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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #752
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Article 43 makes no mention of property tax.
    It does mention social justice though.
    Is it social justice that homeowners are discriminated against while home renters get off scot free?


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    #753
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It does mention social justice though.
    Is it social justice that homeowners are discriminated against while home renters get off scot free?
    If the anti charge people think that this charge/tax is unconstitutional on this basis, they should take a case.
    They won't, because they are not that stupid.


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    #754
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It does mention social justice though.
    Is it social justice that homeowners are discriminated against while home renters get off scot free?

    Yes. Beacuase the landlord can pass on the cost of the charge to the tenant. All €8 a month of it.


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    #755
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    If the anti charge people think that this charge/tax is unconstitutional on this basis, they should take a case.
    They won't, because they are not that stupid.

    More deflection.
    Do you find it hard to answer questions directly.
    You'd make a great politician.


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    #756
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Read the thread. I don't need to repeat myself.

    Again,I will ask you......

    Please tell me again and tell everyone here today (who didnt see your post last night).

    Please do give me and everyone else here a full explanation why you did not pay the poll tax in England??

    Thanks


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    #757
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Yes. Beacuase the landlord can pass on the cost of the charge to the tenant. All €8 a month of it.
    What about all €80 a month next year? or whatever amount they choose.
    Will you be so dismissive then?


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    #758
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,598 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Yes. Beacuase the landlord can pass on the cost of the charge to the tenant. All €8 a month of it.

    Jesus not you too !!! Do you think it will be 8 euro a month in a year or two ?


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    #759
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    More deflection.
    Do you find it hard to answer questions directly.
    Deflection? The premise of your arguement is ludicrous. Its hard to take seriously.
    gerryo777 wrote: »
    You'd make a great politician.
    Thank you.


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    #760
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I see that James (I need tax breaks to help upkeep my 13 bedroom mansion) Reilly has come out in defence of his esteemed colleague. We're all in this together so we are.. Pay your way and don't be so unpatriotic, ya hear?

    In another case of double standards, he has also stated that Denis O'Brien be allowed due process, in other words innocent until proven guilty. It makes me laugh when I hear this B sh ite, certain government officials have been attacking fianna fail over their backing of Bertie, saying that they all knew he was a liar, but never came out and knocked him, I think Fianna fails excuse at the time was in regards to due process, due process has now been served and bertie was found to be lying. end of.

    If the Phil Hogan story is not a hoax, then he needs to f kcu right off, because I wont pay the household charge because I am not getting the service I was promised either.


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    #761
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Yes. Beacuase the landlord can pass on the cost of the charge to the tenant. All €8 a month of it.

    You can pay it monthly now? News to me.. if people had of been made aware of that earlier then more households would have registered.


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    #762
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »


    Thank you.

    That wasn't a compliment!

    And you still didn't answer my question.

    Is it social justice that homeowners pay for local services and home renters don't?


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    #763
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    That wasn't a compliment!
    I suspected as much, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt.


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    #764
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    dvpower wrote: »
    If the anti charge people think that this charge/tax is unconstitutional on this basis, they should take a case.
    They won't, because they are not that stupid.
    You right, stupid are those who paid.


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    #765
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    And you still didn't answer my question.
    Which particular question was that now?


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    #766
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    My name is URL wrote: »
    You can pay it monthly now? News to me.. if people had of been made aware of that earlier then more households would have registered.
    Yes, but they wanted their money before summer holidays.


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    #767
    TURRICAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭TURRICAN


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Heard this on the radio this morning.
    A figure of 0.035% per €100,000 is being leaked as the charge for next year.
    So if you have a house worth €300,000 the tax next year will be €1,050 per year plus water charges, plus refuse collection.

    I figured they would come up with something like this. The big question is what is the value of your house? I don't think that method will work. Because although you might value your house at €300,000 you might only get half of that. Banks are not lending and this is driving the value of property down.

    They should be taking size of house, size and location of plot, proximity to services and transport etc into account. Value of house is too subjective.

    No they shouldn't. Who's side are you on?


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    #768
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Which particular question was that now?

    762


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    #769
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    phil1nj wrote: »
    Post #7366 from the 1st half of this thread:

    alastair: I'll say pay your damn taxes - there's the actual principle.

    Post #7708:

    And as the poll tax. I was there and refused to pay

    Definition of HYPOCRITE

    1
    : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2
    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    There, I thought I would remind the law abiding Alistar about his previous leanings, not so much of a hypocrite in my opinion, more of a Fine Gael Flunkie, pedaling lies on Boards .ie


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    #770
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    That wasn't a compliment!

    And you still didn't answer my question.

    Is it social justice that homeowners pay for local services and home renters don't?

    Home renters do. They just don't pay a tax that isn't applicable to them - a home owner tax.

    Car owner = motor tax
    No car ownership = no motor tax
    Home owner = property tax
    No home ownership = no property tax


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    #771
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    alastair wrote: »
    Home renters do. They just don't pay a tax that isn't applicable to them - a home owner tax.

    Car owner = motor tax
    No car ownership = no motor tax
    Home owner = property tax
    No home ownership = no property tax

    Renters that I know of, are expected to pay for their services.
    It might not be a 'tax' but its still a bill - and its still expected to be paid.


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    #772
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Alastair............Please tell me again and tell everyone here who didnt see your post last night.

    Please do give me and everyone else here a full explanation why you did not pay the poll tax in England.

    Thanks


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    #773
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    alastair wrote: »
    Home renters do. They just don't pay a tax that isn't applicable to them - a home owner tax.

    Car owner = motor tax
    No car ownership = no motor tax
    Home owner = property tax
    No home ownership = no property tax

    That is bull s hit e Alistar the hypocrite, you can live without a car, you cannot live without a home, you either need to rent or buy or are you advocating squatting ?


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    #774
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Home renters do. They just don't pay a tax that isn't applicable to them - a home owner tax.

    Car owner = motor tax
    No car ownership = no motor tax
    Home owner = property tax
    No home ownership = no property tax

    I thought it was a 'household charge', now it's a 'home owner tax'
    Why don't they rename it then and call it what it is.
    A tax that discriminates against homeowners.

    There are none so blind as those that cannot see.


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    #775
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    That is bull s hit e Alistar the hypocrite, you can live without a car, you cannot live without a home, you either need to rent or buy or are you advocating squatting ?

    He never paid his poll tax over in the uk though.:rolleyes:


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    #776
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    paddy147 wrote: »
    he never paid his poll tax though.:rolleyes:

    I will tell you why he said he wouldnt, he said it was an unfair tax.


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    #777
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    paddy147 wrote: »
    he never paid his poll tax though.:rolleyes:


    It looks like the fine gaelers, Phil Hogan, Alistar, dont practice what they preach :)

    Do as I say, not as I do :cool:


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    #778
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    I will tell you why he said he wouldnt, he said it was an unfair tax.


    Oh,I see.........................:rolleyes:


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    #779
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    I will tell you why he said he wouldnt, he said it was an unfair tax.

    But it was the law, and he has been preaching to us on this forum on why WE cannot break the law, yet HE broke the law and refused to pay a tax to the government of the time.


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    #780
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    alastair wrote: »
    Home renters do. They just don't pay a tax that isn't applicable to them - a home owner tax.

    Car owner = motor tax
    No car ownership = no motor tax
    Home owner = property tax
    No home ownership = no property tax
    Lies lies lies.
    motor tax depends on the size of engine =fair
    property tax = 100euro. If your house is worth 1000000e or over you pay 100e if it is worth 100000euro you pay a 100euro :-). PAY FOR ME you love it!


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    #781
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Alastair's reply to post 7708 in part 1

    Originally Posted by porsche boy
    Well, you missed that point didn't you.
    If the national movement that's in action dont manage to completely overturn this then you will only have to pay that bit extra if you decide to pay at all. Remember a national movement similar to this overturned the water rates in the mid ninties and a movement like this managed to back Maggie Tatcher into withdrawal of Poll Tax in the UK.
    I'm missing no point. Those who delay payment will only end up paying an extra 50% into the coffers. Nice windfall for the govt. Property taxes are happening - don't delude yourself otherwise.

    And as the poll tax. I was there and refused to pay. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen - This is no poll tax.


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