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Cardinal Sean Brady aware of abuse in 1975

  • 01-12-2011 11:06am
    #1
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    A VICTIM of paedophile priest Fr Brendan Smyth told yesterday how he was "plagued" with guilt that more children were abused by the notorious cleric after he was sworn to secrecy during a church inquiry.




    Brendan Boland (50) yesterday settled a High Court action against the Archdiocese of Armagh,





    Cardinal Brady was the official note-taker during the 1975 ecclesiastical hearing attended by Mr Boland, where the then teenager signed an oath not to discuss the interview with anyone except "authorised priests".
    Cardinal Brady was then a 36-year-old priest.




    But he said the proceedings against Cardinal Brady had been a "considerable ordeal" and had been "strenuously defended" by the Cardinal.




    Last night Cardinal Sean Brady, Ireland's most senior prelate who was sued by Mr Boland in his personal and official capacities as Archbishop of Armagh, reissued an offer to meet Mr Boland, who is now living in Britain.




    Devastated
    Mr Boland, who emigrated after his ordeal, said he was "devastated" to learn from his sister -- some 20 years after he was abused -- that other children had been abused by the Norbertine priest despite assurances he received from the church that the priest would not be allowed to associate with young people.


    "I felt responsible for the misery of Fr Smyth's subsequent victims, my guilt plagued me," Mr Boland said in a statement issued through his solicitor.
    "At the trial of Fr Smyth, I met other victims who were 10 to 15 years younger than I who would not have been abused if assurances given to me and my family and the youth club priest (to whom he originally confided the abuse) had been honoured.




    It is now time for a full state investigation.


    Who is still protecting the church


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Comments

  • #2
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    In before - "Oh look. Another anti catholic thread"


  • #3
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    In before - "Oh look. Another anti catholic thread"

    was thinking exactly the same thing.


  • #4
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Brady should be hung drawn and quartered


  • #5
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Oh look, another anti paedophile thread.


  • #6
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    The Catholic church needs to rebrand like FAS did. That should fix things.


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  • #7
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    How come nobody who has protected child rapists gone to jail? :confused::mad:


  • #8
    ThinkAboutIt
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭ThinkAboutIt


    Here we go, 20 pages of arguing back and forth.


  • #9
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    It's astonishing to think that Brady is still in a position of power in the church. He should be arrested. He's simply a bastard.


  • #10
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    The Catholic church needs to rebrand like FAS did. That should fix things.

    I think those Heaven's Gate lads vacated their trademark. Might be one to get into.


  • #11
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Everyone must know that it's not really a question of who was aware of what. It's become more than clear that the cover up went all the way to the top of the kiddy-fiddler church - to the Protector of Paedophiles Everywhere in Rome himself. Brady was just one of the many foot soldiers who followed orders.:rolleyes:

    It would be interesting to know, though, how much the victim settled for. And where the money will come from.:eek:


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  • #12
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    It's astonishing to think that Brady is still in a position of power in the church. He should be arrested. He's simply a bastard.

    Being a bastard is an accident of birth. Being what Brady is took some working on. :rolleyes:


  • #13
    RGDATA!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    can the first person on to this thread to say what a great lad Brady actually is also offer a possible explanation for why he might have done this and what he was possibly hoping to achieve by it?
    i hate to think that my intense disregard for the catholic church as an organisation is prejudicing me against an individual.


  • #14
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    Here we go, 20 pages of arguing back and forth.

    I don't see what there is to argue about.

    The c*nt protected child molestors and rapists.

    He should be in jail.

    And as it was policy of the organisation he works for, that organisation should be declared illegal and have its assets seized due to its involvement in criminalty.


  • #15
    markesmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    OP, your username lodges you solidly in 'Angry Young Man' territory.

    I suggest you get off the computer and listen to the Clash's first album.


  • #16
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Burn the churches.


  • #17
    Grawling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Grawling


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Burn the churches.

    See you at Mass on Christmas day?

    (post reported btw)


  • #18
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Grawling wrote: »
    See you at Mass on Christmas day?

    (post reported btw)

    Why?:confused: And no, you won't.


  • #19
    Grawling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Grawling


    What crime did he commit? (apart from some unspecified allegations)
    When was it committed? (preferably the exact date)
    What court has found him guilty? (preferably a link to the court proceedings)

    As much as you lot like to bash Catholicism and its members, Cardinal Brady is a man of upstanding character. His conscience is clear. Judging from this thread (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760), it is clear that certain frequenters of AH should look inward on themselves, before criticising others.


  • #20
    Grawling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Grawling


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Why?:confused:

    Incitement to hatred. Incitement to commit arson.


  • #21
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Grawling wrote: »
    What crime did he commit? (apart from some unspecified allegations)
    When was it committed? (preferably the exact date)
    What court has found him guilty? (preferably a link to the court proceedings)

    As much as you lot like to bash Catholicism and its members, Cardinal Brady is a man of upstanding character. His conscience is clear. Judging from this thread (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760), it is clear that certain frequenters of AH should look inward on themselves, before criticising others.

    You must be joking!


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  • #22
    Grawling
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    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    You must be joking!

    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)


  • #23
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Grawling wrote: »
    --- Incitement to commit arson.

    I only wish Brady had done more to prevent those priests arsen those little boys --- :rolleyes::rolleyes:;);)


  • #24
    Dr Cocks!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭Dr Cocks!


    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)


    I hope the churches do burn...
    In years to come maybe catholic ***** will be gone forever, religion is dying in ireland.


  • #25
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)

    I've never protected paedophiles, which makes me a better person than him. The fact that I didn't confess my 'sins' to an imaginary God means literally nothing in relation to my moral character.


  • #26
    Grawling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Grawling


    Dr Cocks! wrote: »
    I hope the churches do burn...
    In years to come maybe catholic ***** will be gone forever, religion is dying in ireland.

    Ah look, a simple-minded hilbilly bigot. Perhaps you should move to Iran or somewhere?

    The irony is, you've probably had the benefit of a Catholic education.


  • #27
    Grawling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Grawling


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    I've never protected paedophiles, which makes me a better person than him.

    Just what are you trying to suggest?

    Could you please answer the three questions posited above?


  • #28
    Unavailable for Comment
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    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)

    So Hell is spending time away from child molesters and the enablers of child molestation.

    Seriously Is Child Molestation the Catholic equivalent of the Islamic 72 Virgins?

    Like if you do great work in saving paedos from prison do you get the keys to Limbo?


  • #29
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    The law means nothing if not applied equally. Hence the law in this country means nothing. Cardinal Brady didnt feel it right to report abuse so why should anyone report petty things like fraud or dole cheats? I certainly wouldnt feel guilty about breaking petty laws if this guy goes unpunished.


  • #30
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Grawling wrote: »
    Cardinal Brady is a man of upstanding character

    Hi Yutta. Still banned I see. Welcome back... at least for a short while. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
    Yutta wrote:
    Ooh look, an anti-Catholic thread on AH. Cardinal Brady is a very wise man. An upstanding individual whose workrate men half his age would balk at.


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  • #31
    Grawling
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The law means nothing if not applied equally. Hence the law in this country means nothing. Cardinal Brady didnt feel it right to report abuse so why should anyone report petty things like fraud or dole cheats? I certainly wouldnt feel guilty about breaking petty laws if this guy goes unpunished.

    Ah, yes, blame "the system" when you don't get the result you want. Do you have a problem with the judiciary in this country?


  • #32
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Grawling wrote: »
    Ah, yes, blame "the system" when you don't get the result you want. Do you have a problem with the judiciary in this country?

    You dont want people to report sexual abuse of kids I take it?


  • #33
    Dr Cocks!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭Dr Cocks!


    Grawling wrote: »
    Ah look, a simple-minded hilbilly bigot. Perhaps you should move to Iran or somewhere?

    The irony is, you've probably had the benefit of a Catholic education.

    No no, im not from ireland. So luckily no dirty priest could get near me when i was in school...

    The catholic church allowed priests get away with having sex with children, i cannot think of anything worse.

    Open your mind and stop being such a blind follower of a church that has committed so many horrible crimes.


  • #34
    Unavailable for Comment
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Unavailable for Comment


    Grawling wrote: »
    Do you have a problem with the judiciary in this country?

    Yes I do, namely they need to be informed of crimes before they can investigate them.


  • #35
    Fear Uladh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Fear Uladh


    Scumbag should be done for aiding and abetting child abuse.


  • #36
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Grawling wrote: »
    Ah look, a simple-minded hilbilly bigot. Perhaps you should move to Iran or somewhere?

    I don't think any hillbilly, simple-minded or clever, bigoted or not, would like Iran. I believe it's mighty hard to get moonshine there, and they frown on shagging one's sister.;);)
    Grawling wrote: »
    The irony is, you've probably had the benefit of a Catholic education.


    I had one, too. And I'm eternally grateful to the Christian Buggers for giving me a lifelong aversion and immunity to religion. :):)


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  • #37
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You dont want people to report sexual abuse of kids I take it?

    No. That would be uncatholic. Instead they should be sworn to secrecy and made to feel as much shame as possible. Then the priest should be moved to another parish.

    That's the catholic way.


  • #38
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Grawling wrote: »
    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Burn the churches.


    See you at Mass on Christmas day?

    (post reported btw)

    He was winding you up.


  • #39
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Grawling wrote: »
    What crime did he commit? (apart from some unspecified allegations)
    Are withholding of evidence, child endangerment, conspiracy to commit a crime, crimes?
    When was it committed? (preferably the exact date)
    At the 1975 ecclesiastical hearing mentioned in the OP
    What court has found him guilty? (preferably a link to the court proceedings)
    I'd be of the opinion that the statute of limitations would be up on the crime. This does not absolve him of the crime in the Lord's eyes. ;)
    As much as you lot like to bash Catholicism and its members, Cardinal Brady is a man of upstanding character.
    Well his handling of this whole affair would say otherwise.
    His conscience is clear.
    And I'm sure Hitler had no problem with the holocaust. /Godwin
    Judging from this thread (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760), it is clear that certain frequenters of AH should look inward on themselves, before criticising others.

    Not all Boards.ie users are criminals in the same way not all Catholics are childmolestors.


  • #40
    KeithM89_old
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    Dr Cocks! wrote: »
    No no, im not from ireland. So luckily no dirty priest could get near me when i was in school...

    The catholic church allowed priests get away with having sex with children, i cannot think of anything worse.

    Open your mind and stop being such a blind follower of a church that has committed so many horrible crimes.
    Grawling wrote: »
    Ah, yes, blame "the system" when you don't get the result you want. Do you have a problem with the judiciary in this country?

    Re-regs banned


  • #41
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners

    I'm not


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  • #42
    admiralofthefleet
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    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)

    where in the bible does it say that telling a fellow sinner your sins will save you from hell.
    brady, like all the cardinals and popes before him will burn in hell.


  • #43
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    If the likes of Sean Brady is in heaven, and hell has rock stars, hookers etc I'll go with hell.
    How do we know for sure it's that bad? Heaven sounds like the most boring place ever. Eternity floating around doing nothing exciting because you're not allowed do poxy anything. All with gospel music in the background or The Osmonds playing.
    Hell will have Jimi Hendrix and The Doors playing in the background. And if sin is as simple as "coveting" someone elses goods or wife, everyone that ever lived will be there.


  • #44
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    ...Hell will have The Doors playing in the background...
    Well, that's exactly how I imagine it anyway.

    *shudders


  • #45
    vampire of kilmainham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)
    maybe you never heard this before but st Teresa had a vision of hell and reported that it was full of nuns priests and large numbers of religious people including popes cardinals and bishops. Iam not into orginised religion i speak to God myself i dont need priests or churches to do so. As for going to confession i wouldent sit with any priest and discuss any aspect of my life sins or otherwise when i pass over ill take my hat off to God not any priest or religious bigot..


  • #46
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Well, that's exactly how I imagine it anyway.

    *shudders

    OK, but would you rather be listening to Cliff Richard up in heaven? :D


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    I would fully support an extradition order for Joe Ratz so he can answer some of the questions he owes the Irish people. Even if it would never be entertained the symbolisim would show that Irish people are no longer under the thumb of a morally bankrupt institution.

    Besides banks of course....


  • #48
    vampire of kilmainham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    jesus get me out of here iam going to walk my dog :eek:


  • #49
    Ghost Buster
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    Grawling wrote: »
    Ah look, a simple-minded hilbilly bigot. Perhaps you should move to Iran or somewhere?

    The irony is, you've probably had the benefit of a Catholic education.
    In Ireland the hill billys all go to mass.


  • #50
    bronte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭bronte


    Grawling wrote: »
    We're all sinners, and any failings of Cardinal Brady (I'm sure) have been given up to God. You on the other hand, probably haven't been to confession since you were 7. That's one sure route to hell. Cardinal Brady will see you there (that is, looking down from heaven!)
    We really, really aren't though.
    But shure nothing better than a good auld dose of catholic guilt to distract from the real bullsh1t.


  • #51
    Mardy Bum
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    I'm not defending anyone but surely some if not most of the parents, of these children, involved are part of the cover up?


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