Why do we still need Pride?

Aard · 21-06-2015 10:36pm

BunnyRabbit wrote: »

In Derry

Different country pal

J_E · 22-06-2015 9:05pm

BunnyRabbit wrote: »

Some pride parades I've seen, with aggressive people in numbers enough to intimidate most people, shouting stuff like "we're trans, we're trans, we're gonna use your cans", or with people in a town/city after a parade only just on the legal side of having sex in public (which would be equally objectionable if it was straight people) is in my opinion wrong, it does nothing to serve our purpose, it turns people against us.

Peaceful parades, where genuine issues are highlighted in a respectful way, on the other hand I think are a great thing. I think we need to put more effort into educating the majority than alienating them.

There's a passive "let's appease the majority" vibe coming from this post... if Pride parades had always strived to be entirely inoffensive, we'd probably all still be subject to mass ignorance and abuse.

Seamai · 23-06-2015 12:09pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

A lot of what you say has merit yes but ticketed events? Don't we want to make Pride inclusive & not exclusive?

Just an observation.

The Merrion Sq. Village has to appeal to a wide demographic; it can't be handed over to the type of t**s who want to get rat-a***d or s**t-faced as early as possible.

It has to be accessible to families, be family friendly, be a family fun day out both on the square itself & in the park.

This year there will be drink stands (for want of a better description!) and food on site too (presumably hot-dogs, burgers etc.!?) in the village as well as performers & speeches up on the stage.

However from my understanding the drink stalls (better word maybe?) will not be of an alcoholic persuasion. Licencing laws/issues maybe?

I don't think that having the Village in Merrion Square alcohol free should be an issue, there are plenty of places that have events on all afternoon and evening. There will be people drinking from mid morning and will be legless by 6 in the evening. I'm no killjoy but I was at a pride event after the parade in Cork 3 years ago and the behaviour of most of the crowd and particularly the younger members of the LGBT community was a disgrace. I was embarrassed to be associated with them. Do people really need to get rat ar**d to enjoy the day? I'll be having a few pints later and intend enjoying the day, this is a proud day for us, let's put our best foot forward and behave with a bit of pride in ourselves and our community.

mrkiscool2 · 27-06-2015 4:30am

We now need a BT Pride and that's it. I'm sorry to all the Lesbians and Gays out there, but under the eyes of the law you now have FULL equality. If you are equal you DO NOT get to be treated special. I'm sorry, but you don't.

This comes from someone who, since I became a class rep in 2010, has campaigned actively for LGBT rights (including running a campaign for equality officer to campaign for same-sex marriage, same-sex adoption, more reignition of transgender and bisexual people within the community, the right for trans people to identify as who they want and more unisex bathrooms). When you get the same rights as everyone else you can no longer be treated special. If you want a Pride parade then you either a. Include Straight, Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgender, Gender Queer, Asexual and Non-identifying people in it (as in have a part for all of them-equal for straight and homosexuals with a focus on the BTQ part) or b. You don't have one at all.

It's being on my mind for a while now and I felt I had to say something. I have a lot of friends going and it is not for the reason Pride parades were made. It used to be about making people see that LGBTQ people deserved the same rights as everyone else. Don't pretend it is about that anymore unless the focus of this years event is solely on T and Q people. Which it's not!

Again, if you want equality you cannot be treated specially. That is a sure fire way to attract the problems you are trying to eradicate.

Aard · 27-06-2015 8:59am

You think gays are fully equal in every respect with straight people? Lol.

Annasopra · 27-06-2015 9:16am

Since when is pride about being treated special?

dubscottie · 27-06-2015 11:39pm

What I noticed today was that there was a load of kids in town getting drunk. What was worse was at about 5pm I witnessed 2 lads that could not have been more than 16-17, **** each other off. In full view of passers by..

I am gay and did some outdoors stuff when I was younger but never where you could be in view of the public.

What we need to think about is Pride is going to turn into an excuse for everyone to get pissed, as happened with the Arthur's day thing.

A small bunch of pissed kids (prob with good intentions) could give the whole Pride thing a bad name.

Aard · 27-06-2015 11:46pm

Seriously. After the parade town was a mess of drunken teenage skangers. Around Czech Inn area was a disaster. Smashed glass everywhere, screaming girls, generally intimidating vibe.

The parade itself was quite enjoyable.

Sesudra · 27-06-2015 11:54pm

Today was the worse I've ever seen it, Central Bank was total carnage

SpaceTime · 28-06-2015 1:02am

Getting sloshed at public gatherings is a sacred Irish tradition.

Why would anyone expect the Irish LGBT community to be any different to anyone else?

Ireland has a big issue with getting off our faces at all public gatherings. It's nothing new!

Paddy's Day, St Stephens Day, New Years Eve, Gay Pride, Concerts, Hen Nights, you name it we'll drink it.

It's a general cultural issue not a gay pride specific one.

You can do nothing nice here with out a bunch of muppets drinking and vomiting on everything.

Gay pride won't get a bad name for it any more than anything else.

Face it: we have a tincy weency national drinking problem.

Ash885 · 28-06-2015 9:03pm

First Pride and didn't see anything bad or out of the ordinary for a typical Saturday in Dublin. Parade was chirpy and the night after was great for meeting old friends. The gay world in Ireland is scarily small! Of course there were some people who were as pissed as fish early in the day but they a) weren't nessessarily gay/attached to Pride and b) would have been drunk somewhere else anyway given the celebrations.

Not excusing that Pride might bring about people who make a show of themselves but I was pleasantly surprised not to have seen any of it. Count me lucky I guess?

hotmail.com · 28-06-2015 10:32pm

News Flash: Some people go a bit mad during Pride.

hotmail.com · 28-06-2015 10:34pm

dubscottie wrote: »

What I noticed today was that there was a load of kids in town getting drunk. What was worse was at about 5pm I witnessed 2 lads that could not have been more than 16-17, **** each other off. In full view of passers by..

I am gay and did some outdoors stuff when I was younger but never where you could be in view of the public.

What we need to think about is Pride is going to turn into an excuse for everyone to get pissed, as happened with the Arthur's day thing.

A small bunch of pissed kids (prob with good intentions) could give the whole Pride thing a bad name.

Jesus man, you just said you did outdoor stuff and then judge them two lads! Bit rich like.

They must have had a great day by the sounds of it.

wakka12 · 29-06-2015 12:18am

hotmail.com wrote: »

Jesus man, you just said you did outdoor stuff and then judge them two lads! Bit rich like.

They must have had a great day by the sounds of it.

He said he did it outdoors in a private area, probably a forest or something..? Anyway, thats very different to **** on public streets.

hotmail.com · 29-06-2015 8:33am

wakka12 wrote:

He said he did it outdoors in a private area, probably a forest or something..? Anyway, thats very different to **** on public streets.

No such thing a private public area. If it was in a park, that is a public area and he could have been seen by anyone. He has a bit of a nerve to judge anyone else.

jobbridge4life · 29-06-2015 10:18am

hotmail.com wrote: »

No such thing a private public area.

There most assuredly is in practical terms.

hotmail.com · 29-06-2015 10:51am

jobbridge4life wrote:

There most assuredly is in practical terms.

The point is the hypocrisy of giving out out people doing that in public view when they've admitted they did it themselves in a public place!

Anyway, who cares. Some people are still so weird about sex in this country. Even those that said they did outdoor sex (but it's not ok for other people!) .

60,000 out the parade. Unbelievable. It's only going to get bigger. Bononza for Dublin city centre.

irish_dave_83 · 29-06-2015 11:11am

hotmail.com wrote: »

No such thing a private public area.

Yea but there are discreet areas. Conducting a sexual act openly on the street is a very different mindset.

Annasopra · 29-06-2015 12:04pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Jesus man, you just said you did outdoor stuff and then judge them two lads! Bit rich like.

They must have had a great day by the sounds of it.

Do you think its ok for 16/17 year olds to be **** each other off on a public street?

jobbridge4life · 29-06-2015 12:47pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

The point is the hypocrisy of giving out out people doing that in public view when they've admitted they did it themselves in a public place!

Anyway, who cares. Some people are still so weird about sex in this country. Even those that said they did outdoor sex (but it's not ok for other people!) .

60,000 out the parade. Unbelievable. It's only going to get bigger. Bononza for Dublin city centre.

I'm sorry but just because two sex acts happen to have happened out of doors does not mean they have anything other than that bare fact in common. Moreover just because one has engaged once in an activity or a vaguely similar activity does not mean they can't ever properly comment on it again. If in a drunken encounter you forget to use a condom does that mean one should be precluded from criticising bareback orgies?

Being so sh*tfaced that you end up preforming a sex act on a public street in our capital city, in broad day light is worthy of criticism and that criticism is valid even if the person making it has done the exact same thing themselves at some point in the past.

Ash885 · 29-06-2015 1:01pm

Anyone else a little bit disappointed (albeit not surprised) threads about Pride ended up being about this? I understand it might have been unsettling to some but like...you're all arguing about what merits acceptable sex outside?

How about talking about some of the positives as well? I loved all the pro Trans groups parading. I loved how Roscommon and Leitrim got massive cheers as they went by the crowds. I loved the GMHS van and HIV banners promoting safety. That the INTO were the only group I could see still campaigning for Sectio 37 to be removed. I was surpised Pavee point had a group. How seeing couples in their late 50s and 60s walking down the street holding hands and getting cheered was only matched by the group of toursits I overheard commending Ireland as a whole. How two drag queens were buying bars in a Spar and the only thing they were asked was were they having a good day?

But no, let's talk solely about this.

jobbridge4life · 29-06-2015 1:12pm

Ash885 wrote: »

Anyone else a little bit disappointed (albeit not surprised) threads about Pride ended up being about this? I understand it might have been unsettling to some but like...you're all arguing about what merits acceptable sex outside?

How about talking about some of the positives as well? I loved all the pro Trans groups parading. I loved how Roscommon and Leitrim got massive cheers as they went by the crowds. I loved the GMHS van and HIV banners promoting safety. That the INTO were the only group I could see still campaigning for Sectio 37 to be removed. I was surpised Pavee point had a group. How seeing couples in their late 50s and 60s walking down the street holding hands and getting cheered was only matched by the group of toursits I overheard commending Ireland as a whole. How two drag queens were buying bars in a Spar and the only thing they were asked was were they having a good day?

But no, let's talk solely about this.

You are right of course but as is always the way with humans the most outrageous/sexy/scary/disturbing/scandalous thing will find its way to the top of our attention lists. Think Slane Girl.

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 1:21pm

Having sex or getting your bits out in a sexual way and **** in a public place here is illegal and you can be charged with public indecency offences.

It's not really something that is open to a discussion about context. It's just not legal or socially acceptable to have sex in full public view here - gay or straight it's irrelevant (and straight people have done this too...)

I've seen similar behaviour with straight couples at various events (outdoor gigs) and it's usually down to being off their faces on something that has removed all inhibitions or being total exhibitionists - usually a combination of both.

In the context of gay pride also a bit of an own goal. There are conservatives constantly looking for reasons to go "see! I told you so!"

A bit of cop on would be a nice thing! It's a public place, anyone could be walking past, including minors.

We've also just got a bunch of "feral youth" who seem to just have absolutely zero cop on about anything.

Again they're always there they're not at all unique to the LGBT community.

At the end of the day, the gay community encompasses *all* the same personalities as any other aspect of the Irish community and as a nation a small % tend to get very, very messy at parties and festivals.

hotmail.com · 29-06-2015 1:37pm

Joeytheparrot wrote:

Do you think its ok for 16/17 year olds to be **** each other off on a public street?

I don't care is my answer. I wouldn't do it myself. But I did plenty of stupid things when I was younger that I wouldn't do now. All sorts of stuff happened on Saturday! Are we going to criticise every "wrong" action from Pride and sit in boards.ie judgement?

hotmail.com · 29-06-2015 1:45pm

This is not conservatives giving out about it. It's other gay men who have probably done far worse in their time!

The issue of alcohol consumption in Ireland at these kinds of events is definitely an issue that should be discussed. But it should be discussed as a general issue, not specific to Pride or any other single event.

The "sex" thing gets brought up every year and I really feel this is just people's awkwardness and prudishness with sex in general. And it's usually one couple out of thousands and yet people focus on this. Get over it.

I would rather a debate / discussion about the alcohol consumption in Ireland. Do we drink too much or is it ok for a once off event? And I'm not just referring to 16-20 years. Many people in their 30s and 40s upwards were wasted on Saturday.

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 1:46pm

- the LGBT community is just connected together by a single common struggle - it encompasses everyone from politicians, to professors, to street sweepers, to sports people, to conservative mammies, to football hooligans and scummy teenagers and everyone in between.

I don't think it's any more reasonable to make sweeping statements about the gay community that it would be about "all men" or "all women".

We share a sexual orientation and common objectives to have our rights recognised and most of us are probably lovely but, we can't just take responsibility for the actions of every gay person any more than I'm responsible for the actions of every man in his 20s to 30s.

Scumbags will be scumbags and get messy in public - they can be straight or LGBT.

Being gay doesn't instantly mean you're a social sophisticate either!

I just see it as a reflection on a % of dumbasses that inhabit this island as I've seen similar behaviour from straight people. Only difference is is two lads will get more of a shocked reaction from people who are a bit homophobic.

Cop on would be nice but, it's not going to happen.

Messy and sometimes dangerous Stuff happens at festivals, it always did and most likely always will.

Let's not get carried away beating ourselves up about it!

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I'd also add we absolutely do still need pride!
It helps a hell of a lot of people out of the their shells and it also keeps the LGBT aspect of society viable which is currently still very important.

There's a notion out there that ah sure they're grand now they're able to marry.

You still can't necessarily comfortably walk down the street holding your partner's hand in most of Europe.

You've still got not only limited rights but actual active persecution of LGBT people in many countries.

Being very visible in the liberal countries keeps changing attitudes elsewhere and keeps pushing things forward by showing Ireland and most other forward thinking countries are able to not just tolerate but actually embrace their gay side as part of their cultures.

There's a big need for it and don't let a bunch of muppets getting carried away shocking a few right wing conservatives derail it!

wakka12 · 29-06-2015 2:49pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

- the LGBT community is just connected together by a single common struggle - it encompasses everyone from politicians, to professors, to street sweepers, to sports people, to conservative mammies, to football hooligans and scummy teenagers and everyone in between.

I don't think it's any more reasonable to make sweeping statements about the gay community that it would be about "all men" or "all women".

We share a sexual orientation and common objectives to have our rights recognised and most of us are probably lovely but, we can't just take responsibility for the actions of every gay person any more than I'm responsible for the actions of every man in his 20s to 30s.

Scumbags will be scumbags and get messy in public - they can be straight or LGBT.

Being gay doesn't instantly mean you're a social sophisticate either!

I just see it as a reflection on a % of dumbasses that inhabit this island as I've seen similar behaviour from straight people. Only difference is is two lads will get more of a shocked reaction from people who are a bit homophobic.

Cop on would be nice but, it's not going to happen.

Messy and sometimes dangerous Stuff happens at festivals, it always did and most likely always will.

Let's not get carried away beating ourselves up about it!

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I'd also add we absolutely do still need pride!
It helps a hell of a lot of people out of the their shells and it also keeps the LGBT aspect of society viable which is currently still very important.

There's a notion out there that ah sure they're grand now they're able to marry.

You still can't necessarily comfortably walk down the street holding your partner's hand in most of Europe.

You've still got not only limited rights but actual active persecution of LGBT people in many countries.

Being very visible in the liberal countries keeps changing attitudes elsewhere and keeps pushing things forward by showing Ireland and most other forward thinking countries are able to not just tolerate but actually embrace their gay side as part of their cultures.

There's a big need for it and don't let a bunch of muppets getting carried away shocking a few right wing conservatives derail it!

We say that a lot but in reality its probably perfectly safe to walk hand in hand with somebody of same gender in almost every urban area in western europe. Dublin for sure, and cork ,galway and belfast. A lot of it is in our heads, can you honestly imagine anybody in dublin punching you or shouting fag for doing this? Because I can't.
The only reason I wouldn't hold hands with my boyfriend in public is because Im a very self conscious person and the thought of people thinking nasty things about me in their head is enough to make me feel sick, its an irrational fear. Im sure you'd actually get a lot of people smiling proudly at you in Dublin for being so brave and open.

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 3:10pm

I'm not sure I'd be that confident or that it's all in anyone's head either.

Spend a lot of time in Belgium and France. Belgium in particular has been at the leading edge of gay rights for decades but two people I know we're pretty savagely attacked in Brussels for holding hands. (That's a country that has had an openly gay prime minister.)

Local scumbags hurling abuse followed by punches to the face.

That kind of thing is a bit worrying.

In Bordeaux there was a spate of incidents where 5 people were actually murdered in homophobic attacks.

I'm not saying Ireland's that bad but, there's still a bit to do too.

So I'm just saying it's still far from gay-friendly paradise Europe despite the rights. There's still a long way to go on shifting some attitudes.

jobbridge4life · 29-06-2015 3:13pm

wakka12 wrote: »

We say that a lot but in reality its probably perfectly safe to walk hand in hand with somebody of same gender in almost every urban area in western europe. Dublin for sure, and cork ,galway and belfast. A lot of it is in our heads, can you honestly imagine anybody in dublin punching you or shouting fag for doing this? Because I can't.
The only reason I wouldn't hold hands with my boyfriend in public is because Im a very self conscious person and the thought of people thinking nasty things about me in their head is enough to make me feel sick, its an irrational fear. Im sure you'd actually get a lot of people smiling proudly at you in Dublin for being so brave and open.

Honestly that is wishful thinking. There are areas of Dublin I'd feel fairly confident of being able to hold the OHs hand with out getting a nasty reaction but there are also areas where I wouldn't even think of it.

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 3:15pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Honestly that is wishful thinking. There are areas of Dublin I'd feel fairly confident of being able to hold the OHs hand with out getting a nasty reaction but there are also areas where I wouldn't even think of it.

I'm seeing a good few gay couples holding hands around Cork though and not just young trendy types either.

Annasopra · 29-06-2015 3:17pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is not conservatives giving out about it. It's other gay men who have probably done far worse in their time!

The issue of alcohol consumption in Ireland at these kinds of events is definitely an issue that should be discussed. But it should be discussed as a general issue, not specific to Pride or any other single event.

The "sex" thing gets brought up every year and I really feel this is just people's awkwardness and prudishness with sex in general. And it's usually one couple out of thousands and yet people focus on this. Get over it.

I would rather a debate / discussion about the alcohol consumption in Ireland. Do we drink too much or is it ok for a once off event? And I'm not just referring to 16-20 years. Many people in their 30s and 40s upwards were wasted on Saturday.

Why should it be a general discussion? Why not a debate on why alcohol consumption/abuse is so high amongst LGBT people?

http://drugs.ie/features/feature/alcohol_use_among_the_lesbian_gay_bisexual_transgender_lgbt_community

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 3:25pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Why should it be a general discussion? Why not a debate on why alcohol consumption/abuse is so high amongst LGBT people?

http://drugs.ie/features/feature/alcohol_use_among_the_lesbian_gay_bisexual_transgender_lgbt_community

Stress, social exclusion and addiction tend to go together.

Maybe that's going to start changing rather rapidly as being LGBT starts to become as controversial as being ginger.

I actually also think there needs to be more focus on non pub, bar, club related community resources.

The survey could be a bit biased towards the people who identify as the gay community who are basically regulars in a particular bar / set of venues.

I suspect there's a big, broad, rather unnoticed gay community out there who may be rather boring and sensible.

It's a bit of a conflation of the Irish drinking culture with gay night life culture and I suspect that's likely to produce very very serious drinking.

I think in an Irish context though there is a general discussion to be had. Irish people tend to go for drink (and drugs) to overcome social awkwardness and I think it's something we really do need to look at as a country.

As far as I can see the gay community is just a subset of the Irish community so, you're really seeing the same problems a bit magnified by a few unique factors.

wakka12 · 29-06-2015 3:43pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd be that confident or that it's all in anyone's head either.

Spend a lot of time in Belgium and France. Belgium in particular has been at the leading edge of gay rights for decades but two people I know we're pretty savagely attacked in Brussels for holding hands. (That's a country that has had an openly gay prime minister.)

Local scumbags hurling abuse followed by punches to the face.

That kind of thing is a bit worrying.

In Bordeaux there was a spate of incidents where 5 people were actually murdered in homophobic attacks.

I'm not saying Ireland's that bad but, there's still a bit to do too.

So I'm just saying it's still far from gay-friendly paradise Europe despite the rights. There's still a long way to go on shifting some attitudes.

Those murders were actually committed by muslim immigrants, not french people...so you can't really say bordeaux isn't an accepting place based on a group of people who are forcing the awful customs and attitudes of their homelands upon their new home

wakka12 · 29-06-2015 3:47pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd be that confident or that it's all in anyone's head either.

Spend a lot of time in Belgium and France. Belgium in particular has been at the leading edge of gay rights for decades but two people I know we're pretty savagely attacked in Brussels for holding hands. (That's a country that has had an openly gay prime minister.)

Local scumbags hurling abuse followed by punches to the face.

That kind of thing is a bit worrying.

In Bordeaux there was a spate of incidents where 5 people were actually murdered in homophobic attacks.

I'm not saying Ireland's that bad but, there's still a bit to do too.

So I'm just saying it's still far from gay-friendly paradise Europe despite the rights. There's still a long way to go on shifting some attitudes.

Also why is there so little news reports about those 5 murders? Seems like it would be very big news no?? I can hardly find anything about it, anything that comes up is about some girl called kelli bordeaux who went missing

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 5:19pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Also why is there so little news reports about those 5 murders? Seems like it would be very big news no?? I can hardly find anything about it, anything that comes up is about some girl called kelli bordeaux who went missing

Im not sure it was kind of big ish news in France.

Honestly though it's not just extreme Islamic types over there.

There's a hugely homophobic extreme right too. It's bit of a horrible coalition of both:

Have a look at what's going on over there:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/21/france-gay-marriage-bill

As nasty as our referendum was *nothing* like that happened!

I was just sitting at a cafe on my own reading my iPhone in Paris and a gay couple at the next table got harassed and called "pédé" the usual term of abuse for gay people in France which stems from pedophile. It's an extremely nasty slur that gets used all the time rather casually by teenagers too.

I'm not even sure it was a gay couple either. just two French lads having lunch (a common sight in France oddly enough...)

It's all very easy to just blame Islamic communities for this but France has turned quite hard right too. There's a lot of scary crap going on and it's increasingly a place I don't even want to spend any time anymore.

Sad to say that as its a country I have a lot of connections to and fond memories of but it's showing its nasty side way too often for my liking.

Between the neo nazis and the Islamists it's just becoming an incredibly hostile place to be if you're a minority group that isn't liked by both of those factions.

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Sadly, it's also still wishful thinking to assume that you're entirely safe and comfortable being gay in Western Europe - you're not.

This is exactly why we still need things like gay pride and constant pushes to change attitudes.

Kalman · 29-06-2015 5:28pm

L1011 wrote: »

Until such time as the religious get-outs in the Employment Equality Act are fixed, and the legislation for marriage (and the gender recognition bill passes, on the T side of LGBT) there is still obvious inequality to fight for. That's well before homophobia is dealt with.

And we will all live happily ever after. Stop dreaming! There will always be homophobia .

SpaceTime · 29-06-2015 10:17pm

Kalman wrote: »

And we will all live happily ever after. Stop dreaming! There will always be homophobia .

If you don't dream, nothing changes!

Changing attitudes is no small task but it is achievable. Bit by bit.

mrkiscool2 · 29-06-2015 10:31pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

If you don't dream, nothing changes!

Changing attitudes is no small task but it is achievable. Bit by bit.

While I do agree that we have to dream of a world where homophobia no longer exists to get attitudes to change, it will never happen. There will always be bigots. It's unfortunate but it happens. We just have to get closer and closer to that line of all people being accepted, no matter who they are.

dubscottie · 30-06-2015 12:29am

hotmail.com wrote: »

The point is the hypocrisy of giving out out people doing that in public view when they've admitted they did it themselves in a public place!

Public park at 2am in a bush or on Georges Street in public.... Both public places..

irish_dave_83 · 30-06-2015 12:23pm

dubscottie wrote: »

Public park at 2am in a bush or on Georges Street in public.... Both public places..

Yes but one is discreet and one is not. Lets be honest, you have a different mind-set if you are just going to whip it out on Georges street full of people compared to a near empty park behind a bush.

hotmail.com · 30-06-2015 2:07pm

irish_dave_83 wrote:

Yes but one is discreet and one is not. Lets be honest, you have a different mind-set if you are just going to whip it out on Georges street full of people compared to a near empty park behind a bush.

They are both public places. The public can stumble across a pair having sex in a park! It's the same thing and the same principle. So it's really rich to condemn one and to say the other one is ok. You're now talking about someone's mind set. Smell of judgement off some posters. Gays will do your head in.

irish_dave_83 · 30-06-2015 2:23pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

They are both public places. The public can stumble across a pair having sex in a park! It's the same thing and the same principle. So it's really rich to condemn one and to say the other one is ok. You're now talking about someone's mind set. Smell of judgement off some posters. Gays will do your head in.

Firstly I'm not gay, and "gays will do you head in" is a rather judgmental comment to make.

That aside, its obvious both are public places no one is arguing this, but behind a bush in a park at night and 2am on Georges St on a Saturday night/Sunday morning are very different things. If you can't grasp that, well I don't think I can explain it much more clearly.

At least in the park you are trying not to get caught, maybe you should look up the phrase "stumble across" before trying to argue your point.

So it's perfectly fine for me to condemn this blatant disregard for other people.

Ash885 · 30-06-2015 2:32pm

And when the parks are littered with condoms and lube wrappers like they are now, we'll know it was all done to save us the sights of the actual sexual deed. Cheers! People are defending dogging, I love it haha.

And I think the gays will do your head in malarky is how some people choose to be offended by what would obviously happen at any public gathering of this scale. I've seen many a times two straight people riding the hell out of each other in the alleyway outside Coppers. I didn't judge the entire hetereosexual populace on this action, nor women, men etc. Just two bafoons who had a little too much to drink and not enough decency. Sure I knew what to expect going to Coppers; did I let it affect my night? No, because focusing on an incident like that (whether intended to be public or not) is not something that I want to focus on.

I think this very topic is exactly why we need Pride, as the thread asked. Because people will continually try to sexualise the gay community into these acts when in all fairness, all I wanted to do (and many others I assume) on the day was walk down O'Connell street holding our partners hand...

hotmail.com · 30-06-2015 9:56pm

irish_dave_83 wrote: »

Firstly I'm not gay, and "gays will do you head in" is a rather judgmental comment to make.

That aside, its obvious both are public places no one is arguing this, but behind a bush in a park at night and 2am on Georges St on a Saturday night/Sunday morning are very different things. If you can't grasp that, well I don't think I can explain it much more clearly.

At least in the park you are trying not to get caught, maybe you should look up the phrase "stumble across" before trying to argue your point.

So it's perfectly fine for me to condemn this blatant disregard for other people.

Nonsense. A public place is a public place.

Anyway, what harm is it causing if people are doing it?

hotmail.com · 30-06-2015 9:58pm

Ash885 wrote: »

And when the parks are littered with condoms and lube wrappers like they are now, we'll know it was all done to save us the sights of the actual sexual deed. Cheers! People are defending dogging, I love it haha.

And I think the gays will do your head in malarky is how some people choose to be offended by what would obviously happen at any public gathering of this scale. I've seen many a times two straight people riding the hell out of each other in the alleyway outside Coppers. I didn't judge the entire hetereosexual populace on this action, nor women, men etc. Just two bafoons who had a little too much to drink and not enough decency. Sure I knew what to expect going to Coppers; did I let it affect my night? No, because focusing on an incident like that (whether intended to be public or not) is not something that I want to focus on.

I think this very topic is exactly why we need Pride, as the thread asked. Because people will continually try to sexualise the gay community into these acts when in all fairness, all I wanted to do (and many others I assume) on the day was walk down O'Connell street holding our partners hand...

Well said.

There are gays that frequently go to saunas and have done outdoor stuff and they are sometimes very quick to judge others.

We're supposed to be getting away from judging people. It has to start with gays not judging other gays.

sasta le · 30-06-2015 10:14pm

Be great to get the gay vote on other things that effect the country

Annasopra · 30-06-2015 11:42pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well said.

There are gays that frequently go to saunas and have done outdoor stuff and they are sometimes very quick to judge others.

We're supposed to be getting away from judging people. It has to start with gays not judging other gays.

Why is this about gays judging other gays? Personally I find the idea of having sex in the middle of the street wrong no matter who does it. I'm not judging someone cause they are gay. I'm judging someone for having sex in the middle of the street. I think you are wrong to actually suggest this is about gay people judging gay people at all.

Annasopra · 30-06-2015 11:44pm

sasta le wrote: »

Be great to get the gay vote on other things that effect the country

Eh. Its not a homogenous vote. Some of us are like Paddy Manning, Keith Mills and Richard Waghorne. Some of us are the opposite.

sasta le · 01-07-2015 12:30am

Mean in terms of numbers support and awareness

wakka12 · 01-07-2015 9:19am

One of my american friends recently visited from Florida and said he didnt enjoy his trip to ireland at all, he said it was beautiful and had so many interesting sites but the people were terrible, especially in Dublin. God nasty looks when holding hands with his boyfriend and even had homophobic abuse shouted at him on a number of occasions.
Said he didnt suffer any abuse outside of Dublin, funny isn't it. So much for Dublin being the liberal accepting place I thought it was, Im so angry and sad and just disappointed this happened to him.

Why do we still need Pride?

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