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Limerick graffiti cover up mystery

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    #62
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    So you what.....tagged all your own property ? :rolleyes:

    yes, why did you hear me say differently?


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    #63
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    MissHoneyBun wrote: »
    Hang on, let me get this straight -graffiti at the skatepark is just vandalism but pictures of rugby players are 'pretty cool murals' -are you havin a laugh?

    Never said that.

    My biggest objection is to the disgraceful scrawled "tagging" and "Jimmy woz here" bull****.

    If the council OK'd graffiti within a particular location / context like the skatepark, where it didn't drag the area down or make it look derelict, then that's fine by me.
    Stab*City wrote: »
    yes, why did you hear me say differently?

    If this is indeed the case, then fair enough......your comment about how your neighbours would react seemed to imply differently; but if you say that's all that you tagged, then fair enough.


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    #64
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    your comment about how your neighbours would react seemed to imply differently; but if you say that's all that you tagged, then fair enough.

    This comment is it:
    Stab*City wrote: »
    Thats a good point though i wonder what would happen if i took a spray can to my own house.. what would the neighbours say then.. (total imaginary scenario before anyone jumps down my throat)..

    (total imaginary scenario before anyone jumps down my throat)


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    #65
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Stab*City wrote: »
    This comment is it:



    (total imaginary scenario before anyone jumps down my throat)

    Which I took to mean that you hadn't done this [ to your own property ] before, despite being a "former tagger".

    If I interpreted wrong, then my apologies, but the two statements together do imply that your previous tagging was not done on your own property.


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    #66
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Which I took to mean that you hadn't done this [ to your own property ] before, despite being a "former tagger".

    Hey hey your actually right about something..
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    If I interpreted wrong, then my apologies, but the two statements together do imply that your previous tagging was not done on your own property.

    So in actual fact you interpreted correct, you just twisted it to suit you..

    How does the statement ex tagger & totally imaginary scenario mean that go around causing criminal damage..

    ever heard of a black book? a computer? a schoolbag? a bit of paper for gods sake!!

    back on topic i went for a trip to the dock road to see the walls now and what a joke.. its obvious the people who painted over the artwork were just looking for attention as if they had cared about actually covering the artwork they would have used a darker paint cuz now you can still see the graff its just all beige!!


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    #67
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Stab*City wrote: »
    Hey hey your actually right about something..

    So in actual fact you interpreted correct, you just twisted it to suit you..

    How does the statement ex tagger & totally imaginary scenario mean that go around causing criminal damage..

    OK, you've totally confused me now.

    You've either defaced other people's property or you haven't.

    You suggested that the "imaginary scenario" would be the first time defacing your own property, therefore it's not a "twist" to deduce that the property that you previously defaced wasn't your own.


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    #68
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    You're entitled to, if you want, however you are not entitled to deface other people's property. Tag away in your own backyard, or buy a derelict site and work away to your heart's content there.

    If "taggers" want to tag their own property, then fire away.
    Stab*City wrote: »
    Thats a good point though i wonder what would happen if i took a spray can to my own house.. what would the neighbours say then.. (total imaginary scenario before anyone jumps down my throat)..
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    OK, you've totally confused me now.

    You've either defaced other people's property or you haven't.

    You suggested that the "imaginary scenario" would be the first time defacing your own property, therefore it's not a "twist" to deduce that the property that you previously defaced wasn't your own.

    I suggested if i painted my house with tags what would the neighbours say. I think if anybody covered there house in graff (their property of course) the neighbours will still have something to say.. i then confirmed that this was a fantasy.. TWICE


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    #69
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    His point is that you say you are an ex-tagger, but you speculate on the consequences of tagging your own house. This leads him to believe that your previous tagging was not done on your own property.

    But you also say you would never defend taggers who deface the property of others.

    So if you didn't tag your own property, and won't tag the property of others, where did you do your tagging?


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    #70
    Insect Overlord
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    osarusan wrote: »
    His point is that you say you are an ex-tagger, but you speculate on the consequences of tagging your own house. This leads him to believe that your previous tagging was not done on your own property.

    But you also say you would never defend taggers who deface the property of others.

    So if you didn't tag your own property, and won't tag the property of others, where did you do your tagging?


    Honestly, does anybody around here ever read posts in full? The guy explained himself hours ago.
    Stab*City wrote: »
    ever heard of a black book? a computer? a schoolbag? a bit of paper for gods sake!!


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    #71
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    Pfft, that's no tagging at all. Tagging refers to the spraying of graffiti. Putting marker on your schoolbag is doodling at best.


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    #72
    osarusan
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    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Honestly, does anybody around here ever read posts in full? The guy explained himself hours ago.

    In my defence, I read his post, but since he's explained earlier that the main point of tagging is to get your name in as many places as possible, I thought it was pretty unlikely that his tagging consisted of just writing his name on his books and school bag.


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    #73
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Nockz wrote: »
    Pfft, that's no tagging at all. Tagging refers to the spraying of graffiti. Putting marker on your schoolbag is doodling at best.


    A tag is a signature nothing else.. its the means by which you convey it that makes you a criminal or not.. as for being a doodler all taggers are..

    Some examples of "doodling" without walls:


    http://vimeo.com/12547619

    these artworks all began as a doodle.. on a bag or a black book or on your hand or whatever.. the point being not every graf artist is a criminal.. its 2010 theres alot more mediums out there than walls..


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    #74
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    osarusan wrote: »
    In my defence, I read his post, but since he's explained earlier that the main point of tagging is to get your name in as many places as possible, I thought it was pretty unlikely that his tagging consisted of just writing his name on his books and school bag.

    You mean you assumed i was a criminal..


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    #75
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    Stab*City wrote: »
    A tag is a signature nothing else.. its the means by which you convey it that makes you a criminal or not.. as for being a doodler all taggers are..

    Some examples of "doodling" without walls:


    http://vimeo.com/12547619

    these artworks all began as a doodle.. on a bag or a black book or on your hand or whatever.. the point being not every graf artist is a criminal.. its 2010 theres alot more mediums out there than walls..
    Tagging is a signature yes... but in the context of graffiti. Why on earth would you feel that it is necessary to bring up some benine context it has in the discussion of graffiti via spraypainting? You said you were an ex-tager. That, in this discussion, should only mean you have taged with spraypaint.

    I'm all for art, no one is disagreeing with that dude. Pretty much everyone here is simply saying "Graffiti by the skate park and other designated areas? Yes yes yes. Silly tagging and graffiti where there should not be graffiti? No no no." Don't take this as an insult to your artistic nature. Take it simply as it is, a thread about the incident by the skate park.

    Athlunkard Bridge out by Corbally used to have a few tags on it. The bride looked years old and dirty. Then the bridge got a fantastic coat of paint. Within a day there were tags sprining up on it. I shake my head and feel sorry for the people that had to paint that bridge.

    What does this show? It shows you should graffiti where you are allowed to :mad:


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    #76
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Nockz wrote: »
    Tagging is a signature yes... but in the context of graffiti. Why on earth would you feel that it is necessary to bring up some benine context it has in the discussion of graffiti via spraypainting? You said you were an ex-tager. That, in this discussion, should only mean you have taged with spraypaint.

    Because i was accussed of breaking the law and i had to explain not every guy who is into graf breaks the law.. now again for those that didnt hear it I DONT SPRAY WALLS. end of like..

    As for the rest of your comment i agree it would be good to have it in a designated area..


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    #77
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Stab*City wrote: »
    its 2010 theres alot more mediums out there than walls..

    You said that you were an ex- tagger, so what's available in 2010 is irrelevant (unless you only gave it up last month or something)

    As for books, etc, I've doodled and - ahem - "tagged" my own, but I certainly wouldn't have posted that I was ever a "tagger" in a thread about graffiti, because that's a completely different context.
    Stab*City wrote: »
    A tag is a signature nothing else

    I'm off to tag a cheque, so..... :rolleyes:


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    #78
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    You said that you were an ex- tagger, so what's available in 2010 is irrelevant (unless you only gave it up last month or something)

    As for books, etc, I've doodled and - ahem - "tagged" my own, but I certainly wouldn't have posted that I was ever a "tagger" in a thread about graffiti, because that's a completely different context.

    Whats available in 2010 was there in 2009, 2008,2007,2006,2005 and so on.. i was into writing my name is a graffiti style.. i have pages and pages and pages of my name scribbled/tagged in a F**KING BLACK BOOK!! I said i liked looking at it once it had style.. The extent of my tagging is kept to my black book and my pc..


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I'm off to tag a cheque, so..... :rolleyes:

    Thank god...:)

    So has anymore been heard about the guys who painted the walls beige?


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    #79
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Stab*City wrote: »
    The extent of my tagging is kept to my black book and my pc..

    Fair enough. I don't think many would have referred to that as tagging, hence the confusion.
    Stab*City wrote: »
    So has anymore been heard about the guys who painted the walls beige?

    Good question :)


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    #80
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Fair enough. I don't think many would have referred to that as tagging, hence the confusion.



    Good question :)

    Those walls look pretty ugly now.. and in my opinion alot worse than the proper artwork that was on the dock road..


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    #81
    misterypainter
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    There should be an article in the Limerick Post tomo with hopefully some correct details of whats being going on....

    I will post a detailed blog with my version of the events.

    Looking forward to a better, tidier and more prosperous Limerick.

    Rgds

    MP


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    #82
    misterypainter
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    Stab*City wrote: »
    Those walls look pretty ugly now.. and in my opinion alot worse than the proper artwork that was on the dock road..



    Maybe someday you'll find out about the beige... there's a perfectly good reason.....

    How's a light grey next time??

    MP


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    #83
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    "What a twist!"


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    #84
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    misterypainter wrote: »
    Maybe someday you'll find out about the beige... there's a perfectly good reason.....

    How's a light grey next time??

    MP


    Whats there to find out its an ugly colour..


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    #85
    Itsdacraic
    Registered Users Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    This is sensational.

    I was a tagger myself. Quite an accomplished one.
    I once went a whole lunch at primary school without getting tagged.


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    #86
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    This is sensational.

    I was a tagger myself. Quite an accomplished one.
    I once went a whole lunch at primary school without getting tagged.

    lol:D


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    #87
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    misterypainter wrote: »
    There should be an article in the Limerick Post tomo with hopefully some correct details of whats being going on....

    I will post a detailed blog with my version of the events.

    Looking forward to a better, tidier and more prosperous Limerick.

    Rgds

    MP

    Dont tell me your next in line for mayor?!?!??


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    #88
    misterypainter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭misterypainter


    munstergirl wrote: »
    Page 6 limerick post.
    3 men armed with paint have been going around city covering up all the graffiti. They have been telling people they are from limerick city council but they are not.
    So far they have done skateboard park + the spot on dock road.
    Well done mystery men.

    Thanks for that and just to clarify a few inaccuracies in the Limerick Post.

    The report of the painters being "armed" with paintbrushes, I would have used equiped.


    No body was told anybody that the painters were from the council and did not talk to anybody at the skate park, 3 youths approached the painters in the spot and didn't discuss anything with them, they were told the painters were there to do a job and talk to the boss.

    I would assume the youths relayed the council as it was an easy answer and would add an element to the story.

    All of the spot was painted the first time as there was a very limited amout of graffiti art which had not already been de faced by other tagging or graffiti.

    The neighbouring business signs were also cleaned and tagging painted over. The development sign for the spot had tagging and graffiti painted over.

    The electrical boxes were re painted.

    The local Limerick Search and Rescue sign also had been tagged and vandalised which we take particular offence to considering they are a voluntary organisation and risk their lives for others.

    Only the outside wall of the skate park was painted which had racial and offensive on it. At no time did any painter enter or paint anything in the park. Litter was also removed from the outside of the park.

    The spot was then again painted at a later date. Graffiti and tagging which was the same as that to town and local neighbourhoods was painted over.

    Artistic art and graffit WAS left untouched on this occassion where they had not tagged or vandalised the city.

    The spot was again recently repainted with similar effect to the above 2 lines.

    The wall of the skate part was repainted, again no painters entered the park.

    Peoples idea that murials are left in some cases do work but the murial of Paul O'Connell and Petere Stringer was graffiti'd and tagged at the spot. How much of a negative effect does the outside of the spot have on the thousands of rugby supporters passing through the dock road for match's.

    In many cases its not about art but vandalism and ego's amoungst peers which cannot be excused and this is what will continue to remove from the city.

    We have all better things to be doing than painting over people's graffiti, we understand that people want to graffiti and express themselves, however what about the negative effect this is having on the city.

    What about the hard work that people are doing to survive the recession and try and progress and create employment. The super market that recently opened in the brown brick building by the side of Arthurs Quay was tagged and vandalised the first week they opened after the spending thousands re doing the building which had been derelict for years.

    In many cases business and premise owners don't have the ability or resources to remove graffiti or tagging from their buildings.

    We have no intention of painting over graffitti or art that is in the skate park or the spot as long as its not the same people that are tagging, graffiting or vandalising the city.

    We have done many other areas, motorways, estates and concentrate on the city centre.

    Hope this clears up some issues and some misconceptions.

    Best Regards and looking forward to a better, brighter and cleaner city, which will benefit everybody, including the taggers some day.

    All of the above are facts, and only facts, if were unsure about something we don't say it.

    MP. - Were here for a long time, not a good time!!

    PS nearly forgot to the most positive person on boards...... We won't be running for mayor and its not beige, its a mix of recycled paints we use so maybe the next batch we make will be more to your liking.


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    #89
    Insect Overlord
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    If you are not from the council, then what authority have you to paint over property that does not belong to you?


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    #90
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    If you are not from the council, then what authority have you to paint over property that does not belong to you?

    The same authority scumbags tag their shite on walls etc


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    #91
    Stab*City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    misterypainter wrote: »
    Thanks for that and just to clarify a few inaccuracies in the Limerick Post.

    The report of the painters being "armed" with paintbrushes, I would have used equiped.


    No body was told anybody that the painters were from the council and did not talk to anybody at the skate park, 3 youths approached the painters in the spot and didn't discuss anything with them, they were told the painters were there to do a job and talk to the boss.

    I would assume the youths relayed the council as it was an easy answer and would add an element to the story.

    All of the spot was painted the first time as there was a very limited amout of graffiti art which had not already been de faced by other tagging or graffiti.

    The neighbouring business signs were also cleaned and tagging painted over. The development sign for the spot had tagging and graffiti painted over.

    The electrical boxes were re painted.

    The local Limerick Search and Rescue sign also had been tagged and vandalised which we take particular offence to considering they are a voluntary organisation and risk their lives for others.

    Only the outside wall of the skate park was painted which had racial and offensive on it. At no time did any painter enter or paint anything in the park. Litter was also removed from the outside of the park.

    The spot was then again painted at a later date. Graffiti and tagging which was the same as that to town and local neighbourhoods was painted over.

    Artistic art and graffit WAS left untouched on this occassion where they had not tagged or vandalised the city.

    The spot was again recently repainted with similar effect to the above 2 lines.

    The wall of the skate part was repainted, again no painters entered the park.

    Peoples idea that murials are left in some cases do work but the murial of Paul O'Connell and Petere Stringer was graffiti'd and tagged at the spot. How much of a negative effect does the outside of the spot have on the thousands of rugby supporters passing through the dock road for match's.

    In many cases its not about art but vandalism and ego's amoungst peers which cannot be excused and this is what will continue to remove from the city.

    We have all better things to be doing than painting over people's graffiti, we understand that people want to graffiti and express themselves, however what about the negative effect this is having on the city.

    What about the hard work that people are doing to survive the recession and try and progress and create employment. The super market that recently opened in the brown brick building by the side of Arthurs Quay was tagged and vandalised the first week they opened after the spending thousands re doing the building which had been derelict for years.

    In many cases business and premise owners don't have the ability or resources to remove graffiti or tagging from their buildings.

    We have no intention of painting over graffitti or art that is in the skate park or the spot as long as its not the same people that are tagging, graffiting or vandalising the city.

    We have done many other areas, motorways, estates and concentrate on the city centre.

    Hope this clears up some issues and some misconceptions.

    Best Regards and looking forward to a better, brighter and cleaner city, which will benefit everybody, including the taggers some day.

    All of the above are facts, and only facts, if were unsure about something we don't say it.

    MP. - Were here for a long time, not a good time!!

    PS nearly forgot to the most positive person on boards...... We won't be running for mayor and its not beige, its a mix of recycled paints we use so maybe the next batch we make will be more to your liking.


    Utter shi*e you my friend are as much a vandal as you perceive them to be.. If you want a better, brighter and cleaner city next on your agenda should be filling in potholes.. If i hear of you doing something like that ill swallow my words untill then your a bigger attention seeker than the kids that sprayed the walls..


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