Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

zol 2 · 12-06-2012 7:10pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Picked up the News and Star today in the shop. Definetly worth getting, I recommend it. Loads of pre match build up, interviews, discussion, and more from people like Paul Flynn, Phil Fanning and John A Murphy(the voice of Waterford GAA).

Flynner i would take notice of when he writes a preview of the game as this man has an unbelievable hurling brain but as for johnny"CAPT CLICHE" murphy dont make me laugh! Phil can write more freely now on these games as there are no family connections involved anymore!!. Lets say he was blinded by these distractions in times gone by!

DublinGAA96 · 12-06-2012 8:47pm

zol 2 wrote: »

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Picked up the News and Star today in the shop. Definetly worth getting, I recommend it. Loads of pre match build up, interviews, discussion, and more from people like Paul Flynn, Phil Fanning and John A Murphy(the voice of Waterford GAA).

Flynner i would take notice of when he writes a preview of the game as this man has an unbelievable hurling brain but as for johnny"CAPT CLICHE" murphy dont make me laugh! Phil can write more freely now on these games as there are no family connections involved anymore!!. Lets say he was blinded by these distractions in times gone by!

He is still the voice of Waterford GAA....

HelloYoungBoy · 12-06-2012 9:15pm

zol 2 wrote: »

Flynner i would take notice of when he writes a preview of the game as this man has an unbelievable hurling brain but as for johnny"CAPT CLICHE" murphy dont make me laugh! Phil can write more freely now on these games as there are no family connections involved anymore!!. Lets say he was blinded by these distractions in times gone by!

Couldnt have put it better myself

Deise Doodler · 12-06-2012 9:21pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Thurles.

It will be tough, Tipp are meant to have a decent team but minor is a very unpredictable grade so it’s hard to call. They did beat us by a point or two in a challenge game about two months back so that would suggest both teams would prob be as good as each other. Hope we can win because this is a really good minor team this year and would be disappointing to see their summer end early.

Thought Tipp were a much better side that night, they made a lot of changes for the second half taking off a lot of their better players and while we never stoped fighting that night not sure if fight alone will carry us when we meet them next for real, hope im wrong and a lot of work has been done since then but think we will be really up against it

hurler on de ditch · 12-06-2012 9:37pm

zol 2 wrote: »

Flynner i would take notice of when he writes a preview of the game as this man has an unbelievable hurling brain but as for johnny"CAPT CLICHE" murphy dont make me laugh! Phil can write more freely now on these games as there are no family connections involved anymore!!. Lets say he was blinded by these distractions in times gone by!

remarkable ,astounding ,peerless ,enormity,abundance and last by no means least MAGNITUDE ,

seananigans · 13-06-2012 8:20am

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/waterford-wary-of-fitz-factor-walsh-3137444.html

randox · 13-06-2012 9:03am

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Picked up the News and Star today in the shop. Definetly worth getting, I recommend it. Loads of pre match build up, interviews, discussion, and more from people like Paul Flynn, Phil Fanning and John A Murphy(the voice of Waterford GAA).

Sounds like you work for the News & star.

calvin_zola · 13-06-2012 9:15am

kelly and conors fit for sunday - http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/deise-boost-as-connors-and-kelly-fit-to-face-banner-3137447.html

Cake Man · 13-06-2012 9:59am

That's good news anyway but I'd say Noelie won't be exactly 100% fit. Even still, I'd start him and if he appears to be struggling then Philip Mahony is an able replacement.
No mention of Darragh, is he fit or not?

mccarthy37 · 13-06-2012 10:53am

A lot of confident talk coming out of Clare. The Davy factor they believe will swing it there way and having a very good panel make them very dangerous opponents for next Sunday. Its going to be a 50:50 game the prize being a Munster final appearance against either Cork or Tipp I hope if we get through to the final that we have a better showing than last year.What a nightmare that was for us hopefully we can make amends there but I would not look beyond next Sunday before we can make any more plans.The forecast is not great I hope their wrong there, nothing worse than getting a drenching come to think of it the last time I got a soaking against Clare they bet the crap out of us. Different times I know just all these thoughts going through the mind at the moment. DEEP down I think we will get a win here's hoping.

calvin_zola · 13-06-2012 12:31pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

I hope if we get through to the final that we have a better showing than last year

don't mention the war lol

mccarthy37 wrote: »

DEEP down I think we will get a win here's hoping.

defo, I don't fear Clare

solarith · 13-06-2012 12:44pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

He is still the voice of Waterford GAA....

A self appointed title.

seananigans · 13-06-2012 12:57pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/connors-and-kelly-declared-fit-for-deise-555181.html

the rose tinted glasses just got rosier,I'm really thinking this could be a good omen

and I quote

""A second X-ray showed that Eoin hadn't fractured his thumb, and he underlined his fitness by scoring 2-6 (2-4 from play) in a recent club game."

Heres hoping for a Paul Flynn style Wundergoal from Kelly

glick6 · 13-06-2012 9:31pm

Darragh rated no better than 50:50 still. They're giving him every opportunity to make it. Fitness test at training tomorrow evening will tell all.

glick6 · 13-06-2012 9:36pm

Cake Man wrote: »

That's good news anyway but I'd say Noelie won't be exactly 100% fit. Even still, I'd start him and if he appears to be struggling then Philip Mahony is an able replacement.
No mention of Darragh, is he fit or not?

While I'd love to see noelie play, I really don't think managent will take a chance on someone who has only played 22 minutes of competitive hurling in the past four months. Then you obviously have the possibility of him not holding up if he comes on as a replacement. Really difficult decision but then only management and noelie himself really know how well he's going.

hurler on de ditch · 13-06-2012 9:39pm

Cake Man wrote: »

That's good news anyway but I'd say Noelie won't be exactly 100% fit. Even still, I'd start him and if he appears to be struggling then Philip Mahony is an able replacement.
No mention of Darragh, is he fit or not?

if he is not 100% fit leave him on the bench ,if he was to start he could cost us early on ,

Hslaw · 14-06-2012 12:30am

Jesus I just wish tomorrow was Sunday.can't wait for this game,

Jackobyte · 14-06-2012 2:23am

Lads. If we don't hit the ball to the other team, I think we could win on Sunday. I really think we could.

soccymonster · 14-06-2012 2:54am

Jackobyte wrote: »

Lads. If we don't hit the ball to the other team, I think we could win on Sunday. I really think we could.

No way, definitely think Clare have the beating of you.

Jackobyte · 14-06-2012 4:28am

soccymonster wrote: »

No way, definitely think Clare have the beating of you.

and limerick have the beating of everyone, yaaaaaay

Tarzann · 14-06-2012 10:59am

If we score more than Clare I think we've a good chance.

calvin_zola · 14-06-2012 11:51am

soccymonster wrote: »

No way, definitely think Clare have the beating of you.

you've been thinking..... don't hurt yourself now

DublinGAA96 · 14-06-2012 12:47pm

Just thinking lads, does anybody know how training has been going for them? Is it going well? Any players off form? I heard on WLR FM they played a challenge match on Monday night and they won. Fitness testing tonight then I understand. I hope trainings been going well, I'd be worried if not.

PTH2009 · 14-06-2012 12:47pm

If we are too be beaten on Sunday, do you think we are strong enough to get through the back door ???.

Will Ryan be forced to resign after the clare game if we get a hiding ???

DublinGAA96 · 14-06-2012 12:54pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we are too be beaten on Sunday, do you think we are strong enough to get through the back door ???.

Will Ryan be forced to resign after the clare game if we get a hiding ???

I really don't know, being honest. If we lose , and are forced to go the scenic route, we potentially have set ourselves up for qualifier against either Dublin, Kilkenny, Offaly and one other team. I'd be worried about going through the back door to be honest. If we get Dublin(that's if they lose), I'm afraid its potentially lights out. Your margin for error is 0 in qualifiers. Like you said if we do get a hiding, I think it may be hard to get us back on our feet and get confidence back up again. About your question about Michael Ryan, who knows it's very tough to forecast, some people were calling for his head for losing league matches, so if we get the bollocks beat out of us on Sunday, he'll definitely have people on his back.

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 1:01pm

Anyone know the score form the Cork Clare challenge game a few nights ago? I heard one place Cork beat them well by 10 points or so but in another I heard Cork only one by 4 and both teams were without a lot of main players..

Realistically it doesnt mean anything but it might help my heart rate in the meantime...

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 1:03pm

calvin_zola wrote: »

you've been thinking..... don't hurt yourself now

Lawl! Serves soccy right for trying to troll

DublinGAA96 · 14-06-2012 2:11pm

deise_girl wrote: »

Anyone know the score form the Cork Clare challenge game a few nights ago? I heard one place Cork beat them well by 10 points or so but in another I heard Cork only one by 4 and both teams were without a lot of main players..

Realistically it doesnt mean anything but it might help my heart rate in the meantime...

I really cant remember where I heard it, but I think Cork beat them, with a few points to spare aswell I think.

mccarthy37 · 14-06-2012 4:16pm

Cork bet Clare out the gate. Davy was roaring and crying after the game saying Waterford will beat the shi:: out of them, that's how important challenge games are:D

Mountainlad · 14-06-2012 4:32pm

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/banner-headliners-keep-deise-focused-197356.html

zol 2 · 14-06-2012 6:55pm

Just heard this evening Brendan "Cider"Landers broke his arm in a challenge game for Lismore last night. Just want to send him on my best wishes.

deisedude · 14-06-2012 7:57pm

Interesting to see if the minor who was cruelly dropped (name escapes me) will be in goals now

zol 2 wrote: »

Just heard this evening Brendan "Cider"Landers broke his arm in a challenge game for Lismore last night. Just want to send him on my best wishes.

tus.maith · 14-06-2012 8:08pm

Waterford team for Sunday

1. Stephen O’Keeffe Ballygunner
2. Aidan Kearney Tallow
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
4. Stephen Daniels De La Salle
5. Richie Foley Abbeyside
6. Michael Walsh (Captain) Stradbally
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
8. Kevin Moran De La Salle
9. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
10. Maurice Shanahan Lismore
11. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
12. Eoin Kelly Passage
13. John Mullane De La Salle
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 8:10pm

deisedude wrote: »

Interesting to see if the minor who was cruelly dropped (name escapes me) will be in goals now

That minor started against Passage the last day out with Landers playing half forward!
Whatever quarrel was had has been forgotten anyway..

Deise Doodler · 14-06-2012 9:03pm

tus.maith wrote: »

Waterford team for Sunday

1. Stephen O’Keeffe Ballygunner
2. Aidan Kearney Tallow
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
4. Stephen Daniels De La Salle
5. Richie Foley Abbeyside
6. Michael Walsh (Captain) Stradbally
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
8. Kevin Moran De La Salle
9. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
10. Maurice Shanahan Lismore
11. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
12. Eoin Kelly Passage
13. John Mullane De La Salle
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

Happy enough with that, although not the most experienced looking half back line plenty of ability, with conners and fives unavailable think is about right, think we could see a swithch with moran and foley but would prefer to see Moran midfield at least to start

DublinGAA96 · 14-06-2012 9:05pm

Where's Tony?

Deise Doodler · 14-06-2012 9:25pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Where's Tony?

Think Tony had a fitness test tonight, hope he passed it but happy enough that he is not starting, think he would be caught for pace in the first 20 min

Mountainlad · 14-06-2012 9:54pm

tus.maith wrote: »

Waterford team for Sunday

1. Stephen O’Keeffe Ballygunner
2. Aidan Kearney Tallow
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
4. Stephen Daniels De La Salle
5. Richie Foley Abbeyside
6. Michael Walsh (Captain) Stradbally
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
8. Kevin Moran De La Salle
9. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
10. Maurice Shanahan Lismore
11. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
12. Eoin Kelly Passage
13. John Mullane De La Salle
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

Interesting. Daniels was being touted in the observer to start so bit of fore warning there. Pity Fives isn't fit. Brave decision not to start Tony if he is fit, but I expect he isn't. Slightly worried about Foley, dunno how fit he'll be. My preferred midfield partnership, thing they will win their battle which will be crucial. Not a bad half forward line, and the full forward line has great scoring potential.

If we get good ball into them, I think we'll win.

zol 2 · 14-06-2012 9:57pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Where's Tony?

With the utmost respect to Tony there has to come a time when we bite the bullet and go with someone else with long term prospects.Tony has been an unbelievable servant to Waterford hurling but at 39 years of age even he must acknowledge that we must plan for the future. I would still have him around the squad as his experience is invaluable to the 4 lads making their Championship debut.

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 10:08pm

zol 2 wrote: »

With the utmost respect to Tony there has to come a time when we bite the bullet and go with someone else with long term prospects.Tony has been an unbelievable servant to Waterford hurling but at 39 years of age even he must acknowledge that we must plan for the future. I would still have him around the squad as his experience is invaluable to the 4 lads making their Championship debut.

I'd agree with this tbh. Not saying goodbye to Tony at all and far from it, but I do think we need to wean him off a bit. I'd say we'll still see him play parts of games but as great as Tony still is you'd have to think at 38(?) he cant be the best option to start..

redlead · 14-06-2012 11:10pm

deise_girl wrote: »

zol 2 wrote: »

With the utmost respect to Tony there has to come a time when we bite the bullet and go with someone else with long term prospects.Tony has been an unbelievable servant to Waterford hurling but at 39 years of age even he must acknowledge that we must plan for the future. I would still have him around the squad as his experience is invaluable to the 4 lads making their Championship debut.

I'd agree with this tbh. Not saying goodbye to Tony at all and far from it, but I do think we need to wean him off a bit. I'd say we'll still see him play parts of games but as great as Tony still is you'd have to think at 38(?) he cant be the best option to start..

Where's the evidence to suggest this? He's consistently one of our best performers. The championship isn't a time to break players in as some suggest. You play your best 15 and that's that. Fingers crossed the two lads go well at wing back. Foley hasn't set the world alight since he came back from injury. I suspect that Tony has not passed the fittness test.

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 11:21pm

redlead wrote: »

Where's the evidence to suggest this? He's consistently one of our best performers. The championship isn't a time to break players in as some suggest. You play your best 15 and that's that. Fingers crossed the two lads go well at wing back. Foley hasn't set the world alight since he came back from injury. I suspect that Tony has not passed the fittness test.

I cant say anything about Foley because I dont think ive seen him play one game all year. But Tony isnt as great as he was, its naive to think he hasnt faded a bit and since 2010 especially I think you'd notice it more how his mobility is faltering. Like hes such an intelligent hurler it doesnt show as much as it would for others but realistically any good pacey forward should get a few points off him

redlead · 14-06-2012 11:29pm

deise_girl wrote: »

redlead wrote: »

Where's the evidence to suggest this? He's consistently one of our best performers. The championship isn't a time to break players in as some suggest. You play your best 15 and that's that. Fingers crossed the two lads go well at wing back. Foley hasn't set the world alight since he came back from injury. I suspect that Tony has not passed the fittness test.

I cant say anything about Foley because I dont think ive seen him play one game all year. But Tony isnt as great as he was, its naive to think he hasnt faded a bit and since 2010 especially I think you'd notice it more how his mobility is faltering. Like hes such an intelligent hurler it doesnt show as much as it would for others but realistically any good pacey forward should get a few points off him

Can you point to a recent game where this has happened? He was an all star nominee last year at 38. His form has not dipped from then in any game I've seen him play in. Players should be judged on merit and not on what peoples perception of what a man of that age should or should not be able to do.

The two lads selected are fine hurlers I may add. Id just be very surprised if Foley was selected ahead of Browne on form. Presumably Foley will be on frees? Does anyone know who will be taking them?

deisefolife · 14-06-2012 11:44pm

deise_girl wrote: »

I cant say anything about Foley because I dont think ive seen him play one game all year.

i seen him when Dungarvan / Abbeside played a few weeks ago. and he didn't impress me to much tbh

Morte · 14-06-2012 11:44pm

Tony has gone from being a Hurler of the Year winner to an All Star winner to an All Star nominee. He is naturally on the wane but from such a high level that he remains a fine player. There's not much to choose between him and the other half backs available.

suitcasepink · 14-06-2012 11:54pm

redlead wrote: »

Can you point to a recent game where this has happened? He was an all star nominee last year at 38. His form has not dipped from then in any game I've seen him play in. Players should be judged on merit and not on what peoples perception of what a man of that age should or should not be able to do.

The two lads selected are fine hurlers I may add. Id just be very surprised if Foley was selected ahead of Browne on form. Presumably Foley will be on frees? Does anyone know who will be taking them?

Nahh id only be kidding myself if I tried to pick out examples, I cont remember such detail long after the game, but I do remember thinking it afterwards. Its just the whole movement thing isnt as fluid as it was, and understandably so.
Like Im not saying overnight hes turned into a 2nd string player, far from it. But I think his age is finally starting to show.. Perhaps when hes 43 he'll start to play like a typical 35 year old

Professey Chin · 14-06-2012 11:59pm

Morte wrote: »

Tony has gone from being a Hurler of the Year winner to an All Star winner to an All Star nominee. He is naturally on the wane but from such a high level that he remains a fine player. There's not much to choose between him and the other half backs available.

Thats 14 years ago now....christ....careers have come and gone since :pac:

Mountainlad · 14-06-2012 11:59pm

redlead wrote: »

Can you point to a recent game where this has happened? He was an all star nominee last year at 38. His form has not dipped from then in any game I've seen him play in. Players should be judged on merit and not on what peoples perception of what a man of that age should or should not be able to do.

The two lads selected are fine hurlers I may add. Id just be very surprised if Foley was selected ahead of Browne on form. Presumably Foley will be on frees? Does anyone know who will be taking them?

I can't see him being able for 70 minutes myself any more against a Kilkenny or a Tipp playing at the level I witnessed first hand in the All-Ireland finakl last year. He remains a very good hurler, and some say you should finish with your best team, so holding him in reserve for the final 20 maybe a good plan.

I think Mahony and Daniels deserve their chance as most people have been crying out to see them in the Waterford team these last few years. Not so sure about Foley, if Fives was fit though there'd be no question for me.

I reckon Maurice will take them up front.

Mountainlad · 15-06-2012 12:09am

Commitee room on in a minute for anyone still up, Marty Morrissey should give us a perfectly unbalanced Clare perspective on things!

glick6 · 15-06-2012 12:20am

redlead wrote: »

deise_girl wrote: »

redlead wrote: »

Where's the evidence to suggest this? He's consistently one of our best performers. The championship isn't a time to break players in as some suggest. You play your best 15 and that's that. Fingers crossed the two lads go well at wing back. Foley hasn't set the world alight since he came back from injury. I suspect that Tony has not passed the fittness test.

I cant say anything about Foley because I dont think ive seen him play one game all year. But Tony isnt as great as he was, its naive to think he hasnt faded a bit and since 2010 especially I think you'd notice it more how his mobility is faltering. Like hes such an intelligent hurler it doesnt show as much as it would for others but realistically any good pacey forward should get a few points off him

Can you point to a recent game where this has happened? He was an all star nominee last year at 38. His form has not dipped from then in any game I've seen him play in. Players should be judged on merit and not on what peoples perception of what a man of that age should or should not be able to do.

The two lads selected are fine hurlers I may add. Id just be very surprised if Foley was selected ahead of Browne on form. Presumably Foley will be on frees? Does anyone know who will be taking them?

Challenge v Dublin three weeks back. Tony was marking conal keaney just back from cruciate. Keaney scored 4 points from play off tony in first half and it as plain to see he could not keep with the pace. Davy knows where to target and he would target tony if he started.

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