any body got any news on steam for linux

Goodshape · 07-08-2012 5:57pm

Goodshape · 07-08-2012 6:00pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Steam for Linux is a stupid idea. Linux is about free open software. Having DRM games is not open software.

It could be argued that drawing lines around what is or isn't allowed to happen on my computer is the antithesis of free and open.

bpb101 · 07-08-2012 6:00pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Steam for Linux is a stupid idea. Linux is about free open software. Having DRM games is not open software.

by that logic you shouldnt be able have paid games on android.
because android is open sourced(or part there of )

if your against it, so be it , dont support it ,

BobbyPropane · 07-08-2012 6:01pm

Goodshape wrote: »

It could be argued that drawing lines around what is or isn't allowed to happen on my computer is the antithesis of free and open.

Of course it could.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.html

bpb101 · 07-08-2012 6:03pm

Goodshape wrote: »

http://steamcommunity.com/id/micflan

invite sent

Goodshape wrote: »

It could be argued that drawing lines around what is or isn't allowed to happen on my computer is the antithesis of free and open.

very good point.

Khannie · 08-08-2012 11:44am

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Steam for Linux is a stupid idea. Linux is about free open software. Having DRM games is not open software.

That's all very well and good in a world where open source is producing top end games. The fact is that (with some minor exceptions) it isn't. You need only look at the lack of exciting games coming from the release of the Doom 3 source code. You pay for good games. As time goes by the cost of producing them moves beyond what the open source beast is "willing" to achieve.

I'm fine with closed source games myself as long as those games start appearing on Linux.

PrzemoF · 08-08-2012 4:30pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Steam for Linux is a stupid idea. Linux is about free open software. Having DRM games is not open software.

I don't care about Steam as such, but valve/steam team is working together with intel guys to improve _open source_ drivers, so I like it!

bpb101 · 08-08-2012 6:54pm

Im am led to believe that the value linux talk is happing between 6-7 LA time tonight. thats between 11-12
http://www.khronos.org/news/events/siggraph-los-angeles-2012#opengl_bof

bpb101 · 08-08-2012 8:27pm

The new steam
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NjM

Valve's new Steam will go beyond just games and offer all sorts of software while still providing the same Steamworks benefits like easy/automated installation, automatic updating, and being able to safe your work into the Steam Cloud.

The launch will happen on 5 September.

This move will now align the Steam client into much greater competition with Microsoft's forthcoming Windows 8 store as well as Apple's App Store and Canonical's Ubuntu Software Center, etc.

The announcement can be found at SteamPowered.com.

Possible release date for the linux steam client?
If they sell music, then they want to tap into the linux market. It would be one of the first cross platform, client music seller (app store is not available on linux and so on)

Dorsanty · 08-08-2012 10:20pm

Hmmm, would this mean distributing media that isn't DRM protected as most Music stores are DRM free now.

Apps and so Games (which are applications) will probably always be license key and or DRM protected and so anything distributed via Steam would no doubt need the client to be running to be checking the status of your license live over the net all the time.

I'm a fan of Steam but a small part of me worries about it's dark side. The fact that when you buy a game you are only buying a license to use the game and Steam or the publisher (EA and others) can remove it from you should they need/want to. Would this apply to all other media?

I'm subscribed the the blog (http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/) and smile at the fact they have Left 4 Dead 2 running with higher FPS on openGL than with DirectX.

Khannie · 09-08-2012 12:09pm

Dorsanty wrote: »

I'm subscribed the the blog (http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/) and smile at the fact they have Left 4 Dead 2 running with higher FPS on openGL than with DirectX.

Interesting alright.

It's not an apples to apples comparison though unfortunately. DX has a larger feature set than OpenGL. In theory, for the exact same graphics I would expect more or less an exact same frame rate. More or less. DirectX is a fine technology.

I must say, DirectX / D3D was an absolute stroke of genius from Microsoft when it came out. It locked vendors into the microsoft way of doing things (and to be fair it was a better product at the time, though I doubt there's much visually separating them now).

If the majority of games had been OGL, more people unquestionably would have shifted to Linux and Mac at the time. Possibly enough to create a critical mass. Alas....

bpb101 · 09-08-2012 3:21pm

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1Njc

d31b0y · 09-08-2012 4:41pm

Dorsanty wrote: »

I'm a fan of Steam but a small part of me worries about it's dark side. The fact that when you buy a game you are only buying a license to use the game and Steam or the publisher (EA and others) can remove it from you should they need/want to. Would this apply to all other media?

Actually, I read recently (it may have even been this thread, if so... sowwi

) that the law may be changing to allow you to resell your digitally owned games.

Here is a piece about it -> http://www.webpronews.com/you-can-resell-your-steam-games-in-europe-2012-07

I don't think it's the one I read recently but same idea.

bpb101 · 10-08-2012 1:17am

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NzE
details on how they got l4d2 working faster on linux
in a bit of rush so i didnt read it all

IMPORTANT THING , pics of l4d2 coming in a blog post next week!
thats what i got

Howlin1 · 10-08-2012 11:05am

Is there any eta on when L4D2 will be released?

Ste_JDM · 10-08-2012 1:47pm

Howlin1 wrote: »

Is there any eta on when L4D2 will be released?

ETA.. Ha... this is valve.. when its done.. its done.

ETA:Before the 1st of January 2013.

But I will keep guessing it will be around Halloween.. you know.. left4dead2...;)

rollie · 10-08-2012 1:52pm

I'd be on for a game......if my computer can handle it! That's the next bleedin' problem

Ste_JDM · 10-08-2012 2:32pm

rollie wrote: »

I'd be on for a game......if my computer can handle it! That's the next bleedin' problem

Specs?

Khannie · 10-08-2012 5:31pm

Minimum specs for it are very low. P4 3GHz. 1G of RAM. Even my 4 year old box should be well able for it.

We should all celebrate with some unix forum online mayhem when it comes out.

human 19 · 10-08-2012 9:27pm

The latest upddat of Catalyst no longer supports my card (Radeon HD4350) so had to go to OPenGL...which means straightaway that I can no longer play Amnesia:Dark descent.

Just something to keep in mind.

Will these games only work with proprietary drivers (as long as they decide to support your card)???

Me wonders.

Ste_JDM · 10-08-2012 10:22pm

Valve are working the Nvidia and AMD on making the drivers better

matrim · 12-08-2012 11:12am

Ste_JDM wrote: »

Valve are working the Nvidia and AMD on making the drivers better

But probably only for newer cards.

bpb101 · 12-08-2012 3:32pm

matrim wrote: »

But probably only for newer cards.

well i would presume that there starting at the newest/most popular cards
cant expect them to start on one that nobody uses first

Twas just thinking of how much valve are putting into this linux development. There creating this linux team and bringing the top developers from intel amd and ndvidia to consult on.(That got to cost a few bob)

Ste_JDM · 12-08-2012 7:00pm

Gabe has all the money!

bpb101 · 12-08-2012 8:21pm

slide show for people from siggraph

Edit : i thought i posted a link , oh well
ill do it now

Grudaire · 12-08-2012 8:31pm

I see it's available online here: http://www.khronos.org/developers/library/2012-siggraph-opengl-bof

rollie · 15-08-2012 12:21pm

Khannie wrote: »

Minimum specs for it are very low. P4 3GHz. 1G of RAM. Even my 4 year old box should be well able for it.

We should all celebrate with some unix forum online mayhem when it comes out.

Ahh well should be alright then. Mine's a Vaio Laptop with 6 gig ram, 2.53 dual core and a ati hd 4565 (?) graphics card.

I just haven't played games on it for over a year, other than old nes emulators.

Khannie · 16-08-2012 9:32am

Ste_JDM wrote: »

Gabe has all the money!

I wonder if he has enough to compete with whatever store microsoft are going to have on windows 8 though. I'd hate to see valve get shafted. They've been an innovative company since day one.

bpb101 · 17-08-2012 10:06pm

Our long awaited beta is coming soon
"we will have betas for Steam for Linux and Steam Big Play fairly soon."

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2MTk

the video mentioned in post by phoronix
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/ncis3o/gt-tv-valve

Ste_JDM · 17-08-2012 10:20pm

Update:

Guys. Make sure you email the linuxteam to ensure you are part of the beta. I think it is a closed beta firstly

valvelinuxteam@valvesoftware.com

bpb101 · 17-08-2012 10:25pm

Ste_JDM wrote: »

Update:

Guys. Make sure you email the linuxteam to ensure you are part of the beta. I think it is a closed beta firstly

valvelinuxteam@valvesoftware.com

are you just randomly suggesting this or did u read something telling you to do it?

BobbyPropane · 17-08-2012 11:45pm

Linux is about free open software. Why encourage the opposite?

bpb101 · 18-08-2012 2:00am

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Linux is about free open software. Why encourage the opposite?

Jesus Christ , nor another troll
Go complain to ubuntu software centre and complain there

Ste_JDM · 18-08-2012 5:47pm

bpb101 wrote: »

are you just randomly suggesting this or did u read something telling you to do it?

I read the first post in the valve linux blog. Its right there. Cant believe I missed it the first time. D'oh

Ste_JDM · 18-08-2012 5:48pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Linux is about free open software. Why encourage the opposite?

If that is your understanding then Android OS should never exist.

BobbyPropane · 18-08-2012 5:52pm

Why get so mad? Its the truth as told by Stallman himself.

Ste_JDM · 18-08-2012 6:01pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Why get so mad? Its the truth as told by Stallman himself.

As above. Stallman didnt invent Linux. The Free Software Foundation and Linus do not see eye to eye. Open Source and close Source are like Day and Night. Both are needed to keep balance. Stallman is idealist which is good to a degree but not viable in todays society.

If you really believe you are right then stop using linux. Stallman did have a GNU OS somewhere. Use that.

BobbyPropane · 18-08-2012 7:25pm

Ste_JDM wrote: »

As above. Stallman didnt invent Linux. The Free Software Foundation and Linus do not see eye to eye. Open Source and close Source are like Day and Night. Both are needed to keep balance. Stallman is idealist which is good to a degree but not viable in todays society.

If you really believe you are right then stop using linux. Stallman did have a GNU OS somewhere. Use that.

The development of Linux is one of the most prominent examples of free and open source software collaboration: the underlying source code may be used, modified, and distributed—commercially or non-commercially—by anyone under licenses such as the GNU General Public License

GNU. Stallman.

bpb101 · 18-08-2012 10:25pm

Ste_JDM wrote: »

I read the first post in the valve linux blog. Its right there. Cant believe I missed it the first time. D'oh

all i see about email is this
"we’d love to hear your opinions about the blog so shoot us an email."

IS this what ur talking about .
I might have missed it too, but thats all i saw

timbyr · 18-08-2012 10:32pm

BobbyPropane wrote: »

The development of Linux is one of the most prominent examples of free and open source software collaboration: the underlying source code may be used, modified, and distributed—commercially or non-commercially—by anyone under licenses such as the GNU General Public License

GNU. Stallman.

What is your point here.

Linus Torvalds doesn't subscribe to the same notions of "free software" that Stallman does. You can't just attribute Linux to GNU and Stallman.

Linus rejection of the GPLv3 is good example here, as he is pretty accepting of proprietary software being used with the Linux kernel rather than restrict users of the software.

I agree more with Linus' interpretation of free software far more than Stallman's.

Ste_JDM · 19-08-2012 12:59am

bpb101 wrote: »

all i see about email is this
"we’d love to hear your opinions about the blog so shoot us an email."

IS this what ur talking about .
I might have missed it too, but thats all i saw

Yeah thats it. I came across people talking about it on r/linuxgaming over on reddit so i thought i would let folk know here. I emailed them and got a reply that Ive been added to the list.

bpb101 · 19-08-2012 1:00am

for me, i aggree with open soucrce , but at the end of the day . for a company like valve , they have to assure that at the end of the month they can pay there staff and there staff can feed there family.

thats it , its okay for a project on the side like tux racer to be open source
but titles that take hundreds of people working full time day and night for years , how else can they make money , Give people lessons on how to play ? ????

places like valve make it as open as they can by giving mod tools aways , but they need to get paid...

the reason why something like the steam client is not open sourced is to be controlled as 1 client ,and everybody playing the same version and so on

Melanoma · 19-08-2012 1:15am

Cant they just work games on the cloud so it donna matter what platform os you use?

bpb101 · 19-08-2012 1:19am

Melanoma wrote: »

Cant they just work games on the cloud so it donna matter what platform os you use?

but your computer still needs to be told how to decacate what amount of processor and what not

going to be honest, haven't got a bog on cloud computing

bpb101 · 19-08-2012 1:34am

Ste_JDM wrote: »

Yeah thats it. I came across people talking about it on r/linuxgaming over on reddit so i thought i would let folk know here. I emailed them and got a reply that Ive been added to the list.

sent an email there , just saying great to hear that your supporting linux blah blah blah
any chance of getting on this beta yoke

of course much nicer said

BopNiblets · 19-08-2012 1:38am

Ste_JDM wrote: »

Update:

Guys. Make sure you email the linuxteam to ensure you are part of the beta. I think it is a closed beta firstly

valvelinuxteam@valvesoftware.com

Is it just Steam beta? What games will be with it, I'm not sure what the Big Play is?

Ste_JDM · 19-08-2012 3:13pm

BopNiblets wrote: »

Is it just Steam beta? What games will be with it, I'm not sure what the Big Play is?

Beta soon. The first game available will be left4dead2

http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/

RUCKING FETARD · 27-08-2012 1:54am

http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

Ste_JDM · 28-08-2012 1:58pm

RUCKING FETARD wrote: »

http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

And? Does not matter if Windows 8 is great or not. Steam on Linux is why we are here in this topic.

Do you assume we all use Windows?..true to a high degree but this is about linux and the next big step in its evolution.. Steam being one of the biggest outlets for gaming these days.

bpb101 · 28-08-2012 5:36pm

bpb101 wrote: »

sent an email there , just saying great to hear that your supporting linux blah blah blah
any chance of getting on this beta yoke

of course much nicer said

Quoting myself , thats weird , however

never got a replay from them, i feal sad now

any body got any news on steam for linux

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