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Pubs in Galway closing at 1am

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    xo.mary wrote: »
    From what I've heard, these extensions cost a few hundred euro a night.
    It's currently €410 per night (€300 fee + €110 excise duty) paid in advance before the start of the month. If you're a late bar or club that opens seven nights that's over €12k per month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It's a lot of cash to stump up, but I would have thought that late July would be the time when businesses would have had least problems with stumping up the cashflow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭keano89


    If pubs/clubs don't have the licence why should they be allowed wait open, your not supposed to drive on the road without tax so why should pubs be any different, its unfair on those pubs/clubs that are paying for the late licence that others were allowed free ride.

    €410 however seems quite steep for an extra 2 hours, if it was longer a few pubs/clubs might go for it.


  • Subscribers Posts: 171 ✭✭Night Falls


    keano89 wrote: »
    If pubs/clubs don't have the licence why should they be allowed wait open, your not supposed to drive on the road without tax so why should pubs be any different, its unfair on those pubs/clubs that are paying for the late licence that others were allowed free ride.

    €410 however seems quite steep for an extra 2 hours, if it was longer a few pubs/clubs might go for it.
    It's only really an hour or so on a Friday or Saturday night. It's also extremely unfair on smaller venues, as they have to pay the same as much larger venues.

    The whole system is wrong, and in a way i've sympathy for the gardai as their job is to try and uphold the law. In this case though, the law needs changing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭xo.mary


    Only one solution - they open earlier!:pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    :mad:Bloody joke, a new super comes into town and is trying to destroy the pub and nightlife of Galway which has thrived for decades, the Galway nightlife is known all over Ireland and the world and now certain people are trying to destroy this image.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭skinny90


    thats it,instead of starting to drink at half 9-10ish itl be half 7-8ish:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    JustMary wrote: »
    It's a lot of cash to stump up, but I would have thought that late July would be the time when businesses would have had least problems with stumping up the cashflow.

    I guess they were getting away with it so thought why bother paying for the extension.
    Lets just stay open anyway, the guards won't do anything it'll be grand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭extraice


    pubs again closed at 1 last night , on holidays for next few days ... not going chance city over the weekend ... he i com dublin ...

    what every going on some want to sorted it out .....


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Get yourself a new keyboard in Dublin!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭foxy_19-89


    I heard from a number of people that attempts were made to try and get Supermacs to close early also. Could just be one of those rumours that springs up but wouldn't be too far fetched considering the pubs and clubs being closed.

    And you are right, we were thrown out of Supermacs at 3 last night, cops were in there, and they had come around and said "were closing in ten minutes, sorry".

    I work in the industry aswel, and if this becomes the trend it wont be long before shifts get shortened and all of a sudden there are not enough hours to work etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    extraice wrote: »
    was in the ......... it know as late night bar ...... cop came and closed it down ..... , so we moved ( off two late night pub ) ... 1 am cop again , got shut down .... again ( off two outher pub ..... ) that got closed by the cops ....
    i thought galway had late night pub ...... latin area of town ....

    whats going on ? and why cop shutting down pub at ....

    thought was 2 am ..... i am not payying to go two club 15 - 10 euros

    i love when folks speak of the Latin area.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    I think we have a little Hitler on our hands, maybe if the cops started doing something about real crime instead of picking on easy targets and decent people who want to have a good night out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    I think we have a little Hitler on our hands, maybe if the cops started doing something about real crime instead of picking on easy targets and decent people who want to have a good night out.

    the cops are there to enforce the law. if late night drinking breaks the law its job to combat it.
    lobby inda kenny if you want change, but you will find the powerful joe duffy lobby against you.
    personally i find a night out expensive . much cheaper to have a house party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Cygnus wrote: »
    I hate when the Gardaí are referred to as "cops".

    aye, 'shades' or 'pigs' sound much better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    biko wrote: »
    Drink does terrible things to a person. Remember that kids.

    you sound like ryan tubridy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    If the Guards are closing them at 1, then they are being leniant and letting them open past 11.30 without a licence.

    Currently a Special exemption order costs €410 it allows a bar to serve the following hours:

    Monday - Thursday: 2.30 (Normally 11.30)
    Friday/Saturday: 2.30 (Normally 12.30)
    Sunday: 1.00 (Normally 11.00, except bank holidays, they can then serve until 2.30 rather than the normal 12.30)

    No licence currently exists for bars to close at 1.00 or 1.30 or any other time.

    This is all covered in Section 5 of The Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003, its nationwide, not one rule for one city and different for another

    Link

    Its not the Guards being assholes, its pubs not applying for their Special Exemption Order, simples


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭TheCoolWay


    I think that extending hours could be a positive change for the benefit of Irish society in the long run.

    1. Discourage people to drink fast and get in to a pub/club for the 'last hour or two'

    2. Less people leaving the premises at the same time which should reduce fighting and other forms of group anti social behaviour.

    I know our way of drinking is different to many other countries, but this model appears to work for them. No harm to give it a go based on that imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    As do I, the current licencing system is a joke and needs to be reformed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    TheCoolWay wrote: »
    I think that extending hours could be a positive change for the benefit of Irish society in the long run.

    1. Discourage people to drink fast and get in to a pub/club for the 'last hour or two'

    2. Less people leaving the premises at the same time which should reduce fighting and other forms of group anti social behaviour.

    I know our way of drinking is different to many other countries, but this model appears to work for them. No harm to give it a go based on that imo.

    I thought they tried that in the UK and people ended up still leaving around 3-4am, so the crowds were all out on the street at once, just later at night.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    mmcn90 wrote: »
    If the Guards are closing them at 1, then they are being leniant and letting them open past 11.30 without a licence.

    Currently a Special exemption order costs €410 it allows a bar to serve the following hours:

    Monday - Thursday: 2.30 (Normally 11.30)
    Friday/Saturday: 2.30 (Normally 12.30)
    Sunday: 1.00 (Normally 11.00, except bank holidays, they can then serve until 2.30 rather than the normal 12.30)

    No licence currently exists for bars to close at 1.00 or 1.30 or any other time.

    This is all covered in Section 5 of The Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003, its nationwide, not one rule for one city and different for another

    Link

    Its not the Guards being assholes, its pubs not applying for their Special Exemption Order, simples

    That's the thing, I've talked to the GM's of a few places and al of them were able to show me receipts for payment of late licences.

    The problem seems to be this

    "(5) A special exemption order shall expire—

    (a) in case it extends to any Monday that is not a public holiday, at 1.00 a.m., or

    (b) in any other case, at 2.30 a.m.,

    unless the Court, for stated reasons, considers it expedient to grant the order for a shorter period."


    The bit in bold.

    Galway District has set the exemption to expire at 1am, have done for years, but it was never enforced.

    New dickhead is just being a hero.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    Seaneh wrote: »
    That's the thing, I've talked to the GM's of a few places and al of them were able to show me receipts for payment of late licences.

    The problem seems to be this

    "(5) A special exemption order shall expire—

    (a) in case it extends to any Monday that is not a public holiday, at 1.00 a.m., or

    (b) in any other case, at 2.30 a.m.,

    unless the Court, for stated reasons, considers it expedient to grant the order for a shorter period."


    The bit in bold.

    Galway District has set the exemption to expire at 1am, have done for years, but it was never enforced.

    New dickhead is just being a hero.

    I missed that bit. I've never heard of a district court setting a blanket ruling for a city though. I'm not denying it, I've just never heard it. It's time for a complete reform of the licensing system, the idea that a bar has to go to court every month to stay open late is ridiculous.

    In the uk, bars are scared of a charge of up to £4,600 for the year to stay open late. Here its €410 per night!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭ciano1


    foxy_19-89 wrote: »
    And you are right, we were thrown out of Supermacs at 3 last night, cops were in there, and they had come around and said "were closing in ten minutes, sorry".

    I work in the industry aswel, and if this becomes the trend it wont be long before shifts get shortened and all of a sudden there are not enough hours to work etc etc

    Really!? Why? Surely they don't need the exemption order to sell chips! :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭keano89


    I'd have no sympathy for any pub that charges over 4.40 for a pint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭TheCoolWay


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I thought they tried that in the UK and people ended up still leaving around 3-4am, so the crowds were all out on the street at once, just later at night.

    3-4? Sure I've been in Coppers many times as late as 4! I mean later like 6am. Was in a place years ago in Belgium until 8.30 place had well emptied by then!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Is this just happening in the city centre?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Is this just happening in the city centre?

    nowhere outside the centre opens late anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    TheCoolWay wrote: »
    3-4? Sure I've been in Coppers many times as late as 4! I mean later like 6am. Was in a place years ago in Belgium until 8.30 place had well emptied by then!

    People were free to stay later. Most of the crowd just don't. I'd get bored after an hour in a nightclub anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Is this just happening in the city centre?
    nowhere outside the centre opens late anyway...

    Not true.
    Not saying any more, for obvious reasons :-)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    inbox me.
    Unless you mean the place in moycullen?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭cfeeneyinterior


    Seaneh wrote: »
    inbox me.
    Unless you mean the place in moycullen?
    No thats the Auctioneer's office


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Technoprisoner


    What an excellent way to encourage binge drinking lol.... well done the super lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    keano89 wrote: »
    I'd have no sympathy for any pub that charges over 4.40 for a pint.

    go to Dublin and pay 6. publicans are greedy hoors.

    pubs are losing their relevance. at home I can smoke , choose my own music.get six cans for the price of two pints (that will change, you cannot have people getting cheap booze)and invite in however I want even people wearing trainers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    do pubs in Galway still do lock ins and the secret knock after closing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    do pubs in Galway still do lock ins and the secret knock after closing?
    yes. the lock ins are in Mill Street and the secret knocks are the luv making in de cells.

    it's all good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭dmcg90


    Its only going to drive up house parties, meaning Gardai are diverted away from the city centre, meaning less Gardai to cover anti-social behaviour outside pubs etc.

    Who stands to benefit in this ruling?

    The pubs? No
    Anyone going out? No
    The people depending on these jobs and business from local people and tourists? No

    Either, its some ploy to lower anti-social behaviour, which I doubt because if anything it would be to coincide with students going back, or its simple money grabbing after all the festivals are over. Either way, it'll hurt the Galway economy and it's image.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    In Dublin in the rare ould times if guard came into a pub where a politician would be drinking after hours he would be asked if he wanted a pint or a posting.
    I wonder what Fidelma would say if she was caught in a pub after hours?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    dmcg90 wrote: »
    Its only going to drive up house parties, meaning Gardai are diverted away from the city centre, meaning less Gardai to cover anti-social behaviour outside pubs etc.

    Who stands to benefit in this ruling?

    The pubs? No
    Anyone going out? No
    The people depending on these jobs and business from local people and tourists? No

    Either, its some ploy to lower anti-social behaviour, which I doubt because if anything it would be to coincide with students going back, or its simple money grabbing after all the festivals are over. Either way, it'll hurt the Galway economy and it's image.

    Gardai in the suburbs. you cant have that. what would the scumbags do about break ins?

    if pubs want customers then they have to start giving them something back. distribute a few cocktail sausages to show appreciation or something.

    BTW do you guys thinks its worth forking out ten euro plus to go a late night bar such as the quays. there may be a band on but they make a fortune from the booze. do the super pubs still bring up the price after a certain hour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    foxy_19-89 wrote: »
    And you are right, we were thrown out of Supermacs at 3 last night, cops were in there, and they had come around and said "were closing in ten minutes, sorry".


    I find this bit disturbing.

    I've no problem with the guards enforcing the law. (I don't love the idea of pubs closing earlier obviously, but bottom line, the law is the law.) But AFAIK there are no laws about when businesses like Supermacs may open, besides their planning permissions - which aren't the guards business to enforce.

    I'm quietly trusting that the bosses of Supermacs and the larger pubs are dealing with this problem at the properly levels. Seems to me that policing must be a lot more effective if the guards are working in conjunction with community/business leaders, rather than p***ing them all off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Got kicked out of the bentley at around 1am last night :( No gardai though. This is totally counter productive imo. What problems are the gardai aiming to solve by enforcing Ireland's archaic alcohol licensing laws? Which by the way are totally ridiculous and need to be completely over hauled but that's for another thread. If this nonsense continues late bars and clubs will shut down, Galway's nightlife will be destroyed and a lot of people will lose their jobs. I really can't see what this new superintedant is hoping to achieve here. Has any decent late bar or club paid for a late license?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    Over 90 posts, most of which are moaning about the law being enforced.

    No wonder Ireland has had so many corruption scandals in politics and business. The attitude that led to those scandals obviously hasn't changed and the vicious circle of the nod and wink, 'ah sure it'll be grand', 'jobs will be lost if you enforce the law'....and so on with the excuses will inevitably continue.

    Well done to the new Superintendent for having the balls to actually enforce the law rather than permitting the previous lax system to prevail.

    If people believe the laws are unfair, lobby the politicians to change them but don't blame the Superintendent for enforcing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭sgthighway


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Over 90 posts, most of which are moaning about the law being enforced.

    No wonder Ireland has had so many corruption scandals in politics and business. The attitude that led to those scandals obviously hasn't changed and the vicious circle of the nod and wink, 'ah sure it'll be grand', 'jobs will be lost if you enforce the law'....and so on with the excuses will inevitably continue.

    Well done to the new Superintendent for having the balls to actually enforce the law rather than permitting the previous lax system to prevail.

    If people believe the laws are unfair, lobby the politicians to change them but don't blame the Superintendent for enforcing them.

    I would kind of agree. I would go out earlier if I knew the pubs closed earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Over 90 posts, most of which are moaning about the law being enforced.

    No wonder Ireland has had so many corruption scandals in politics and business. The attitude that led to those scandals obviously hasn't changed and the vicious circle of the nod and wink, 'ah sure it'll be grand', 'jobs will be lost if you enforce the law'....and so on with the excuses will inevitably continue.

    Well done to the new Superintendent for having the balls to actually enforce the law rather than permitting the previous lax system to prevail.

    If people believe the laws are unfair, lobby the politicians to change them but don't blame the Superintendent for enforcing them.

    Bang on. I do think the laws are unfair. I think there should be more freedom for the people. And that's from a guy who hasn't had a touch of alcohol in 6 months and don't plan to until X-mas. If the law is 1pm then it's the law that needs to change not the fact the Gardai are doing their job.

    Anybody know who would be the correct person to e-mail about this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,261 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Bang on. I do think the laws are unfair. I think there should be more freedom for the people. And that's from a guy who hasn't had a touch of alcohol in 6 months and don't plan to until X-mas. If the law is 1pm then it's the law that needs to change not the fact the Gardai are doing their job.

    Anybody know who would be the correct person to e-mail about this?
    Jesus if its that early we are all done for and the pubs may aswell cease trading, i mean you would wanna be in by breakfast time to make a go of it!! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭ciano1


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Over 90 posts, most of which are moaning about the law being enforced.

    No wonder Ireland has had so many corruption scandals in politics and business. The attitude that led to those scandals obviously hasn't changed and the vicious circle of the nod and wink, 'ah sure it'll be grand', 'jobs will be lost if you enforce the law'....and so on with the excuses will inevitably continue.

    Well done to the new Superintendent for having the balls to actually enforce the law rather than permitting the previous lax system to prevail.

    If people believe the laws are unfair, lobby the politicians to change them but don't blame the Superintendent for enforcing them.

    You sound like great craic!

    Was in carbon last night.. Seemed to be business as usual. Closed after 2am afaik!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Can anyone tell me why some clubs in Dublin, e.g. Coppers, can stay open till 4, while most clubs close at 2.30? Also, how do the late night wine bars (which essentially are clubs) e.g. Leggs, stay open until like 6??

    Is there any place in Galway that stays open to the public after 2.30?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Bang on. I do think the laws are unfair. I think there should be more freedom for the people. And that's from a guy who hasn't had a touch of alcohol in 6 months and don't plan to until X-mas. If the law is 1pm then it's the law that needs to change not the fact the Gardai are doing their job.

    Anybody know who would be the correct person to e-mail about this?

    Your TD, and the Minister who's in charge of the area (sorry I don't know who that is).

    But in person, or by old fashioned paper-based letter; emails are way to easy to write, so not taken as seriously.


    But , if there is more licensing law reform, don't expect things to go in the direction of "more freedom": that's been tried, and the level of alcohol consumption went up - with all it's related health and social-disorder effects. If anything law change is likely to be about reducing these, and likely steps include more restricted opening ours, removing alcohol from convenience shops, minimum prices. And IMHO they really should require anywhere serving alcohol to serve food too (soakage, and to reduce time spend drinking)- but I doubt this will happen 'cos too many pubs here simply don't have the space.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Bang on. I do think the laws are unfair. I think there should be more freedom for the people. And that's from a guy who hasn't had a touch of alcohol in 6 months and don't plan to until X-mas. If the law is 1pm then it's the law that needs to change not the fact the Gardai are doing their job.

    Anybody know who would be the correct person to e-mail about this?

    The law is actully 2am, but the local court has descrition to make it earlier if "they have a valid reason". I'd argue there is no valid reason being given and the local court needs to cop the **** on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    THFC wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me why some clubs in Dublin, e.g. Coppers, can stay open till 4, while most clubs close at 2.30? Also, how do the late night wine bars (which essentially are clubs) e.g. Leggs, stay open until like 6??

    Is there any place in Galway that stays open to the public after 2.30?

    Coppers basically doesn't get touched because it's where the Gardai all drink so raiding the place would mean a newpaper headline of "150 Gardi, 200 Nurses and 300 school teachers appeared in court today".
    Wouldn't look great in fairness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Well done to the new Superintendent for having the balls to actually enforce the law rather than permitting the previous lax system to prevail.

    Somebody needs to stop this guy before he ruins the place !

    Looking at an earler thread here about the clubs that used to exist in Salthill clearly shows the danger posed to the city's reputation by the over zealous application of the law by a new Garda Superintendant.

    Salthill went from being one of the premiere resorts in Ireland to it's present sorry state in less than 20 years because the clubs there were put out of business by a Super on a mission from God.

    While unavailable for comment this week, the Superintendent told the local press last year that, "Excessive consumption of alcohol and illegal drugs are the source of all problems on our streets. The most common defence in the Courts for unruly behaviour is that of intoxication. The Gardai have dealt with, and will continue to deal with, the problems on the streets."

    He denied 'targeting' Vagabond's, one of Salthill's longest-running clubs, which closed last year after the owner was told that it was unlikely he'd get his dance licence renewed. The 27 staff who lost their jobs as a result later made it onto the front-page of the City Tribune when they picketed Salthill Garda station.

    With The Castle throwing in the towel at roughly the same time, the only dance club still running in the resort is Liquid.

    http://ads.hotpress.com/archive/415929.html

    The slogan 'Come to Galway to get hassled by the Gardai' will kill our tourist industry stone dead, just what we need in the debths of a recession !

    :(


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