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poster/mod discussions in real life

  • 21-03-2015 6:28pm
    #1
    Robsweezie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭


    Have there ever been instances where posters and mods discussed issues on the site (bans etc.) face to face, away from the keyboards?? I personally would never take it that far if there were an opportunity to do so, and a lot of others wouldn't as we distance online activities from reality, but I know there are some passionate members of the site who enjoy what boards has to offer and would probably go down that route if it meant clearing up problems with moderation and securing their place on the site. probably a ridiculous notion and pointless to some but perhaps face to face discussions would better convey tone of posts and help dispute resolutions rather than words on a screen. It might even be a laugh :-:-)
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  • #2
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Unpaid volunteers having to waste personal time meeting people in real life because they're annoyed about a ban or infraction on an Internet forum.

    Sounds like a runner.


  • #3
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Boards mods are volunteers and freely give their spare time to help keep the site running. It would not be reasonable to expect them to give up further time simply to meet people face to face to discuss moderating decisions, even if the poster was in the same part of the country as the mod. However, more importantly, there are some genuine nutters out there, and asking mods to meet up with people they've banned without knowing who that person is or what they're like in real life and potentially putting the mod in harm's way is not something we'd ever be prepared to do.


  • #4
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    I remember in a drp thread, maybe it was. Someone said they asked the moderator to meet face to face like men to sort it out but the mod wouldn't agree to it.

    Glad the chap never met up with the person


  • #5
    Oink
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I remember in a drp thread, maybe it was. Someone said they asked the moderator to meet face to face like men to sort it out but the mod wouldn't agree to it.

    Glad the chap never met up with the person

    I certainly have no interest in getting to know someone who doesn't know the difference between Boards and real life. If on top of things he wants to fight, I'm even less interested. What kind of conversation can you expect from that kind of troglodyte.


  • #6
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,242 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I remember in a drp thread, maybe it was. Someone said they asked the moderator to meet face to face like men to sort it out but the mod wouldn't agree to it.

    Glad the chap never met up with the person

    A poster I banned asked to meet face to face to discuss things. I suggested meeting up and settling things by having a pillow fight on the rim of an erupting volcano. They didn't respond.

    That's about as close as I'd ever get to willingly meeting a troublesome poster.


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  • #7
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Robsweezie wrote: »
    Have there ever been instances where posters and mods discussed issues on the site (bans etc.) face to face, away from the keyboards??
    Yeah, there have been a number of incidences, including forum bans and sitebans (although, I think the vast majority would be on the phone, instead of physically face to face). And of course, I've seen many threats from users to mods, including myself, of face to face violence in the real world, even death threats.

    We're an online medium, so if users can convey themselves through this medium, they should be able to convey dispute resolutions through it also.


  • #8
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Has anyone ever followed through and turned up at the office or at any of the various beers?


  • #9
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    I believe both have happened, but refer to others for details.


  • #10
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    I gave a newly registered poster a yellow card for trolling.

    He PMd me to advise me about fellatio and expressed a sincere wish for me to meet Hitler in hell for sexual intercourse. I gathered that he may have been somewhat upset.

    I don't think that meeting that poster in real life would go well, at all. Also, I doubt that it would look good for me to meet what I can only assume was some angry schoolboy from the Internet.


  • #11
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Bad Horse wrote: »
    A poster I banned asked to meet face to face to discuss things. I suggested meeting up and settling things by having a pillow fight on the rim of an erupting volcano. They didn't respond.
    Incidentally, if anyone (mods or regular users) gets any PM from another user suggesting settling matters face to face, please report the PM!


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  • #12
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,242 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Gordon wrote: »
    Incidentally, if anyone (mods or regular users) gets any PM from another user suggesting settling matters face to face, please report the PM!

    ... so the admin can arrange the volcano pillow fights? Because I was totally just joking about that idea, dude!


  • #13
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Bad Horse wrote: »
    ... so the admin can arrange the volcano pillow fights? Because I was totally just joking about that idea, dude!

    <<<<<cancels order for 500 pillows



    Spoilsport!


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gordon wrote: »
    I believe both have happened, but refer to others for details.

    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.


  • #15
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.

    What?

    Creepy!

    Did he introduce himself?


  • #16
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.

    Jaysus. That might be one to go to the gardai with


  • #17
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Deleted User wrote: »
    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.

    I was going to say in reply to the OP that isn't that what BoardsBeers are for - but Woops that some creepy sh1t. As someone said above that should go to the Gards.


  • #18
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.

    I'm just somewhat lost for words reading this.

    I find it difficult to comprehend how anybody can emit something so vile over a ban.

    Christ we live in a messed up world.


  • #19
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    You'd be surprised at half of what the psychos like to say. I've had a few friends who are gay and were told "I'll rape you till you're not a lesbian" anymore (or variations of it). People are... weird online.You get away with saying a lot more online than you would in person is the thing.


  • #20
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    You'd be surprised at half of what the psychos like to say. I've had a few friends who are gay and were told "I'll rape you till you're not a lesbian" anymore (or variations of it). People are... weird online.You get away with saying a lot more online than you would in person is the thing.

    Used to have a similar thing when we worked behind an anti bandit screen, people would be inclined to "have a go" (other than genuine bandit types obviously :)) because they don't see a person, just an authority figure.

    Still fcuked up though.


  • #21
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,750 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    I've seen mod actions have an effect on real life a few times and was involved myself in one occasion.

    There was a thread about a place I worked that was less than complimentary. I worked in a group off companies operating in the same town and competition was rife between each company. Leaving aside the almost incestuous relationship that we had, someone from a rival establishment (working for the same employer!) found the thread and printed it (yes, printed) and mailed (yes, snail-mailed) it to my manager.

    It was left lying around so I read it and commented on the thread as an admin that the people involved were aware of the thread and to keep that in mind when posting.

    Next thing, I was summoned to a meeting about the comment by my manager! Trying to explain to a then 60+ Nazi whose technological knowledge hadn't been updated since the telegraph what it meant to be an admin warning people to be careful not to defame anyone was genuinely one of the most challenging things I've had to do in my life!


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  • #22
    Robsweezie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    Zaph wrote: »
    Boards mods are volunteers and freely give their spare time to help keep the site running. It would not be reasonable to expect them to give up further time simply to meet people face to face to discuss moderating decisions, even if the poster was in the same part of the country as the mod. However, more importantly, there are some genuine nutters out there, and asking mods to meet up with people they've banned without knowing who that person is or what they're like in real life and potentially putting the mod in harm's way is not something we'd ever be prepared to do.


    Im under no illusion of the safety issues surrounding the idea, that's something I immediately considered but neglected to mention in the OP. they could well be psychos with an axe to grind who cant distinguish the virtual world from the one around us, but you never know. its the internet, it takes all sorts.

    I know this thing will never be a 'runner' but its just something I've pondered since mods are already volunteering their time freely, obviously passionate about the growth of the site and the users, overseeing its developments and discussions. and often when you're passionate about anything, you tend to go that little extra mile. a bit like a teacher giving after school classes (minus the pay) its not expected of them, but they do it out of their free will. I would never expect to see this be brought in as a mandatory step in the modding process, or as a regular thing, that's just ridiculous.

    im not talking about a HSE style waiting list of offending posters, but one or two now and again, who are deemed worth listening to, entirely up to a mods discretion of course, if they want to humour them, if any at all. I understand if its all just a timesink headache in theory, but I just wanted to throw it out there, ask if this is something that happens/has happened and gauge opinion, you never know if you don't ask


  • #23
    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Plenty of one off head bangers here who you can brush off and ignore but there are plenty of users who keep coming back. They keep getting banned and send threatening messages etc, I worry how they keep a day job. Plenty of them are just like that online, like the anonymity but I there are others who are plain barmy.


  • #24
    Avada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭Avada


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    o/

    The dude who threatened to rape me showed up at a beers. Twice :)

    Nice chap. Just misunderstood. Or his brother dunnit. I forget which.

    Barrel of laughs he was.... or not.


  • #25
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Robsweezie wrote: »
    Im under no illusion of the safety issues surrounding the idea, that's something I immediately considered but neglected to mention in the OP. they could well be psychos with an axe to grind who cant distinguish the virtual world from the one around us, but you never know. its the internet, it takes all sorts.

    I know this thing will never be a 'runner' but its just something I've pondered since mods are already volunteering their time freely, obviously passionate about the growth of the site and the users, overseeing its developments and discussions. and often when you're passionate about anything, you tend to go that little extra mile. a bit like a teacher giving after school classes (minus the pay) its not expected of them, but they do it out of their free will. I would never expect to see this be brought in as a mandatory step in the modding process, or as a regular thing, that's just ridiculous.

    im not talking about a HSE style waiting list of offending posters, but one or two now and again, who are deemed worth listening to, entirely up to a mods discretion of course, if they want to humour them, if any at all. I understand if its all just a timesink headache in theory, but I just wanted to throw it out there, ask if this is something that happens/has happened and gauge opinion, you never know if you don't ask

    I'd be a lot happier if any interaction I have with unhappy posters is in a written form - you'd end up having a load of he said/she said crap if we were to meet disgruntled posters in real life.


  • #26
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    It is actually very difficult to get banned from this site and users tend to be given chance after chance after chance before they are permanently removed. If someone does get a site ban it is usually after they have repeatedly shown they are unwilling or unable to stay with the rules so I doubt a further chance would make any difference other than waste everyone's time.


  • #27
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Robsweezie wrote: »
    im not talking about a HSE style waiting list of offending posters, but one or two now and again, who are deemed worth listening to, entirely up to a mods discretion of course, if they want to humour them, if any at all.

    OK, but here's something else to consider. We have mods in every part of the country, plus mods in various countries in Europe, the Middle East, Australia, Canada, the US and who knows where else. So even just assuming we're talking about a poster and mod who are both in Ireland, but one is in Cork and the other in Donegal, who foots the bill for them to meet up? We can't expect a mod to pay out of their own pocket for something that they do voluntarily, and Boards isn't exactly flush, so do you think that many posters will willingly pay someone else's expenses just so they can argue a moderating decision? I think even aside from the safety considerations I mentioned earlier, the simple logistics of doing something like this would ultimately be what makes it unworkable.


  • #28
    Darkglasses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Would never consider discussing moderation off this site, and would be disgusted at the suggestion.

    I know of one moderator who got a phone call from a user on his mobile over a mod decision (by his co-mod), that would absolutely drive me up the wall.


  • #29
    5rtytry56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    Some boardsie who just HAS to discuss a mod decision with the mod even only by phone texting to his phone seems like jack Nicholson in the movie The Shining tbh.


  • #30
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    As an ex-mod, and now a user who has interactions with mods on a near daily basis, I never speak about specific mod decisions/duties to a mod who's been involved.

    I will sometimes make a comment like "Oh I see XXXXX got banned from YYYYY forum, in fairness he had it coming", but no more than that.


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  • #31
    Robsweezie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    Zaph wrote:
    OK, but here's something else to consider. We have mods in every part of the country, plus mods in various countries in Europe, the Middle East, Australia, Canada, the US and who knows where else. So even just assuming we're talking about a poster and mod who are both in Ireland, but one is in Cork and the other in Donegal, who foots the bill for them to meet up? We can't expect a mod to pay out of their own pocket for something that they do voluntarily, and Boards isn't exactly flush, so do you think that many posters will willingly pay someone else's expenses just so they can argue a moderating decision? I think even aside from the safety considerations I mentioned earlier, the simple logistics of doing something like this would ultimately be what makes it unworkable.

    I suppose, I didn't realise mods were at an international level and scattered around the place. I considered in my head that perhaps work was done by mods at boards HQ as well as home, so maybe a spare room at HQ where it would be facilitated on a day that a relevant mod is there , like a doctors appointment.But then again I know nothing about the process so forgive my ignorance.


  • #32
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Boards is way too big. I'd reckon 99% of social sites have moderators and admins all over the shop at times. It'd be very rare a purely social forum would all be contained by a few people working in a building.


  • #33
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Robsweezie wrote: »
    I suppose, I didn't realise mods were at an international level and scattered around the place. I considered in my head that perhaps work was done by mods at boards HQ as well as home, so maybe a spare room at HQ where it would be facilitated on a day that a relevant mod is there , like a doctors appointment.But then again I know nothing about the process so forgive my ignorance.

    There's nothing to forgive, it's always interesting to have discussions like these. Many people are probably unfamiliar with a lot of what goes on in the background on Boards, so threads like this are a good opportunity to give a bit more detail on stuff that we probably take for granted and don't even think about any more. Boards HQ is an office in Dublin (they've recently moved to a new on), but the vast majority of mods (of which there are over 600) will probably never set foot in it because there's no real need to. A recent event in the office meant that there were a good few mods there, but it's not convenient for many people so there'll only ever be a small percentage of mods who'll have seen the office.


  • #34
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Zaph wrote: »
    There's nothing to forgive, it's always interesting to have discussions like these. Many people are probably unfamiliar with a lot of what goes on in the background on Boards, so threads like this are a good opportunity to give a bit more detail on stuff that we probably take for granted and don't even think about any more. Boards HQ is an office in Dublin (they've recently moved to a new on[/b)), but the vast majority of mods (of which there are over 600) will probably never set foot in it because there's no real need to. A recent event in the office meant that there were a good few mods there, but it's not convenient for many people so there'll only ever be a small percentage of mods who'll have seen the office.

    Top secret place in an old volcano? :D


    Oh oh oh


    Guided tours!


  • #35
    The Hill Billy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    A recent pic of Dav in the new office...

    Blofeldpleasance67.jpg

    In all seriousness though, as a mod I give a lot of my spare time to boards - but at times that are mostly convenient to me. But with real life matters such as family & job I have hardly any time to scratch myself as it is. To have to schedule time to meet with disgruntled posters would just not be possible & in no way desirable.


  • #36
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    The Hill Billy wrote: »
    A recent pic of Dav in the new office...
    Whose lap is he sitting in?


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  • #37
    The Hill Billy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    That new chap - Seán - I think. :pac:

    * Expects to be de-modded shortly *


  • #38
    Jon Stark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Jon Stark


    When I was modding a forum I banned a troublesome poster who then went on to send me a very detailed PM about where I live, my name, that he knew I was in my house at the time and that he was outside. I ran down the stairs with my grand father's wooden cane in hand ready for fisticuffs.

    Turns out it was my brother taking the piss.

    ****er.


  • #39
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I have on a few occasions. It was very amicable and wasn't arranged, i.e. we bumped into each other and talked about it. It's a bit different on the Cycling forum when half the forum meets each other in real life, at races and other cycling events.


  • #40
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Zaph wrote: »
    Many people are probably unfamiliar with a lot of what goes on in the background on Boards...but the vast majority of mods (of which there are over 600) will probably never set foot in it because there's no real need to.

    The rumour is that back in January, 2014 a rogue mod broke into boards HQ and released all the hamsters from their wheels. That caused this to happen:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88466142

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88466306#post88466306

    Ever since then we've been GPS chipped.


  • #41
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    The rumour is that back in January, 2014 a rogue mod broke into boards HQ and released all the hamsters from their wheels. That caused this to happen:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88466142

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88466306#post88466306

    Ever since then we've been GPS chipped.
    You got it wrong; In 2004, a crack admin unit was sent to prison by Dav for mod actions they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from the maximum-security stockade of Prison to the Black Internet underground. Today, still wanted by Boards.ie they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can hire... The Dev Team!

    Que music!


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  • #42
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Nody wrote: »
    Que music!

    As soon as I started reading that the music started playing in my head - damn you Nody! We need to meet to discuss this. Over pints. With hookers.


  • #43
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I met a guy at a beers who I had recently banned. We had right craic over a few pints, very nice guy.

    At another beers, The Master took great delight in introducing me to a poster which had many issues with me. She turned out to be great too, after a 20 minute bollocking :p

    So, if anyone wants to meet me for pints and they are paying, I'm there :D


  • #44
    TherapyBoy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »

    Ever since then we've been GPS chipped.

    Which is handy if you find a Mod lost on the streets, your local vet will be able to tell you where it lives..

    ..and clip their nails.



    Remember kids, a Mod isn't just for Christmas..

    Moderator: Non Drinkers Group & Grand Theft Auto



  • #45
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I met a guy at a beers who I had recently banned. We had right craic over a few pints, very nice guy.

    At another beers, The Master took great delight in introducing me to a poster which had many issues with me. She turned out to be great too, after a 20 minute bollocking :p

    So, if anyone wants to meet me for pints and they are paying, I'm there :D

    Any excuse :p


  • #46
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,242 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    P_1 wrote: »
    Any excuse :p

    Some say he bans people just to try and get them to meet for drinks...

    Not me though. I don't say that.


  • #47
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    I've met a few people i've banned at beers..tbh they knew why they had been banned and it was grand.

    I've had people texting me about why i banned them or decisions other mods have made...They have politely been told to **** right off.


  • #48
    libelula
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭libelula


    RuggieBear wrote: »
    I've met a few people i've banned at beers..tbh they knew why they had been banned and it was grand.

    I've had people texting me about why i banned them or decisions other mods have made...They have politely been told to **** right off.

    How are they getting your number?! Are they people you already know?


  • #49
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    libelula wrote: »
    How are they getting your number?! Are they people you already know?
    yep, people i'd already know.


  • #50
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I remember meeting a chap at a boards beers who turned out to be a guy I banned permanently from the forum I modded at the time. He turned out to be very sound. I found that a lot of people talked a good game on PM but when you meet them in the real world they don't tend to be as aggressive. Maybe I was lucky.


  • #51
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Just wondering, If you perma ban someone and then as Gandalf says above you meet the person in real life and find them sound, would any of you unban them?


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