the labels it'll normally say don't exceed 2 scoops within 24hrs..

Just suck it up..

Yeah sucked it up, it was in interesting wait for an hour

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