Ugly birds- why do lads bother?

Its the "Honda 50 Principle"

EDIT/ There's nothing uglier than dog Latin Nightwish

the op is such an immature person its unreal.
i never judge people by their looks as i no what its like, when im out fellas hit on me (sexy guys who are usually so boring and full of but eye candy is nice sometimes!!!) its so annoying. because ive nice figure and face (so ive bn told, doesnt worry me really as i like the way i look & am happy) fellas who think there hot hit on me and expect to score so to speak.

i much prefere seeing the ordinary joe soap giving me a glaanec and shying away, these stuck up fellas make me sick. hence to any fella that says hot chicks are assholes/snobs its stupid stuck up immature fellas that make em that way!!!!

an initial attraction will always be there people have preferences on what floats there boats hence why large people are happily married with kids etc.

i could just imagine it the op marrys a pure sex kitten gets her up the duff trys to sleep with her after the baby is born and says " id never have married you or impregnated you if i knew your tits would sag and ud get scars on your body im outta here". and it happens every time untill one day he realises his an ughly old spenser with wrinkly saggy balls and nothing to hold onto or keep up!!!!



@ degsy=great to see your not as shallow as i thought degsy!!!

just goes to show your intellect hasnt improved degs!!!

I think part of the OP's point was that "ugly" (note the commas), people could make themselves more attractive if they tried, and it's not so much a case of "my god how dare they burn up my valuable oxygen looking so bad", but more a case of where's your self-respect?

I'm not talking about someone who has some physical feature that's kind of not the best, I'm talking about peple who don't look after themselves at all, there's a lot of thing we should all do like exercise, eat properly, and bathe regularly, and that's got nothing to do with being a shallow git but everything to do with having respect for yourself and your body.

Ergo when you see someone who doesn't take care of themselves, (and I'm not talking about lashing on make up ridiculous grooming or pants that're too small), you get the impression they have no regard for themselves. Which is not vain at all but a perfectly reasonable response.

people are being very harsh on the OP. Could be insecurity about looks coming through. I'm average looking myself and can see what the OP is talking about. He's on about girls who are seriously obese and did nothing to help their looks.

I'm not saying girls have to plaster on make up, spend hundreds on fashion and hairstyles but theres a lot of leeway between that and having a dykish crew cut and wearing clothes that do not help your figure. That doesn't make him an incredibly shallow person. At a guess, only about 20% of girls would even fit this description. People are acting as if he is saying nearly all girls are ugly.

brilliant thread, OP, your almost spot on imo.

vorbis and gimmick have made some excellent points just now that summed up how ive been thinking reading throughout this whole thread.

I definately agree that the only reason the OP is getting such abuse is because its directed from people who are insecure about their appereance in the first place and, quite likely, would probably jump into a thread bashing stereotypical pretty men/women, on the front line.

Im shallow, and make no bones about it. BUT on the other hand, for a serious relationship, she has to have depth and intelligence aswell.
Ive been in a happy relationship for 2 years now, with a girl who is in my eyes very attractive (and very few of my mates disagree, and neither would most of you I would imagine). She knows Im shallow and isnt too particularly fond of that trait, but I think she secretly is a little too. In my opinion, Im fairly good looking but by no means gorgeous. I know Im not the best looking bloke out there, but far from the worst aswell.
I also know that I could have basically any woman I wanted because Im funny, intelligant, kind, a genuinally nice person etc....
The woman I want however has to make me laugh like I do to her, and stimulate my brain aswell as body.
Pretty girls with no brain are quite common but in the end are only good for sex, a relationship is generally tedious and frustrating and very unfufilling.

But thank the sweet lord, there do exist gorgeous women who are intelligant, funny, sound etc...!!
And theres plenty out there, I think thats what the OP is after, as am I, and I think the point hes trying to make is that, all blokes should be.

My point being, people should be just as concerned about looks as about personality in my opinion. There should be no excuse for letting your brain or your body get out of shape, imo.

And also,
Women,
Dont even try to argue what is aesthetically pleasing to a bloke. Fair enough, some people will find overweight women attractive, but they are in the SEVERE MINORITY.

I would seriously reckon that is it safe to say, 90% of straight men would find the following stereotypically beautiful women attractive:
I could obviously keep posting similar links all day, and would be happy to if nescessary

http://www.bullz-eye.com/Models/200201kathie/image.asp?theFile=b40

http://www.the-sensual-woman.com/contents/media/1037la8667ls.jpg

http://www.riscom.com/~none/pics/brook.jpg

http://www.top-uk-web-design.com/g/sexy.jpg

etc etc etc etc...


Or alternatively just pick up *any* womens magazine and its inevitably plastered with pics of "pretty" women and their daily goings on, which in itself I find very strange.

I dont think many blokes will find any problem deciding who is basically good looking and who isnt, especially without women in the room. There just is no argument most of the time, its plain and easy to pick good looking people of the opposite sex from bad looking. Everybody knows this deep down I think.

I remember seeing a documentary a few years ago about obesity, maybe it was supersize me, cant remember, but anyway, a doctor in it said that he cant understand how people have the nerve to ask people to "stop smoking, youre destroying your health and your looks etc..", for whatever reason, but the same person wouldnt ever think of going to a fat person and saying "stop eating, youre destroying yourself and your looks etc..".
His opinion was that people need to be critical to make people stop doing things. Obviously bullying is a totally different story, but telling people to cut back on their food or to wear some make up isnt always a bad thing, regardless of how the fat/ugly (or fugly haha) person chooses to recieve the information.

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this is the kind of patronising that a lot of people are saying about the OP. Its also unconditional love. Why do people think that just because he finds some women extremely ugly then he will only go out with supermodels. Nothings stopping any girl from staying in decent shape (as in not obese).

If the girl isn't in decent shape, the majority of guys will not be sexually attracted to her (sober;) ). Thats not shallowness, thats our wiring by nature. If a guy has a problem with this, he should mail his balls back to his mother.

exCrumlinBoyo wrote:

To the OP. Mate, you are young and I had a some what same opinion as you have now. I really don’t think you have any idea of what love is to be honest simply because of your attitude. You have never felt real love for someone. To me my wife is the most beautiful, graceful lady I have ever laid eyes on. It dose not matter what or how thinks other wise, it only matters what I think. As Dessie in the Snapper said “**** what the neighbors” think. What matters is what you think and feel; nothing else should compromise how you live your life.

Let me put a question to you? Let’s say it all works out to plan for you. You meet your supermodel beautiful trophy girl, fall head of heels in love with each other, decide to get married and start a family! Now as cruel as nature is, we loose some of our good as we get older. Your trophy wife gets pregnant, your both overjoyed. Your looking at your wife grow bigger and bigger while pregnant and is no long the slim lady you married. You think, well not to worry she will be fine when the baby comes along.. My point is women’s and men’s bodies change as we get older and mature. Your trophy wife has some baby weight after the baby is born. She will and can loose it, but gravity will take its toll and all of her lovely curves and bits a pieces will not be in the same place as they once were before! Will this bother you that your trophy wife is no longer as she was? She is the mother of your children after all. How do you see yourself in this situation OP? Will you feel the same as you do now? Remember that some women unfortunately, due to hormones and all of that stuff cannot loose the weight and put more on, what will you do then? Walk out on your wife and kids because your wife is fat?

Conditional love is something I hope you find, because when you have conditional love for another human being, nothing matters, not what they look like now, not what they look like in the future and especially what other people think, that dose not matter one bit.

This about it mate and good luck.

kittenkiller wrote:

The person you choose to be with doesn't better you as a person!

Yes they do.

Something as simple as validating your own self image by having an attractive partner does better you as a person.

So in short, yore ma! obviously told you that you were cool and special when you were young.

My ma is dead, therefore making it offensive for anyone to saying anything about her.

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I had replied to JesJes's earlier post but I realised that there is no point in arguing with that kind of rubbish.

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Nightwish wrote:

I'd be what the OP would consider ugly. Considering I wear thick rimmed black glasses and have a similar dress sense to the girl he described. My bf finds me beautiful and thats all I give a **** about. Its shallow people like the OP who will end up alone because he'll spend his life searching for the perfect woman (who doesnt exist). When you fall in love OP, you will realise that its their personality that is more important. Although you need physical attraction to the person, love is deeper than whats on the outside.

Nobody is disputing that anybody loves you. What the OP is effectively asking is why some people look beyond genetics. It is natural to want an attractive woman (physical attraction), that is why we are here. There is no other reason for humans to be on earth other than to reproduce and produce the healthiest offspring to continue the trend. I have to say that the OP has a point. Beauty is in the eye of beholder is crap. Everyone wants an attractive woman. There is not a person on this planet who doesnt think about another partner instead of their own. Its human nature.

gatecrash wrote:

can be a picky enough crowd down there. But then again I'm not exactly Adonis either!!

But i am!!!
im also with the OP here...I know that good looking and intelligent girls exist..im going out with one of them and i also know lots of them..

but i wouldn't go out with an ugly or overly fat girl..sorry...dont think it makes me particularly shallow either..