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Horrific Footage of Homeless Schizophrenic beaten by cops

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  • #152
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Johro wrote: »
    Except you couldn't be more wrong.
    It's pretty obvious to everyone else that excessive force was used, to put it mildly. To put it factually, they battered a vulnerable person to death.

    It was obvious to everyone that OJ was a dead cert for that murder charge. It was obvious to everyone that those evil cops murdered Amado Diallo yet they were acquitted. It was obvious to everyone that treyvon was gunned down by an angry white guy who turned out to be hispanic. Obvious to everyone don't mean sh**t in these scenarios


  • #153
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MagicSean wrote: »
    You don't consider that unfortunate?

    Describing that man's violent death as 'unfortunate' is a bit like describing a beheading as a 'flesh wound'.


  • #154
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Bambi wrote: »
    You're the one throwing the accusations around so I'm assuming that you should have a handle on what they are in this case. Or that you at least know the difference between things like noncompliance, resistance and assault.


    .....emm, hang on a tic -
    Bambi wrote: »
    So now that I've told you that, you show me where in that video they exceeded their use of force matrix

    .....that implies specific knowledge on your part.

    Not really, I just find it funny that people think their oh-the-humanity-that's-so-waffles response to seeing a guy being beaten is in anyway as valid as an understanding of the relevant laws or use of force matrix that the cops were operating under.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78586903

    and you're the one here slagging off people for not knowing the "use of force matrix".

    Are you saying that you don't know?
    Bambi wrote: »
    So yeah, nodin so us where this skinny fella was assaulting the coppers, as opposed to resisting as opposed to complying I can't see what he's doing in the the same way i cant see them smacking him in the head with a torch or crushing his larynx

    .....I never read Joyce. Anyhoo - what is it you're trying to get at there?


  • #155
    Jess16
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Jess16


    Homeless, alone and beaten to death by people who should have been protecting him. Rest in peace poor man, my heart has just broken for you :(


  • #156
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MagicSean wrote: »
    ..........


    That doesn't prove that they didn't do what they were trained to.

    ..............

    While its possible they're trained to beat grounded people to a pulp when they have a large number of fellow officers in support, its unlikely, as doubtless somebody would have mentioned the large number of "previous" at the door of this department by now.


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  • #157
    KamiKazeKitten
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭KamiKazeKitten


    Bambi wrote: »
    Why yes , yes I am telling you that cops might not be able to handle some people, there's tons of precedent for it.

    They have him pinned down in the video. Precedent or not, they seemed to be controlling him fairly well at that stage.
    Bambi wrote: »
    So now that I've told you that, you show me where in that video they exceeded their use of force matrix? Fourth time of asking. It should be easy peesy. :confused:

    Show me this "force matrix" then and I will.
    Bambi wrote: »
    I see a skinny guy managing to resist a half dozen cops, stay on his back and take multiple tazers shots.

    I see some beefy cops holding down a skinny guy, who doesn't even seem to have a pair of shoes on. Muhammad Ali he ain't.
    Bambi wrote: »
    You'll also hear a cop stating that he's on something. I'm guessing that this guy might have actually been on something :eek:

    According to tallus your guess is incorrect. :)
    What was that you were saying about notions earlier...


  • #158
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Bambi wrote: »
    It was obvious to everyone that OJ was a dead cert for that murder charge. It was obvious to everyone that those evil cops murdered Amado Diallo yet they were acquitted. It was obvious to everyone that treyvon was gunned down by an angry white guy who turned out to be hispanic. Obvious to everyone don't mean sh**t in these scenarios
    Unless you have actual footage of the incident. I thought that was obvious.


  • #159
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Bambi wrote: »
    Violent scene is shocking shock :eek:

    How not to get beaten up by de coppers 101:

    Do: comply with lawful directions.

    Don't: tell them your sick of being told what to do and then run off

    Thats not how to avoid being beaten by cops thats how to avoid getting beaten by brainless thugs who have no business being in uniform.


  • #160
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    The new york and la cops have a nasty reputation and its well deserved. Apart from those states I found the american cops quite friendly.


  • #161
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Yeah, I'm amazed at the predictability of the internet sometimes, this is about as black and white as you can get.

    However, you just knew that there would be someone trying to defend the indefensible, in the face of video evidence ????


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  • #162
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The new york and la cops have a nasty reputation and its well deserved. Apart from those states I found the american cops quite friendly.

    Trying to be smart with a cop is not good idea,
    they have all the power, Anyone who thinks they can get one over a bunch of cops is a idiot,
    Just do as they say, And it would not come to what happened in video,


  • #163
    KittyeeTrix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭KittyeeTrix


    MagicSean wrote: »
    They repeatedly told him to do the same thing over and over. i would take this to mean he was not doing it.

    Dear god..............I cannot believe I just read this comment from someone who has presumably watched the same CCTV footage that I have.:confused::confused:

    What exactly do you mean by it??
    You cannot mean that they were justified or right to proceed in the manner that they did because he couldn't physically manage to put his hands behind his back since 2 of the fat Baxtards were sitting on feckin top of him!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
    Jess16 wrote: »
    Homeless, alone and beaten to death by people who should have been protecting him. Rest in peace poor man, my heart has just broken for you :(

    Same here. Very disturbing and distressing to watch. :(


  • #164
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    It must be a requirement in california to be a fat incompetent fcuk to join the police. This crazy episode is just one of many mind boggling mess undertaken by members of the california police force.

    Twist it with what ever means of naive or warped rational you rely on, this was wrong, this was brutal, this was not needed. Max 3 competent persons would have properly delt with this situation.


  • #165
    CoachTO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Bambi wrote: »
    I'm dealing in fact my good fellow, other posters are dealing in emotion. Right is right regardless of numbers. :)

    Fact eh? I asked a friend of mine who is a cop in Milwaukee and he has seen the video and he said excessive force was clearly used.


  • #166
    KittyeeTrix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭KittyeeTrix


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Trying to be smart with a cop is not good idea,
    they have all the power, Anyone who thinks they can get one over a bunch of cops is a idiot,
    Just do as they say, And it would not come to what happened in video,



    The man did not deserve what he got cos he was being smart. They killed him and should be brought to justice just like any other normal citizen would if they acted like that when someone gets smart with them!!!


  • #167
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    CoachTO wrote: »
    Fact eh? I asked a friend of mine who is a cop in Milwaukee and he has seen the video and he said excessive force was clearly used.

    No flies on him. Gold star indeed.

    A retarded monkey with cataracts could come to the same conclusion :p


  • #168
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Why is there even any debate? There's absolutely no defense or justification for what those armed scumbags did.


  • #169
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why is there even any debate? There's absolutely no defense or justification for what those armed scumbags did.

    Because people are idiots


  • #170
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Trying to be smart with a cop is not good idea,
    they have all the power, Anyone who thinks they can get one over a bunch of cops is a idiot,
    Just do as they say, And it would not come to what happened in video,


    He was a man with a severe mental condition.

    'Just do as the cops say, and you won't end up beaten to death'. Lovely.


  • #171
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Just do as they say, And it would not come to what happened in video,

    You're effectively blaming the victim with that statement.

    Even if the guy was threatening kill them with his bare hands the cops should be able to restrain him without beating him to death.


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  • #172
    lestat21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭lestat21


    :mad: The instructions given to this man were laughable. He was not violent or aggressive. His hands were in plain sight and the cop threatened to punch him in the face before he stood up. Absolute scumbags... and some of the commentors on this thread are just as bad. Did you not see the amount of blood he left on the footpath????

    A member of my family has schizoprenia. She goes off her meds bout every two years and tries to be normal. We hope and pray that the guards will pick her up when this happens. Last time they did. They listened patiently while she told them that the CIA and/or IRA were following her and out to get her. They offered to take her back to the station to give a full statement about her experiences. I would just like to thank the men and women of the gardai who deal with mentally ill people everyday in a respectful and non violent manner. (Shes on her meds again.. YAh!!)


  • #173
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Hard to watch the whole video. The police piss him around for the first 15 minutes hoping he'll lay a hand on one of them. The second he does it's an open licence for the cops to kick the shíte out of him.
    Police have a tough job, but this is such an obvious abuse of power. Police in the video are worse than a local scumbag that mugs people imho.


  • #174
    CoachTO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    AckwelFoley wrote: »
    No flies on him. Gold star indeed.

    A retarded monkey with cataracts could come to the same conclusion :p

    To be fair there is no need to be a smart ass. bambi said he/she had fact excessive force wasn't used. I put in my post in from the perspective of an actual US cop. And the fact cops are getting tarred with the same brush it shows that not all of them are scumbags. If my buddy who is a cop recognises that fellow US cops went overboard it shows they crossed a line considering they all follow the same guidelines for the most part.


  • #175
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Bambi wrote: »
    Presumably you have experience of restraining people who are having a psychotic episode or are in the middle of a PCP induced rage.

    Yes I have experience of restraining people. It's the same principle as restraining people who are not in a so called "PCP induced rage", did you see him taking PCP in the footage - no you did not, so by your logic, he is not on PCP. Plus, he seemed quite peaceful and placid until the cop interfeared with him.

    Bambi wrote: »
    I havent but I've restrained people on the deck once or twice and its tough. This scrawney guy took about 5 blasts from a tazer and kept going, that should tell you what you need to know about how easily he was going to be restrained

    The cops dealt with the situation incorrectly. He was assaulted while the cop was trying to cuff him and may have initially resisted. This resulted in the cop getting heavy handed and assaulting the guy into submission. The guy was on the deck, the cops sat on him and made it difficult for him to breathe. He naturally struggled to enable himself to comfortably breathe but the cops did not allow this to happen. When he fought to breathe, the cops took that as a sign of non compliance. I call that fighting to live. This resulted in more aggressive, unnecessary assault on the guy.

    He pleaded and pleaded and pleaded and begged and called in vain for his father to help him abd eventually, he gave up. He fought as much as he could to breathe and that was that. The cops are directly responsible for his death. They are a disgrace the way they dealt with it and should be stripped of their badges and never to see daylight again.

    Bambi wrote: »
    Why yes , yes I am telling you that cops might not be able to handle some people, there's tons of precedent for it. So now that I've told you that, you show me where in that video they exceeded their use of force matrix? Fourth time of asking. It should be easy peesy. :confused:

    Look, cuffing the guy obviously was not working. It would have taken 4 cops to pick him up and place him in the squad car. Two guys take his arms and two guys take his legs. Thats it. Sitting on the guy and beating the **** out of his face did not work. Instaed of being arrested, he's dead. He should not have been arrested anyway.


    Bambi wrote: »
    I see a skinny guy managing to resist a half dozen cops, stay on his back and take multiple tazers shots. You'll also hear a cop stating that he's on something. I'm guessing that this guy might have actually been on something :eek:

    The cops stating that he's on something is a universal ploy to assure all the rest of the cops that what they are doing at the time is justified. Thinking that he is on something gives them the illusion that they have the authority to use excessive force.

    Oh and I am well trained in the use of force also, and I understand every last letter of it.


  • #176
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Trying to be smart with a cop is not good idea,
    they have all the power, Anyone who thinks they can get one over a bunch of cops is a idiot,
    Just do as they say, And it would not come to what happened in video,

    No offence but I think your mixing up cops with hostage takers. A cop is the protecter of the peace and a public servent. I dont know what cops your used to dealing with but "being smart" with a public servent is not cause to get beaten to death. It wouldnt be a sane, bright or well trained cop who thought that being smart was cause to murder someone. You should really expect better from cops mate.


  • #177
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    At 16.55 the officer kicks Kelly twice. and at 17.08 he can be heard saying he cant breathe.

    At 17.34 the police man says put you hands behind your back.
    Kelly Thomas replies"Here dude" and if you listen to him saying that it would seem that the officer had an chance at that time to cuff him.

    At 18.00 you can see through bush that the officer hits kelly Thomas with the flashight(angle of the light changes ina downward sharp movement and stops at which point Kelly screams"aggh"at the moment of impact with the torch.

    At 18.11 when the second patrol arrive, you can see one officer clearly stamp with his right foot down onto Kelly Thomas.

    At 18.31 the officer says "put your face down" and directly after that you can hear an impact to which Kelly screams in pain.

    At 18.43 the tasering begins. he is tasered several times in short succession.

    At 18.45 of of the officers comments "you're gonna give him heart attack" in relation to the tasing.

    At 19.19 while still being tasered, the officer on the bottom right clearly punches Kelly.

    At 19.30 the officer in the middle repeatedly hits Kelly with the torch.

    At 19.49 Kelly is bleeding profusely as the officers put on rubber gloves.

    From this point on it appears that the officers as using their combined body weight to crush Kelly as they do no appear to be doing anything other than this.

    At 20.27 you can see that Kelly is lying in a pool of his own blood.

    At 20.39 one of the officers says "there's ****ing blood everywhere"

    After this point they continue to crush him with their body weight.

    The reason I have quoted these points is that at anytime during this, anyone of those officers could have called time on this.
    A blind man with one eye in a dark room could see that.
    They are all culpable.

    And they knew it.

    Why do you think they kept him on the ground for so long?
    He was clearly unconcious by the end and yet the could be heard saying "Watch out, he'll fight"
    I cant believe that there wasn't more heard about this


  • #178
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....and at about 19 mins in, there's at least six cops around the guy, if I recall. It really is a vile display.


  • #179
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    To be honest reading some of the comments here very few people have a clue what police are supposed to do. Some posters here seem to think that our duty is to do anything we can to avoid annoying the police and thus not get murdered. Their a public service their not some psychopaths Im supposed to walk on eggshells around.


  • #180
    CL7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    The level of dishonesty required to even try to defend what those thugs did to that defenceless man is beyond my understanding.


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  • #181
    superluck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭superluck


    Authoritive positions always attract the lowest common denominator, that's why we have so much corruption in the system. These cops probably laughed about what they did later and why wouldn't they? They're sick in the head.This is probably just their nightly routine, cruisin around looking to bust someone up for a laugh. Some people actually enjoy this kind of power trip and abuse it to max. Usually there is atleast 1 good man/woman who can stand on their own and complain about misconduct but then they get persecuted for it.


  • #182
    EarlERizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    They've come a long way since Rodney King :(


  • #183
    ziggy23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    This was the crime scene after. http://a.scpr.org/i/88444b0b70288dce80244e2fcfce97b4/37999-wide.jpg

    Think it's fair to say they kicked 7 shades of ****e out of him :mad:

    And there may be charges against a third officer
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/kelly-thomas-charges-third-officer.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29

    And there's another video doing the rounds now. You can't actually see anything but you can hear him and see the reactions of witnesses.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM


  • #184
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Seems like they tried to buy off the lads father.

    He turned down a million dollars to pursue the charges.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/09/opinion/navarrette-police-brutality/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


  • #185
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    read the OP and watched the video but what I can't do is read the 13 pages of comments because what frightens me more than these repugnant excuse for human beings, is the possibility/probability that there are some in modern Ireland today who might seek to condone it. I hope I am wrong,:(


  • #186
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    You're not wrong, just go back a few pages and see what was posted by one individual poster.


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  • #187
    jay1912
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭jay1912


    Murder is murder, that cop had previously dealt with victim and knew he had a mental condition.. He purposely beat him to death despite his dying calls for mercy. Quote " I'm gonna **** you up". Who the **** deserves that!


  • #188
    Crimbouser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Crimbouser


    jay1912 wrote: »
    Murder is murder, that cop had previously dealt with victim and knew he had a mental condition.. He purposely beat him to death despite his dying calls for mercy. Quote " I'm gonna **** you up". Who the **** deserves that!
    Ya. I presume he thought he could treat him as he liked because he was ill and homeless. There are certain ignorant and primitive gits who think these kinds of people are worth less than them. Ironic really (considering what a fine example of a human being ramos is). Local ignorant bully boys hiding behind a badge imo. Vile.


  • #189
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Crimbouser wrote: »
    Ya. I presume he thought he could treat him as he liked because he was ill and homeless. There are certain ignorant and primitive gits who think these kinds of people are worth less than them. Ironic really (considering what a fine example of a human being ramos is). Local ignorant bully boys hiding behind a badge imo. Vile.

    I really hope the posts made in defence of the police are unaware of the fact that the victim had a mental illness because if they do its indicative of a worrying attitude towards the mentally ill in this country.


  • #190
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    These sick twisted so-called human beings walk and hold the badge in all countries and states in the world, but not all cops or gardai are murderers or involve themselves in this nasty stuff. It's plain and obvious that not all are the same but it is a serious problem when there are a few mentally deranged cops or gardai out there.

    I watched the full video of the murder of Kelly Thomas and I have to say I felt sick. Kelly Thomas was murdered simple as that as you can see clearly on the camera coverage and also in the audio. "To Serve And Protect" The main two cops should get life for murder, if it was me that was the judge they would both get the death penalty in my opinion only.

    I can't even remember how many times Kelly Thomas screamed for his dad to help him as he was further beaten closer to death. It's a damn shame that some cops and i'd even say gardai would do this as it is a hate towards your own species, and if you have such hate towards this then you are not fit to integrate with the civilized population and should be incarcerated in the house for the mentally insane.

    But unfortunately there are sickos out there. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if these two cops were shot dead soon as tensions are still very high over there. Why would anyone want to go visit a place like Fullerton California knowing that cops of the Fullerton police department are murderers of an innocent civilian citizen. I wonder how many times they did this that was not captured on camera or not reported ?. A black man called Rodney King was beaten badly and there was a huge riot that we all remember, but when this happens to a white man nothing happens, keep this in mind as if you are a poor homeless person or have mental issues you are easy pickings for the scum departments.

    Witnesses on this bus explained what they saw as Kelly Thomas was almost dead at this stage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJi3lgXLBU
    If this footage was already shown here then my apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2mKnA8Od5w


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YFKm9gnKo


  • #191
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    this is honestly one of the sadest things i've seen in a long time. What a horrible end to what seemed to be a tough life.Some people never catch a break. R.I.P .


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  • #192
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    smurgen wrote: »
    this is honestly one of the sadest things i've seen in a long time. What a horrible end to what seemed to be a tough life.Some people never catch a break. R.I.P .


    I know. It is just awful to think what some people are capable of.

    Kelly Thomas was a vulnerable, mentally ill man. To think his last conscious moments on this planet were spent crying out to the people that are supposed to protect him to not kill him.

    I think this story will stay with me for a very long time. I find it so hard to believe anyone could do what those police did to him.

    I couldn't watch the full video as hearing him plead for his life brought tears to my eyes - and I am not usually a 'crier'.

    I don't know what else to say other than those police are absolute scum and to Kelly, RIP young, brave man.


  • #193
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    The Scientician wrote: »
    The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

    The bloody point of releasing the footage is to show that the cops can be recorded in their unruly need to destroy and kill citizens ffs. wake up will ye. If the footage was not released people would not see this brutality and murder and therefore would think the maniacs are nice and gentle police if they were not subjected to this footage.

    I can never understand stupid comments like this Scientician, sorry but you're comment is nonsensical in every sense of the word. Some people.


  • #194
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    That is awful.

    My only things to add is that how is it normal force for 4 or 5, what look like over 200 pound men to sit on someone who looks like he weighs considerably less and not expect his thorax to be crushed? If that is standard practice it's absolutely incredible.

    Reports have shown that law enforcement actually attracts individuals with a disposition to violence.


  • #195
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    zenno wrote: »
    The bloody point of releasing the footage is to show that the cops can be recorded in their unruly need to destroy and kill citizens ffs. wake up will ye. If the footage was not released people would not see this brutality and murder and therefore would think the maniacs are nice and gentle police if they were not subjected to this footage.

    The footage there is to prevent people hiding and trying to excuse the behaviour like the disturbing attempt (beit trolling or otherwise) at defending or diminishing what they did in this thread.


  • #196
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Jesus lads shocking stuff. RIP poor cnut.


  • #197
    steel_spine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭steel_spine


    I fail to understand the logic of the cops tasering him while ordering him to roll onto his stomach at the same time. Isn't the whole point of the taser that the intended victim briefly loses voluntary muscle control? Then tasering him again for not responding.
    What was the thought process behind that?
    They looked like a right bunch of yahoos who had no idea how to handle the situation from the get-go, and escalated it to the point where a man was beaten to death on the street.


  • #198
    Patrick2010
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    Lots of info on the case here....

    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/tag/kelly-thomas-beating/


  • #199
    partyatmygaff
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    steel_spine wrote: »
    They looked like a right bunch of yahoos who had no idea how to handle the situation from the get-go, and escalated it to the point where a man was beaten to death on the street.
    What was the situation? All I can see is a homeless man being harassed, beaten and murdered by a group of armed scumbags wearing uniforms.


  • #200
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    steel_spine wrote: »
    I fail to understand the logic of the cops tasering him while ordering him to roll onto his stomach at the same time. Isn't the whole point of the taser that the intended victim briefly loses voluntary muscle control? Then tasering him again for not responding.
    What was the thought process behind that?
    They looked like a right bunch of yahoos who had no idea how to handle the situation from the get-go, and escalated it to the point where a man was beaten to death on the street.

    The logic is that a bunch of thugs liked the idea of having some sort of power over people so they joined the police force. I always said police forces should try and ascertain the reason why people want to join them. Too many people have joined because of a lust for power and a desire to bully.


  • #201
    zenno
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    Looks like the murderer cops have a trial, who bets the bastards will get away with blue murder. Latest news bulletin...... May 10, 2012

    http://www.npr.org/2012/05/10/152433263/cops-to-stand-trial-in-homeless-mans-beating-death


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