The old Capitol Cinema

TheChizler · 29-04-2015 3:56pm

Milly33 wrote: »

It is great seeing the bikes being used. Alright they seem to be very popular, a lot of people seem to be using them which is good news...

Found one of them locked up outside work in Mahon yesterday, I hope the renter knew how much it costs!

Milly33 · 29-04-2015 4:57pm

Ouch that is going to hurt, well that is it belongs to the person who chained it up. I know when you get the cards you sign it saying that if the bike is damaged or you decide to nick it they can take €400 me thinks from your card

pwurple · 29-04-2015 5:17pm

TheChizler wrote: »

Found one of them locked up outside work in Mahon yesterday, I hope the renter knew how much it costs!

I often see them up by blackrock castle, chained up while people eat. I think it's 6.50 for 4 hours.

beer enigma · 30-04-2015 2:13pm

Back on topic please boys & girls

flo8s967qjh0nd · 13-05-2015 3:27pm

Decision due on this tomorrow. Looks to me like they will request further information.
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/decision-expected-on-capitol-development-plan/

Pitcairn · 13-05-2015 4:33pm

Apollo Immense Tremor wrote: »

Decision due on this tomorrow. Looks to me like they will request further information.
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/decision-expected-on-capitol-development-plan/

I'd imagine a further info request is likely given the size of the application.

I'd also be concerned about an appeal to An Bord Pleanála. I was looking at the submissions and while most said they were in favour a few had some tricky questions. The owners of the Burger King building have issues about their side of the laneway. One of the English Market stallholders is objecting and he could easily appeal and stall the project for months.

D'Agger · 13-05-2015 5:21pm

Open by November 2016 if it goes ahead....that's a ridiculous turnaround time, but as mentioned, there's surely be delays

Michael.. · 13-05-2015 5:39pm

Where can one view the submissions ??

moyners · 14-05-2015 7:26am

Michael.. wrote: »

Where can one view the submissions ??

On the Cork City planning website planning.corkcity.ie

flo8s967qjh0nd · 15-05-2015 9:35am

Further information has been requested, which isn't unexpected or unreasonable given the scale and impact of the development. Hopefully all the issues can be ironed out. With the haste to get this show on the road, it's worth getting it right too.

CHealy · 15-05-2015 9:55am

Apollo Immense Tremor wrote: »

Further information has been requested, which isn't unexpected or unreasonable given the scale and impact of the development. Hopefully all the issues can be ironed out. With the haste to get this show on the road, it's worth getting it right too.

Ya nothing wrong with sacrificing a few months to get it right. Especially given its location and what it will (hopefully) do for that area of the city.

Pitcairn · 15-05-2015 10:00am

Apollo Immense Tremor wrote: »

Further information has been requested, which isn't unexpected or unreasonable given the scale and impact of the development. Hopefully all the issues can be ironed out. With the haste to get this show on the road, it's worth getting it right too.

Looking at the planning file online it seems they have asked for further information on one issue so far and that is waste management.
Seems like it might be straightforward enough to comply with, but what do I know.

flo8s967qjh0nd · 22-07-2015 3:55pm

A decision on this, after some further information and changes, is due in the next week.

ongarboy · 23-07-2015 11:24am

The artist impressions look fantastic...like something you'd see in Convent Garden or Bond Street in London - I hope it gets the go ahead!

flo8s967qjh0nd · 24-07-2015 12:29pm

A new view of the Patrick Street side. Interesting way of dealing with the blank wall at Burger King which was one of the big problems with the last application.

ofcork · 24-07-2015 5:24pm

They are going to create a laneway there so as I don't think one exists now although there is a gate at that side of bk.

calnand · 25-07-2015 11:15am

ofcork wrote: »

They are going to create a laneway there so as I don't think one exists now although there is a gate at that side of bk.

There is a lane there, Meat Market lane, it's where the vineyard and oyster tavern were. Theres just a building covering the front of the laneway.

ofcork · 25-07-2015 5:25pm

I was often in the oyster or worlds end as it was later now you say it that was the way in alright.

Sonics2k · 25-07-2015 5:58pm

calnand wrote: »

There is a lane there, Meat Market lane, it's where the vineyard and oyster tavern were. Theres just a building covering the front of the laneway.

Is that not on the left side of Burker King?

ncur · 25-07-2015 6:18pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Is that not on the left side of Burker King?

No, there is a laneway there, on the right of Burger King. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=3ff2fa6c73&view=att&th=14ec63380bc003aa&attid=0.1&disp=safe&realattid=GoogleEarth_Image.jpg&zw

The metal gate in the Google Earth image closes off that laneway at night, during the day you can go down it into the English Market. It's not closed over to the sky except at the front.

calnand · 25-07-2015 6:21pm

The laneway to the left of burger king (as you look at it) is mutton lane, Meat Market lane is where that ecigarette? place is. And market market parade is the interior entrance on that Street, between here's health and claires.

ofcork · 27-07-2015 5:29pm

Had a look as I was passing today I do not think there is a lane right next to bk,there is a lane about 50ft further down by the smoke store which id say was the way in to the oyster.

moyners · 28-07-2015 3:31pm

So it's saying on the city council planning website that "conditional" planning has been decided. I wonder what the conditions are. I think I'm reading it correctly - haven't seen it pop up on the news yet...

Going Strong · 28-07-2015 4:19pm

Something must be happening as the 'Pound Shop' on Patrick Street has "Closing Down Sale" across the windows.

ofcork · 28-07-2015 6:04pm

Saw that and also the old flor griffin place on lavitts quay has modern signs gone up.

thomil · 28-07-2015 6:40pm

Going Strong wrote: »

Something must be happening as the 'Pound Shop' on Patrick Street has "Closing Down Sale" across the windows.

That's probably because the Capitol Development has just been given the green light by city council:

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/626073069178781696

Barring any appeals, things should start moving within the next few months.

moyners · 28-07-2015 7:00pm

thomil wrote: »

That's probably because the Capitol Development has just been given the green light by city council:

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/626073069178781696

Barring any appeals, things should start moving within the next few months.

Doubt if there'll be any appeals, from the extra info they submitted to the council they're going working with independent engineers appointed to the neighbouring businesses so it looks like they're making sure to keep them happy.

This will be great for the city centre

lisasimpson · 28-07-2015 7:03pm

Yipee delighted to see this news. heres to no majors hickups well overdue and the sooner it starts the better

namloc1980 · 28-07-2015 8:24pm

moyners wrote: »

Doubt if there'll be any appeals, from the extra info they submitted to the council they're going working with independent engineers appointed to the neighbouring businesses so it looks like they're making sure to keep them happy.

This will be great for the city centre

There always someone who appeals these things.

flo8s967qjh0nd · 29-07-2015 9:25am

To make an appeal at this stage in the process, you need to have made a submission at City Council level. So there is a drastically reduced pool of people/organisations who can choose to appeal now.
This is a great decision and development for Cork city centre. Should really kick that end of Patrick Street and Grand Parade into gear.

moyners · 29-07-2015 9:37am

Apollo Immense Tremor wrote: »

To make an appeal at this stage in the process, you need to have made a submission at City Council level. So there is a drastically reduced pool of people/organisations who can choose to appeal now.
This is a great decision and development for Cork city centre. Should really kick that end of Patrick Street and Grand Parade into gear.

I just had a look at the submissions and I see An Taisce made a 5 page submission where they said they wanted most of the facades on Grand Parade (besides the modern Capitol building) and Patricks Street kept.

I wouldn't be surprised if they appealed knowing them

ongarboy · 29-07-2015 11:30am

Official news report from RTE

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0729/717874-cork-capitol-colliers/

I guess it's as significant a development as Opera Lane. Does 100 retail jobs seem rather small? How many shops are being planned as part of the new development....I would have expected more of a headcount across all the shops.

flo8s967qjh0nd · 29-07-2015 1:57pm

moyners wrote: »

I just had a look at the submissions and I see An Taisce made a 5 page submission where they said they wanted most of the facades on Grand Parade (besides the modern Capitol building) and Patricks Street kept.

I wouldn't be surprised if they appealed knowing them

An Taisce have always struck me as quite a responsible organisation. They've made their contribution. I imagine they'll see which way the wind is blowing and that will be that.

calnand · 29-07-2015 2:01pm

The plan is only for one anchor store, house of fraser, is the one I've heard being thrown around. And then the top two floors will be large offices. Not sure exactly how the food innovation centre will work, but there will be a few stalls in there as well, it's a pity they couldn't have a direct link to the market. The old joke shop would be an ideal place to make an internal entrance.

Re: An taisce, I remember reading in the planning application that they looked into using the existing facades but it would have been impossible to have a uniform floor level between all the buildings.

moyners · 29-07-2015 2:13pm

Apollo Immense Tremor wrote: »

An Taisce have always struck me as quite a responsible organisation. They've made their contribution. I imagine they'll see which way the wind is blowing and that will be that.

Fingers crossed

Jimmy Bottles · 31-07-2015 9:51pm

Anyone have a link to the planning documentation? Took a look on the Cork City website but can't figure it out.

moyners · 31-07-2015 10:41pm

Jimmy Bottles wrote: »

Anyone have a link to the planning documentation? Took a look on the Cork City website but can't figure it out.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=1536340

I've found you'll need to use Internet explorer to look at the documentation though, won't work in Chrome for some reason.

Jimmy Bottles · 01-08-2015 12:10am

moyners wrote: »

http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=1536340

I've found you'll need to use Internet explorer to look at the documentation though, won't work in Chrome for some reason.

No floor plan showing how many units it will have.

Would be a great coup if House of Fraser went in there. Would it be big enough.

Am I correct in saying it will be 3 floors of shops?

BrianJD · 23-08-2015 8:20am

Anyone know when they will actually start working on this?

ofcork · 23-08-2015 2:53pm

Maybe when jcd are finished the building on albert quay.

calnand · 23-08-2015 3:19pm

The demolition will be very tricky to work out, I imagine this will be the main delay for the project.

Pitcairn · 25-08-2015 10:18am

The Capitol decision has been appealed.
John Cleary said they were going to start in the coming weeks but will have to wait until early next year now.
doesn't say who appealed it.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/capitol-cinema-plans-delayed-for-months-over-planning-appeal/

CHealy · 25-08-2015 10:53am

In true Cork fashion once again, its laughable at this stage.

gimmick · 25-08-2015 11:00am

What are they appealling? They don't want extra jobs for the city or dont want the city centre to be regenerated a bit?

idiocy :rolleyes:

D'Agger · 25-08-2015 12:03pm

Disappointed but not going to throw a strop about this until it's explained what grounds have been put forward in opposition to the planning. You'd assume it'd have to be something around traffic control - I do think it'll be crazy trying to get around that area when construction does eventually start - that's a given with development but hard to see how an objection can delay this for up to 4 months, according to the article.

lisasimpson · 25-08-2015 7:40pm

what an awful pitty

thomil · 25-08-2015 7:50pm

Pitcairn wrote: »

The Capitol decision has been appealed.
John Cleary said they were going to start in the coming weeks but will have to wait until early next year now.
doesn't say who appealed it.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/capitol-cinema-plans-delayed-for-months-over-planning-appeal/

That is just what I was afraid of. I do hope that there is a way to fast track that appeals process. That end of Cork desperately needs investment, and any delay could lead to the "perfect storm" of the Capitol and the Events Centre being built at the same time.

CHealy · 26-08-2015 9:34am

thomil wrote: »

That is just what I was afraid of. I do hope that there is a way to fast track that appeals process. That end of Cork desperately needs investment, and any delay could lead to the "perfect storm" of the Capitol and the Events Centre being built at the same time.

I've said this elsewhere but I really can't see the events centre ever going ahead in this city, too many black clouds over it already, and has anyone heard anything in months?

darkdubh · 26-08-2015 9:40am

gimmick wrote: »

What are they appealling? They don't want extra jobs for the city or dont want the city centre to be regenerated a bit?

idiocy :rolleyes:

The Allah botherers who are there every Saturday will lose their vantage point?

lostinsuperfunk · 26-08-2015 9:57am

Market Lane restaurant made an observation on confusion arising from the proposal for a new restaurant operating at Market Lane (the lane behind the Capitol where they Oyster Tavern is) - should be easily resolved.
OKR Group, owner of the Burger King building, mainly technicalities to do with boundary incursions, services and demolition of the overhead bridge. May be a bit more tricky.
Department of Arts, Heritage & the Gaeltacht, requesting an archaeological investigation
Soho Restaurant - submission in support of the development
Tom Murphy Menswear - submission regarding disruption to business

The old Capitol Cinema

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