Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 5:03pm

Nowhere close to top ten almost makes it sound bad. Which of course it isn't. In my opinion.

CastorTroy · 05-11-2013 5:22pm

COYVB wrote: »

I revised my GTA opinion and actually wrote quite a glowing review and gave it 9/10 in the end. TLOU isn't in the top 10 of the year for me, or anywhere close

I'm confused. Does that mean the publisher didn't pay you or that 10 other publishers paid you more?

Hope you take that as the joke it's intended to be since isn't that what everyone cries when a game gets a good score.

Cienciano · 05-11-2013 5:44pm

PS4 for me. For pretty much this reason:

Penn wrote: »

PS4 at launch. Don't know if I'll go for the XB1 at a later stage. Have the PS3 and 360, but just rarely bother with the 360 these days. While some of the XB1 exclusives do look great, and probable unannounced exclusives down the line, I just don't think it'll be enough to make me get both. PS4 is definitely my preference though. While all the "Social & Sharing" features don't interest me in the slightest, the PS3 was just a brilliant console, PS+ has been insane value for money, and there's simply nothing the XB1 has that I want which the PS4 doesn't also have.

Xbox has nothing I want that the ps4 can't do. Xbox is 100 quid more expensive for that crappy gimmick camera thingie. The only reason I can see for going for the xbox is because it has an exclusive that you simply must have. But over the life of the console both will have amazing exclusives, for me they're not a reason to buy a particular console.

Retr0gamer · 05-11-2013 5:57pm

Grayditch wrote: »

I just can't do it "read a page of badly translated, or badly written text, hit the button, read another page...and another.. walk, bump into more enemies, turn based fight, more text, hey look how weird we made this guys hair, isn't that cool... more text...text..text..."

I get why people like them, I do, I just can't. I've tried!

To anyone that hates jrpgs all I can say is that there's more than final fantasy in the genre and final fantasy is far from the best the genre has to offer or indicative of how most Japanese RPGs play.

jiminho · 05-11-2013 6:15pm

I guess the points been made by most people do make it seem the PS4 is a better choice for a gamer. I think the Xbox One will sell better tho because it is more of a full media machine. For me, I don't buy a lot of games, I just play a few a lot, like Halo, COD, Fifa etc. Switching between TV and games is a pretty cool feature and the feature where you can make and receive skype calls is awesome. I know a lot of people will say 100 quid is a lot of money but i think for quite a lot of people as well they'll see that the kinect is worth more then that and see it as a steal. While the kinect is a bit of a gimic i admit, I've had a few fun nights just messing about at parties with it along with the Wii, so it's not entirely a waste of money. It will be interesting to see what the numbers say after a year but I do think Xbox might nick it if only because i think it appeals to a wider market.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 6:22pm

jiminho wrote: »

I think the Xbox One will sell better tho

I doubt that to be honest. Microsoft will need to seriously get back in the game.

astonaidan · 05-11-2013 6:54pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

To anyone that hates jrpgs all I can say is that there's more than final fantasy in the genre and final fantasy is far from the best the genre has to offer or indicative of how most Japanese RPGs play.

But Final Fantasy is awesome, just you wait they will release another good one then you will feel silly

Retr0gamer · 05-11-2013 7:32pm

astonaidan wrote: »

But Final Fantasy was awesome, just you wait they will release another good one then you will feel silly

Fixed your post there for you. I'll be playing Shin Megami Tensei IV, Etrian Odyssey and Fire Emblem while I wait for that to happen.

Zero-Cool · 05-11-2013 7:51pm

Ps4, put my name down on gamesnash.ie for a ps4 when/if they get stock. Always went with Playstation. Hate the xbox controllers. Sony have absolutely spoilt me with PS+. Still have 'free' games that I didnt get around to playing yet.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 7:55pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'll be playing Shin Megami Tensei IV, Etrian Odyssey and Fire Emblem while I wait for that to happen.

You'll be a while finishing those 8 games! Wait, that's 8 games there, right :pac:

Penn · 05-11-2013 7:59pm

jiminho wrote: »

I guess the points been made by most people do make it seem the PS4 is a better choice for a gamer. I think the Xbox One will sell better tho because it is more of a full media machine. For me, I don't buy a lot of games, I just play a few a lot, like Halo, COD, Fifa etc. Switching between TV and games is a pretty cool feature and the feature where you can make and receive skype calls is awesome. I know a lot of people will say 100 quid is a lot of money but i think for quite a lot of people as well they'll see that the kinect is worth more then that and see it as a steal. While the kinect is a bit of a gimic i admit, I've had a few fun nights just messing about at parties with it along with the Wii, so it's not entirely a waste of money. It will be interesting to see what the numbers say after a year but I do think Xbox might nick it if only because i think it appeals to a wider market.

Almost definitely not after a year. Maybe further down the line, but a lot of gamers (not just here, but on many sites) have either said they'll get the PS4 first and maybe the XB1 further down the line, or have jumped ship from XB1 to PS4 with much fewer going in the other direction. The whole DRM and Kinect stuff really made a lot of people sway towards the PS4 as their first choice, which I think was the fault of MS marketing rather than the functions themselves, as they were really badly explained and scared a lot of people off. While MS had backtracked or dropped certain features, trust was lost.

For the first 18 months or so I definitely expect PS4 to be in the lead. What happens after that depends on exclusives and price drops which can't really be foreseen. Next Christmas will be the big test.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 8:12pm

How costly, the Xbox One initial marketing failure. Absolutely mental. It's like when Facebook went ahead of Myspace. It's some lead to lose.

Honestly, MS had to change so much (and they did, to their credit) but it will take a rake load of incredible exclusives and maybe some plan like PsPlus to level it out again, I'd say. I think the Xbox One is a much better console than the polls stats would lead a person to believe, and that's down to the mismanagement of the marketing and initial restrictions. They lost the first battle, but it's a 10 year war. Sony managed to play catch up well for the last few years, and hopefully it's gamers who benefit from the two trying to out-do each other this time, too.

Tipsy McSwagger · 05-11-2013 8:38pm

Sure the X1 is €100 dearer than the PS4, but not only are us European gamers getting a Kinect included we are also getting a game worth €60, so it's really €40 dearer*, or a kinect for the bargain price of €40.

*Most PS4 owners will spend €60 on a launch game

Pushtrak · 05-11-2013 8:39pm

Can't vote, as I'll be getting both. I'm going to get both because I know they'll both have great games that'll justify owning the respective consoles. Just a question of when they start to come out. Metal Gear Solid 5 is going to be a must own title. I want to see how good D4 is. If D4 is as good as I hope, I might buy the One when all the episodes of that have been released. PS4 exclusives, well The Order could be good, but I don't know if it'll be buy this system good.

Shiminay wrote: »

To the few people who are buying both - are you mad? Take that €900 and build a high powered gaming PC (and you'll build a fine beast for that money).

A PC isn't going to do me any favours in playing console exclusives.

kitnan wrote: »

I guess there is a lot up in the air until release day for the consoles hit.

If only it were so simple. In truth, it's going to be up in the air as more system updates come out. Wouldn't be out of the question to figure it'll be up in the air for the first 2 years into the gen, if not longer.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 8:41pm

I'm not sure everyone wants that Kinect thing. I'm getting a PS4, KillZone 4 an extra controller and PS Camera for 500, and I don't want that damn camera.

ShadowHearth · 05-11-2013 8:46pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Sure the X1 is €100 dearer than the PS4, but not only are us European gamers getting a Kinect included but we are also getting a game worth €60 so it's really €40 dearer or a kinect for a bargain price of €40.

A bargain is a BARGAIN, when item is actually needed/wanted/Cheap as chips. 40eu for an item nobody ( okay, 7 people world wide want it ) wants is a freaking robbery in the middle of the day.

ps4 399eu + controller 65eu + Killzone 65eu + Camera 60eu = 590eu

Killzone bundle - 499eu. Now thats a fecking bargain camera, because you can sell on camera for at least 30eu and still get controller and Game cheaper then buying individually. So yeah, MS has a very ****ed up "bargain" definition.

*Will spend 60eu on game, which they actually want. Not everyone drools over balls on a pitch. :pac:

Varik · 05-11-2013 8:48pm

I don't trust any poll that doesn't show names.

ShadowHearth · 05-11-2013 8:52pm

Varik wrote: »

I don't trust any poll that doesn't show names.

I only trust Polls on which Beautiful girls perform amazing stunts. :pac:

Tipsy McSwagger · 05-11-2013 9:00pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

A bargain is a BARGAIN, when item is actually needed/wanted/Cheap as chips. 40eu for an item nobody ( okay, 7 people world wide want it ) wants is a freaking robbery in the middle of the day.

ps4 399eu + controller 65eu + Killzone 65eu + Camera 60eu = 590eu

Killzone bundle - 499eu. Now thats a fecking bargain camera, because you can sell on camera for at least 30eu and still get controller and Game cheaper then buying individually. So yeah, MS has a very ****ed up "bargain" definition.

*Will spend 60eu on game, which they actually want. Not everyone drools over balls on a pitch. :pac:

I'm getting Forza a game everyone is drooling over.

String · 05-11-2013 9:01pm

PS4 for me

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 9:02pm

This is getting weird.

ShadowHearth · 05-11-2013 9:05pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I'm getting Forza a game everyone is drooling over.

I have to admit, Forza is the only ( so far ) reason I will be getting Xbox One after price cut.

Shiminay · 05-11-2013 9:06pm

Pushtrak wrote: »

A PC isn't going to do me any favours in playing console exclusives.

I think that's a pretty short sighted view for a couple of reasons:

1) The new batch of consoles are now using PC architecture internally - this means there's a metric fk ton of barriers for cross platform development that have just disappeared overnight. Any "exclusivity" is dumb - you only had to see the Bungee people's reactions to EA fking them and all PlayStation people over on this Titan Fall thing to see how unpopular and anti-consumer a notion it is with developers (who after all just want people to play and enjoy their games).

2) Valve are about to hit the living room hard with the Steam Box which is a tidy compact PC running their own flavour of Linux. I don't think that they'll just sit back and allow "console exclusives" to be a barrier for them.

Now that I think of it, why *isn't* the Steam Box in this poll? Anyone with half a brain has to realise that it's a major contender for the living room space and that is has a staggeringly massive collection of games at all price ranges already available. Neither Sony nor MS can say they have about 10,000 launch titles

DuckSlice · 05-11-2013 9:07pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I have to admit, Forza is the only ( so far ) reason I will be getting Xbox One after price cut.

Is forza as good as gran Turismo? I presume GT6 will be on ps4.

Ps4 for me. XB1 Would have to be something special to take me away from sony and iysnot

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 9:09pm

I like console exclusives more than I like PC ones. I'm gonna get a console. Most likely both. I'm a console guy. Consoles are great.

2Mad2BeMad · 05-11-2013 9:11pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

A bargain is a BARGAIN, when item is actually needed/wanted/Cheap as chips. 40eu for an item nobody ( okay, 7 people world wide want it ) wants is a freaking robbery in the middle of the day.

ps4 399eu + controller 65eu + Killzone 65eu + Camera 60eu = 590eu

Killzone bundle - 499eu. Now thats a fecking bargain camera, because you can sell on camera for at least 30eu and still get controller and Game cheaper then buying individually. So yeah, MS has a very ****ed up "bargain" definition.

*Will spend 60eu on game, which they actually want. Not everyone drools over balls on a pitch. :pac:

Think its quite alot more then 7 but I get the point it should of been made optional, but who knows maybe kinect 2.0 could be a beast of a thing
I like the idea of it been used with DR3 and Ryse for shouting orders on what to do
Not to mention to practice my awfull dancing :pac:

2Mad2BeMad · 05-11-2013 9:13pm

Shiminay wrote: »

I think that's a pretty short sighted view for a couple of reasons:

1) The new batch of consoles are now using PC architecture internally - this means there's a metric fk ton of barriers for cross platform development that have just disappeared overnight. Any "exclusivity" is dumb - you only had to see the Bungee people's reactions to EA fking them and all PlayStation people over on this Titan Fall thing to see how unpopular and anti-consumer a notion it is with developers (who after all just want people to play and enjoy their games).

2) Valve are about to hit the living room hard with the Steam Box which is a tidy compact PC running their own flavour of Linux. I don't think that they'll just sit back and allow "console exclusives" to be a barrier for them.

Now that I think of it, why *isn't* the Steam Box in this poll? Anyone with half a brain has to realise that it's a major contender for the living room space and that is has a staggeringly massive collection of games at all price ranges already available. Neither Sony nor MS can say they have about 10,000 launch titles

oh god the master race just can't stay out of any console discussion
thats all we need now is the steam box then they will have an excuse to butt in:pac:

ShadowHearth · 05-11-2013 9:17pm

etxp wrote: »

Is forza as good as gran Turismo? I presume GT6 will be on ps4.

Ps4 for me. XB1 Would have to be something special to take me away from sony and iysnot

Well, I was a Pure GT fanboy up until I played Forza 2. there were no other options to GT in fairness. Since then I loved Forza 2, 3, 4. GT5 was complete bollox with Premium/standart car thing.

After playing GT6 Demo I think that GT can get back in to the my life. It was fantastic. Its a shame it is coming out on ps3.

Shiminay · 05-11-2013 9:22pm

hehehe

For what it's worth, if I was getting a console, I'd be going for the PS4 - PS+ is so much better than XBox Live. The hardware is better and it's cheaper. I'll be damned if I'd be giving Sony my credit card details though - we can never let them forget that hack because it's complacency that let it happen.

I currently own a 360, I was happy with it, but I've had 5 of them because of RROD. The whole thing put me off consoles and I figured since I need a computer anyway and FPS' are my preferred game of choice (and you can't play them properly with a fking controller). I recently dug it out and dusted it off to play GTA V because I just couldn't wait to play it

I've always said though, if a console let me play with a mouse and keyboard, I'd be all over it. There's no reason they couldn't support it at all.

Xenji · 05-11-2013 9:34pm

Going with the PS4, but would jump at the chance at getting a Steam Box to go beside it.

DuckSlice · 05-11-2013 9:36pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Well, I was a Pure GT fanboy up until I played Forza 2. there were no other options to GT in fairness. Since then I loved Forza 2, 3, 4. GT5 was complete bollox with Premium/standart car thing.

After playing GT6 Demo I think that GT can get back in to the my life. It was fantastic. Its a shame it is coming out on ps3.

Yea I'm a big GT fan too. Have had 3,4 and 5. I presume it will come out on ps4 too.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 9:40pm

I like the structure of GT more than Forza. Both are great, even if I get bored of car games after a month or so.

Pushtrak · 05-11-2013 11:08pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

A bargain is a BARGAIN, when item is actually needed/wanted/Cheap as chips. 40eu for an item nobody ( okay, 7 people world wide want it ) wants is a freaking robbery in the middle of the day.

Who knows, they could end up doing something to impress us with kinect. With everyone with a One having kinect, developers will know that they can use it and it wouldn't be a waste of time.

super_furry · 05-11-2013 11:20pm

The problem with Kinect is that all the promises about how great it's going to be, how accurate and how much it's going to improve your gaming experiences have already been made - when Microsoft released the first Kinect. Since then, everyone worked out that it was badly designed and flawed gimmicky nonsense that never really worked. Now Microsoft are asking everyone to forget that and telling them that *this time* they have it nailed, but no-one either believes them or cares now.

Grayditch · 05-11-2013 11:33pm

super_furry wrote: »

The problem with Kinect is that all the promises about how great it's going to be, how accurate and how much it's going to improve your gaming experiences have already been made - when Microsoft released the first Kinect. Since then, everyone worked out that it was badly designed and flawed gimmicky nonsense that never really worked. Now Microsoft are asking everyone to forget that and telling them that *this time* they have it nailed, but no-one either believes them or cares now.

Yip. "Remember how much you loved the first Kinect, well now it's obligatory!"

COYVB · 05-11-2013 11:42pm

Grayditch wrote: »

Nowhere close to top ten almost makes it sound bad. Which of course it isn't. In my opinion.

Its not bad by any stretch, I just didn't enjoy it at all. Thought it lacked in most departments as a gaming experience and really had to force myself to go back to it. Basically I found it completely dull and uninteresting

COYVB · 05-11-2013 11:47pm

Never thought I'd be saying this, but having spent the first half of the day with the xbo (and the second half with the ps4), the best looking game on the xbo is kinext sports rivals. It really is astonishingly pretty!

Xenji · 05-11-2013 11:54pm

COYVB wrote: »

Never thought I'd be saying this, but having spent the first half of the day with the xbo (and the second half with the ps4), the best looking game on the xbo is kinext sports rivals. It really is astonishingly pretty!

It is meant to run at 30 fps and 1080p when it is fully released next year.

Cienciano · 06-11-2013 12:22am

super_furry wrote: »

The problem with Kinect is that all the promises about how great it's going to be, how accurate and how much it's going to improve your gaming experiences have already been made - when Microsoft released the first Kinect. Since then, everyone worked out that it was badly designed and flawed gimmicky nonsense that never really worked. Now Microsoft are asking everyone to forget that and telling them that *this time* they have it nailed, but no-one either believes them or cares now.

IF the new kinect was good, you'd bet Microsoft would have come up with an unreal game that uses it to sell it. But they haven't. It's up to developers to do that. Microsoft obviously tried long and hard and couldn't think of anything bar the usual crap.
To me it's an example of amazing technology that doesn't have any real use. It's a gamble that developers are going to come up with something. But if you have zero interest in motion control, it's a gamble that us gamers have to pay for.
No doubt it'll be used by some people, but it definitely should have been optional.

COYVB · 06-11-2013 12:28am

Xenji wrote: »

It is meant to run at 30 fps and 1080p when it is fully released next year.

Played the jet ski game that'll serve as the first preseason event next month and was born away with the graphics. The draw distance and far field fidelity is fantastic. Never would've thought it was only running at 30fps

Kzsf is still the prettiest next gen game though. But I'm not allowed to talk about it fully till next Wednesday

Nevertheless sports rivals impressed where I least expected it to

Pushtrak · 06-11-2013 12:41am

Cienciano wrote: »

IF the new kinect was good, you'd bet Microsoft would have come up with an unreal game that uses it to sell it. But they haven't. It's up to developers to do that. Microsoft obviously tried long and hard and couldn't think of anything bar the usual crap.

I'm not buying either console at launch as the games don't justify the expense. In terms of the One/Kinect, I can point to one game that I'll be keeping my eye on in the coming months. D4, which'll be made by the same people as did Deadly Premonition. It could be great, or it could fall flat on its face. Link on that.

Dead Rising 3, while I'll not be interested in getting it, also has kinect built in. Not a clue when I'll get a chance to see how the kinect works in that, but I'll be interested in what people say regarding whether it adds anything to the game.

There also has been developer interest in kinect, for example from Kojima.

COYVB · 06-11-2013 12:42am

Kinectt is very minor with dr3

Pushtrak · 06-11-2013 12:53am

COYVB wrote: »

Kinectt is very minor with dr3

True, but two points on that. First being, a lot of people will read anything to do with motion and say eff that, they just want a controller... So these less invasive things would appeal to them where, say the approach in D4 wouldn't. Secondly, even minor things can add to the immersion of a game and shouldn't be discounted. Course, it/things like it in the future have to show they add something to the experience yet.

Cienciano · 06-11-2013 12:56am

Pushtrak wrote: »

I'm not buying either console at launch as the games don't justify the expense.

Same here. Had a ps4 on order in Smyths, but selling my deposit.
Have a load of PS+ games to play and there's nothing amazing on release.

peteeeed · 06-11-2013 10:10am

PS4 charging monthly fee for multiplayer games ?

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/124906-sony-to-charge-monthly-fee-for-online-multiplayer-gaming-on-ps4

maximoose · 06-11-2013 10:17am

Sounds like nonsense, no sources and this:

Sony also allegedly plans to lure gamers from Xbox One to its PS4 by including the ability to chat with fellow players and other social-networking functions.

has already existed for ages!

Cienciano · 06-11-2013 10:22am

I really hate the PC master race guys that can't stay away from threads like this, but I'm seriously considering one when I replace the ps3.

tok9 · 06-11-2013 10:26am

peteeeed wrote: »

PS4 charging monthly fee for multiplayer games ?

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/124906-sony-to-charge-monthly-fee-for-online-multiplayer-gaming-on-ps4

I've never heard of that site but that article sounds like a load of sh*te.

To play online MP you must have PS Plus... that's it.

sin0city · 06-11-2013 10:59am

If I get a next generation console it will be a PS4.

Sorry to rain on the new console parade but it will definitely be at least a year because:

With PS Plus it will take me at least a year to get time to play all the PS3 games I have in my backlog.
There will be far more PS4 games to choose from at that stage.
All of the games for PS4 will have been out a while at that stage and will have been patched up and actually at the point they should have been at when released. Look at GTA V for example. One of the few games I pre-ordered this generation and I regret it. I think they're on 1.05 at this stage.
See if there are any major hardware flaws.
There wil undoubtedly be software issues to address - patching in mp3 support for example.
There will be a price drop, probably not in 2014 but maybe at some stage in 2015. If not a price drop then better bundles to try to increase sales once they start to slow.
There may also even be a new version of the PS4, although granted that may be a few years away.

An X1? No for the above reasons but mainly because any company that tries to remove your rights to own games, implement always online requirements and then comes out with a dealwithit hashtag is not a company I will give my money to.

Robert ninja · 06-11-2013 11:16am

Cienciano wrote: »

I really hate the PC master race guys that can't stay away from threads like this, but I'm seriously considering one when I replace the ps3.

Well asking which console a person is getting can also be indirectly seen as a question asking what is your next move/purchase for new games. Limiting it to consoles leaves out a huge response from people who are getting neither, either from building/buying a PC, being satisfied with their current PC or being satisfied with their current console. The idea is someone says what platform they'll be playing on in the future and why that platform is superior to its competitor, granting it a purchase. A user saying they'll get a PC because it runs games at a higher performance is not this whole 'pc master race' it's just person who believes there's a better purchase available to them than the dichotomy the thread title (and game stores' propaganda) suggests, and hopefully they're saying it in order to make that information available to other users so they can make better purchases too, as is the hope of a social forum in a free market society.

But meh, Ps4eVARz. (jk)

Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

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