Once Upon A Time (ABC) [ Spoilers ]

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 16-12-2013 8:35pm

jenjenten wrote: »

what about aurora and mulan....its deffo an undercurrent.

I dunno, I kind of thought that was just a bone they tossed to the fans clamoring for a gay couple. No coincidence they promoted the next episode super heavily with the Captain Swan kiss?

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Jebus they rapped that episode up quite quick, poor Rumple too. Swan Queen angle looks likely now given the whole never believing what she was capable of thing with Emma, I hope they manage a 4th season as if it is just two episodes left I feel kind of let down.

One major plot hole, who is the new Dark One?

Two episodes? There's about 11 left this season anyway.

The person who kills the Dark One becomes the new Dark One so as Rumple killed himself (assuming he's actually dead) there is no new Dark One?

CastorTroy · 16-12-2013 11:55pm

When it showed the VW Beetle in the opening, I was hoping for a Herbie appearance.

At least the ending answered one question: Would they remember the events of Storybrooke when they got back to the Enchanted Forest? Hook clearly does.

littleteapot · 17-12-2013 1:00am

CastorTroy wrote: »

At least the ending answered one question: Would they remember the events of Storybrooke when they got back to the Enchanted Forest? Hook clearly does.

And in the promo for the next episode Snow says "we're back" or something like that...I'm guessing they all remember. That promo was mind boggling though, wasn't it? Why was Robin Hood with Dr Whale in Storybrooke? Is it a flashback, flash sideways, flash forward? Why were Emma and Regina in what looked like Regina's office in Storybrooke, or having dinner or something? It just makes me want the next episode so much more!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 17-12-2013 1:27am

Are they in Storybrook though? It's not supposed to exist anymore because the curse is undone. There's a scene of Belle in what looks like a town meeting asking if they know who cursed them. Is it possible that the new big bad is randomly plucking people from the forest and sending them back to the real world?

Funny that the episode actually wrapped things up fairly neatly but the promo just makes no sense, leaves so many questions.

littleteapot · 17-12-2013 1:36am

The wallpaper in the Emma and Regina promo scene was definitely the same wallpaper as in Regina's office in Storybrook. Other than that I don't know for sure that it is Storybrook. Whale is definitely in his Doctor get-up too.
I don't know how I'm going to make it til March to find out wtf is going on.

Does anyone actually think

Rumple

will stay dead? I really don't think so.

Also, was anyone as pissed off as I was that the blue fairy couldn't bloody stay dead?? She sucks! I really think she's going to be a big bad in the future, possibly the ultimate big bad.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 17-12-2013 1:58am

I'm not sure they'd let

Robert Carlisle

leave even if he wanted to. I assume the original main cast all signed the standard 6 seasons contract, so I'd say he'll be back.

I just watched the promo and paused it a lot, and yeah... there's definitely an Emma/Regina scene, and it looks like Emma is in the scene with Belle too. Also, Robin Hood is in the scene with Dr. Whale, which makes no sense at all as Robin Hood never came to Storybrook in the first place! Just noticed Hook is in that scene too.

bren2001 · 17-12-2013 10:10am

For some reason I thought last week was the finale. I'm glad I follow this thread.

The narrator does say "one of the world's most sinister characters invades Storybrook". Combining that with the Dr Whale scene I imagine Storybrook comes back.

I was quite apprehensive with the mid season finale initially especially the resetting of some of the characters memories but it does set up a nice second half the season. Seeing snow and charming trying to set back up fairytale land. The power struggle they would have to overcome in that a lot of people wouldn't want a king or queen after living in Storybrook. The proper exploration of fairytale land and how it works. It was also a good way to write Emma and Henry out of the show and they would of got their "happy ending". That is not what they are doing at all but it is what I would like to see.

I do think Storybrook has run its course. I think going back to it would make season 4 very boring. It would just be a new villain attacks Storybrook. I do want to see them travel to new lands.

Rumple ain't dead. If he is, I'm leaving. He is clearly the best actor and character by several country miles.

gazzer · 17-12-2013 11:02am

That episode was fantastic. I have loved Season 3 so far (apart from Snow and Charming and there nauseating 'Love' speeches).

It really felt like a Series ending rather than a Season (or rather Mid Season) finale.

Just when I thought it couldnt get any better they show the promo for next March :eek: I saw

Wicked in the Bord Gais Theater

on Saturday so it was a brilliant surprise to see this character in the promo.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 17-12-2013 1:01pm

gazzer wrote: »

It really felt like a Series ending rather than a Season (or rather Mid Season) finale.

Just when I thought it couldnt get any better they show the promo for next March :eek: I saw
Wicked in the Bord Gais Theater
on Saturday so it was a brilliant surprise to see this character in the promo.

I thought that too, it felt like a series finale. Tink gets her wings back, Regina, Rumple and Hook all redeemed and Emma and Henry get a happy ending. Obviously still a few loose ends but it would have made for a very strong last episode ever.

I saw Wicked in the Bord Gais too!

While it was incredible, best thing I've ever seen, I hope it's the Wizard of Oz version of the Wicked witch they're bringing in, and not "Elphaba". She's not exactly a villain, is she. With all the other "big bads" defeated or turned good they need a proper villain and not a misunderstood humanitarian like Elphaba

CastorTroy · 17-12-2013 3:15pm

Could imagine when Emma and Henry got home
"Mom, where's all my stuff?"

And they're going to have fun trying to rebuild the castle and all considering the state it was in when we last saw it.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 17-12-2013 3:32pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

And they're going to have fun trying to rebuild the castle and all considering the state it was in when we last saw it.

If the spell/curse was undone though... shouldn't Fairy Tale Land be as it was before it was cast? If Storybrook disappears because the spell created it, surely all the damage it did should be undone too?

Personally I hope they all have to live outside, I hate those CGI sets with a passion!

Agent Coulson · 17-12-2013 3:54pm

Channel 5 in the UK have dropped it.

Part of me hopes they don't go back to Fairy Tale land or Storybrook. Have everyone based in NY fish out of water type storyline.(not sure that would work though).

maik3n · 17-12-2013 10:24pm

Surely, since Baelfire ended up in the real world, so to speak, before Reginas curse hit, he should still be knocking about in NY as Neal, with all of his memories intact?

Also, anyone else wondering how exactly Rumple called his shadow, when all of his magic was supposed to be blocked?

From the scenes leading up to the showdown, it kind of looked like he was about to lop his hand off but it doesn't seem like he went that route after all.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 18-12-2013 12:41am

^ Regina said something along the lines of Emma should have gone back too but because it would have left Henry on his own she could let her leave too. She didn't really explain it that well, and whatever loophole allowed that should have applied to Neal as well, even if it was just a quick one of you can stay, but not both.

I might have to watch it again.

BlitzKrieg · 18-12-2013 5:19am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Channel 5 in the UK have dropped it.

Part of me hopes they don't go back to Fairy Tale land or Storybrook. Have everyone based in NY fish out of water type storyline.(not sure that would work though).

the show's already borrowed enough from fables if they set it in new york then Warner Bros will be up in arms.

personnally wasnt a fan of the ending, it left a lot of holes in the events and was somewhat rushed.

Not to mention the opening was really jarring with how everyone was standing around calmly as rumple expositioned the stakes/plan and you had Pan casting the curse.

The only detail I liked is the reveal of where the fairy tale book started and how it miht tie to something much bigger. It also very briefly touches on an issue that's come up here in questions a few times. Henry was the only person in storybrooke getting older.

bren2001 · 19-12-2013 12:11pm

maik3n wrote: »

Surely, since Baelfire ended up in the real world, so to speak, before Reginas curse hit, he should still be knocking about in NY as Neal, with all of his memories intact?

Also, anyone else wondering how exactly Rumple called his shadow, when all of his magic was supposed to be blocked?

Just because Rumple's magic was restricted doesn't mean the couldn't control his own shadow. His shadow was ripped from his body and will only respond to him. Don't think he needs any magic to control it.

Johnmb · 19-12-2013 6:25pm

bren2001 wrote: »

Just because Rumple's magic was restricted doesn't mean the couldn't control his own shadow. His shadow was ripped from his body and will only respond to him. Don't think he needs any magic to control it.

He shouldn't need any magic to do it, Pan was able to control his shadow when he was in Henry's body and lacking his power (I assume he was lacking it given how he didn't use any, up until he removed the heart, but Hook was able to do that too with the right spell).

jenjenten · 23-12-2013 8:55pm

Just saw the last episode there....soooo sad

, i wonder how Hook remembers and got to NY

They've wiped the slate clean, and now we wait until....March! :mad:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 23-12-2013 8:58pm

jenjenten wrote: »

Just saw the last episode there....soooo sad , i wonder how Hook remembers and got to NY

They've wiped the slate clean, and now we wait until....March! :mad:

Everyone remembers except Emma and Henry.

DeWitt · 23-12-2013 9:06pm

jenjenten wrote: »

Just saw the last episode there....soooo sad , i wonder how Hook remembers and got to NY

They've wiped the slate clean, and now we wait until....March! :mad:

I was such a blubbering mess during those last 10minutes. I don't think I'll ever get over the fact that Regina "Evil Queen" Mills gave Emma "the Savior" Swan her happy ending. MY FEELS!
Gotta say I'm super excited for the enchanted Forest, and the way I read the promo was EF scenes will all be told in flashbacks of the year that passed for Emma and Henry, and new curse Storybrooke will be the present day.

And no way in hell is Rumple dead. He'll be back.

jenjenten wrote: »

what about aurora and mulan....its deffo an undercurrent.

Sarah Bolger was at a con in France over the weekend and pretty much confirmed nothing would be happening between Mulan & Aurora(because the actresses are on diff shows). She also confirmed that yes, Mulan was going to declare her love for Aurora not Phillip.

Niles · 24-12-2013 2:37pm

maik3n wrote: »

Surely, since Baelfire ended up in the real world, so to speak, before Reginas curse hit, he should still be knocking about in NY as Neal, with all of his memories intact?

Same thought struck me. If you want to get pedantic then technically Pinnochio came through before the curse as well (as much as Emma did).

And what about characters who came through after the curse? Hook, the Giant, Ariel...

And the Lost Boys? Back to Neverland or do they go to their pre-Neverland lives?

So many questions!

DeWitt · 24-12-2013 5:10pm

It's anyone who wasn't born in this realm that was sent back. Emma only gets to escape it with Henry because she (her parent's True Love)was part of the original curse. She is the Saviour of the dark curse.
The only one this scenario raises question over is Cinderella's baby because she was born in Storybrooke. Is lil baby Alexandra left fending for herself in a forest somewhere in Maine?

Then again maybe they'd argue it's anyone not conceived in this world.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-12-2013 6:14pm

This may be over thinking it a bit but.... if they've "undone" the curse, which is how they explained Storybrook not existing anymore.... should Emma still even exist? If she was born to be the saviour, but there's no curse...... shouldn't she just be a regular Enchanted Forest baby?

Also, Hook isn't from the Enchanted Forest, is he? He's either from the imaginary UK in Peter Pan land or he's from the real world and ended up in Neverland and then everywhere else. Still not clear on that. Could explain why he's the one that can come back to find Emma, but still doesn't explain why everyone else ends up together in the Enchanted Forest, or indeed why Neal had to go back too.

DeWitt · 24-12-2013 8:08pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

This may be over thinking it a bit but.... if they've "undone" the curse, which is how they explained Storybrook not existing anymore.... should Emma still even exist? If she was born to be the saviour, but there's no curse...... shouldn't she just be a regular Enchanted Forest baby?

Also, Hook isn't from the Enchanted Forest, is he? He's either from the imaginary UK in Peter Pan land or he's from the real world and ended up in Neverland and then everywhere else. Still not clear on that. Could explain why he's the one that can come back to find Emma, but still doesn't explain why everyone else ends up together in the Enchanted Forest, or indeed why Neal had to go back too.

Well I don't think he's from the real world because that ship he was on with his brother was able to fly with the aid of dead Pegasus wings. Whatever world he is from clearly had magic(that the masses were aware of). But yeah, I'm confused on the Hook thing too.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 24-12-2013 10:02pm

DeWitt wrote: »

Well I don't think he's from the real world because that ship he was on with his brother was able to fly with the aid of dead Pegasus wings. Whatever world he is from clearly had magic(that the masses were aware of). But yeah, I'm confused on the Hook thing too.

But... when Wendy came back with them and her brother's said they were going home... how? They were in the real world and it's been made abundantly clear that there's no beans and opening portals isn't just like clicking your fingers, so how were they going home?

DeWitt · 24-12-2013 10:27pm

Haha, oh god, it's probably best not thinking about. Plot holes galore.

Johnmb · 25-12-2013 5:34pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

But... when Wendy came back with them and her brother's said they were going home... how? They were in the real world and it's been made abundantly clear that there's no beans and opening portals isn't just like clicking your fingers, so how were they going home?

Wendy and her brothers were originally from the real world, so they are home as far as the physical place goes. Of course, everyone they knew as children (apart from Baelfire) is long dead at this stage....

jenjenten · 25-12-2013 6:03pm

DeWitt wrote: »

Haha, oh god, it's probably best not thinking about. Plot holes galore.

Yes.....its a fairytale show, you have to let the plotholes side.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-12-2013 2:50am

Johnmb wrote: »

Wendy and her brothers were originally from the real world, so they are home as far as the physical place goes. Of course, everyone they knew as children (apart from Baelfire) is long dead at this stage....

If Wendy and her brothers were from the real world, despite being characters in a book, then Hook could be too. Pan's Shadow came to the "real world" to take Wendy and then Baelfire to Neverland, so magic obviously existed, even if nobody knew about it. So it's possible that Hook and his brother were originally in the real world too, but somehow the King they were serving was aware of magic?

Johnmb · 26-12-2013 1:25pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

If Wendy and her brothers were from the real world, despite being characters in a book, then Hook could be too. Pan's Shadow came to the "real world" to take Wendy and then Baelfire to Neverland, so magic obviously existed, even if nobody knew about it. So it's possible that Hook and his brother were originally in the real world too, but somehow the King they were serving was aware of magic?

It's possible, but there was absolutely nothing given in the show to imply that Hook came from the same world as Wendy. The reason I think Wendy came from the real world is because Baelfire was originally headed to a world without magic through the portal, so I assumed that meant the real world. Either way, Pan's shadow can obviously exist in world's without magic because that's where Baelfire originally ended up (whether it was the real world or another one without magic).

RobbingBandit · 26-12-2013 1:44pm

The story of Wendy is set in the real world, Edwardian London, she is still a fictional character. Hook and his brother were on a mission for a money hungry King, King George/Prince Charmings father fits this bill.

JP Liz V1 · 20-01-2014 11:50pm

Source TV Line

Series creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis tell TVLine exclusively that the fantastical series will be killing off a major character during the second batch of 11 episodes (launching March 9), resulting in the exit of a series regular. “The character dies, for real,” Kitsis makes clear — at which point his/her portrayer will, make no mistake, leave the show.

DeWitt · 21-01-2014 12:42am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Source TV Line
Series creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis tell TVLine exclusively that the fantastical series will be killing off a major character during the second batch of 11 episodes (launching March 9), resulting in the exit of a series regular. “The character dies, for real,” Kitsis makes clear — at which point his/her portrayer will, make no mistake, leave the show.

It's a toss between Hook and Neal, and I'm leaning slightly more towards Hook. They only released this spoiler because a PA let it leak on twitter last week that a member of the cast was unhappy and asked to leave. Colin has a new baby, and honestly the way they're writing Hook lately is a shambles. Colin has more to offer than fawning over and chasing Emma Swan.

It's obviously not Snowing, Emma, Henry or Regina. I don't think they'd kill Belle because the Rumbellers are a pretty big fandom...then again maybe Emilie is unhappy...it's not like they're giving her much to do.

Neal? Maybe. I've never been his biggest fan, but I have to admit he has the potential to grow on me. But they already "killed" Neal last season we don't need a rehash of those emotions.

So yeah, my money's on Hook. He'll die saving Emma or something.

RobbingBandit · 21-01-2014 12:46am

Regina would be my guess, Wicked Witch will melt her leaving only one evil witch/Queen/whatever:P

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 21-01-2014 12:48am

I don't know if they'd kill

Hook. He's hugely popular and as for how he's been written he's no better or worse than anyone else. OUAT is not a high quality show. It's entertaining and I know what to expect from it so I don't go in looking for high quality drama every week. If anyone on the show thinks they're not getting good writing they're on the wrong show. As for Colin, I don't know if he'd ask to leave. It's his first proper big break and as you say, he's got a new baby, which I would have thought would have made him want to stay where he gets a regular paycheck.

RobbingBandit · 21-01-2014 12:48am

Just picked up season 1 and 2 in Xtravision tonight for €50 on DVD for a present, been looking for it for a month. Way over priced imo but am looking forward to introducing someone to this show.

DeWitt · 21-01-2014 1:29am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I don't know if they'd kill
Hook. He's hugely popular and as for how he's been written he's no better or worse than anyone else. OUAT is not a high quality show. It's entertaining and I know what to expect from it so I don't go in looking for high quality drama every week. If anyone on the show thinks they're not getting good writing they're on the wrong show. As for Colin, I don't know if he'd ask to leave. It's his first proper big break and as you say, he's got a new baby, which I would have thought would have made him want to stay where he gets a regular paycheck.

Months of speculation ahead of us. Oh joy. No doubt it'll leak before it's time anyway.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 21-01-2014 1:53am

^ Twitter will solve it as soon as someone tweets from LA or somewhere while filming is still happening in Vancouver.

DeWitt · 21-01-2014 2:40am

Yeah, that happened with a character on Nikita.

DeWitt · 22-01-2014 12:23am

Okay, now I'm convinced it's either Belle or Hook. The fandom as a whole aren't particularly invested in Neal ( or not at least from what I've seen)

JP Liz V1 · 22-01-2014 12:26am

As long as it isn't

Rump, Regina, Emma or Hook don't care who else and Henry wouldn't be missed

DeWitt · 22-01-2014 12:31am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

As long as it isn't
Rump, Regina, Emma or Hook don't care who else and Henry wouldn't be missed

LOL. I think I'd give anything for it to be Henry. Still wish the bodyswap was a permanent thing so we could keep Robbie Kay.

RobbingBandit · 22-01-2014 12:46am

Without Rumple what good is Belle, Beauty needs her Beast, she would be the most logical one to be gone, they could always morph her into Dorothy seeing as she is from Oz and the creators love their puns.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 22-01-2014 1:17am

Would they kill off

Hook though after kind of making it clear that he's Emma's love interest. They killed off Graham as soon as she kissed him. Would they do it again?

DeWitt · 22-01-2014 1:38am

This is the Once writers we're talking about. I wouldn't put anything passed them. Cohesive storytelling isn't exactly their forte.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 22-01-2014 2:25am

Also, that spoiler up there from Van City Filming, or whatever it's called implies the death has been filmed already, so.... interesting to see who is or isn't spotted filming over the next few weeks.

Agent Coulson · 22-01-2014 2:32am

It's

probably Ruby/Red Riding Hood who is now in Intelligence.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 22-01-2014 11:39am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's
probably Ruby/Red Riding Hood who is now in Intelligence.

Not a major character though, and I doubt the "fandom" would lose it over a character that hasn't been on the show for over a year anyway.

jenjenten · 22-01-2014 1:02pm

The Mulan/Aurora thing has now been pretty much confirmed....though i doubt ABC/Disney will be making any comment, we cant have a gay Disney princess!

http://www.eonline.com/news/501450/once-upon-a-time-s-jamie-chung-speaks-out-on-mulan-s-gay-reveal-her-heart-is-with-aurora?cmpid=eonline-twitter&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=twitterfeed&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_topstories&dlvrit=48939

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 23-01-2014 12:49pm

Pictures from filming yesterday feature....

Emma, Charming, Snow, Tink and Belle

Safe to assume none of them are dead?

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