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Isn't it time for school uniforms to be scrapped at this stage???

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  • #202
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    bjork wrote: »
    There's no uniform for the real world, it's better you learn the skills early

    I'll learn the skills when I have my own money to spend and do my own washing etc. I'm not saying everyone has their parents pay for their clothes but it's not often you hear of children paying for their own uniforms.

    I think it's important to learn the skills when you're mature enough to realise that life isn't a fashion show, that there are more important things to worry about than wearing a skirt that will impress the lads in the school across the road.

    You can tell me I'm wrong and that young people aren't that shallow, but it's the reality of life that I experience each day.


  • #203
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    What if a students parents can't afford
    to buy suitable clothes so that their children can conform to this dress code?

    They can't buy their children clothes? They send them out in the world naked?


  • #204
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    I'll learn the skills when I have my own money to spend and do my own washing etc. I'm not saying everyone has their parents pay for their clothes but it's not often you hear of children paying for their own uniforms.

    I think it's important to learn the skills when you're mature enough to realise that life isn't a fashion show, that there are more important things to worry about than wearing a skirt that will impress the lads in the school across the road.

    You can tell me I'm wrong and that young people aren't that shallow, but it's the reality of life that I experience each day.

    What age do you think students should start learning the basic skill of deciding what to wear. Start at 18?


  • #205
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    I'll learn the skills when I have my own money to spend and do my own washing etc. I'm not saying everyone has their parents pay for their clothes but it's not often you hear of children paying for their own uniforms.

    I think it's important to learn the skills when you're mature enough to realise that life isn't a fashion show, that there are more important things to worry about than wearing a skirt that will impress the lads in the school across the road.

    You can tell me I'm wrong and that young people aren't that shallow, but it's the reality of life that I experience each day.
    You're going to wait until AFTER SCHOOL to start learning life skills???? Has it crossed your mind that if you, and other young people, start learning those life skills from very early one, it won't be an issue by the time you get to your teens?


  • #206
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    bjork wrote: »
    There'd be no need for the uniform grant from the state if everybody could afford the current uniforms
    Or if they just wore the clothes they already have.


  • #207
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    katydid wrote: »
    If you feel like wearing a uniform, what's to stop you wearing the exact same thing to school every day? Nobody would force you to change your clothes every day if you prefer not to.

    And what would be wrong with your school colleagues wearing what they want to wear?

    It wouldn't be much of a uniform if I was the only one wearing it.. Nobody would force me to change my clothes? I'm sorry but I feel like you're a bit out of touch with the school children of today.

    If you listened to all the students on this thread you'd know that my school colleagues want to wear the uniform.


  • #208
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,634 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    seavill wrote: »
    But again who is to decide if they are not doing worse? One may say one thing another might disagree.
    The French, Greek etc are well known for their violent riots actually. Does that go back to issues with too much choice, being allowed wear/do what they want? Who knows bit topic/thread there

    Economically, I'd argue they're doing better. They have a far healthier attitude towards childcare and education - i.e. looking after the child;s wellbeing as well as his intellect. Question is, is that what we want to strive for or not?

    Perhaps the Green and French are better rable to stand up for themselves because they've been educated to be independent and expressive. Is that a good thing or not? You tell me.
    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    What if a students parents can't afford
    to buy suitable clothes so that their children can conform to this dress code?

    I don't see kids running around naked because their parents can't buy clothing for them.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #209
    Laurenom
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭Laurenom


    katydid wrote: »
    No, not every student thinks like that. They don't get the chance to, because they aren't allowed to wear what they want to wear, are they? They aren't confronted with situations where they have to think in that way/

    So people who don't go to university are broad minded and those who choose other paths are "narrow minded idiots"? How patronising of you.

    This from someone who doesn't want to think for themselves, and who wants all their school mates to be the same as them... Do you realise that you're a poster girl for the harm uniforms do to the way people think?


    I'm no poster girl for any harm thank you very much, you aren't in secondary school so you DO NOT know what it is like today, and I meant not getting past the leaving cert as in they didn't care at all.. Not that they chose different paths, I do not look down on anyone who doesn't want to go to university but my point is on those who don't because they didnt bother to do anything, as in sit at home all day and judge people.

    I'm thinking of the people who aren't as confident as me and who would be terrified to have to wear their own clothes! Not because I need them to look the same as me because I would rather see them get through secondary school smoothly!


  • #210
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    bjork wrote: »
    There'd be no need for the uniform grant from the state if everybody could afford the current uniforms

    Most students wear a uniform for the full school week. You'd probably need 2 sets of clothes that aren't uniforms.
    Clothes are more expensive than uniforms.


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  • #211
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    bjork wrote: »
    What age do you think students should start learning the basic skill of deciding what to wear. Start at 18?

    I don't know what you did but I don't wear my uniform after school, at weekends or during holidays. It's on for six or seven hours a day.


  • #212
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Economically, I'd argue they're doing better. They have a far healthier attitude towards childcare and education - i.e. looking after the child;s wellbeing as well as his intellect. Question is, is that what we want to strive for or not?

    Perhaps the Green and French are better rable to stand up for themselves because they've been educated to be independent and expressive. Is that a good thing or not? You tell me.



    I don't see kids running around naked because their parents can't buy clothing for them.

    So if kids come to school not dressed appropriately according to the dress code then what do the school do?


  • #213
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    I don't know what you did but I don't wear my uniform after school, at weekends or during holidays. It's on for six or seven hours a day.

    And you're not shunned by you peers or terrified to wear your own clothes after school?


  • #214
    implausible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    katydid wrote: »
    This from someone who doesn't want to think for themselves, and who wants all their school mates to be the same as them... Do you realise that you're a poster girl for the harm uniforms do to the way people think?

    Oh come on, dramatic much? People are now being harmed by uniforms? This debate has got ridiculous, unless of course you have evidence of the 'harm' being done by wearing one.


  • #215
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    bjork wrote: »
    And you're not shunned by you peers or terrified to wear your own clothes after school?

    I associate with friends and family after school, not a student body of 600+ people who have nothing to judge me on but image.


  • #216
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,634 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    So if kids come to school not dressed appropriately according to the dress code then what do the school do?

    What do they normally do if the kid's not conforming to the required dress code?

    Either send the student home until they are dressed according to the code, or, if the student has no appropriate clothes, call in social services and investigate the family and find out what said kid's wearing when not at school.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #217
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    It wouldn't be much of a uniform if I was the only one wearing it.. Nobody would force me to change my clothes? I'm sorry but I feel like you're a bit out of touch with the school children of today.

    If you listened to all the students on this thread you'd know that my school colleagues want to wear the uniform.

    You want to wear the same thing every day. Of course it would be a uniform; your uniform. No, nobody would force you to change your clothes every day - don't be ridiculous.

    Why do you want your school mates to have to wear the same thing every day because YOU want to?

    Yes, I have heard your school colleagues on this thread, and I find it sad that they hold those opinions. I also hear my students, who have finished school, and can look back with more clarity; their opinions gives me hope.


  • #218
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    I associate with friends and family after school, not a student body of 600+ people who have nothing to judge me on but image.

    You really need to realise that 600 people are not all looking at you and judging you. Get over yourself...


  • #219
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    katydid wrote: »
    You really need to realise that 600 people are not all looking at you and judging you. Get over yourself...

    You're really not understanding the current teenager are you. Of course 600 people aren't judging me but don't you remember the insecurities of growing up? Uniforms give us one less insecurity to worry about during a time where there's enough confusion and change and insecurity already.


  • #220
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    implausible wrote: »
    Oh come on, dramatic much? People are now being harmed by uniforms? This debate has got ridiculous, unless of course you have evidence of the 'harm' being done by wearing one.

    Someone who comes on here and calls people who don't go to university or succeed in the LC "narrow minded idiots", and seems to be afraid of the freedom to express themselves through their dress seems to be to have been harmed by the deliberate repression of self expression in Irish schools.


  • #221
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Anonymagician wrote: »
    You're really not understanding the current teenager are you. Of course 600 people aren't judging me but don't you remember the insecurities of growing up? Uniforms give us one less insecurity to worry about during a time where there's enough confusion and change and insecurity already.

    I work with them every day and in my free time, and I'm a parent. I can't know what it's like to be a teenager now, but I was a teenager myself. Teenagers have always had insecurities about image and about other things; covering up the problem by pretending that everyone is the same isn't the solution.

    As I keep repeating, there IS NO ISSUE for the vast majority of young people. You are making an issue out of something that isn't.


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  • #222
    Laurenom
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭Laurenom


    katydid wrote: »
    Someone who comes on here and calls people who don't go to university or succeed in the LC "narrow minded idiots", and seems to be afraid of the freedom to express themselves through their dress seems to be to have been harmed by the deliberate repression of self expression in Irish schools.


    Wow. Thanks for ignoring my previous comment because I explained myself on how I wasn't putting anyone down who didn't want to go, I'm talking about the people in my school who don't care about ANYTHING, not that they have other interests! How ignorant of you!
    I'm not afraid to express myself, I'm concerned about my peers who aren't as confident in themselves as I am :-)


  • #223
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    katydid wrote: »
    I work with them every day and in my free time, and I'm a parent. I can't know what it's like to be a teenager now, but I was a teenager myself. Teenagers have always had insecurities about image and about other things; covering up the problem by pretending that everyone is the same isn't the solution.

    As I keep repeating, there IS NO ISSUE for the vast majority of young people. You are making an issue out of something that isn't.

    I do actually think that insecurities, peer pressure and bullying are issues for young people today. I find it very troubling that you as someone who works with children every day would think I am making an issue out of something that isn't.


  • #224
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    seavill wrote: »
    But again who is to decide if they are not doing worse? One may say one thing another might disagree.
    The French, Greek etc are well known for their violent riots actually. Does that go back to issues with too much choice, being allowed wear/do what they want? Who knows bit topic/thread there

    All of continental Europe has non-uniformed schools. Schools all over continental Europe do not have kids running riot. Quite the opposite - the relationship between students and teachers tends to be good, because they respect each other.

    Some societies have some examples of adult members reacting strongly to political events. And we have plenty examples of Irish people sitting idly by while children were abused - are we any better? Does that come from our being taught from an early age to conform, conform, conform.


  • #225
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Laurenom wrote: »
    You haven't been to my school, if you were you'd understand. "Posh" is the biggest insult ever in the school I attend, but YET you are looked down upon if you don't wear the most expensive Nike runners or the latest brands.

    And your school has a uniform...


  • #226
    seavill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    katydid wrote: »
    All of continental Europe has non-uniformed schools. Schools all over continental Europe do not have kids running riot. Quite the opposite - the relationship between students and teachers tends to be good, because they respect each other.

    Some societies have some examples of adult members reacting strongly to political events. And we have plenty examples of Irish people sitting idly by while children were abused - are we any better? Does that come from our being taught from an early age to conform, conform, conform.

    I don't know


  • #227
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Laurenom wrote: »
    I'm no poster girl for any harm thank you very much, you aren't in secondary school so you DO NOT know what it is like today, and I meant not getting past the leaving cert as in they didn't care at all.. Not that they chose different paths, I do not look down on anyone who doesn't want to go to university but my point is on those who don't because they didnt bother to do anything, as in sit at home all day and judge people.

    I'm thinking of the people who aren't as confident as me and who would be terrified to have to wear their own clothes! Not because I need them to look the same as me because I would rather see them get through secondary school smoothly!

    You certainly do look down on people. Your comment about other students was appalling.

    You have no idea what it's like to be in a school environment where you can think for yourself and express yourself: I do. I see how students deal with it, and I'm telling you they just get on with it. No big deal. Only those of you who favour uniform make a big deal of it - fear of the unknown.


  • #228
    Anonymagician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Anonymagician


    katydid wrote: »
    All of continental Europe has non-uniformed schools. Schools all over continental Europe do not have kids running riot. Quite the opposite - the relationship between students and teachers tends to be good, because they respect each other.

    Some societies have some examples of adult members reacting strongly to political events. And we have plenty examples of Irish people sitting idly by while children were abused - are we any better? Does that come from our being taught from an early age to conform, conform, conform.

    But we're not running riot here either and I have great relationships with my teachers, who I respect because they are giving me an education and not because of the clothes I'm wearing.

    You're obsessed with non-conformity yet still insist we follow continental Europe with this.


  • #229
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Most students wear a uniform for the full school week. You'd probably need 2 sets of clothes that aren't uniforms.
    Clothes are more expensive than uniforms.

    Yes, they wear the same clothes five days in a row. Not terribly hygenic.

    Why would you need two sets of clothes that aren't uniforms? What's wrong with putting on a set of clothes in the morning and taking it off when you go to bed?


  • #230
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Closing this.

    I apologise to younger boards members who were drawn in here and addressed in a less than polite manner. You are as entitled as any to voice your opinions and are obviously more in tune with the feelings of teenagers on uniforms.


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