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Cork GAA Discussion Thread
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Aghinagh beat canovee by a few points0
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One ten to nine points in favour aghinagh0
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The Cats so in the All Ireland final,as i thought.Never in any doubt imo despite, some ,not all to be fair ,in limerick like our footballers,will cling to a moral victory,which isnt much good,limerick had a golden chance in monsoon weather,with their fire and passion,couldnt beat kilkenny.In a game suited to their strengths,still couldnt win a game in conditions taoilered made for an upset.It was an opportunity lost,thats the reality.
I believe the better team won.I feel for Ger cunningham and Donal O grady,both who could have managed limerick,imo if either in was in charge would have taken their chance today.
But as cork in 99 in semi final v offaly and final v kilkenny,2005 all ireland final win v waterford in wet conditions you still need a bit of poise and tactical astutness as heart and passion as commendable as is,is not enough as even ger loughanne said on its own,you need tactical nous also at intercounty.Kilkennys subs all made impacts.A vital lesson for cork next sunday in yesterdays game.Next sunday is going to be so titantic of a battle,match ups and subs is the winning and loosing of the game for cork.
The Weather imo influenced margin of victory by a superior outfit both on and off the field.
In that weather, it was always going to be close imo.Seeing 12 cats defending a lead shows that,normally go for the juglar but in that weather had to be conserative gainst their true nature so I dont believe kilkenny are struggling.There beatable but the game imo showed how resilent they are even in awful weather.To beat them,you must start the best 15,have real depth on the bench,a plan a and b and make ruthless calls on the sideline.If we beat tipp,we should have those qualties,but must simply must have a plan b .
Cork have two huge tests ahead to win an all ireland
This game i mention here as it is a huge relevance to cork,as imo limerick are one style the way they play,imo were no real threat to cork in the Munster final this year as cork knew what they would face, a direct style and Cork must not get carried away with the munster final win.Tipp,not the finished article yet will test us in aeras limerick did not.Tipp with Gary ryan as trainer have real real pace in the legs and in their hurling and variation,far more elgant and elusive with ball in hand and more than capable of going toe to toe in a shootout with us and Sheedy was working behind the scences with them gives them an edge on the sideline limerick never had.A lot of work to be done,but the emotion and huge expectation that clearly affected cork in the pairc wont be there in croke park.
And it is likely tipp will play maher as a sweeper at times.
This is a strong tipp team,have improved since the ist game loss,imo were the much better team in that game,didnt take their chances.Remember they pushed kilkenny all the way in the league final .Kilkenny seem to have their number,but that wont affect their mentailty v cork who they are unbeaten to in the championship the last four years ,have beaten us.at minor and u21. I wouldnt rule out a draw.
Most astute pundits,bookies had cork as favourites to win the Munster final,a mantle that team had not had before.We struggled,understandably with the favourisitm in the ist half,poor ist touch etc,but came through, always a good sign of a team
The tipp game,bookies,pundits know tipp have a real chance,it will suit cork.Many cork fans wont be shocked if we loose as there is little between the teams
Also , my worry is kilkenny will come on leaps bounds from today but if ,we beat tipp,a huge test and by no means a certainty at all at all, we got to be at our best,lehane,cooper,harnedy have pace to trouble kilkennys lack of pace inside,and delaney as great as he is was in trouble with Dowling at times.Not many,if any will get the better of JJ delaney for a full game,to limit him would do.As sean og halpin said,when JJ even has an average day,he is so good,it is still enough in a game.
If we beat tipp, it is absoultey vital cronin is fit,we wont win without him.Its guaranteed kilkenny imo will make at least two changes for the final.Kilkenny will improve from yesterday again.
Also this game was a huge relevance to cork as again it showed up how poor.james mccgath is as a referee and if we make the final,i hope he isnt the ref as hes liable to do anything on hes day if we get to the final.
I think its great kilkenny are in the final from corks view,as cork kilkenny finals are great occassions,easier get tickets than if limerick was there,but as much as a huge ask,it would suit cork to be underdogs,and kilkenny bring the best out of us and kilkennys style suits us.
The 1939 thunder and lightening final,the 1969 final which was ,the last 60 minute final,1972 final the only 80 minute final between us,were all great occasions bar we lost all three.1966 was also special winning with six u21 players ,1999 also ending a nine year famine 2003 for them,the year after we deprived them three in a row,but in 2006 they done likewise.We won in 1978 beating them to win 3 in row.
In finals the record is around 13-8 or something around that.
In championship it stands 15 to ten to the cats.
There is something magical,about a cork and kilkenny all ireland final.
At the start of the year id have feared a hammering but once cahalane is at full back,half back is fine we now have a midfield and a half forward line ,we have a realistic chance,as we have a better manager,and selection team with better forwards on the field and on the bench than what kilkenny faced at any point all year against any other team
And it would be some all ireland to win to beat the two of the top along the way in the roll of honour,kilkenny, and tipp,and beat clare,all ireland champions.Add in two other munster teams,a young waterford in transition(will in 2 years be a serious side),and beating a limerick team to be fair full of pride,and passion.A huge incentive for Cork now ,not that we needed any,to make the final.
Lesson from yesterday is subs win you games and goals and tactical nous to make the right changes.
The starting 15 picks itself next week,crucical we get the match day 24 right.Thats absoultey crucical.Bar injury,there wont be any changes.The subs shall be interesting.
Also it took kilkenny 25,minutes after the five week lay off to get to the pace of the game.
They gave limerick a headstart we cant give to tippereary.
The key next week in Cork,Tipp is slow down at every oppurtunity the tempo of the game and games flow at every opportunity,,cant afford to chase a big lead to tippereary.Get to half time ,close to them,we have a great chance of winning then .
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Who is the referee for next sunday? Hopefully someone that will as they say'let the game flow' I don't believe this Cork team will be up for it if the ref gives the players a bit of leeway.0
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realdanbreen wrote: »Who is the referee for next sunday? Hopefully someone that will as they say'let the game flow' I don't believe this Cork team will be up for it if the ref gives the players a bit of leeway.
James Owens.
Will he award frees for Cronin falling around the place like a drunk giraffe ?0 -
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Tippeary were in Carlton House for a bit ,there fully prepared for us
They were beaten by Galway u21 team in a challenge match ,the result being immaterial,more significant is a lot of fringe team players,likes of Colin Rordain have been involved.Riordain wont start,but hes fitness is fine from being with the football,and so is hes temparment.Hes been hurling at school and club all year so hes not coming in cold.Hes well able to win ball,powerfully built also.
The Galway minors beat the Galway u21 in a challenge match,and Cork intermediates beat galway u21 team,after a tough game,so results in challenges are not key its performance of certain lads in certain positions that is more important.
Glesson their keeper is certainly beatable.Good news for Cork that Darragh Egan wont start.Cahill and Barrett or stapelton are up with the best in the country,as theres such a list ,but their like Hickey,Tyrell,Morey,O Neill,Maccie in terms of quailty.
Barret is superb,tenacious,fast,no fear,and outstanding at senior and u21 all year.
It will be interesting who plays full back.Barry outstanding for UCC,Cork know all about him,im not sure if he is a full back.
If Maher plays their ,hes solid,but hes a huge loss outside at half back.
Half back,will be interesting who starts.
Bergin,i hope starts,Lehane be ideal to take him on.
Mahony im a huge fan but i dont think he is the player he was.
Cooper id have on Padraic Maher,just to limit him,he wont dominate him and Harnedy for Brendan Maher.Brendan was superb at midfield in 2012,getting two fine points.He can Score from distance.
Their midfield is solid if it is.Mcgrath,and Woodlock but we have faced better midfields. This pairing would actually suit Kearney and Mcloughin as both the tipp lads are runners,and skilful than phyiscal compared to James Ryan etc.Lorchan played well v tipp in 2012,at midfield.He was majestic,had 14 plays,covered acres of ground and while Mccgrath was good,Lorchan more than held hes own.
However id leave Lorchan at 7,and Walsh at midfield.
Cahalane has to start at full back,and stay there on Callian.Callilan is top scorer in the league,championship he excelled ,and the best club forward in Tipp,but in big games,when the need is greatest as shown v Kilkenny in the league final,im not convinced by him.
Cahalane has the aggression for him.Callilan always tends to play well against Cork though.
Id put O Neill on Corbett.
Cahalane clearly was hindered by injury in the last game ,he must start as Shane O Neill cant go back to full back for a full game either as he had superb game against Limerick but he was in awful trouble regards High balls in the square at times v Dowling.
Cork can ill afford have Mcdonnell in there against Tipp as Callilan loves nice hurlers.Cahalane has the nastyniess and Presence to stop him.Is everything that Callinan doesnt like.
Mcdonnell is capable of marking Lar,but Corbett drifts to the square and is good under a high ball so O Neill is the man ,as while not perfect,a safer bet in there than Maccie.
Credit JBM for looking at the Clare game and keeping maccie away from the square at all Costs .He had superb 4 games for Cork now,shoe in for all star,but against Clare when Cahalane went out he went in and imo he directly fault Clare two goals as like i said time and again he has zero confidence in the square and doesnt stand tall in defending.
Ellis ,The lad proved me wrong.I didnt rate him at all,u21 game 2011 cleaned out,and league okay at best.JBM got that spot on.Hes been truly superb,he always had a lovely body,in its beautifully toned for an athelte.I said that before.But he's hurling sharpness and he has gained a yard of pace hes been unbelievable.Matthews has been doing a lot of work with Corks speed and Ellis has benfited.He looks a yard faster.Still not blessed with raw pace,he does not need it,Brian Hogan of has not Great pace either.
He's reading of the game has been superb.Matthews is terrfic trainer and has lads in tip top shape.
I would not put Ellis on Maher though.Id have Joyce,with Walsh dropping deep on Tipp puckouts,to double team him.
When a young Cork team,in year one under JBM,ran Tipp to a point in 2012,our inability to take one of our three goal chances ,the failure when they had a man sent off to counter ito,but Crucially our failure to Curb Bonnar Maher lost us the game.
From his 17 possesions, Maher created five points ,won a free.and he also made their goal when he cleaned out both Tom Kenny and Cadogan,and won a great ball.Cork got to mark him.He is what Paul O.Connell ,is to Munster,Messi to Argentina,Keane to United,etc,he is the engine that drives them.
Ellis to mark Mcgrath.Lorchan for Dwyer, if Noel starts at half forward, they may go with Niall O Meara in the corner ,who if fit from injury,Mcdonnell well able for him who got a goal in the league game,and I rate him higely.
Its not certain what team Tipp will play yet,so until we know for definte its hard to know the match ups.
In that 2012 game our last meeting in championship,We got cleaned out at half back,Cadogans.touch was awful,and we had a half foward line of Naughton,One ball winner in Cronin and a raw Lehane yet we competed in the puck outs
and lost just that aera,27-26.
Tipp half back line even if the two mahers start,is hardly much better than 2012,Maher ,and O Mahony,but with Walsh ,Cooper,Harndey in that aera,we are much stronger.
They had Gearoid Ryan,Maher,Pa Bourke.Dwyer is not a serial ball winner.My point is while depending who starts,the unit wont be stronger than back then,at best at good,but our half back line,a new unit in joyce,ellis,and lorchan is much better than our 2012,unit,Kenny(never suitable.for half back),Cadogan and Egan.
We should at the very least break even in puckouts.
Intensity in tackling and hooking and blocking is key,as both Kilkenny and Limerick forwards were immense in that regard yesterday.Cork in 2012 won the stats 26-to 19.The reason we lost then,and like Limerick yesterday,was then we had no forwards to break down Tipps sweeper ,like Limerick couldnt break down the Cats mass defence.However Cork have real firepower,in Cads,Lehane,Horgan,Harnedy and a real bench in Coughlan,Paudie,and Moylan.Our workrate,tackling and blocking,this year by all the forwards has been terrific,but in particular,Cadogan,Harnedy,Cooper.It.needs to be the same Sunday.
Corks training,and A v B games are.going well.
If i was JBM,Id play the intermediate Cork team early during the week,as the Intermediate Champs are fit,well trained and a good workout for our lads.Id also tell some of the Intermediate team,that their playing for a panel place for sunday,and the league panel next year to bring real intensity to it.
Id pick certain lads in similar positions, try to replicate to as close as possible what
Tipp will bring ,and I wouldnt have the full ntermediate team,in id throw in a few senior,u21 lads to strengthen it,to make it as strong as possible.
Id have the game for just 50 minutes with Kingston the Ref but everything goes type of rules,dont blow for soft frees.There is a risk we get injuries,but we have a five week game we have to have a blow out to dust away the cobwebs
To play the senior team in a trial match id have,
Mccarthy,Conor Sullivan,Spillane,Burke,Jamie Nagle(teak tough and hurling similar to Maher,Egan,Murphy,O Shea,Drake,Mark Sugrue,Michael Sullivan(similar to Maher,run all over the place,good in the air)Jamie Coughlan(real pace similar to Bubbles in he can pick.off points from distance,Moylan Paudie,And Anthony Spillane.If Luke is fit,he would be ideal in the trial game.
Paudie ,or luke play from the front,super touch,so test cahalane that.way.
Then bomb in high balls,so high they gather snow ,with Spillane on him.Swap harnedy from the b team also to test him.Cahalane must be ready,if he survies Cork are in pole position.0 -
Interesting read on the match ups TTM but I'd differ with you slightly.
I'd expect Tipp to line out as follows in the forwards.
McGrath
Bubbles - Bonnar -Ryan
Corbett - Callinan
If this is the case I'd prefer to see Cork do as they have previously and move Cahalane to wing back, Joyce centre onto Bonnar with Ellis sweeping. I'd have O'Neill on Callinan and Maccie on Corbett.
I think this suits Cork if it happens. O'Neill has the nastiness in his game that I think Callinan doesn't quite fancy. Maccie has the hurling and speed for Corbett.
Out the field, I'd be hoping Joyce would do a similar job to Bonnar as he did to Hannon. He's our most athletic defender and may be able to keep up with him. Ellis has been superb as the sweeper so no reason to change.
My big worry is if Tipp line out 15 on 15 with 3 inside forwards.
If this happens I'd be worried for Ellis as he'll either have to try and keep up with Bonnar or move to wing back. Not sure he can do either.
I'd also be worried about Cahalane in full back on Callinan. He looked a bit ropey at times against him in the league and I'd be afraid Callinan may be a bit too cute for him. Don't forget that Cahalane has only really played one game as a full back this championship. Played elsewhere against Clare and Limerick.
Midfield will be a battle as Woodlock and McGrath are seasoned campaigners and very wiley but I feel we should have an upper hand there.
It's hard to comment on the forwards as Tipp are a little unsettled there as well as not knowing if Cronin will make it. If he doesn't I wonder will Harnedy move into full forward, particularly to target Barry if he is positioned in full back?0 -
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Id agree Figsy to a point.
I totally totally agree with what you say regards Mcdonnell and O'Neill
Maccie has speed ,touch,and hurling,he played minor All Ireland Final v Tipperary at midfield
I have no problem with shane on callian,but problem is as wexford.in the league,challenge in Knowlan Park v Wexford,Kilkenny in 2012,Dublin last year,Clare when Cahalane moved out,Mcdonnell was brutally exposed in the square.
Lar.will drag him in there ,o neill better to deal with him.
If Mcdonnell is one v one.,in the.square,hes not confident in there and will roast him in there,make a.great corner back look poor.
Imo for those reasons cant mark lar
Cahalane,had no hurling up to the league game,but much better now cute enough to hold Downes in u21 2011,and Pa Horgan twice in the cork county championship.
A man for the big occassion,fast,tough,commanding ideal for him.
If hes concedes a few point fine just stay goalside,no goals ill be very happy.
I agree re Maher.
I hope Tipp go 15.v 15,its if they,i think they will play a sweeper is more of a concern. ,
Its also imo absoultey crucial Spillane is a sub as if Cahalane gets injured or struggled we need natural cover,as O Ssullivan and Burke are two fine corner backs,pure hurling but lack aggression ,aerial reliabily and solidity,a commanding presence ,no nonense style of hurling,all of which Colm Spillane has.
When the panel is announced Thursday evening I hope he is in there,as we do not need two corner backs ,but more importanly we need a natural full back on the subs bench.Spillane form is superb and.hes confidence is sky high at the present time.
I agree harnedy going to full forward if cronins out,but that negates our strongest line,id leave him there.
Hes not mobile but Cian for a half just to hang at.14,can win ball.Not ideal and imo will struggle to make next years panel but we dont have many options ,as id prefer paudie as a sub.Cian is good under the high ball and if barry is in their could do a job for a half,unleash pebbles then.0 -
Yeah I take the point re McDonnell. It's why he can't play full back unfortunately.
Where we seem to be differing is you seem to have a good bit of faith in Cahalane where I'm not fully convinced by him yet. I don't doubt his temperament, physicality or commitment but just not sure he has the pure hurling to survive! Hopefully you're right and he'll prove me wrong!
The full forward spot is a hard one to call. I wouldn't be considering Cian Mc personally. A completely off the wall suggestion may be Egan to 7, Lorcan to midfield, Walsh to 10 and Harnedy inside. Looks good on paper but disrupting so many players probably wouldn't be a great idea though, especially when they've looked so solid and settled this year.
If I had to make a decision I'd probably just bring in Pebbles and start him inside and switching him with Harnedy if it isn't working.
I'd have Spillane on the bench without question.0 -
The moves you had imo could work as lorchan will be suited by tipp,and he had hes best ever game in midfield v tipp in 2012
Egan if he turns up,could do a job,but we cant be sure,he was poor in 2012
Walsh would be fine at ten.
As you say ,make 3 changes for 1 is risky.
If cronin is out they will go with pebbles id say.
One other option is jamie in for walsh,coughlan be fine against tipps midfield,walsh at ten,and harnedy at 14.
I see your point with cahalane,i just feels hes the best we got for now.Spillane injuries robbed us of him this year.
Full back could be a problem next year as cahalane i feel will stick to one code,football.
Its vital,spillane gets games,try jack sheehan also.At least in div 1 next year we face top full forwards,ideal to test a new full back and get him ready for championship.
If cahalane works ,as i always feared it could be just a short term soulution to a long standing problem,as he is going to have pick a code,soon enough,its likely and understandable he will choose football.0 -
Mark Collins has joined up with the hurlers according to Crowley0
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http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/08/12/cronin-learn-fate-tonight/
Complete madness ino,mark collins has joined the extended panel.The dual issue is becoming a joke.Christ above we have two dual lads from douglas with no league games really,limited club hurling games but training with cork.
He wont make the match day 24 buts it is clearly a sign for next year.
If when he played minor,he was good at best hardly better whats availble.
Mark sugrue,Anthony spillane,Kevin o keoffe,michael sullivan,Peter O Brien,David drake etc.
If Colm spillane,michael sullivan,Cormac Murphy dont.make match day 24 after busting their balls all year at senior panel,u21 or intermediate,yet A lad with no intercouny hurling in nearly 3 years walks on the extended panel its a joke
What message does that send to our recently crowned all ireland intermediate champions,with lads aiming to make the senior panel.It means form means nothing,we take dual players.
Im a huge fan of collins,as a footballer backed him many times here,but he is not a senior intercounty hurler.
Could have five duals stars next year as why include him unless he is part of next year plans.
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Jamie nagle best left half back in cork the last two years cant even get a panel place yet we facilate others.
Imo terrible,call from jbm.
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Jamie nagle best left half back in cork the last two years cant even get a panel place yet we facilate others.
Imo terrible,call from jbm.
Cork football needs collins next year the hurers dont
It has nothing to do with 2014, this is the message for 2015 - 'dual' players will be hurling focused, walsh, both cadogans, Collins, cahalane.
Lads colm spillane is not on the squad so how can he be selected for sunday?0 -
It has nothing to do with 2014, this is the message for 2015 - 'dual' players will be hurling focused, walsh, both cadogans, Collins, cahalane.
Lads colm spillane is not on the squad so how can he be selected for sunday?
I haven't seen Collins pay more than 4 or 5 times but I never would have considered him good enough for Senior Intercounty based on those performances.
If Collins is called in it shouldn't be too difficult for Spillane to be called in also I'd presume!0 -
Collins is obivously being called in over fears for cronin,and over six feet is a target man i would suspect is their reasoning behind it.
Simply wont work imo.He won a munster minor with cork in 2008, just played i think one u 21 game,tipp beat us in cork 2009,the same james barry didnt give him a ball then he went off.If he was that good you would think he would have joined hes club men harringtion and moylan on cork intermediate team.
Good for douglas hardly standing out imo.Against newtown he had a fine game last year ,but Conor Twomey.a fine player,still a minor then couldnt cope with hes strength was subbed.He got a goal .
He got a goal v ballymartle late on,but was pretty much out of that game.
Is fast,mobile etc but unless commits soley hurling next year shouldnt be in the hurling scence.
Peter o brien ,is not intercounty level at half forward but if cronin outs ,worth s panel place ahead of collins ,as in the air,he is a ball winner.
Mark sugrue is tall and strong,a far better hurler imo.
On the extended football panel,but would be hurling ,such is the football talent ahead of him.
At least hes not established footballer,that like collins be a huge loss to them.
Michael o sullivan a better midfielder,half forward ,better at 14 ,fully committed hurler played there at times for cit,tracton etc a better option.
Im not a great fan of cian mac starting but at full forward id have him any day over collins,better in the air.
At 14,may get away with hes lack of pace and mobilty.
I was from day one, against dualism bar walsh,and the view was ah lets see how it goes,cubby has no choice stay with it,lets give it time managers believe its workable,players choice etc,look where we are at now.
Five dual players next year,as cadogan isnt needed up front as great as he is would be at football,we have forwards but he will join next year you would think.
Dublin flying in football,on course for two in a row ,Gavin wont allow even any possible hurlers talk to Daly about hurling, it is simply not up for debate yet Cork allow 5 dual players.
I would be sickened if i was an intercounty hurler dropped from the panel,during the year,training all year,league etc.,then lad comes.straight in from the cold,hasnt hurled since 2010 intercounty,cork.
When a player dropped like white,cussen etc ,they can have no excuse as had many chances but when you have lads brought in from the cold its just wrong on the.other side of it.
Killan murphy imo was disgracefully treated,played v.tipp in a.challenge before the league,played in most league games,and played well yet he was then dropped.
Eoin keane gave up the football,to focus on hurling.
He was Outstanding minor,u21 for cork,superb with cit,we play him out of position(said the night before he could get roasted)at half back in the league v tipp, and unfortunately he got well beaten.
Then with confidence understandbly rock bottom we play him full back v limerick in a challenge,where we should of played him in the first place imo,he got cleaned out,then imo unfairly dropped from the panel.He Wasnt going to start,but i would have kept him on the panel.
Paudie murray cork camoige coach,brother cork hurler kevin,won an all ireland junior football with cork,caused a bit of stir by calling up footballer angela walsh and ireland soccer player amy o connor to the current squad
In hes defence hes squad lacks depth and options.
Amy played minor camoige this year for cork so id say its justifed in a way.
Collins scenario is compeltely different as jbm has better options availbe and unlike o.connor hasnt played for cork hurling in any code in FOUR YEARS as far as im aware.
Colm spillane ,Sean was involved earlier but got injured,My point is he Should be involved now.
I agree and i said it in my post,he wont make it sunday,but collins will be their next year
I joked we might as well call up collins in May,in whos next scenario.
That joke bore fruit now.
Who next is on jbms list?
Ken o halloran munster u 21 hurling winner keeper 2008
Colm O Neill asked before but declined to join.
Limerick minor hurlers made it clear,no dual players this year under wallace and company.
Thats why they will beat galway sunday and imo win the minor all ireland as there ruthless and one hundred per cent hurling,no other sideshows.
Im not sure spillane ,murphy will.make the panel,as logic at times goes out the window as collins inclusion is not even a bolt from the blue but a strange unjustifed call imo.
Seriously ,with all dual lads why not thank cuthbhert for hes effort,make jbm manager of both,far easier to do than play both ,something goods comes out of dualiam ,as jbm would do better with the footballers.
Dualism imo is a complete circus of a situation developing.
Can the haven boys or Blackrock posters here confirm,?,Is Mark nephew to Former 2006 cork senior selector Donie a castle haven man,played and got a goal,in one of four senior all ireland club titles with the rockies won a national league with cork,u21 all ireland with cork and sub for the last two minutes of the 1972 senior all ireland final that cork lost,an epic final,we should of won.Donie was a fine forward.0 -
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TTM, he is a nephew to donie a selector with Gerard a few years ago. Oneill will be targeted again by the hurling management after the all Ireland if he remains fit, make no doubt about it. Collins was asked after the Kerry debacle to give an indication of the camaraderie between both managements. I understand at least one selector will walk over the dual issue and I don't blame him, if your hands are tied behind your back why bother.0
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Thanks sean i thought as much with being related to donie
I heard two selectors are reviewing their position
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Thanks sean i thought as much with being related to donie
I heard two selectors are reviewing their position
Sean ,your a poster very knowagble,how do you rate collins as a hurler?
I have seen very little of douglas in recent years, I remember Collins as a wing forward down the pairc a few years ago vs tipp in 2010. His only job that night seemed to work hard and make life uncomfortable for a serious tipp team which went onto win the all Ireland. He certainly did not stand out, and its obvious that he has prioritised football for the last 4 years.
He is not an option for this year, this is simply JBM et al marking their territory for next year, an eay target of course as the castlehaven players in particular have no time for cuthbert0 -
TTM, he is a nephew to donie a selector with Gerard a few years ago. Oneill will be targeted again by the hurling management after the all Ireland if he remains fit, make no doubt about it. Collins was asked after the Kerry debacle to give an indication of the camaraderie between both managements. I understand at least one selector will walk over the dual issue and I don't blame him, if your hands are tied behind your back why bother.
It's great to see a bit of disharmony in the rebel camp a few days before the match. Losing twice to clare twice in '07 was bad,but losing to the old enemy in the first all ireland semi final between the two would be worse.0 -
TTM will agree that Cork have oceans of talent coming through with the cream of the crop split between the u15 and u16 squads. The famine amy come to an end in the near future. They have oceans of skill pace and power I witnessed a recent game between the aforementiond squads and it was awesome. I will mention no names but all have been mentioned on this thread before. Mark my words the structure is now there to get them through.
Anybody have an opinion on the upcoming Premier 1 u16 Final Sars vs Na Parsaigh. This could be a cracker. Same match up as the feile final in 2012 where Sars came out on top by a point. At least 7 cork u16s on view.0 -
Anybody have an opinion on the upcoming Premier 1 u16 Final Sars vs Na Parsaigh. This could be a cracker. Same match up as the feile final in 2012 where Sars came out on top by a point. At least 7 cork u16s on view.
As far as I know that Sars team have not lost a game since they were 12. They had at least 6 in their very impressive minor side that shocked Blackrock. I'd say it would be hard to bet against them!0 -
Seventh,that should be a cracing u 16 final ,Sars be huge favourites,with a possible full forward line of Tristsan O Leary,Jack O Connor,both cork players top forwards.Colin Looney joins the list of other top class young goalies for cork.Shane o driscoll also with cork,a fine hurler.
Daniel gunning for na piarsaigh and killlan ahern are two excellent hurlers i rate extremely highely.
Is kyle power eligable also?a fine hurler.
Should be a classic if the weather is good,na piarsaigh will test Sarsfields.
Cork minor,u21,future senior goal keeper Pa collins got 8 points for ballinshsig from half forward in the intermediate hurling the weekend.Cork intermediates have to field a bran new team next year,and by playing at this grade with club next year he is eligble for Cork Intermediate hurlers and a certainty to start as keeper imo barring injury.0 -
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A great interview with kearney
An interview with the Magnificent Le Chin today, relevant to cork thread imo,as he says no way is he doing dual next year,It cant be done. http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/no-dual-mandate-for-chin-as-wexford-target-leinster-glory-30503868.html
Tipp to name their name tommorrow,word is O Mahony wont start,imo that happens will barry will be full back,maher at half back.We need cronin to be fit
Tippereary done their last full training session last night behind closed doors,they know the team for Sunday.
Thursday is open to the public,that justs like a marathon runner days before hes race, going for a short run,just a taper session,no tempo or tactics in the run,Tipp be same thursday just a puck around,meet the fans etc.
Weather for Sunday is meant to be wet and slippery at times.Rain doesnt bother me,Cork have phyiscailty,and tipp have as much pace we do if it slows us down, it slows tipp also.
It will slow the opening half down,suit us imo.It would also be ideal for Ellis to hold down the centre,less movement from Tipp if it is wet and questions remain can tipp win a dogfight.We know our lads under JBM,have characther,and resilence,to grind it out.0 -
I agree with you 100% We ran Sars close in the semi final we just ran out of steam in the last 10 mins. Historically Sars should be hot favorites but I have a sneaky feeling that Na Parsaigh will turn them over. Sars have a super inside forward line but Na Parsaigh have pace and power all over the field. Gunning is a match winner and Evan Sheehan is in super form. Ahern will drive them from midfield, huge engine should have a serious tussle with Shane O Driscoll. Strangley both these young fellas played on a supposed Cork b u 16 selection against Waterford in Dublin at the weekend. Ahern scored 1-2 from play and O' Driscoll had three points from half back. For the life of me I cannot understand how these two can be left off an A panel. It is difficult to understand lots of talent in the squad but these two guys B players, I think not. Very strange perhaps there is a greater plan at work. With the loss of Garan Manley and Adam O Sullivan to soccer one would think the powers that be would be vigiliant. Both kids serious athletes would be useful additions to other codes.0
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Id agree seventh ,the talent coming through is awesome,no exaggeration.Rock u16s are a fine team for cork.
Evan sheehan is good also.
Garan and Evan both big losses to cork but thats the nature we face,im not sure much can be done if they want to go,but wish them the best in the new sport.
Kevin taylor mallow,with cork football plays soccer in cork,and many other examples so the risk is there they go to other sports.
Amy o connor minor,senior camoige,plays soccer with ireland.
Thats always there many sports stars have gaa background ,Irelands ladies rubgy team is the same niamh briggs was a waterford gaelic footballer for example.
Ye have fine talent in hurling in douglas Connor Russell ,kabia,Kingston boys,Ward,Dolan ,o connor etc
Yere doing trojan work at underage.
Flahive in football,power imo will be cork seniors in three years.Two top talents,
Is eoin cotter cork football ,still away or is he back
Imo a top corner back,and senior intercounty standard.
The dual lark certainly isnt a great sign for future senior talent imo,we will accodmate half committed lads in most cases than fully committed hurlers.0 -
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Cronin is fit for sunday,Brillant news
All we need is a half
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Cronin is fit for sunday,Brillant news
All we need is a half
Barry going to start for tipp so cronin is ideal
+1. Tipp haven't nailed down the FB position yet. If Pa get's some high balls he could silence some of his critics.0 -
realdanbreen wrote: »It's great to see a bit of disharmony in the rebel camp a few days before the match. Losing twice to clare twice in '07 was bad,but losing to the old enemy in the first all ireland semi final between the two would be worse.
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Barry is a fine player but its not that he is poor under high ball,hes quite good,just as most half backs tend to do,there instinct is to attack the ball first and foremost,and often that can cause mistiming on occasion ,and their beaten to the ball.
Its not just skill,full back is all bout temparment and focus,as a full back barry is unproven in that regard.We wont know til sunday.
If maher had to go back in,he done well on cronin,we still get a benfit,as tipp loose in the half back line with him absent from there.
Colm barry for intermediates,supberb under a high ball at half back was not strong at full back for the u 21 team.Sean og halpin,great player,wouldnt made great full back,jj delaney however made the swtich effortless.Jj had the focus,concentration to do it.
Some half backs can make the swtich ,some cant.
Cronin,caused riche mac,problems,won at least four balls,and also gavin o mahony also.
Glynn of Galway caused Barry problems the last day.
Aiseake caused maher huge problems in 2010.
If pa doesnt score but wins four or five balls,creates scores and space for the other forwards and in general makes himself a real nusicance for even just one half against tipp sunday,hell help cork hughely.He always performs well against tipp and I have every faith he wiil again do likewise this sunday.
Tipp ,word is,will be glesson,barrett,barry,cahill,bergin,two mahers,mcgrath,woodlock,dwyer,bonner,ryan,mcgrath,callinan lar.We will know this eveing when the team is announced if that is the team.If it.is,its a strong team but certainly.beatable,but their main scoring forwards are,corbett ,callinam,mcgrath,and o.dywer with bonner and gearoid ryan doing the hard work ,graft,toil,winning ball and cr
eating space for the other four forwards imo.
Congrats Citykat on Kilkennys win sunday,imo withoubt any shadow of a doubt the better team,that played the better hurling that won out on the day,and had as much pride and passion as limerick,but more guile poise ,and tactial nous all Great teams essentially must have.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Barry is a fine player but its not that he is poor under high ball,hes quite good,just as most half backs tend to do,there instinct is to attack the ball first and foremost,and often that can cause mistiming on occasion ,and their beaten to the ball.
Its not just skill,full back is all bout temparment and focus,as a full back barry is unproven in that regard.We wont know til sunday.
If maher had to go back in,he done well on cronin,we still get a benfit,as tipp loose in the half back line with him absent from there.
Colm barry for intermediates,supberb under a high ball at half back was not strong at full back for the u 21 team.Sean og halpin,great player,wouldnt made great full back,jj delaney however made the swtich effortless.Jj had the focus,concentration to do it.
Some half backs can make the swtich ,some cant.
Cronin,caused riche mac,problems,won at least four balls,and also gavin o mahony also.
Glynn of Galway caused Barry problems the last day.
Aiseake caused maher huge problems in 2010.
If pa doesnt score but wins four or five balls,creates scores and space for the other forwards and in general makes himself a real nusicance for even just one half against tipp sunday,hell help cork hughely.He always performs well against tipp and I have every faith he wiil again do likewise this sunday.
Tipp ,word is,will be glesson,barrett,barry,cahill,bergin,two mahers,mcgrath,woodlock,dwyer,bonner,ryan,mcgrath,callinan lar.We will know this eveing when the team is announced if that is the team.If it.is,its a strong team but certainly.beatable,but their main scoring forwards are,corbett ,callinam,mcgrath,and o.dywer with bonner and gearoid ryan doing the hard work ,graft,toil,winning ball and cr
eating space for the other four forwards imo.
Congrats Citykat on Kilkennys win sunday,imo withoubt any shadow of a doubt the better team,that played the better hurling that won out on the day,and had as much pride and passion as limerick,but more guile poise ,and tactial nous all Great teams essentially must have.
Cheers TTM1. I'm not going to wish you luck on Sunday as I fully expect ye to win and I look forward to the showdown in Sept. I saw ye in the flesh dispatch Lk in old PUC. IMO ye beat them comfortably which doesn't reflect well on us. Ye beat us last year and are an even better team this year. Tipp can slice and dice whatever way they like. They're not good enough. Their manager is a spoofer. Unashamedly took credit for Sheedy's AI. Enjoy the game.0 -
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Tickets got, car will be full, confidence is reasonably high, hopefully come teatime Sunday we'll have a Cork v Kk final to look forward to!!0 -
Really worried for Sunday ,think we have been overrated because of the second half of the Munster final, limerick should have out of sight in the first 20 mins.Shane o Neil is not a full back and pa Cronin is nowhere near good enough for this level.The key will be the start if tipp get a run on us we are in big trouble.0
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I agree,We cant read much in the munster final,beating limerick was purely overcoming an obstacle in the way imo,get the game out of the way,then down to Real Business starting at 3.30 sunday.
I had zero fear of limerick in the lead up to the Munster final.I fear.tipp way more.This isnt being wise after the game,i geuinely didnt as i said many times my huge fear i. have with cork was beating sweeper system,limerick dont play that now and are too one dimenshoal and predictable.I still believe last years win by them was flawed,in up to 60 minutes just two points in it with 14 men ,and a Cork team depelted with Injury,Joyce out of position at midfield,Mcdonnell at 3,and Cork had a bench of Naughton and cussen,Yet they scraped home, the 7 points to corks zero in the last ten minutes.Tj
is not ruthless enough for a manager and im huge fan of Tom Ryan,unbelievable he didnt start.
To say limerick were good , i cant buy that.They were resilent,brave,dogged and had usual passion and fire and fury just like Sunday,but they had zero tactical nous and were poor to be frank .No goals in.two big games this year.
The Munster title was huge to Cork.as after loosing in 2010,2013,3 league finals a drawn all ireland and lost a final ,it was Imperative we won a final.However its just a stepping stone and I wouldnt get carried .Cork hurling cant like some celebrate Munster titles or.Moral Defeats as great things.
All Irelands Define Cork Hurling
Christy Ring(RIP) would not have it any other way.
In year 1 and 2 id have settled for that with our panel but in Year 3 with stronger panel we have a realistic chance of an all ireland and must drive on.Munster title is not much good now if we dont at least make the final.There is more in Cork.I wouldnt make not one change to the starting team going forward,tactics in Games is all thats going to beat us now.The style of play should be secondary ,wimning is what Counts.
Cork were poor in 1st touch in.the senior game,looked like had read too much of the papers and believed this was a Great limerick team,huge pressure of playing at home with Emotion of the Pairc clearly got to our lads and they were understandably nervous .They allowed Limerick too much space and back in the game at half time.
If it was in thurles im convinced we would have blown them out the gate.
In the 2nd half there was only going to be one winner.Limerick huffed and puffed like , full of Fire and Passion ,(i admire their energy and passion be fair to tj)but they couldnt adapt to the games flow and Jbm as i always said wins 15v 15 games.If cork were more ruthless could won this by ten points.Thats the worry with cork.If kilkenny had a dry day i feel would have won handy.
Corks had superb performances in o neill,mcdonnell,mcloughlin,joyce,kearney,walsh,lehane,Cooper,harnedy,and Ellis.
Cadogan had a superb game and young player of the year contender and has all star in the bag.
Harnedy what can i say that i have not said before,leader,warrior,brave,hungry,skill when the need is greatest he stands up.It was tear jerking stuff to at last see a cork forward with the balls and defiance to do what Kilkenny forwards do,break tackles dont go down easily and run direct at the goal and go for it,no soft scoring options in those positions.Watch limerick minors Sunday,Wallis has the forwardd,drilled,when you get the ball twenty yards out,do not run away from goal.Turn,go direct for goal.
Harnedy had a great replay v waterford getting three points and Was sick in the lead up to the ist day.
The only game in hes Ten championship starts at Senior For Cork he failed to score was v clare but he had a superb game,winning ball and creating so much.
He was superb against limerick and despite missing 3 scores got 1-2 v limerick.
He is a on course to win another All star if cork get to a final.
He scored 1- 6 ,from play so far this year in four games.If we get to the final,that will be six games,hes well on course to equaling that scoring return of 1-13 in six games last year.He like all Great sportstars does not entertain ideas of Second season Syndrome.
Our forwards , both starting and off the bench have huge scoring if they get good ball, they scored.around 3-48 from 5-96(just the forwards) all from play in four games which is impressive, and there is more in them I believe.A lot say JamesBarry in the league game at full back was excellent against us,yet We got four goals,hardly a full back then of excellence in imo just yet.
Our Defence sunday will be crucial.
Tippereary are a serious threat to Cork.They beat dublin in thurles and with a bit to spare.Dublin hade no where near the speed for them in open spaces of thurles I said at start of the year i didnt rate dublin,they have outgrown Daly,and have missed the boat.Bar Cronin for them whos outstanding they have not strengthed from last year.
Out of the teams left Cork are the only real danger to Kilkenny in Tippereary have the talent but Kilkenny have beaten them too many times .Kilkenny have their number.
Cork have real pace that could threaten kilkenny.But tipp have the pace to match cork ,wont fear cork,and relish us have to be top of their game if we are to win.
Dublin done us a huge favour in.negating our layoff as they never tested tipp.Tipp had harder a v b games in truth.
O Shea as a top manager is debabtle imo.I did rate him in 2010,and from what i heard and outside tipp hes a good coach.
He went down a lot imo ,bringing in Kieran Mcgenney,he didnt need him.
However i was impressed by hes bringing in of Gary ryan,and also.having no Ego to know he was in trouble and bring in Sheedy for bit.
That was brave and honest to do it,some managers refuse to do simlar as they want to be the main man,never learn from mistakes.
I thought he done well last year in knowlan park last year,i dont do.moral victories but in a dry day,in Knowlan park,they gave as good as they got and were simply beaten by a better team
I agree,o shea is under the spotlight and if they loose its hard to see tipp doing a limerick,rushing through the reappoint of him,and worse again,give him a three year term,despite the harsh reality,Tj had two defeats that exposed him tactially,one over hyped ,win.l against a wexford team out on their feet.
I said it here the saturday before wexford,and I was never optimstic at all with limerick this year,they would beat wexford,and handy as Wexford were drained.
I agree with your thoughts on managers being just more or less overhyped purely as managers,nothing worse that it ,than a poor manager being overhyped by so.e,despite glaring flaws,Cork have some and had some Real beauties down the years in that department imo.
If we ,and thats a IF we come through not only will the Result be important but Crucially the Perfromance of Cahalane at full back will define imo ,how good of a realistic chance we have to win against Kilkenny.
We can simply ill afford to go in to a game against them of all teams without a solid full back,they would eat o neill,and mcdonnell up at full back.
In around 71 championship games under Brisn cody since 1999,kilkenny have been kept goaless, around just 11 times ,but its of huge significance and hugely relevant to bear in mind the Only three times,cork Ever beat them in Codys reign,was when we denied them a single goal ,More a weight bearing statistic also to bear in mind when in all three games 99,04,and last year we got no goal ourselves but won all three games by outpointing them.
You must have a full back against them.Its like trying to beat New zealand with out an outhalf who cant game manage a match.You have a not a hope of winning.
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I'd agree with that we are a lot stronger this year ,if it's tight entering the last quarter id be confident as tipp can fall away as against limerick .Cahillane has to mark callanan imo even though i'm not a huge fan of callanan he could cause major problems if he is not marked tight enough.0
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Its unlikey,colm o.neill will do both next year,as much as hes wanted by jbm ,id be hughely suprised if he done both.
Its clear that the only will dualism wont happen next year is if Cuthbherts rules it out as jbm amd walsh interviews this summer,clearly show they are all for it next year.
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Colm O Neill is coming from playing Junior B hurling in North Cork. A class footballer who is one of the best in the country but he wouldn't make the Avondhu senior hurling team.0
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FYI Cork fans, Ciaran Sheehan is starting again for Carlton tomorrow in the AFL. Gameis on live on ESPN at 10.30am and repeated again in the afternoon.0
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Thinkstoomuch there's no doubting your knowledge of the game but as a limerick fan I'd have to mention a few things. I know these games are in the past though but I think you are being harsh on Limerick to be honest with you. I appreciate this is the cork thread also if you'd prefer to discuss on the limerick one.
Personally wouldn't agree that we rely on passion fire and brimstone like the stereotype suggests. Our plan this year was to keep things tight in defence and burst out of defence with support runners and let direct ball in to the forwards. I felt it was a nice brand of hurling and far superior to the hip and whip which we used till recently.
The wet weather on Sunday suited both defences as it made it very difficult for forwards to control the ball giving defenders opportunities to get in and spoil possession. I felt we tried to play more short passes than KK and the sliotar was like glass.
The Munster final was set up for Cork to win. Ye had three games played versus our one and ye had a much shorter wait to the final than Limerick had and you saw how we coped with the wait against Clare last year. The match was in Cork and that has to be worth something too. If you were using a rugby analogy you wouldn't expect Munster to win in the south of France too often! Add in to the mix it was vital Cork won that final. The second goal that day came as a result of Hickey trying to force things a bit but I felt ye were always going to win. I wasn't too disappointed with our performance that day. A bit like a horse not getting up the Cheltenham hill if you like.
Goals came at crucial times against us and in both games we started to chase the game and once we went behind we were in trouble as we never looked like scoring a goal. This is without doubt a flaw in our game. We got four goals against Wexford (two of which were lucky, and 2 against Tipp one which was a wonder goal and the other a 21 yard free pre the Nash change)
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Imo regards Colm as a potential hurler i disagree with your view.
Imo from what i have seen both at intercounty u 21,id rate Colm way ahead of Mark collins as a hurler,but correctly,he will stick to football where he is much better at it.
Colm o neill was outstanding for cork 21s,v galway 2007,won a munster title,got a goal as many wouldnt even dream of getting a.goal worthy to grace any game,in a game our old friend james mcgrath gave galway every fifty fifty decison ,a game we lost in extra time.,a team that had shane o.neill,eoin cadogan,pa cronin,pa horgan starting and stephen moylan coming on as a sub.
Colm was a great ball winner and like in football,had one thing on minds,goals when the chance arose.
He is a much better footballer,but would have been similar to John fitzigbbon,not a man that would bag you four or five points,but a goal machine.
He would if he was a hurler walk on the avondu team,name six better forwards than him there.
Peter o brien,mannix,hayes,pa callaghan would imo be the best,but Colm would defintely see game time if he was hurling alone,as he would have if committed to played colledge hurling with CIT at colledge level also.
I wouldnt be fast to knock junior b clubs,or small clubs,when Killeagh st itas produced harnedy,Kilbrin with egan,Grenagh with Kenny,and the likes of lisgoold,buttetvant, all had Hurlers that won medals,and reperesented cork at various levels in past days
Castletownce roche,produced Jonathan o callaghan a terrific hurler,in 2004,played in senior championship,very unlucky not to start,and Ger Hedigan.u21 munster medal winner in 1992 i think.
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1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Damien Cahalane (St Finbarr’s)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
12. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)
13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown - Captain)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Jimmy Barry-Murphy and his selectors have made no changes to the team that won the Munster Final, with captain Pa Cronin recovering from an injury sustained in that game.
Subs
16. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
18. Killian Burke (Midleton)
19. Willian Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
22. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
23. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
24. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
25. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)
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Tipp Team v Cork:Gleeson Barrett P Maher Stapleton B Maher Barry Bergin S McGrath Woodlock Ryan P Maher ODwyer N McGrath Callanan Corbett
as i thought bar cahill but expect him to start,maher go to 6,barry to 3.
Cork team
1.Anthony nash kanturk
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Damien Cahalane (St Finbarr’s)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
12. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)
13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown - Captain)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Jimmy Barry-Murphy and his selectors have made no changes to the team that won the Munster Final, with captain Pa Cronin recovering from an injury sustained in that game.
Subs
16. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
18. Killian Burke (Midleton)
19. Willian Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
22. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
23. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
24. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
25. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)
26. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
A strong and correct team,but hugely worried subs wise,no quaity replacement for full back if cahalane is injured or half back bar egan,and we have two corner backs,one would have done,so defensively the.balance bench.wise imo is a worry,the forwards are fine.Hugely dissspointed no spillane,and id have cormac murphy over lawton as murphy can cover three positions and we dont need lawton imo as a forward or midfield option imo.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Tipp Team v Cork:Gleeson Barrett P Maher Stapleton B Maher Barry Bergin S McGrath Woodlock Ryan P Maher ODwyer N McGrath Callanan Corbett
as i thought bar cahill but expect him to start,maher go to 6,barry to 3.
Cork team
1.Anthony nash kanturk
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Damien Cahalane (St Finbarr’s)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
12. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)
13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown - Captain)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Jimmy Barry-Murphy and his selectors have made no changes to the team that won the Munster Final, with captain Pa Cronin recovering from an injury sustained in that game.
Subs
16. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
18. Killian Burke (Midleton)
19. Willian Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
22. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
23. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
24. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
25. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)
26. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
A strong and correct team,but hugely worried subs wise,no quaity replacement for full back if cahalane is injured or half back bar egan,and we have two corner backs,one would have done,so defensively the.balance bench.wise imo is a worry,the forwards are fine.Hugely dissspointed no spillane,and id have cormac murphy over lawton as murphy can cover three positions and we dont need lawton imo as a forward or midfield option imo.
Strong team, but Bonnar and Callanan could get purchase out of Ellis and Cahalane and there's no real option to cover for those two, and if Tipp decide to pull Corbett out and use his pace on Egan, they could very well get through for goals.
Cork look to have to have the better spread of scoring forwards and a more settled midfield, but Tipp look like they have the better defense. Maybe more crucially, Tipp look like they have more options on the bench, we saw how important quality subs were last Sunday, especially in a tight game.
Hard to call it, but I think Tipp will get the goals and the defense will be content to give Horgan frees than risk goals.
Tipp's greater know-how should see them through.0 -
A huge week for cork gaa.
Cork v mayo ladies football v mayo.live tg4 saturday at six,hurling then sunday.
Simo zebo is on rte gaa show tommorrow ,a former st Michaels gaelic footballer,in wet day 2002 ,killarney drawn game,same day ireland v spain world cup,he payed at half time in the post primary school game for Cork.
Best of luck to Anna Geary in the rose of talee starting next monday,current cork camoige player.
Will she as her party piece ,bring her hurley and sliothar on stage:-)
instead of singing a song or reciting a poem.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Tipp Team v Cork:Gleeson Barrett P Maher Stapleton B Maher Barry Bergin S McGrath Woodlock Ryan P Maher ODwyer N McGrath Callanan Corbett
as i thought bar cahill but expect him to start,maher go to 6,barry to 3.
Cork team
1.Anthony nash kanturk
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Damien Cahalane (St Finbarr’s)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
12. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)
13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown - Captain)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Jimmy Barry-Murphy and his selectors have made no changes to the team that won the Munster Final, with captain Pa Cronin recovering from an injury sustained in that game.
Subs
16. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
18. Killian Burke (Midleton)
19. Willian Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
22. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
23. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
24. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
25. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)
26. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
A strong and correct team,but hugely worried subs wise,no quaity replacement for full back if cahalane is injured or half back bar egan,and we have two corner backs,one would have done,so defensively the.balance bench.wise imo is a worry,the forwards are fine.Hugely dissspointed no spillane,and id have cormac murphy over lawton as murphy can cover three positions and we dont need lawton imo as a forward or midfield option imo.
You'll be grand. Ye're facing the windiest full forward line in IC hurling. Cork to win handy.0 -
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