How effective is spinning for trout?

prettygurrly · 15-11-2010 5:33pm

aw thank you! that's very nice of you...we'll see how he fairs with the spinning and if he expresses an interest in the fly i will let him know that you're willing to pass on your knowledge

really kind of you

prettygurrly · 05-01-2011 10:58pm

well i got him the spinning reel and he was over the moon.

told him that he has the offer of some tuition on the fly fishing and he was delighted. Going to get started on the spinning after the date and then see if we progress.

Just one question, is the shannon river fly only? we're going to be getting a boat out for a week in June with the folks and would like to do some fishing there too..

thanks for all the comments and advice, you're great

thehamo · 06-01-2011 1:05pm

hey prettygurl,

the shannon woildnt be much of a trout fishery i dont think. It would be more well know for course fishing, i.e. bream, raoch, rudd, perch, pike etc which would be caught primarily using bait. Spinning on the shannon is more than likely going to catch a pike or perch than anything else, which, in a pikes case anyway, would need a bit of expertise to land and handle.

prettygurrly · 26-01-2011 12:39pm

hello again,

so i was just thinking about the whole fishing thing again...you need a state licence to catch salmon and sea trout, so if you're only wanting to catch brown trout and anything other than salmon or sea trout (as le hamo has pointed out) then you just need to get a pass from the local angling club. so does this mean if you catch a salmon by accident its ok as long as you throw it back? if you're spinning will the salmon die anyway if thrown back? do salmon and brown trout often live in the same river? how likely is that to happen? and finally i quite like salmon to eat so i may have to persuade the bf that in fact he does want to catch salmon even if it will cost him €120 per year

(you'd think i'd know this stuff with a science degree but no

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aidanf · 26-01-2011 1:05pm

prettygurrly wrote: »

hello again,

so i was just thinking about the whole fishing thing again...you need a state licence to catch salmon and sea trout, so if you're only wanting to catch brown trout and anything other than salmon or sea trout (as le hamo has pointed out) then you just need to get a pass from the local angling club. so does this mean if you catch a salmon by accident its ok as long as you throw it back? if you're spinning will the salmon die anyway if thrown back? do salmon and brown trout often live in the same river? how likely is that to happen? and finally i quite like salmon to eat so i may have to persuade the bf that in fact he does want to catch salmon even if it will cost him €120 per year

(you'd think i'd know this stuff with a science degree but no )

Yes, if you accidentally catch a salmon or sea trout you are obliged to return it if you don't have a state licence for salmon or sea trout. When you get a state licence you are issued a logbook and a number of tags for the year. When you catch a salmon/sea trout you are supposed to log it and tag it immediately. Being found in possession of a dead salmon or sea-trout that doesn't have a tag is an offence regardless of whether you caught it accidentally or even if you do have a licence but failed to tag the fish. Also several rivers are completely closed to salmon and sea trout angling so you can't fish for them there even if you have a state licence.

Incidentally, I don't fish for salmon but from what I've heard they are difficult to catch. Also rivers that get a good run of salmon are often expensive to get permits for.

SeaFields · 26-01-2011 1:07pm

prettygurrly wrote: »

you need a state licence to catch salmon and sea trout, so if you're only wanting to catch brown trout and anything other than salmon or sea trout (as le hamo has pointed out) then you just need to get a pass from the local angling club.

Basically yes. A state salmon licence is required for salmon and sea trout. Many waters are controlled by clubs too (its in the best interests of the fish really that a club looks after the river). Usually they are open to new members but many are moving toward fly only. Many waters are free too. I'd say get him this book. He'll refer to it again and again if he starts fishing again. All the rivers listed, what you catch in them and if a permit is needed where to get it.

so does this mean if you catch a salmon by accident its ok as long as you throw it back?

Legally yes. The odd salmon has been knocked on the head by a young angler who never caught on before. A few years back I saw a young lad with a 4/5lb salmon running home with his tiny trout rod in the other hand. He'll never forget that battle I'd say. But if he want to fish for salmon all the time then salmon licence is a must. He could find himself fined or in court otherwise.

If you're spinning will the salmon die anyway if thrown back?

It depends on a number of factors. If it is caught by an experienced angler then probably not.

do salmon and brown trout often live in the same river?

Yeah, all the time. Nearly every stream and river in the country has brown trout in it. Once there is a path to the sea, salmon will run the river too once they havent been fished out.

and finally i quite like salmon to eat so i may have to persuade the bf that in fact he does want to catch salmon even if it will cost him €120 per year

There's alway birthday presents from yourself like

prettygurrly · 26-01-2011 1:31pm

thank you for both of those really comprehensive replies! so you basically affirmed what I was thinking. Hopefully the rivers will still let spinning in Louth and afar (we plan on doing some day trips etc.) so that book will come in handy. And yes I could get him a licence for his bday if I hadn't already got him a present

I dont think we'll need it, as aidan said, salmon are notoriously hard to catch!

gotta love the ppl on boards.ie for help on subjects that i have no clue on!

Bizzum · 26-01-2011 3:03pm

prettygurrly wrote: »

salmon are notoriously hard to catch!

You just need to be a bit careful where you fish as it is illegal to fish for salmon using some methods, that is fish for, not to mention even catching one. certain times of the year at certain places its not that difficult to catch one, in fact its very easy!
Be sure you talk to your local angling club and be familiar with local regulations, it can be very confusing with the reams of regulations out there.
Best of luck.

surripere · 26-01-2011 7:20pm

If you must spin for trout on our rivers I would kindly ask you to use single barbless hooks. I refer to spinners as trout skewers, glad to see they are finally banned on my local river.

Evac105 · 27-01-2011 11:17am

coolwings wrote: »

A fly caught fish is in the mouth on a single hook.
A worm caught fish is often (young trout) deep hooked in the upper gut, or rear mouth (gills area) on a single.
A spinner caught fish is mouth hooked with up to three hooks, or up to six hooks in the case of Rapala type lures.

All true and on lakes where 'trotting' isn't possible I would agree that it's completely down to luck whether the fish is return-able after being caught using these methods.

If the lake isn't catch and return only though and that the intent is to keep the fish for the table does it make any difference? With many lakes being stocked with only fish > 3/4 lbs the overwhelming majority of the stock are in excess of the keep size. I ask that to find out perspectives, not as a challenge to anyone's views.

How effective is spinning for trout?

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