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Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭thomasj


    syklops wrote: »
    Unfortunately there is no way to stop people coming into the country. The border is wide open.

    As a non-citizen, I can safely say that this is complete and utter bull****.

    +1.

    The schengen agreement removed border controls across most if not all of mainland Europe. Ireland and uk both opted out and (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ireland and uk have their own agreement where both countries citizens don't neccessarily need passports as primary ids to enter either country (except if you are flying by ryanair :) )

    Irish and British need their passports to enter schengen Countries and vice versa.

    Schengen countries are:
    * Austria
    * Belgium
    * Czech Republic
    * Denmark
    * Estonia
    * Finland
    * France
    * Germany
    * Greece
    * Hungary
    * Iceland
    * Italy
    * Latvia
    * Lithuania
    * Luxembourg
    * Malta
    * Netherlands
    * Norway
    * Poland
    * Portugal
    * Slovakia
    * Slovenia
    * Spain
    * Sweden
    * Switzerland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    No call for that. I was next to a Roma couple in a filling station today- Mr Roma was putting 100 of unleaded in his Brabus Mercedes. I've never seen a Brabus Mercedes before, but it just didn't look cheap.....I wonder what he does for a living to afford that??

    Maybe he just doesn't buy shoes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    People need to stop giving beggars money.

    Problem solved.


    yea cause when you stop giving money they will also give up robbery's burglary and atm scams ??? cop on

    ANY forgin national committing crime should be sent back to nation of origin and the cost of the flight billed to that nations embassy

    and this should happen in reverse to Irish citizens abroad

    live in a host nation you respect its laws - don't like them ? well feck off then

    and for the predictable response from do good pc brigade i say this
    suck my balls
    our laws - so tough ****


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Maybe he just doesn't buy shoes?
    Savage! I'm doing without shoes from now on, woo hoo, I'm gettin a brabus, I'm gettin a Brabus. My shoes cost about €20, how long till I have enough??


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Tesco Massacre


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

    They were probably ordinary Irish kids dressed as Roma gypsies for Halloween. There's no other explanation.

    If they had been bona fide Roma gypsies you definitely would have been stabbed, spat at or robbed. Perhaps all three at once...something they call 'The Gypsy Trinity'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    "Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes :)"

    Senior Garda, SENIOR - how irresponsible - wind up the multiudes yet again... mention the word Roma and watch the usual St. Patricks Day parade


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    As a non-citizen, I can safely say that this is complete and utter bull****.

    I'm assuming you're a non-EU citizen, right?
    thomasj wrote: »
    The schengen agreement removed border controls across most if not all of mainland Europe. Ireland and uk both opted out and (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ireland and uk have their own agreement where both countries citizens don't neccessarily need passports as primary ids to enter either country (except if you are flying by ryanair :) )

    Irish and British need their passports to enter schengen Countries and vice versa.

    In essence our borders are wide open to EU citizens. Our Schengen opt-out means we retain border controls at points of entry. Only in exceptional circumstances however can an EU citizen be refused right of entry as laid out in Directive 2004/38/EC
    On what grounds can EU countries restrict freedom of movement
    and residence?

    Public policy, public security and public health grounds

    EU countries may impose restrictions where this is justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.

    Any such restrictions, such as a denial of entry, a refusal of residence or an expulsion measure, must comply with the terms and conditions laid down in the Directive.
    Procedural safeguards
    EU citizens and their family members are also protected by the following procedural safeguards.

    Written notification and appeal

    If expelled or denied entry, the decision must:

    • be notified in writing and in a way that enables the person concerned to
    comprehend its content and the implications for them;
    • include precise and full information of the grounds on which the decision is
    based; and
    • specify the court or administrative authority with which the person concerned may lodge an appeal and the time limit for the appeal.

    Access to judicial redress

    The persons concerned must have access to judicial and where appropriate
    administrative redress procedures to appeal or seek review of any decision against them
    on these grounds. These procedures must allow for an examination of the legality of the
    decision, as well as of the facts and circumstances on which the proposed measure is
    based.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    Chinasea wrote: »
    "Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes :)"

    Senior Garda, SENIOR - how irresponsible - wind up the multiudes yet again... mention the word Roma and watch the usual St. Patricks Day parade
    So no more mentioning the word "Roma" then? Sh1te, thats our wednesday pasta evening ruined. Can we use the words "popular Italian style tomato based condiment" instead??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    I'm assuming you're a non-EU citizen, right?

    In essence our borders are wide open to EU citizens. Our Schengen opt-out means we retain border controls at points of entry. Only in exceptional circumstances however can an EU citizen be refused right of entry as laid out in

    Yet there are still passport controls at the border. You cannot simply waltz into Ireland. And states can petition to restrict work permits (and subsequently, permission to remain); a few months ago, Spain successfully petitioned to limit labor market access for Romanians.

    Also, Irish people have just as equal access to other countries. I wish people would stop acting so put-upon - you all could just as easily go to Spain as Poles could come to Ireland.

    And, yes, I am not an EU citizen. But there are a lot of Irish people who rage against open borders, yet seem baffled that, as an American citizen, I (and many others) had a lot of visa problems. You don't just walk into Ireland as an EU system, but the process is straightforward. As a non-EU citizen, it is completely arbitrary.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    So no more mentioning the word "Roma" then? Sh1te, thats our wednesday pasta evening ruined. Can we use the words "popular Italian style tomato based condiment" instead??

    Thats your fault. If you ate Dolmio it wouldnt be an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    I was highlighting the fact that people want to tar a racial group based on the fact they beg, which of course is not a crime. "Kick them all out", that's pretty hate filled and stomach turning in my opinion. Or would you disagree?

    It is a crime otherwise the garda would let them at it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Anyone for a good old fashioned lynching

    Lynchings hurt me. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    540 beggars arrested since February.. How many pickpockets have been caught in the same period?
    540


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    Yet there are still passport controls at the border. You cannot simply waltz into Ireland. And states can petition to restrict work permits (and subsequently, permission to remain); a few months ago, Spain successfully petitioned to limit labor market access for Romanians.

    Also, Irish people have just as equal access to other countries. I wish people would stop acting so put-upon - you all could just as easily go to Spain as Poles could come to Ireland.

    And, yes, I am not an EU citizen. But there are a lot of Irish people who rage against open borders, yet seem baffled that, as an American citizen, I (and many others) had a lot of visa problems. You don't just walk into Ireland as an EU system, but the process is straightforward. As a non-EU citizen, it is completely arbitrary.

    Perhaps we have crossed wires here. I do not mean we literally have borders which are 'wide open' -controls are retained as a result of the Schengen opt-out, that's a given. On a practical level, they are a mere formality, easily and routinely traversed by EU citizens.

    I certainly have no problem with any EU citizen gaining entry to or seeking to reside in Ireland, be they Roma, Latvian, Polish or otherwise. With regard to non-EU citizens, once they meet visa requirements and continue to abide by the conditions set out, they should be let go about their business / study - as it is of obvious benefit to all parties culturally, socially and economically.

    I get to the States often on business and have a lot of dealings with both the CBP & the FDA and the associated hoop-jumping can be an unnervingly arbitrary process, as you say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭adomino


    woodoo wrote: »
    Each Roma caught begging should be turfed out of the country and never let back in.


    anyone coming here committing crimes should be turfed out forever, but they're not, costing the taxpayer to house them. anyone committing crimes outside should not get in, but they are.

    it's a joke. border police are asleep, and if they get deported, chances of getting back in are high. bring in iris scanners, something... so the police can rest their irises


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    only give to irish beggars its like the buy irish thing
    maybe there should be a bord bia for beggars

    The real Irish beggars could get the guaranteed Irish logo tattoo'd on their forehead to make it easier :p


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