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Alien Isolation (PS4/Xbox One)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Nodferatu wrote: »
    I suppose, think everyone was bitterly disappointed with alien colonial marines as so much high hopes were pinned to it. I read a few hands on previews and although mostly positive they all pretty much said same thing that your going to die over and over and over getting past certain areas which could possibly turn into gamer frustration.

    That will be a pleasant experience from the dumb downed easy games I play these days. I barely die ever in them, ever, so boring. When I was younger/a child games would have much higher difficulty level. Of course a balance must be met and is hard to achieve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    So long as its clear *why* you died its usually fair.

    Most games have a set of rules that the player and the AI need to follow. The frustration comes when it feels like the game is cheating, homing in on the players location without any obvious clues. The player then gets kicked out of the immersion.

    I think so long as the Alien follows the same rules the game sets, and the player gets to understand those rules then frustration should be limited. The problem I think is that there is apparently certain "set-pieces" where the game does cheat to put the Alien hunting in a particular location, at a particular time. That's where frustration could build.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Baked.noodle


    Looking forward to this. I hope more sophisticated AI will lead to a renascence in video gaming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Looks like Alien meets Amnesia meets Outlast, could actually be good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    i agree fully, i just read that it all gets a bit repetitive and thats what went wrong with colonial marines attempt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Nodferatu wrote: »
    i agree fully, i just read that it all gets a bit repetitive and thats what went wrong with colonial marines attempt

    Pacing a game like this must be tough, it can't all be skulking around waiting for something to jump out, but if you load up on the jump scares and setpieces it gets less scary. Too short and people will whinge, too long and people will think it outstays it's welcome. It'd definitely an interesting premise and one that I'd much rather play than generic marines v aliens gunfights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭Wossack


    pretty brave imo - I dont have high hopes for it, but it could be a surprise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    I was thinking, I'm sure they'll have some kind of set piece in there somewhere, probably near the end, otherwise it's entirely feasible that there's a chance you could have a playthrough where you don't encounter the Alien at all...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Star Lord wrote: »
    I was thinking, I'm sure they'll have some kind of set piece in there somewhere, probably near the end, otherwise it's entirely feasible that there's a chance you could have a playthrough where you don't encounter the Alien at all...

    Set pieces are pretty much a brute force solution that break the rules though.

    Creative Assembly set a pretty high bar for the behaviour of the Alien in their hype:
    “In Alien: Isolation, the creature is hunting you. If it hears you, it will track down the source of the noise; if it sees you, it will pursue at speed; tackling it head-on is not for the faint-hearted. It’s ruthless, relentless and unstoppable. Which makes us ask, #howwillyousurvive?“

    But it appears that was meant in pretty much the same way the average AI guard will hunt you in an FPS. The Alien will not actually hunt you. There will be encounters, either scripted or triggered by you (noisemaker, gunfire etc) where it will spawn into an area. It will then hunt within that area, and then de-spawn until summoned again. It could still be a very good game, but its a lot less ambitious than the original hype.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭TomCo


    Star Lord wrote: »
    I was thinking, I'm sure they'll have some kind of set piece in there somewhere, probably near the end, otherwise it's entirely feasible that there's a chance you could have a playthrough where you don't encounter the Alien at all...

    I honestly think that would be scarier!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    So long as you saw/heard some evidence of it being there, or caught occasional glimpses of it, causing you to freeze or hide or alter your planned route, yes. If it was just walking around, seeing/hearing nothing much, then it'd be a different story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    This does look like it could be great. Only 1 alien to worry about as opposed to armies of them coming at you from all angles.

    However, I will need to buy a box of pampers extra large when I sit down to play it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Looks great. My only worry would be the execution of the ai.

    It will totally break the immersion if that ai isn't far above the standard of your usual crap ai.

    For example the alien looks right at you and doesn't see you or you make noise and he doesn't hear you.

    The storyline and puzzle/questing that will force you into encounters with the alien will have to be top notch as well.

    Hopefully it turns out to be as good as it looks but I don't think it's going to hit the mark completely.

    I'd like to see a game starting like this for the first few hours but gradually advancing to a more challenging action based affair but with very limited ammo so you have to choose your battles wisely like the early resident evils using traps and cunning to defeat what should be a superior foe.

    This would allow for a more expanded alien universe as well with facehuggers, eggs, hive, queen etc. Maybe even a twist where you get impregnated by a facehugger and have a time limit to get it out of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    BloodBath wrote: »
    I'd like to see a game starting like this for the first few hours but gradually advancing to a more challenging action based affair but with very limited ammo so you have to choose your battles wisely like the early resident evils using traps and cunning to defeat what should be a superior foe.

    From what I've seen that's pretty much what happens in this game, you get some weapons with fairly limited ammo and there's occasions where you're up against other humans and androids but you can set traps / trick the xenomorph into attacking them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Star Lord wrote: »
    I was thinking, I'm sure they'll have some kind of set piece in there somewhere, probably near the end, otherwise it's entirely feasible that there's a chance you could have a playthrough where you don't encounter the Alien at all...


    That would be pretty cool... Your paranoia alone is what caused you to be careful through the whole game. Genius.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    anyone know if you pre order from gamestop do you get the ripley mission DLC??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    BloodBath wrote: »
    I'd like to see a game starting like this for the first few hours but gradually advancing to a more challenging action based affair but with very limited ammo so you have to choose your battles wisely like the early resident evils using traps and cunning to defeat what should be a superior foe.

    My dream game was always an Aliens style game, something along the lines of the character acting as colonial law enforcement on a station. Nice easy tutorial intro act where the station is light, full of friendly humans and a few tutorial missions to build immersion and to make you give a damn about the future victims. Rumours of something going on in the corporate labs. Act II being a sandbox survival game trying to fortify a safezone with as many of the station inhabitants as you can rescue, with stealth, jury rigged weapons and so on. Act III "fast forwarding" a few weeks to the arrival of the colonial marines, switching to their viewpoint and trying to investigate what happened, rescue survivors (if any), escape, take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. Only way to be sure.
    Maybe even a twist where you get impregnated by a facehugger and have a time limit to get it out of you.

    Oh, its going to get out of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    So got 20 minutes hands on with this today at the EGX event.


    I really really liked it.


    We were playing the survivor mode and it was in two 10 minute sessions on the xbox one version.

    Firstly even the xbox one version looks lovely, I've seen videos of the pc version and that looks gorgeous but the xbox one version was no lazy horse in the visuals. Things did seem a bit brighter but I'm putting that down to the tv/gamma settings

    The alien model is fantastic, the movement is mesmerizing.

    But the important factor.

    It is scary as hell and a lot of fun.

    Survivor mode does not play like Amnesia or Outlast or any other first person hider, I'd imagine Isolation's single player will play closer to amnesia, but this mode, this is different. It's a constant in your face terror, the alien never goes too far away so it's much less waiting things out and much more on taking small chances for little gains that if they fail It's death but a quick start over.

    Everything feels scaled right, it's small enough that getting nipped at the finish line doesnt feel like a complete waste of time, but the level is detailed enough that things didnt fall into a routine.

    The alien is never far, some might feel this is a bit cheap but it's what drives the mode, its taking the last 20 minutes of the first alien movie and distilling that into a game. It's sort of like some mad hybrid of Slender man and left 4 dead.

    But the alien is the selling point, it's a.i may in the end not turn out to be the greatest, I suspect a lot of what is charming me and others may be more the dressing then the actual mechanics but with such a specific stage and intense focus you'll believe it is genuinely alive and you will hate it. The stories my friends and I were telling coming out showed this. The host laughing his ass off cause I'd swear so much abuse at the alien everytime it got me. It's not a scripted, the alien can be completely random in it's approach, the only thing you know is it will always be near.

    Some of the stories though

    my friend hid in a locker, and you can hold your breath while the alien passes, and he did it, but he held it down too long so when he released, ripley let out a big gasp for air and the alien came racing back in and pulled him out.

    I tried hacking a door (cool retro minigame in it part deus ex human revolution hacking by rolling the thumbstick around tool part space invader shape indentifcation) and as I fumbled the device the alien started to slowly come around into the doorway, it's head peering over the frame, the long low hisss. Completed it just in time and the door closes blocking him. I take a breath of relief, waited just too long as I hear the alien banging up into air vent. Coming back out at the top of the stairs where I needed to come down and making a dash towards me. Flamethrower out to fire...out of ammo....DEAD

    thats what terrifies me. The alien moves so slowly and delibrately most of the time, but once it's got your scent it just moves like lightning and you have no chance.

    Outside of that, I found the controls comfortable, the focus effects while using the motion tracker etc was great, the lean function is uncanningly done to feel like someone peaking out in terror.

    My friend felt the controls had a a bit of input lag, I found most actions were *heavy* but I think that was deliberate, the action of pulling out a flamethrower or lifting up the motion tracker is so clearly paced to stop twitch responses, meaning a lot of the time when you use the flamethrower it's a decision you've made before the alien has seen you.

    Overall I didnt get to play a lot at EGX, but Isolation was by far my favourite, it's the only one I went back for 2nds, but that was also because it was by far the most organised game there. While everyother game was saying we had 2-3 hour queue times, Alien Isolation kept it down to 20 minutes by keeping a very organised turnover and strict 10 minute time limit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    If I had other criticisms it would really be with the proposed financial model.

    The survivor mode is shipping in the standard game as a *Demo*

    it's only 1 level, the one we played at the show (called basement) and thats it.

    There are a lot more coming but they are all DLC.

    Now I have no issue with the selling of new levels for a mode as dlc, especially when each pack appears to be all new levels inspired by the films, featuring new characters from the films and will vary things up.

    But shipping with a *demo* in the standard version feels a bit cheap, especially when such modes (distilled versions of a key game mechanic: resident evil mercenaries, gears of war horde mode etc) are normally bundled with a few levels inspired or plucked from the game's single player reshaped to suit. But this appears to have none.

    I'll be annoyed if one of the 5 dlc packs turns out to be reworked levels from the campaign.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭tok9


    Completely agree with Blitzkreig. Played it myself and it was the game I most enjoyed there (after a 3 player round of Micromachines :) )

    Going back again tomorrow and I'll probably try to play it on the Oculus to see what that's like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    tok9 wrote: »
    Completely agree with Blitzkreig. Played it myself and it was the game I most enjoyed there (after a 3 player round of Micromachines :) )

    Going back again tomorrow and I'll probably try to play it on the Oculus to see what that's like.

    If they have BattleCry give that a go too. I was very pleasantly surprised by it at GamesCom.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    tok9 wrote: »
    Completely agree with Blitzkreig. Played it myself and it was the game I most enjoyed there (after a 3 player round of Micromachines :) )

    Going back again tomorrow and I'll probably try to play it on the Oculus to see what that's like.

    IS THERE A NEW MICROMACHINES? MUST HAVE


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭tok9


    IS THERE A NEW MICROMACHINES? MUST HAVE

    No... it was on the Sega Megadrive in the Retro area :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Niska


    tok9 wrote: »
    No... it was on the Sega Megadrive in the Retro area :P

    Ahhhhhhh : (

    Sad Panda.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    Any ideas when the first reviews should be out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Nodferatu wrote: »
    Any ideas when the first reviews should be out?
    According to The Metro at least, the embargo is up prior to launch so I imagine some day this week?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Seems this game has hit the net. So expect opinions shortly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Jesus, there's a section where the motion scanner doesn't work? It's like Creative Assembly woke up one morning and decided "There just aren't enough trousers soaked in terror urine in the world today, how can we fix that?"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Yup, embargo has definitely been lifted...

    Eurogamer review is up now too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    93 from PC gamer. Is it ok to start getting excited yet?

    Found £29 worth of reward points on my old Game card so got it for £3.49.

    http://www.pcgamer.com/alien-isolation-review/

    "Alien: Isolation: The game the Alien series has always deserved. A deep, fun stealth game set in an evocatively realised sci-fi world."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Polygon seem to have given it the lowest score so far. Their comments on the save system are precisely why I'm looking forward to it though.
    This irritation is compounded by Isolation’s save system, which is relegated to emergency stations scattered around the ship. Like most things in the game, it takes multiple seconds to activate them, leaving you helpless and exposed. They’re incredibly risky to use when the alien is around (did I mention the alien is always around?). There is no checkpoint system.

    Death scene spoiler: I imagine this is what can happen sometimes. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,905 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    CVG - This is THE only Alien game, best use of a license since Batman Arkham

    IGN - 5.9 - This isn't a good game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    And the best quote from the reviews so far comes from Kotaku.
    To say that Isolation is superior to Colonial Marines is really just to affirm that, no, it is not one of the worst games I've ever played. Good news, though! Even considered without the Alien brand, Isolation is a very good time. It's equal parts Worst-Case Situation Simulator 2014 and "**** Everything!": The Game. It does have some significant flaws, but on the whole, it works.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    16-19 hours to complete the story ? Sounds lengthy enough.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,530 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    calex71 wrote: »
    16-19 hours to complete the story ? Sounds lengthy enough.

    And they plan on doing additional content by the looks of it?

    The game looks very promising. It will be refreshing to play an Alien game that predominately relies on stealth tactics rather than just the combat element.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    sheehy83 wrote: »
    CVG - This is THE only Alien game, best use of a license since Batman Arkham

    IGN - 5.9 - This isn't a good game

    IGN really are clueless. Worst gaming website out there.

    As the old saying goes.

    You can't spell ignorant without IGN


  • Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Randall Floyd


    Polygon also gave it a relatively low score of 6.5, Videogamer gave it 9.
    Gamespot 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    If I had other criticisms it would really be with the proposed financial model.

    The survivor mode is shipping in the standard game as a *Demo*

    it's only 1 level, the one we played at the show (called basement) and thats it.

    There are a lot more coming but they are all DLC.

    Ughhhh. Is this supposed to make me want the game? Because all it does is make me want to wait for the eventual "GOTY"/whatever edition that finally has all the restricted content unlocked in one go.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Pretty odd, reviews are all over the place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    The main gripes the poor reviews seem to have is that they died a lot.

    Oh noes, a difficult game that doesn't auto save every 30 seconds and doesn't hold your hand throughout.

    I'll reserve judgement until I play the game but 5.9 seems to be a joke of a score. If the game was riddled with game breaking bugs and poor mechanics maybe but they showed nothing to justify such a low score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Ughhhh. Is this supposed to make me want the game? Because all it does is make me want to wait for the eventual "GOTY"/whatever edition that finally has all the restricted content unlocked in one go.
    From the Kotaku review...
    In addition to the main story, Isolation comes with an included "survival mode," which tasks players with escaping from a level while accomplishing various tasks, all while racing a timer. I found it to be slight and in most ways indistinguishable from the main game, particularly given that the base game comes with only a single map and a single character: Amanda Ripley. Publisher Sega will be releasing more levels and playable characters in the future as paid DLC, but for now, survival mode doesn't have much to it.

    Looks like they've basically shipped a demo of the mode to encourage people to get the DLC when it's released rather than just shipping the mode in its entirety as DLC. With a 16-20 hour campaign though there appears to be plenty of content in the base game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    I am liking the look of this game. The reviews are generally positive. The read over at Eurogamer give it an 8/10 and it does read really well.

    Also, this game scored the best game at EGX 2014.

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-03-egx-2014-game-of-the-show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    BloodBath wrote: »
    The main gripes the poor reviews seem to have is that they died a lot.

    Oh noes, a difficult game that doesn't auto save every 30 seconds and doesn't hold your hand throughout.

    I'll reserve judgement until I play the game but 5.9 seems to be a joke of a score. If the game was riddled with game breaking bugs and poor mechanics maybe but they showed nothing to justify such a low score.

    I agree here, IGN have given it a below par score because it is a difficult game. Dark Souls was a difficult game but it still scored high. Grow up IGN.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Baked.noodle


    This is the last hope for the Alien franchise today. Sounds like they may have nailed it :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭tok9


    I don't really mind IGN that much like others here but the reviewer, Ryan McCaffrey, is someone that when I hear or see a piece by him I always disagree.

    So for me this is actually a positive thing. Debating whether to pick it up at launch. I imagine Amazon is the cheapest hard copy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    The few reviews I've read seem all over the place. Gamespot gave it 6. IGN even less. However Eurogamer and The Guardian gave it glowing reviews.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭tok9


    I wouldn't really say reviews are all over the place.

    Seems to be getting mostly solid reviews.

    Edit: Anyone used Gameseek before? It's £38 on that with the Nostromo pack for PS4.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Pc version is averaging 80% on metacritic at the moment despite IGN's 5.9/10 and gamespots 6/10 dragging it down.

    It's all a matter of opinion I guess but my hopes are high for this.


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