Ugly birds- why do lads bother?

Froot · 17-08-2006 11:51am

Jesjes wrote:

IRONY!!

Pretty though...

Its ironic that in arguing your point you have shown that your own ugliness can be accepted by you only by coming online and poking holes in my posts.

Your clearly a winner. I bet your the life of any funeral you go to.

Suaimhneach · 17-08-2006 12:15pm

What? Lol. Are you the OP? I didnt have some serious point to make that warrented your response, I was merely extracting the urine of what I thought was a silly generalisation from a load of males without a pinch of common sense between the lot of them. That being said I didnt read past the first twenty posts...

Don't take life too seriously dude, you'll never get out alive.

eth0_ · 17-08-2006 12:44pm

Gopher - i'd like to see a photo of you. Those in glass houses, etc.

Siogfinsceal · 17-08-2006 12:56pm

some girls/men are naturally beautiful
some are not but make themselve beautiful thru excercise, make up m clothes etc.

Some people are not beautiful on the outside but are on the inside.

But then there are true mingins - ugly inside and out and I do wonder how they ever pull anyone/

so if a minger falls in the woods - do the trees laugh?

melekalikimaka · 17-08-2006 1:01pm

Siogfinsceal wrote:

so if a minger falls in the woods - do the trees laugh?

no cos then you see up their skirts...and thats no laugh matter

Raekwon · 17-08-2006 1:02pm

julep wrote:

good looking girls with a good personality? yes.
good looking Irish girls with a good personality? it's a rarity

Touché

Suaimhneach · 17-08-2006 1:04pm

Which one are you Miss Legendary Fairy? Are you a minger or a fox... how would you categorise youself? Which small minded box would you like to enclose youself in?

Wow, I didnt realise how eagar people were to display their shallow minds publically.

Froot · 17-08-2006 1:42pm

Jesjes wrote:

Wow, I didnt realise how eagar people were to display their shallow minds publically.

sorry if i seemed to be attacking you.

imo the way you describe shallow simply means human to me.

Who is to say people who are not interested in looks are just looking for another way to be accepted in a society which is based around looks and attractiveness..nobody...personally I think its a way for ugly people to feel ok about themselves.

everyone just wants to be accepted in some way or another.

John Mason · 17-08-2006 1:52pm

in fairness though - i wont go out with an ugly bloke - i look at one of my friends husbands (who is a lovely fanastic bloke) and wonder "how in gods name did she snog him in the first place" - he has false teeth now but when they met he had no front teeth and his bottom one were black stumps ...... and he was a scruffy rocker

personality has a lot to do with it but i would want to feel proud of the man on my arm walking down the road .......:o

Unearthly · 17-08-2006 2:11pm

julep wrote:

good looking girls with a good personality? yes.
good looking Irish girls with a good personality? it's a rarity.

i decided to do a small experiment last night in the pub.
i picked out 5 girls that i found attractive and attempted to chat them up.
the looks on their faces as i introduced myself was enough to tell me that they were assholes. except for the fifth one. she was actually very nice, but had a boyfriend.
results: 80% of women that i find aesthically pleasing are assholes.

note: this may be a Leixlip thing. results have been completely different in other towns in this country.

haha someone from Confey, was this in the O-Zone?

EDIT: Should of read the rest of the topic

Terry · 17-08-2006 2:16pm

no. the courtyard. i'm a bit old for the o-zone.

anyway, everyone looks the same under the sheets with the lights out.

TomCo · 17-08-2006 2:17pm

Beauty is subjective, except for the universal truths - No fat (xbox hueg) chicks and no skangers.

Some guys like blonde hair and fake tan, I don't. Some guys hate redheads and think they should be burnt, I don't.

I don't really find the stereotypes that attractive.

Suaimhneach · 17-08-2006 3:20pm

Froot wrote:

sorry if i seemed to be attacking you.

imo the way you describe shallow simply means human to me.

Who is to say people who are not interested in looks are just looking for another way to be accepted in a society which is based around looks and attractiveness..nobody...personally I think its a way for ugly people to feel ok about themselves.

everyone just wants to be accepted in some way or another.

No need to apologise.

What is a way for "ugly people" to feel okay about themselves? I think you've misinterpreted my comments as something relavent to the thread... rather than just ripping the p*ss.

I just wanna be loved, oh society, why won't you accept me...

On a somewhat relavent note, lawl at the use of the term "ugly people". Its as if you're discussing them like they are some lower part of society that should be pitied and respected for being so brave as to live an ugly life among all you beautiful people.

smash · 17-08-2006 3:53pm

ugly chicks try harder.....

Mrs_Doyle · 17-08-2006 3:58pm

well according to the boozing with your GF thread, or the general jist of it anyhow, Pretty girls = high maintanence, prissy, boring to be around, witches.
And fun girls = jeans and t-shirt, pint swilling, perhaps not so pretty.

So if you had to chose - would you go for:

the Pretty Priss
the not so pretty up for a laugh girl

Siogfinsceal · 17-08-2006 3:58pm

to me ugly is someone who is ugly inside and out. it can also refer to someone like Sophie Anderton - no mater how good looking that girl is on the outside she still has the personality of a hairbrush and only talks about herself now thats ugly!!

smash · 17-08-2006 4:03pm

Siogfinsceal wrote:

to me ugly is someone who is ugly inside and out. it can also refer to someone like Sophie Anderton - no mater how good looking that girl is on the outside she still has the personality of a hairbrush and only talks about herself now thats ugly!!

To me an ugly person is an ugly person, brown bags can come in handy!
A good lookin person who's ugly inside.... well then they're just a good looking asshole, a gag can sort that out!

Chumpski · 17-08-2006 6:28pm

Pink Bunny wrote:

Sorry in advance for the longish reply, there's a point to it I promise

A couple of years ago I was at a concert and two rows ahead of us sat a couple (early-mid 20's I'd guess) She was good looking but her bf was very disfigured from what I can only can think was a fire. He had no hair and his face and arms looked like they were the result of skin grafting. It was almost painful to watch this guy because you knew that was probably the best he could ever look and just thankful to be alive. And yet you could tell from the body language that she adored him and saw the man for who he was inside.

It got me to thinking about what love really is and that I would never want a relationship based on looks because you never know what the future holds, ya know? Sure it's natural to need that first attraction at the start but ppl change as they get older anyway so after a while looks don't seem to matter as much and we look at someone differently once we get to know them.

Congrads, well said. OP, this out of all the posts on this topic is the best and most honest insight to your question. Read no further and its even on the first page and all!

GrumPy · 17-08-2006 6:47pm

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

the Pretty Priss
the not so pretty up for a laugh girl

You cant just make ALL women fit into either of two different groups :rolleyes:

crybaby · 17-08-2006 7:15pm

its mostly loneliness that results in a sort of desperation that leads to people going out with anything with a semi-decent personality and a set of breasts

there really is nothing shallow about wanting to go out with someone you find beautiful

good looking Irish girls with a good personality? it's a rarity.

rubbish.

Tiesto · 17-08-2006 7:45pm

Yeah ur sport on Tha Gopher
I ask myself the same questions aswell but can never seem to find an answer..
ahwell...

Anti · 17-08-2006 9:06pm

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

well according to the boozing with your GF thread, or the general jist of it anyhow, Pretty girls = high maintanence, prissy, boring to be around, witches.
And fun girls = jeans and t-shirt, pint swilling, perhaps not so pretty.

So if you had to chose - would you go for:

the Pretty Priss
the not so pretty up for a laugh girl

The high maintanence, prissy, boring bitch tbfh. At least she will still look somewhat decent in the morning. Unlike the girl in jeans and a tshirt, You will wake up next to her wandering what the hell she is.

This is shallow but beauty > brains

Dudess · 17-08-2006 9:36pm

You, sir, are an idiot.

smash · 18-08-2006 10:03am

Irish GrumPy wrote:

You cant just make ALL women fit into either of two different groups :rolleyes:

yes you can.... those who swallow and those who dont - which type do you want?

hot2def · 18-08-2006 10:59am

Tha Gopher wrote:

I was on the bus today, this bird got on. Probably about 21/22, my guess being shes a retired teenage goth. Not fat, but...built. Hair trimmed to her neck length, dyed a bad looking reddish brown colour, wore thick rimmed glasses, basically the type that automatically makes the voice in your head utter "jaysus no way". So she gets off at a bus stop and into the arms of some lad who was obviously her boyfriend. And Im thinking "whats your game?". It really made me think, how does a lad go out with someone who not only makes no effort on her appearance, but seemingly goes out of the way to make herself look worse? For me to like a girl, she has to be the type who, when I see her it makes me smile, when she smiles at me it brightens up my day. How in the name of jaysus this one could evoke those type of emotions in a man purely mystify me.

Other people's relationships are not there for random, post-teenage oiks on the bus to understand.

The very fact that the woman in question was not tarted up is an indication that she has no interest in attracting the sexual advances of gangly eejits on the bus. I personally would find it highly unattractive if I thought my girlfriend paused on the way to work or whatever in the moring and thought "oh, what will boys I've never met before think of me?" and proceded to blow half an hour of her precious life applying expensive products to here face.

The mistake here is yours - in sizing up every woman you see as a potential mate, and wondering why she isn't done up for you....maybe she doesn't want you....

Tha Gopher · 18-08-2006 11:24am

Nightwish wrote:

I'd be what the OP would consider ugly.

Yeah, probably

As AB04 and a few others said, I dont have contempt for these girls. I just think that its weird that a man will be attracted to a girl appearance who, in my view, makes absoloutely no effort to look good. If I went to a club wearing a torn, beer stained shirt, and if I hadnt had a wash and has unkempt hair and smelled of B.O, I wouldnt expect to pull. Theres only a certain amount a man can do to change his appearance (Im rockin a goatee after shaving the surrounding 2 week beard on Saturday. 3 birds since after a 5 week drought, Im keepin this mofo

) . But a girl can grow her hair long, can do away with the bad glasses, she can do alot of things. As I said previously, every gorgeous girl I know could seriously mess herself up by trimming off their long hair or whathaveya. But they have the sense not to. Men chasing ugly women is almost counter evoloutionary. The reason a typical man likes a slim blue eyed blonde with a good complexion is genetic, subconsciously your thinking she will bear healthy children. Probably the ugliest girl I can think of is yer one of the HB Ice Cream ad, the goth girl. Now if she took off all that crap she might be alright, who knows. But to deliberately make yourself look like that, good god. Theres actually nothing worse than when you see a goth girl who actually has a pretty face, but shes wearing dog collars on her neck, dyed her hair purple/green and all that crap.

hot2def- sorry, but tbh I think anyones day is brightened up if they think someone fancies them. If Im walking down the road and some nice bird takes a quick glance at me and smiles, it gives me a lift. In work when I get into waffle filled flirtatious banter with the utterly beautiful long dark haired Spanish girl who works in the canteen, it truly brightens up what is otherwise a very long, depressing day, I actually hate the days shes not on the till and I dont see her (due to my hours, I work an awful afternoon to night shift, I even have to take mybreaks on my own because nobody else is on with me. Hafta get off it soon). When you glance at a girl in the street,you can tell she appreciates being noticed. So what myp point is is how the fcuk do these ones who make no effort not even care about this kind of thing?

hot2def · 18-08-2006 11:42am

Tha Gopher wrote:

hot2def- sorry, but tbh I think anyones day is brightened up if they think someone fancies them. If Im walking down the road and some nice bird takes a quick glance at me and smiles, it gives me a lift. In work when I get into waffle filled flirtatious banter with the utterly beautiful long dark haired Spanish girl who works in the canteen, it truly brightens up what is otherwise a very long, depressing day, I actually hate the days shes not on the till and I dont see her (due to my hours, I work an awful afternoon to night shift, I even have to take mybreaks on my own because nobody else is on with me. Hafta get off it soon). When you glance at a girl in the street,you can tell she appreciates being noticed. So what myp point is is how the fcuk do these ones who make no effort not even care about this kind of thing?

I know its tough for a 20 year old bloke to imagine, but not everyone is like you. It can be deeply uncomfortable, and occasionally threatening, to recieve advances from a stranger, especially if you are alone....

but that was not my point. Some women may feel their lives are busy enoguh without bothering themselves about whether men they have no interest in find them attractive. What make you so special that a stranger should "put some effort in" for you?

Your misogynist attitude lies not in the fact that you judge a woman on how she looks, but in the fact that you bitch for a paragraph about a girls behaviour, and then ask what her boyfriend thinks. Seems to me that females aren't whole people to you....

Raekwon · 18-08-2006 11:42am

Tha Gopher wrote:

(Im rockin a goatee after shaving the surrounding 2 week beard on Saturday. 3 birds since after a 5 week drought, Im keepin this mofo )

Hahahahahahahahahahaha :-D Ah I love it! :rolleyes:

hot2def · 18-08-2006 11:44am

On a seperate note, that girl has a partner, while you are engaging in some desperate chat at the till. Clearly personality must count for something...

18-08-2006 11:46am

But a girl can grow her hair long, can do away with the bad glasses, she can do alot of things. As I said previously, every gorgeous girl I know could seriously mess herself up by trimming off their long hair or whathaveya.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Believe it or not, long hair doesn't actually suit some people. Geez.

Tha Gopher · 18-08-2006 11:49am

You know her do you?

"oh my god, this guy who doesnt like ugly girls has told us he likes chatting to a nice looking girl in work. Lets deride it":p Pathetic

Define irony- people with ugly girlfriends calling people with a bit of taste desperate and low brow. This thread has seen a great deal of bull and sense tbh. Im not saying lads cant go out with an ugly girl, my point is merely why anyone would want to do it.

18-08-2006 11:57am

Finally read the OP:

Personally, I know if I started going with an ugly girl, my mates would say it to my face.

Probably because they're as pathetic and empty between the ears as you are. Oh, grow up.

hot2def · 18-08-2006 11:58am

you didn't read or understand what I typed.

You get the tourists you advertise for. Maybe these girls aren't advertising for you. If you tart yourself up, fake tan, tramp stamp lower back tribal tattoo, high lights, blow job lip gloss, fake nails, peirced belly button etc you are going to attract men who are concerned foremost with how a girl looks.

If you dress down, nose ring, long dark hair in your face with purple bits, new rock boots and dark rimmed glasses, you are going to be studiously ignored by those guys (score!) and end up with a hairy rocker guy, who likes someone to go gigs and the pub with.

Everyone's happy.

I like the way you entirely reinforced my point about misogyny though. good work.

TomCo · 18-08-2006 12:00pm

Tbh, I wouldn't mind a bit of the op's bus girl.
But then again people think I'm 'weird'. For instance one of CSG's friends at boards beers called me a 'freak' which has given me a lot to think about.

Post up a few chicks (ugly and attractive) from a google image search and we'll judge your taste in teh ladiez.

kodute · 18-08-2006 12:16pm

hot2def wrote:

tramp stamp lower back tribal tattoo

ROFL i love it cos its sooo true!

magpie · 18-08-2006 12:23pm

tramp stamp

I like it

upsfan · 18-08-2006 3:04pm

hot2def wrote:

If you tart yourself up, fake tan, tramp stamp lower back tribal tattoo, high lights, blow job lip gloss, fake nails, peirced belly button etc you are going to attract men who are concerned foremost with how a girl looks.

Ok, I understand all of this except the "blow job lip gloss" bit. Several times in this thread posters have referred to this or "blow job lips." Please explain. With pictures if possible.

TomCo · 18-08-2006 3:06pm

Google Angelina Jolie

cheeky_guy · 18-08-2006 3:08pm

I thought ugly chicks were just put on this earth so ugly guys will be able to find someone to go off with??

smash · 18-08-2006 3:39pm

no, they're just here to remind us that we could have been like that.... so appreciate that your not!

hot2def · 18-08-2006 3:44pm

upsfan wrote:

Ok, I understand all of this except the "blow job lip gloss" bit. Several times in this thread posters have referred to this or "blow job lips." Please explain. With pictures if possible.

I meant that hideous, thick, translucent, semi-sparkly lip gloss which seems to be in lately...vile. you couldn't eat, talk, or exist outside of a clean-room environment wearing it....

Suaimhneach · 18-08-2006 3:58pm

Tha Gopher wrote:

Im not saying lads cant go out with an ugly girl, my point is merely why anyone would want to do it.

Because perhaps there is more to a human being than just how much you wanna stick it in them. You know, like depth, personality, charachter...

If all these big words confuse you, dont worry too much... it doesnt really matter to people with your brain capabilities anyway.

Personally, I am grateful for people as shallow as you, because if there wasnt enough of you to date each other then all us ugos might have to deal with you more often than retarded hilarious threads in the internets.

TomCo · 18-08-2006 4:28pm

OP, just quit.

Jes is going to kill you.

Iago · 18-08-2006 4:45pm

Jesjes wrote:

Because perhaps there is more to a human being than just how much you wanna stick it in them.

There's more

each to their own. How sexy and attractive a person is, doesn't just take into account their physical attributes. Sometimes their eyes are enough to blow you away, sometimes it's their smile or how comfortable they are with themselves and around you. Sometimes it's their intelligence, or sense of humour, or just how you feel when you're around them.

You're closing yourself off from a world of experiences by basing your opinions on a first glance at someone. You'll be the poorer for that, but it is your choice.

ToxicPaddy · 18-08-2006 7:50pm

Ahh the youth of today.. OP how that will change when you grow up mate. :rolleyes:

Ever heard of the guy who married the stunning looking girl, fab body, amazing face, perfect in everyway looks wise and she was a complete b*tch.

20 years later when the looks had faded and body parts started sagging, he realised that all he had was a b*tch and a bitter one as her looks had gone..

Looks dont last forever, granted you do see the odd mature lady who is still very attractive, but you cant halt the effects of time.

Personality, intelligence and a sense of humour all add a lot more to a girl than just looks.

I worked in the bar trade for years and being a barman you do get a fair amount of attention from female customers, no idea why, but you just do. A fair few of them have been very good looking, but within about 5 minutes of chatting to some of them, you're thinkin to yourself..

"jeez girl you really are a complete idiot/bitch/slapper/bimbo or all of the above.. "

If you're going for a girl, decide she's the one and want to marry her. Would you prefer to marry a stunner who's looks will be gone in a few years when everything goes to sag or a nice, easy going sound girl, great personality, sense of humour, someone you can have a conversation with and basically be one of your best mates?

I know what I'd go for. If she has looks, added bonus, but I wouldnt be using it as the sole reason for liking a girl.

Tox

Tha Gopher · 18-08-2006 11:39pm

We seem to be back to this thing again that there is no such thing as a good looking Irish girl with a good personality. Its as if you are saying "right Gopher, heres your choice. You marry the pretty spastic and be divorced before your 35 or you marry the heavy set good time girl and live happily ever after". Eh, wheres option c, the pretty girl with the nice personality? I know beautiful looking sh1theads. I know ugly sh1theads. I know sound as a pound beauts, and I know sound as pound birds who dont really look after themselves. I dont see where age and immaturity come into anything. If some of you guys are happy to go with some girl who makes absoloutely no effort to look good, who is really unstylish and has really bad hair/specs, then you go for it. Its less competition for those of us with taste

CuLT · 19-08-2006 12:36am

bluewolf wrote:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Believe it or not, long hair doesn't actually suit some people. Geez.

It's actually more or less hardwired into the ol' male circuitry that long hair equates healthy.

Jesjes wrote:

Because perhaps there is more to a human being than just how much you wanna stick it in them. You know, like depth, personality, charachter...

If all these big words confuse you, dont worry too much... it doesnt really matter to people with your brain capabilities anyway.

Jesus JesJes, if you're going to insult his intelligence at least spell the words you're using correctly.

As for ThaGopher's post, I do see where he's coming from, and honestly, I'm not surprised at the reactions he got. I don't want to stike any nasty chords that will resound with those posters with particularily vehement replies, so I'll leave it at that.

We are hardwired to reproduce healthy offspring. It's an old part of human circuitry, and it hasn't "evolved" with human civilisation, morals, and views on political correctness.

"Good looking" is certainly subjective, in fact, looks are all subjective, but models are models for a reason, and that reason is that the vast majority of living males will find them hot.

Why?

Because they are the successful result of human mating, and carry the traits necessary to reproduce effectively. This, of course, isn't always the result, hence why we're even having this discussion in the first place

'sup minority!

Terry · 19-08-2006 12:51am

CuLT wrote:

"Good looking" is certainly subjective, in fact, looks are all subjective, but models are models for a reason, and that reason is that the vast majority of living males will find them hot.

Why?

Because they are the successful result of human mating, and carry the traits necessary to reproduce effectively. This, of course, isn't always the result, hence why we're even having this discussion in the first place

'sup minority!

rawr.

CuLT · 19-08-2006 12:55am

julep wrote:

rawr.

hehe.

walshb · 21-08-2006 9:11am

Tha Gopher wrote:

It makes you realise the poor guy must really truly fear death in his homeland if hes deported to sink so low I can imagine them pleading their case to McDowell "you see woman i marry? Surely dat proof I will do ANYTHING to stay!"

You hit the nail on the head. These birds are so damn desperate for a bit of meat. The stupid thing is they believe the guys are with them for love and because they are gorgeous. Mutts!!!!

Ugly birds- why do lads bother?

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