DoE testing - The Last Word

Pjwal · 26-03-2012 12:18pm

clionaricho wrote: »

So I had my camper for test on Friday (coincedently the same day that they received instruction from the RSA) regarding the weight. Anyway my plate had been altered as in stamped over. So here are my questions :

It was obvioulsy changed so that the VRT amount paid was lower??

So basically in order for me to drive it on a B licence I would prefer if it was under 3500 tonne. But I am wondering about the implications of this, would I now be liable for the additional VRT? If so would it be much ? Am I better emptying the van and so getting it below the 3500 tonne weight ?

Also I am in the South Dublin area and I really am not clear as to what is expected of me to get this problem rectified. Mine is a Peugeot Hobby, so basically am I expected to find a Peugeot garage and ask them to agree with the weight from a weigh bridge ?

Thanks for all advice as I need to get this sorted as quick as possible.

this is the bit that rsa dont understand, and that is that people not in the mechanical or transport business dont understan what all this weight gargen means,and that is not me have a go at you as its proberly not something youve ever had to worry about,it should be the rsa sorting it.
rant over.
no i am afraid the weight plate is to do with the total weight the vehicle can weigh when it is loaded and you weighing on a weigh bridge will only tell what weight it sitting at right now and wont change what mr peugeot stated it could carry originaly. if you can ask your peugeot dealer or contact mcgowens(peugeot ireland) if they can send you the vehicle spec sheet that would have the original gross vehicle weight and axle gross weights on it, and take this to you test centre and they should be able to sort it from there, but when you ring the dealer or mcgowens have the full chassis no. to hand as they may need to work off because if the van was not originaly built for local market, they may need it.
i hope this is a help.

cipro 55 · 26-03-2012 10:10pm

It was obvioulsy changed so that the VRT amount paid was lower??

So basically in order for me to drive it on a B licence I would prefer if it was under 3500 tonne. But I am wondering about the implications of this, would I now be liable for the additional VRT? If so would it be much ? Am I better emptying the van and so getting it below the 3500 tonne weight ?

The weight for no vrt was over 3000kg so you will have no problem there.

Pjwal · 27-03-2012 12:29am

cipro 55 wrote: »

It was obvioulsy changed so that the VRT amount paid was lower??

So basically in order for me to drive it on a B licence I would prefer if it was under 3500 tonne. But I am wondering about the implications of this, would I now be liable for the additional VRT? If so would it be much ? Am I better emptying the van and so getting it below the 3500 tonne weight ?

The weight for no vrt was over 3000kg so you will have no problem there.

Customs are not linked to the test centres so they won't know about. If the original weights can still be seen on vin plate, then you get it tested on them weights, but only if the van weighs in at under them weights on the brake tester in the test center. I asked john forde in the rsa today if that was acceptable, and he said it was.

vinniem · 27-03-2012 9:06am

Got mine tested 2/3/12 and is plated as 3850kg, needed two testers as one guy could only test up to 3500kg and the other guy over 3500kg :-) DGVW on cert is 3850kg with no problems. Now here's the thing, exchanged for certificate of Roadworthiness at MTO last week (Friend done it for me) they charged €13 and only gave 1 year as date of expiry on cert!! This is not correct?

Pjwal · 27-03-2012 9:45am

vinniem wrote: »

Got mine tested 2/3/12 and is plated as 3850kg, needed two testers as one guy could only test up to 3500kg and the other guy over 3500kg :-) DGVW on cert is 3850kg with no problems. Now here's the thing, exchanged for certificate of Roadworthiness at MTO last week (Friend done it for me) they charged €13 and only gave 1 year as date of expiry on cert!! This is not correct?

ah yes, if you mh is less then 10 years old, the cert is valid for 2 years, even tho it states that expires in 1 year, this is because the mto have not changed its soft wear to suit a two year cert, but the gaurds will accept it as a two year cert, but i dont know how you will fair out internationaly

niloc1951 · 27-03-2012 10:23am

Nobody has mentioned the official GVW recorded at F.1 on the RF101 (log book in 'old money').

What part does that play in the process or is it irrelevant and the plate is 'yer only man'

clionaricho · 27-03-2012 10:25am

THanks Pjwal and Cipro for the advice. I rang the RSA myself too and they didnt have a clue what I was meant to do....how Oirish!!!
So I think I go to the Peugeot garage and see if I can get an original cert from them and then get a new manufacturer plate too. Anyway the RSA actually sent me a list where I can get this done if anyone wants me to send it to them
THe other thing that I forgot to mention was that I bought beam benders and going on advice here on Boards and also I rang a test centre and asked would they fit them for me. But when I got the test done, he told me that he wasnt allowed to fit them for me.

clionaricho · 27-03-2012 10:27am

Niloc I asked my tester that and he said there is no weight in the logbook only on the plate, nor was it on the Engineeers report that you need to get your insurance.

Malta1 · 27-03-2012 12:07pm

Hi Guys

Am I supposed to carry the cert issued by the MTO on the van for inspection at roadside?

Im sure the answer is contained on this thread somewhere......its it now 24 pages long :eek:

Pjwal · 27-03-2012 12:46pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

Nobody has mentioned the official GVW recorded at F.1 on the RF101 (log book in 'old money').

What part does that play in the process or is it irrelevant and the plate is 'yer only man'

ya, it is fairly irrelevant, it regularly has the wrong gvw on it or it has no weight on. the vin plate is yer only man. the info on the rf101 is what the customs boys put on it and the gvw didnt really have a bearing on vrt.
but with anything imported theese days, the correct info is supposed to be entered, but that is done by the nct lads now.

Irishgoatman · 27-03-2012 1:42pm

Malta1 wrote: »

Hi Guys

Am I supposed to carry the cert issued by the MTO on the van for inspection at roadside?

Im sure the answer is contained on this thread somewhere......its it now 24 pages long :eek:

Yes you are supposed to keep it with the camper to produce on demand.
If not with you, you will be given a date by which to produce it at a garda station of your choice.

I tuck mine behind the tax or insurance disc. Secure enough so that it doesn't blow away but nice and handy. Or keep it with your driving licence because, by law, you have to have that with you when driving.

RSA hope to have a disc system in operation by next year.

Pjwal · 27-03-2012 3:54pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Yes you are supposed to keep it with the camper to produce on demand.
If not with you, you will be given a date by which to produce it at a garda station of your choice.

I tuck mine behind the tax or insurance disc. Secure enough so that it doesn't blow away but nice and handy. Or keep it with your driving licence because, by law, you have to have that with you when driving.

RSA hope to have a disc system in operation by next year.

a lot of commercial owners would disagree with that answer,very few of them carry them on the vehicle, usual practice is to carry a copy and file the original, i do some part time truck and coach driveing and none of the people i work for keep original on the vehicle,and i did the transport managers cpc coarse 5 years ago, and it was not a law to carry it at that time

Irishgoatman · 27-03-2012 4:13pm

Pjwal wrote: »

a lot of commercial owners would disagree with that answer,very few of them carry them on the vehicle, usual practice is to carry a copy and file the original, i do some part time truck and coach driveing and none of the people i work for keep original on the vehicle,and i did the transport managers cpc coarse 5 years ago, and it was not a law to carry it at that time

I get the feeling that you like to nitpick from time to time.

I answered the question as it was asked. I understand from the RSA that, as with car NCT certs, you should have it with you on the vehicle. Which will, of course, be law when the disc system is up and running.
What commercial owners do is beside the point, we are talking about private vehicles.
I did not say that it was/is law to carry it. I refered to it being law to carry your driving licence.

niloc1951 · 27-03-2012 5:18pm

Pjwal wrote: »

...................... Hymer has in cases placed an extra plate that has a higher front axle gross weight then what the base vehicle manufacterer has allowed and that one is a problem.................

Shouldn't be a problem, because, HYMER is considered to be 'the manufacturer' and as such "responsible to the approval authority for all aspects of the type-approval or authorisation process and for ensuring conformity of production"

See DIRECTIVE 2007/46/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL, in particular Articles 3 & 5

Pjwal · 27-03-2012 5:36pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I get the feeling that you like to nitpick from time to time.

I answered the question as it was asked. I understand from the RSA that, as with car NCT certs, you should have it with you on the vehicle. Which will, of course, be law when the disc system is up and running.
What commercial owners do is beside the point, we are talking about private vehicles.
I did not say that it was/is law to carry it. I refered to it being law to carry your driving licence.

you could be right, it has been said before

Irishgoatman · 27-03-2012 5:57pm

I doubt if a photo-copy of a cert would be accepted by a roadside RSA inspector.
RSA told me that they are having a fair amount of counterfeit certs showing up on commercial vehicles which is partly why they are pushing for the disc system as fast as possible.

Malta1 · 27-03-2012 8:53pm

Cheers lads

Pjwal · 28-03-2012 12:36am

niloc1951 wrote: »

Pjwal wrote:

...................... Hymer has in cases placed an extra plate that has a higher front axle gross weight then what the base vehicle manufacterer has allowed and that one is a problem.................

Shouldn't be a problem, because, HYMER is considered to be 'the manufacturer' and as such "responsible to the approval authority for all aspects of the type-approval or authorisation process and for ensuring conformity of production"

See DIRECTIVE 2007/46/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL, in particular Articles 3 & 5

It would make our job a lot easier if the rsa was to do as much reserch as you do instead of doing things the way that they do.

spaceHopper · 29-03-2012 10:40am

Passed to day after a recheck!

Guys please take the argument off line, PM's?

Pjwal · 29-03-2012 10:49am

Pjwal wrote: »

It would make our job a lot easier if the rsa was to do as much reserch as you do instead of doing things the way that they do.

that is ment as praise incase it comes across as sarcasm.

Aidan_M_M · 29-03-2012 12:38pm

maybe it's time for a mod to skim the thread , and bring together the important points? And maybe just a thought , thinking out loud here , to have a seperate thread for those who've gone for a test , whether or not they passed and why not if they failed ?

martyc5674 · 29-03-2012 10:44pm

clionaricho wrote: »

So I had my camper for test on Friday (coincedently the same day that they received instruction from the RSA) regarding the weight. Anyway my plate had been altered as in stamped over. So here are my questions :

It was obvioulsy changed so that the VRT amount paid was lower??

So basically in order for me to drive it on a B licence I would prefer if it was under 3500 tonne. But I am wondering about the implications of this, would I now be liable for the additional VRT? If so would it be much ? Am I better emptying the van and so getting it below the 3500 tonne weight ?

Also I am in the South Dublin area and I really am not clear as to what is expected of me to get this problem rectified. Mine is a Peugeot Hobby, so basically am I expected to find a Peugeot garage and ask them to agree with the weight from a weigh bridge ?

Thanks for all advice as I need to get this sorted as quick as possible.

If your van weighs under 3500 you should be able to get it down plated.
Most vans can carry over 4 ton but are down plated to fit a licence category.
You mightn't leave yourself with much payload but that's another issue!

Check out svtech website for info on doing this

Marty.

zambo · 30-03-2012 9:15am

Hi
I think it unlikely the weight was changed for vrt reasons.the weight on the plate was not looked at by revenue,they were only interested in the weight shown by one of their recommended weighbridges,this had to be with no water in tanks and no extra items on board.The weight limit to qualify for low vrt was 3 tonne not 3.5 so you could still drive on b licence.The likely reason was to allow a more reasonable payload as some vans are overloaded with just the passengers aboard.My own van was uprated by fitting air suspension
for this reason.
If your license allows it I would not downplate it as you may find you have no load capacity.If you feel it will sell better when you change you can get it changed then.
yours Zambo

Pjwal · 30-03-2012 10:19am

zambo wrote: »

Hi
I think it unlikely the weight was changed for vrt reasons.the weight on the plate was not looked at by revenue,they were only interested in the weight shown by one of their recommended weighbridges,this had to be with no water in tanks and no extra items on board.The weight limit to qualify for low vrt was 3 tonne not 3.5 so you could still drive on b licence.The likely reason was to allow a more reasonable payload as some vans are overloaded with just the passengers aboard.My own van was uprated by fitting air suspension
for this reason.
If your license allows it I would not downplate it as you may find you have no load capacity.If you feel it will sell better when you change you can get it changed then.
yours Zambo

i am very sure that you cannot down plate anyway, you can bring down axle weights to suit tyre load indices, but only if after lowering the axle weights, the sum of the two axle weights still add up to at least the gvw.

kat2171 · 30-03-2012 10:48am

Hi all. I am new to this thread and a bit confused!
I have a Transit/ Rimor Europeo NG6 camper.
Prob is I am not sure what weight is.. Plate inside passenger door has 4 weights: 3500,5750,1600 and 2600kg. It is a Ford plate.
Does this mean that the weight is 3500kg?

Pjwal · 30-03-2012 12:10pm

kat2171 wrote: »

Hi all. I am new to this thread and a bit confused!
I have a Transit/ Rimor Europeo NG6 camper.
Prob is I am not sure what weight is.. Plate inside passenger door has 4 weights: 3500,5750,1600 and 2600kg. It is a Ford plate.
Does this mean that the weight is 3500kg?

yes, 3500 is gross vehicle weight.
the second weight is the gross train weight(van+trailer+load)
third weight is gross front axle weight
fourth weight is gross rear axle weight

martyc5674 · 30-03-2012 12:11pm

kat2171 wrote: »

Hi all. I am new to this thread and a bit confused!
I have a Transit/ Rimor Europeo NG6 camper.
Prob is I am not sure what weight is.. Plate inside passenger door has 4 weights: 3500,5750,1600 and 2600kg. It is a Ford plate.
Does this mean that the weight is 3500kg?

3500 is your max permissible weight including payload.
The smaller weights are your individual axel ratings and the 5750 is max permissible train weight ( van plus trailer)
To get your actual weight u need to go to a weigh bridge.
Marty.

dickwod1 · 30-03-2012 12:50pm

martyc5674 wrote: »

To get your actual weight u need to go to a weigh bridge.
Marty.

Does one need to get the camper weighed (cert of weight) before the test?

martyc5674 · 30-03-2012 1:17pm

dickwod1 wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

To get your actual weight u need to go to a weigh bridge.
Marty.

Does one need to get the camper weighed (cert of weight) before the test?

No... But if you'd like to know your payload it's the only way of finding out.
Your payload is 3500- weight of van.
Marty.

martyc5674 · 30-03-2012 1:26pm

Pjwal wrote: »

zambo wrote: »

Hi
I think it unlikely the weight was changed for vrt reasons.the weight on the plate was not looked at by revenue,they were only interested in the weight shown by one of their recommended weighbridges,this had to be with no water in tanks and no extra items on board.The weight limit to qualify for low vrt was 3 tonne not 3.5 so you could still drive on b licence.The likely reason was to allow a more reasonable payload as some vans are overloaded with just the passengers aboard.My own van was uprated by fitting air suspension
for this reason.
If your license allows it I would not downplate it as you may find you have no load capacity.If you feel it will sell better when you change you can get it changed then.
yours Zambo

i am very sure that you cannot down plate anyway, you can bring down axle weights to suit tyre load indices, but only if after lowering the axle weights, the sum of the two axle weights still add up to at least the gvw.

You can down plate.
A mate is having his done... Must see how he's gettin on with it.
Up plating is trickier as you may have to upgrade suspension/axels.

Down plating all your doing is reducing your payload (and then of course your responsible to manage your payload)...and it often suits to do this for motorhomes to allow it to be driven on a car licence.
It wouldn't be common among trucks as truckers have c/d licences.

Marty.

Pjwal · 30-03-2012 4:28pm

martyc5674 wrote: »

You can down plate.
A mate is having his done... Must see how he's gettin on with it.
Up plating is trickier as you may have to upgrade suspension/axels.

Down plating all your doing is reducing your payload (and then of course your responsible to manage your payload)...and it often suits to do this for motorhomes to allow it to be driven on a car licence.
It wouldn't be common among trucks as truckers have c/d licences.

Marty.

i know i am often accused of nit picking and argueing, but i do know that that it is not acceptable to change the gross weight either upward or down wards, it was happening a few years ago on a regular basis with small isuzu and mitsubishi canter trucks and a stop was put to it, unless the manufacterer is doing it, its not legal, but i also that alot of plates have been fabercated to look original, but arent, unless somebody previously up plated it and is now reverting it back to original,

martyc5674 · 30-03-2012 4:55pm

Pjwal wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

You can down plate.
A mate is having his done... Must see how he's gettin on with it.
Up plating is trickier as you may have to upgrade suspension/axels.

Down plating all your doing is reducing your payload (and then of course your responsible to manage your payload)...and it often suits to do this for motorhomes to allow it to be driven on a car licence.
It wouldn't be common among trucks as truckers have c/d licences.

Marty.

i know i am often accused of nit picking and argueing, but i do know that that it is not acceptable to change the gross weight either upward or down wards, it was happening a few years ago on a regular basis with small isuzu and mitsubishi canter trucks and a stop was put to it, unless the manufacterer is doing it, its not legal, but i also that alot of plates have been fabercated to look original, but arent, unless somebody previously up plated it and is now reverting it back to original,

Have a read of this http://www.svtech.co.uk/motorhomes.html
They check out your van and supply you with a new plate and a letter of declaration.

Maybe whoever was doing it with the canters was a bit loose around engineers reports etc etc

But at the end of the day if your axels suspension brakes etc are up to the job and you have an engineer stand over it the RSA can't argue with you.

Marty.

niloc1951 · 30-03-2012 5:04pm

Pjwal wrote: »

i know i am often accused of nit picking and argueing, but i do know that that it is not acceptable to change the gross weight either upward or down wards, it was happening a few years ago on a regular basis with small isuzu and mitsubishi canter trucks and a stop was put to it, unless the manufacterer is doing it, its not legal, but i also that alot of plates have been fabercated to look original, but arent, unless somebody previously up plated it and is now reverting it back to original,

Not quite right, see http://www.svtech.co.uk/motorhomes.html and their certification and plates are acceptable to the RSA, I have it in writing from them.

Pjwal · 30-03-2012 5:09pm

Pjwal wrote: »

i know i am often accused of nit picking and argueing, but i do know that that it is not acceptable to change the gross weight either upward or down wards, it was happening a few years ago on a regular basis with small isuzu and mitsubishi canter trucks and a stop was put to it, unless the manufacterer is doing it, its not legal, but i also that alot of plates have been fabercated to look original, but arent, unless somebody previously up plated it and is now reverting it back to original,

i dont have a way of getting them up here, but if you can look up circular vs 13/3 it states it very clearly, and then a bit more info added on circular vs 06/04

niloc1951 · 30-03-2012 11:47pm

I have attached an excellent article covering the whole area of changing the GVW (MAM).

During correspondence with the RSA during November 2010 they confirmed to me that the type of operation mentioned in the article, when carried by a competent and authorised person (like SV Tech), is wholly acceptable to them (the RSA), as it is to equivalent organisations elsewhere within the EU.

Any refusal to allow such an operation on the vehicle of an Irish resident would be contrary to the Free Movement of Goods and Services Directive.

stevire · 31-03-2012 2:16pm

DOE done today, overall not too bad. 4 Cosmetic Issues and one issue with Handbrake Imbalance.

One of the issues was this:

This fails the DOE? Really??

Buford T Justice · 31-03-2012 3:42pm

stevire wrote: »

DOE done today, overall not too bad. 4 Cosmetic Issues and one issue with Handbrake Imbalance.

This fails the DOE? Really??

Renault Espace. Where would us self builders be without them eh?

Yeah, its a failure alright. No adequate support for the seat. I used to drive an aul tub a shite skip lorry years ago and it failed the DOE for that too. had to put a piece of foam in it and stitch it up. Just stitch a bit of fabric over the hole, and provided there's not a big hole int it, it'll be fine.

Pjwal · 02-04-2012 12:00am

niloc1951 wrote: »

I have attached an excellent article covering the whole area of changing the GVW (MAM).

During correspondence with the RSA during November 2010 they confirmed to me that the type of operation mentioned in the article, when carried by a competent and authorised person (like SV Tech), is wholly acceptable to them (the RSA), as it is to equivalent organisations elsewhere within the EU.

Any refusal to allow such an operation on the vehicle of an Irish resident would be contrary to the Free Movement of Goods and Services Directive.

Ok. I appolagise and I am standing corrected. But once again, this information has never been passed on to the test centres from the rsa.

Pjwal · 02-04-2012 12:05am

Buford T Justice wrote:

stevire wrote:

DOE done today, overall not too bad. 4 Cosmetic Issues and one issue with Handbrake Imbalance.

This fails the DOE? Really??

Renault Espace. Where would us self builders be without them eh?

Yeah, its a failure alright. No adequate support for the seat. I used to drive an aul tub a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]te skip lorry years ago and it failed the DOE for that too. had to put a piece of foam in it and stitch it up. Just stitch a bit of fabric over the hole, and provided there's not a big hole int it, it'll be fine.

Yep. Exactly as buford has said. Just fill it,stitch it and cover it. It is a pickey thing, but it is a test item and the manual says if the foam is protruding then it's a fail.

stevire · 02-04-2012 8:09am

Buford T Justice wrote: »

Renault Espace. Where would us self builders be without them eh?

Yeah, its a failure alright. No adequate support for the seat. I used to drive an aul tub a shite skip lorry years ago and it failed the DOE for that too. had to put a piece of foam in it and stitch it up. Just stitch a bit of fabric over the hole, and provided there's not a big hole int it, it'll be fine.

Yeah the Espace is a great resource! Only problem I have with the seat is that the swivel handle is too close to the handbrake... Another item on the self-build todo list!

Pjwal wrote: »

Yep. Exactly as buford has said. Just fill it,stitch it and cover it. It is a pickey thing, but it is a test item and the manual says if the foam is protruding then it's a fail.

Wasn't aware that would fail a DOE, was a bit shocked at the time!! I'll get it sorted either way

Buford T Justice · 02-04-2012 11:51am

stevire wrote: »

Yeah the Espace is a great resource! Only problem I have with the seat is that the swivel handle is too close to the handbrake... Another item on the self-build todo list!

I have the very same problem. Its on my er.... to do list to! Yeah!

Did you end up putting the drivers seat on the passenger side and the passenger seat on the driver side to get them to swivel in the right direction?

stevire · 02-04-2012 1:48pm

Buford T Justice wrote: »

I have the very same problem. Its on my er.... to do list to! Yeah!

Did you end up putting the drivers seat on the passenger side and the passenger seat on the driver side to get them to swivel in the right direction?

The seats were one of the few things that came with the van! The drivers side swivels around to the left and armrest is on the left (which would be the drivers seat of the Espace?) and passenger swings to the right / armrest on the right.

micos · 02-04-2012 2:01pm

Hi All,
Quick question , passed doe for my 1990 campervan, went to get the cert in motor tax office and was told the software hasnt been updated yet and could only be issued for a year and to come back in a few months for a free of charge 2 year cert.
was previously told its a yearly test so slightly confused now!

martyc5674 · 02-04-2012 4:28pm

Pjwal wrote: »

niloc1951 wrote: »

I have attached an excellent article covering the whole area of changing the GVW (MAM).

During correspondence with the RSA during November 2010 they confirmed to me that the type of operation mentioned in the article, when carried by a competent and authorised person (like SV Tech), is wholly acceptable to them (the RSA), as it is to equivalent organisations elsewhere within the EU.

Any refusal to allow such an operation on the vehicle of an Irish resident would be contrary to the Free Movement of Goods and Services Directive.

Ok. I appolagise and I am standing corrected. But once again, this information has never been passed on to the test centres from the rsa.

No worries... It ain't very clear.
I just realised I've a copy of a RSA mail stating that it's OK once done by a competent person/body.

Marty.

Pjwal · 02-04-2012 5:24pm

Buford T Justice wrote: »

I have the very same problem. Its on my er.... to do list to! Yeah!

Did you end up putting the drivers seat on the passenger side and the passenger seat on the driver side to get them to swivel in the right direction?

i v done this operation, you make them the other way, but you need good use of the angle grinder, but its worth it to have arm rests to the inside as you have the door as an arm rest on the outside, you need to unbolt all the retractable seat belt gear and grind off all the metal work its attarched to and a bit that goes in under the seat. then turn the seat up side down and work the swivel and you will see the lugs that stop it turning the other way and cut them off. its all do able it doesnt take too much from the seat afterwards even though you cant attatch the plastic cover at the side any more. i also had to bend out the hand brake lever a bit with a pipe to be able to use the drivers one, worked a treat.
ford galaxey seats also do the trick but in the old ducato/peugeot/citroen, you do need to cut down the pedistal boxes that the seats sit on as they are a thicker seat and dont leave enough clearence between the seat and the steering wheel or a tall guys head and the roof lining, but not too big a job, unless you have water tanks under your seats.

bluethunder · 02-04-2012 7:10pm

micos wrote: »

Hi All,
Quick question , passed doe for my 1990 campervan, went to get the cert in motor tax office and was told the software hasnt been updated yet and could only be issued for a year and to come back in a few months for a free of charge 2 year cert.
was previously told its a yearly test so slightly confused now!

Exact same thing happened me. My van (and yours) is over 10 years old and so needs a yearly test. The people in the tax office seem to think that campers only need to be tested every 2 years. The guy who gave me my cert said that my cert was valid for 2 years even though it said one on the cert. I emailed them a few days later and they said it was a mistake and they'd be briefing all staff.

Irishgoatman · 02-04-2012 7:38pm

bluethunder wrote: »

Exact same thing happened me. My van (and yours) is over 10 years old and so needs a yearly test. The people in the tax office seem to think that campers only need to be tested every 2 years. The guy who gave me my cert said that my cert was valid for 2 years even though it said one on the cert. I emailed them a few days later and they said it was a mistake and they'd be briefing all staff.

I had no trouble at the Castlebar office.
Woman looked at my cert and said straight away, in a very friendly way, " don't forget it's every year for you now".

Pjwal · 03-04-2012 10:35am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I had no trouble at the Castlebar office.
Woman looked at my cert and said straight away, in a very friendly way, " don't forget it's every year for you now".

they taxed mine without the doe cert, my wife did it in line when the reminder came in. so i still have the test center pass cert. i know i need to hand it in so that its intered on the the garda database, but i thought the whole idea was that you needed it to tax it

stevire · 03-04-2012 11:10am

Pjwal wrote: »

they taxed mine without the doe cert, my wife did it in line when the reminder came in. so i still have the test center pass cert. i know i need to hand it in so that its intered on the the garda database, but i thought the whole idea was that you needed it to tax it

Guess it's different from tax office to tax office and who you get. I wasn't allowed to re-register and tax mine without a DOE.

Buford T Justice · 03-04-2012 11:41am

Pjwal wrote: »

i v done this operation, you make them the other way, but you need good use of the angle grinder, but its worth it to have arm rests to the inside as you have the door as an arm rest on the outside, you need to unbolt all the retractable seat belt gear and grind off all the metal work its attarched to and a bit that goes in under the seat. then turn the seat up side down and work the swivel and you will see the lugs that stop it turning the other way and cut them off. its all do able it doesnt take too much from the seat afterwards even though you cant attatch the plastic cover at the side any more. i also had to bend out the hand brake lever a bit with a pipe to be able to use the drivers one, worked a treat.
ford galaxey seats also do the trick but in the old ducato/peugeot/citroen, you do need to cut down the pedistal boxes that the seats sit on as they are a thicker seat and dont leave enough clearence between the seat and the steering wheel or a tall guys head and the roof lining, but not too big a job, unless you have water tanks under your seats.

No need to go to such extremes. I swapped the swivel bases around on mine. There are four bolts holding it in. I had to undo the catches that hold the seat base in and lift up the sponge and the cover. Once I did that, bob's yer uncle and jobs a good 'un

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