Stephen Fry on confronting god after death

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:12pm #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

I don't agree with him. But it was a good answer. Fair play to him for his beliefs and what not.

Grayson · 31-01-2015 12:13pm

vid link appears broken $:\$

Edit: Thanks

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:14pm

Fixed.

The Moldy Gowl · 31-01-2015 12:17pm

I love gay Byrnes face during that.

Sunnyisland · 31-01-2015 12:17pm

Ah Op tell us what he says

Dunford · 31-01-2015 12:20pm

Completely agree. How could a god that is supposedly is all love create such evil and misery. I completely agree. If a god does exist.....which I don't believe, but if it did exist I know where ill be giving it a good boot.

shruikan2553 · 31-01-2015 12:20pm

Is this to become one of those threads where people complain about any criticism Christianity gets while claiming every other religion is protected and then complain about atheists?

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:20pm

realies wrote: »

Ah Op tell us what he says

He says if it turns out god is real, and he's wrong, and he gets to speak to god at the gates of heaven, he will ask him why does bone cancer for children exist, why did he create a world in which so much misery exists which is not our fault? Why should I respect a god who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain?

chakademus · 31-01-2015 12:22pm

There's something so insufferable about Stephen Fry.

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:22pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Is this to become one of those threads where people complain about any criticism Christianity gets while claiming every other religion is protected and then complain about atheists?

No, cos faiths have to be discussed and criticised. Otherwise it isn't faith, its bollocks.

Zaph · 31-01-2015 12:25pm

Gay Byrne looks like someone p*ssed in his cornflakes when Fry gave his answer. If you're not prepared to hear answers you don't like, then don't ask the question.

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:25pm

http://i.imgur.com/0FEOiUz.gif

Made me laugh anyway.

Mesrine65 · 31-01-2015 12:26pm

Religion a curse upon humanity...

"Christianity, like most religions, was set up to disempower people & control them.
It was set up as a political vehicle.
Sell people on their unworthiness & guilt and you can control them."

John Kaminski, Devils From Heaven

Nodin · 31-01-2015 12:27pm

cloud493 wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/0FEOiUz.gif

Made me laugh anyway.

...I'd never seen a rectal probe before.

namloc1980 · 31-01-2015 12:28pm

cloud493 wrote: »

He says if it turns out god is real, and he's wrong, and he gets to speak to god at the gates of heaven, he will ask him why does bone cancer for children exist, why did he create a world in which so much misery exists which is not our fault? Why should I respect a god who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain?

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Ah I know. It's all your man's fault, Satan. All on him. And it's our fault as well. Because a couple of mythical people ate an apple in some imaginary place we all deserve punishment and pain.

blinding · 31-01-2015 12:28pm

If god as we "generally" are sold the idea exists there will be one hell of a queue to give "it" a good kicking ! ! !

Saipanne · 31-01-2015 12:29pm

I would ask, which god are you?

chrysagon · 31-01-2015 12:30pm

Fry has had a few digs at Christians, irionic that hes a jew.
And anyway, he has a point,Why would god if he /she existed create a world with such misery.

TheBeardedLady · 31-01-2015 12:31pm

cloud493 wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/0FEOiUz.gif

Made me laugh anyway.

Who makes these things and can we be chums?

:D

Mesrine65 · 31-01-2015 12:31pm

Saipanne wrote: »

I would ask, which god are you?

Nodin · 31-01-2015 12:32pm

chrysagon wrote: »

Fry has had a few digs at Christians, irionic that hes a jew.
And anyway, he has a point,Why would god if he /she existed create a world with such misery.

Jews believe in God too.

Wibbs · 31-01-2015 12:32pm

He's dead right IMH. Then again I seem to recall there was a "heretical" Christian sect way back in the day that believed something along the lines that the world/universe was created and moulded by the devil as an illusion and you had to find the "real" god behind all of that. That would make more sense if the religion thing is your bag

bjork · 31-01-2015 12:33pm

Do people think this is Gay Byrnes first gig?
You can be sure he had his research done and knew exactly what type of answer Stephen Fry would give. It's not his first rodeo. He always pulled faces.

Wibbs · 31-01-2015 12:33pm

Nodin wrote: »

Jews believe in God too.

The same one indeed. The Christian and Muslim faiths are Judaism Ver 2.

Saipanne · 31-01-2015 12:33pm

Nodin wrote: »

Jews believe in God too.

Yep. Same old Yahweh.

TheBeardedLady · 31-01-2015 12:34pm

chrysagon wrote: »

Fry has had a few digs at Christians, irionic that hes a jew.
And anyway, he has a point,Why would god if he /she existed create a world with such misery.

Where's the irony? If he considers himself Jewish, he's only ethnically and culturally so. He's a strident atheist....obviously.

bb87 · 31-01-2015 12:34pm

cloud493 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

I don't agree with him. But it was a good answer. Fair play to him for his beliefs and what not.

Typical Fry, his unwillingness to explore what Genesis has to say as to why there is such suffering and evil, highlights his wilful ignorance and dishonesty.

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world. Why does Fry see more of Satan than God? Says a lot about him, really.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God. Maybe Fry better stop lusting after young men and let go of this bitterness clearly revealed in this clip. Then he will see more of the one true God.

This man needs prayers..

anncoates · 31-01-2015 12:34pm

I like Fry and appreciate his talent and his public views on gay rights and depression.

I just wish listening to him wasn't like getting am interminable lecture from a intolerably pompous, posh headmaster.

cloud493 · 31-01-2015 12:35pm

bb87 wrote: »

Typical Fry, his unwillingness to explore what Genesis has to say as to why there is such suffering and evil, highlights his wilful ignorance and dishonesty.

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world. Why does Fry see more of Satan than God? Says a lot about him, really.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God. Maybe Fry better stop lusting after young men and let go of this bitterness clearly revealed in this clip. Then he will see more of the one true God.

This man needs prayers..

Re-reg trolls are the best kind of trolls.
Edit - I quite like Fry's manner. Entirely subjective though.

TheBeardedLady · 31-01-2015 12:35pm

Wibbs wrote: »

The same one indeed. The Christian and Muslim faiths are Judaism Ver 2.

Well there's Jewish Atheism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

Nodin · 31-01-2015 12:36pm

bjork wrote: »

Do people think this is Gay Byrnes first gig?
You can be sure he had his research done and knew exactly what type of answer Stephen Fry would give. It's not his first rodeo. He always pulled faces.

Yet he was always more annoying on the radio. Mad but true.

super_furry · 31-01-2015 12:36pm

"God" as portrayed in the bible has always been a dick. From telling his followers to kill their children to flooding the world and murdering the majority of the living creatures in it because they weren't paying him enough attention.

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-01-2015 12:36pm

bb87 wrote: »

Typical Fry, his unwillingness to explore what Genesis has to say as to why there is such suffering and evil, highlights his wilful ignorance and dishonesty.

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world. Why does Fry see more of Satan than God? Says a lot about him, really.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God. Maybe Fry better stop lusting after young men and let go of this bitterness clearly revealed in this clip. Then he will see more of the one true God.

This man needs prayers..

which one?

namloc1980 · 31-01-2015 12:36pm

bb87 wrote: »

Typical Fry, his unwillingness to explore what Genesis has to say as to why there is such suffering and evil, highlights his wilful ignorance and dishonesty.

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world. Why does Fry see more of Satan than God? Says a lot about him, really.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God. Maybe Fry better stop lusting after young men and let go of this bitterness clearly revealed in this clip. Then he will see more of the one true God.

This man needs prayers..

Bitterness alert! Clearly Fry has no interest in fairy tales written a few thousand years ago and thankfully many more are copping on.

Call Me Jimmy · 31-01-2015 12:37pm

gay byrne looks like kermit the frog now

Autonomous Cowherd · 31-01-2015 12:37pm

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Religion a curse upon humanity...

"Christianity, like most religions, was set up to disempower people & control them.
It was set up as a political vehicle.
Sell people on their unworthiness & guilt and you can control them."

John Kaminski, Devils From Heaven

While the quote may be true (although I would say it's applicable beyond Christianity, by that I mean Christianity as it has evolved, not the esoteric inner teachings which have been largely forgotten), still that Kaminski looks a bit of a dodgy bloke. It's all the Joooos fault....hmmmmm. http://therebel.website/en/kaminski

The gif is funny

bb87 · 31-01-2015 12:38pm

super_furry wrote: »

"God" as portrayed in the bible has always been a dick. From telling his followers to kill their children to flooding the world and murdering the majority of the living creatures in it because they weren't paying him enough attention.

Satan tells his followers to kill their children, and people like you happily follow it. You know, abortion and all.

danrua01 · 31-01-2015 12:39pm

Wait! If Satan punishes does that sin, doesn't that mean he's good?!?

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-01-2015 12:39pm

bb87 wrote: »

Satan tells his followers to kill their children, and people like you happily follow it. You know, abortion and all.

How do you know it's not your god telling them to do it? He has past form for killing the unborn after all.

RobertKK · 31-01-2015 12:39pm

Stephen Fry acts the idiot.
He was talking about a Christian God, but then the supposed intellectual, disregarded a part of the bible where it says how evil entered the world.
Evil according to the book of Genesis entered the world when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and the price for the disobedience was death was brought into the world, and Adam and Eve allowed evil into the world.

Stephen Fry ignored the bible so he could just have his rant.

He didn't address in his rant about meeting God, how we can choose good or evil, or that by knowing evil, it allows us to know and appreciate what is good.

Also Stephen Fry said if heaven did exist he didn't want to go to heaven, indicating he wants to reside in hell, which is just being stupid for the sake of it.

Anyway I will be watching the Superbowl rather than wasting time on Stephen Fry who thinksthat is heaven did somehow exist he would even get the chance to say directly to God 'How dare you'...

castletownman · 31-01-2015 12:39pm

bb87 wrote: »

Typical Fry, his unwillingness to explore what Genesis has to say as to why there is such suffering and evil, highlights his wilful ignorance and dishonesty.

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world. Why does Fry see more of Satan than God? Says a lot about him, really.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God. Maybe Fry better stop lusting after young men and let go of this bitterness clearly revealed in this clip. Then he will see more of the one true God.

This man needs prayers..

Blessed are the bigoted. The old-fashioned scholars of God

super_furry · 31-01-2015 12:40pm

bb87 wrote: »

Satan tells his followers to kill their children, and people like you happily follow it. You know, abortion and all.

So you're saying God is as evil as Satan? Got it!

bb87 · 31-01-2015 12:40pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

which one?

Why do so called free thinkiners always have to be spoon fed.

Whic one you ask? Many perceptions, one God to perceive. Settled.

Mesrine65 · 31-01-2015 12:40pm

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

While the quote may be true (although I would say it's applicable beyond Christianity, by that I mean Christianity as it has evolved, not the esoteric inner teachings which have been largely forgotten), still that Kaminski looks a bit of a dodgy bloke. It's all the Joooos fault....hmmmmm. http://therebel.website/en/kaminski

The gif is funny

Have to agree, Kaminski is a dick, but I agree 100% with the quotation never the less

eviltwin · 31-01-2015 12:42pm

I've been listening to stories of the holocaust this week, the things that happened to those people....how could a loving God stand by and allow that to happen. Everyday terrible things happen, crime, war, natural disasters. Some God. I want no part of it.

I'm reminded of a quote that was found on a wall in the dorm of an Austrian concentration camp "if there is a god he will have to beg for my forgiveness". That about sums it up for me.

relax carry on · 31-01-2015 12:42pm

bb87 wrote: »

Satan tells his followers to kill their children, and people like you happily follow it. You know, abortion and all.

I will never understand those people who feel the need to troll. I mean what's wrong in your life that you need to do things like this?

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-01-2015 12:42pm

bb87 wrote: »

Why do so called free thinkiners always have to be spoon fed.

Whic one you ask? Many perceptions, one God to perceive. Settled.

So Allah?

danrua01 · 31-01-2015 12:42pm

bb87 wrote: »

He will deny Satan exists as an active evil force in the world, whilst perfectly describing his existence in the world.

Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God.

Eh, I hardly think that bad things happening is proof that a devil exists.

For the second point, very convenient for that god to say that, isn't it?

hardCopy · 31-01-2015 12:43pm

Wibbs wrote: »

The same one indeed. The Christian and Muslim faiths are Judaism Ver 2.

Christianity is a spin-off and Islam is more a of a reboot

chrysagon · 31-01-2015 12:43pm

he wont have to worry about heaven or hell...........life is the light between two dark eternities

TheBeardedLady · 31-01-2015 12:44pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Stephen Fry acts the idiot.
He was talking about a Christian God, but then the supposed intellectual, disregarded a part of the bible where it says how evil entered the world.
Evil according to the book of Genesis entered the world when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and the price for the disobedience was death was brought into the world, and Adam and Eve allowed evil into the world.

Stephen Fry ignored the bible so he could just have his rant.

He didn't address in his rant about meeting God, how we can choose good or evil, or that by knowing evil, it allows us to know and appreciate what is good.

Also Stephen Fry said if heaven did exist he didn't want to go to heaven, indicating he wants to reside in hell, which is just being stupid for the sake of it.

Anyway I will be watching the Superbowl rather than wasting time on Stephen Fry who thinksthat is heaven did somehow exist he would even get the chance to say directly to God 'How dare you'...

Well he referred to bone cancer in children and insects that eat children's eyes from the inside out as two examples - things that are out of our hands, basically, and none of us made a conscious decision to choose.

Stephen Fry on confronting god after death

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