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  • #152
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    thestar wrote: »
    I was quoting Scouser saying that he wont be living like a champion if he joins AGS. Any Guard I tell that I'm hoping to join and that I'm doing a masters at the moment tell me that I'm crazy, the amount of Gardai that moan about their job is ridiculous

    Everyone's experience is different some members are positive thinking and some are negative . You do find those who are positive get on quicker because their attitude is noticed by those making decisions for promotions and unit selections


  • #153
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭thestar


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Everyone's experience is different some members are positive thinking and some are negative . You do find those who are positive get on quicker because their attitude is noticed by those making decisions for promotions and unit selections

    Same with a lot of things in life I suppose. Have you heard of many reserves leaving because of not getting into band 1?


  • #154
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    thestar wrote: »
    Same with a lot of things in life I suppose. Have you heard of many reserves leaving because of not getting into band 1?

    A number have decided if they don't make it they are going abroad. There are ten of my reserve phase who have made it into the high numbers in the recruitment process but we have an excellent tutor . So will it have an impact on the GR I would say so a lot will become disillusioned , some will stay some will go


  • #155
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    thestar wrote: »
    I was quoting Scouser saying that he wont be living like a champion if he joins AGS. Any Guard I tell that I'm hoping to join and that I'm doing a masters at the moment tell me that I'm crazy, the amount of Gardai that moan about their job is ridiculous

    I know all about AGS

    You can go as high and as far as you want, providing you put in the effort

    filling 10hours of a shift with conversation is hard - moaning helps

    but the problem with that is its contagious


  • #156
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Scouser wrote: »
    I know all about AGS

    You can go as high and as far as you want, providing you put in the effort

    filling 10hours of a shift with conversation is hard - moaning helps

    but the problem with that is its contagious

    Luck of the draw , thank god I work with the positive ones and you can tell the ones who will end up at senior rank


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  • #157
    Boaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Boaty


    You have to be always positive, you could be moaning to the wrong person and if so you won't progress.Be nice to everyone, the new garda could be the one with the contacts.


  • #158
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Luck of the draw , thank god I work with the positive ones and you can tell the ones who will end up at senior rank

    your full of it!

    wheres your station? happy go lucky land? :rolleyes:


  • #159
    Mc Jakester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Mc Jakester


    Raider190 wrote: »
    It's all part of the job. The paper work is not that tough . Have prepared a number of incidents for my unit buddies in order to get some practise in and gone to court as a witness on two really serious cases . So don't be worried when the new powers come on board it's not brain surgery . The first court appearance will be a little daunting but it's all about experience

    So true Raider!
    I've been to court on the prosecuting side loads of times. it gets easier every
    time you go!

    Court Joke.....
    " what do you call a guy in a suit"

    The accused!..


  • #160
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Scouser wrote: »
    your full of it!

    wheres your station? happy go lucky land? :rolleyes:

    Just lucky I guess not all stations are alike , not all members are alike . Feel sorry that you are not having the same experience but a lot of reserves are just like myself happy with their stations their colleagues and how they are treated but then again it's down to your personal approach to the job and perhaps life in general


  • #161
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Just lucky I guess not all stations are alike , not all members are alike . Feel sorry that you are not having the same experience but a lot of reserves are just like myself happy with their stations their colleagues and how they are treated but then again it's down to your personal approach to the job and perhaps life in general

    :rolleyes:


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  • #162
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Boaty wrote: »
    You have to be always positive, you could be moaning to the wrong person and if so you won't progress.Be nice to everyone, the new garda could be the one with the contacts.

    Exactly .in every police force in the world senior ranks like working with loyal colleagues and when a senior officer is building a team he or she looks to recruit those they have worked well with in the past so when they move up in rank they tend to bring their team with them


  • #163
    snams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭snams


    From what I've heard:
    1. Powers will be taken from reserves rather than being given
    2. 60 reserves still have to do the upskilling


  • #164
    Yogi Bear
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Yogi Bear


    snams wrote: »
    From what I've heard:
    1. Powers will be taken from reserves rather than being given
    2. 60 reserves still have to do the upskilling

    Those 60 should be shown the door today. All this time waiting for 60people. Crazy!!

    How do you mean powers will be taken from us? They haven’t got much to take off us.


  • #165
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    snams wrote: »
    From what I've heard:
    1. Powers will be taken from reserves rather than being given
    2. 60 reserves still have to do the upskilling

    The second point might be right , don't think the first one is


  • #166
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Scouser wrote: »
    your full of it!

    wheres your station? happy go lucky land? :rolleyes:

    Has lost contact with the mother ship a good while ago I'd say.


  • #167
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Has lost contact with the mother ship a good while ago I'd say.

    Peace and good will Cruz let get back on topic shall we


  • #168
    Yogi Bear
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Yogi Bear


    I see on Kildare Street the same question one after another, TD's asking, will reserves get preference for the Full Time.
    Has any one asked a TD, to ask Mr Shatter when are we going to get our Powers.


  • #169
    bluetop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭bluetop


    Yogi Bear wrote: »
    I see on Kildare Street the same question one after another, TD's asking, will reserves get preference for the Full Time.
    Has any one asked a TD, to ask Mr Shatter when are we going to get our Powers.

    Try the twelfth of never, its been 5 months since the upskill course was done and here we are yet again asking the same questions, with all that is going on at the moment with the whistle blower's i think the reserves are the last thing on their minds as we always are.


  • #170
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭thestar


    Something is going to have to happen, no incentive to join reserve now, there must be big numbers dropping out if they have any sense


  • #171
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    thestar wrote: »
    Something is going to have to happen, no incentive to join reserve now, there must be big numbers dropping out if they have any sense

    I wonder how many reserves have failed this campaign already?


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  • #172
    seanin4711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    nice mix


  • #173
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭thestar


    want2b wrote: »
    I wonder how many reserves have failed this campaign already?

    Impossible to say but to get into the 600 was a seriously high standard, I'm sick about failing, reserves must feel awful let down


  • #174
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    thestar wrote: »
    Impossible to say but to get into the 600 was a seriously high standard, I'm sick about failing, reserves must feel awful let down

    so far 4 reserves on here through


  • #175
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭thestar


    Scouser wrote: »
    so far 4 reserves on here through

    Is it accepted that there will be some advantage given to reserves in future campaigns?


  • #176
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    Scouser wrote: »
    so far 4 reserves on here through

    Am I Included in that number? 3 from my class are in top 600


  • #177
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    thestar wrote: »
    Is it accepted that there will be some advantage given to reserves in future campaigns?

    Explain?


  • #178
    Canyon86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Canyon86


    want2b wrote: »
    I wonder how many reserves have failed this campaign already?

    With such a cull in numbers at this stage prob a nice few reserves have failed id say!


  • #179
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Canyon86 wrote: »
    With such a cull in numbers at this stage prob a nice few reserves have failed id say!

    You may be quite suprised at the amount in the top figures. Perhaps when the recruitment is completed they will release some figures


  • #180
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    Raider190 wrote: »
    You may be quite suprised at the amount in the top figures. Perhaps when the recruitment is completed they will release some figures

    How did you do yourself?


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  • #181
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    thestar wrote: »
    Is it accepted that there will be some advantage given to reserves in future campaigns?

    Things may change. There may be a full review of the reserve in the very near future


  • #182
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    want2b wrote: »
    How did you do yourself?
    .....


  • #183
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    thestar wrote: »
    Is it accepted that there will be some advantage given to reserves in future campaigns?

    Oh God, Haven't you got the message yet? No wonder the authorities are getting away with this scam.


  • #184
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Oh God, Haven't you got the message yet? No wonder the authorities are getting away with this scam.

    What's the message.


  • #185
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Oh God, Haven't you got the message yet? No wonder the authorities are getting away with this scam.

    Cruz it is no scam a group of dedicated people who want to better themselves and do some good in the community . A bit of respect is needed please


  • #186
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    want2b wrote: »
    What's the message.

    To answer your question in a more polite manner. It would appear that the only advantage at present will be be at the interview stage when a GR may be able to demonstrate his or her aptitude for the role by means of their experience and present a reference from an officer of senior rank. We are all waiting to see how the third stage goes but a number of reserves are having the benefit of mentoring and coaching from experienced members in order to better their chances at the interview. This would not have been available to them had they not joined as they would have not made contact with these individuals.


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  • #187
    bluetop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭bluetop


    Raider190 wrote: »
    To answer your question in a more polite manner. It would appear that the only advantage at present will be be at the interview stage when a GR may be able to demonstrate his or her aptitude for the role by means of their experience and present a reference from an officer of senior rank. We are all waiting to see how the third stage goes but a number of reserves are having the benefit of mentoring and coaching from experienced members in order to better their chances at the interview. This would not have been available to them had they not joined as they would have not made contact with these individuals.

    I totally disagree with that, the whole point is here there was no need for reserves to have done any of this, they could have simply promoted the reserves to full time after all these people most of whom are and have been giving their time freely for the last 7 yrs, and this is how they repay them by making them jump through a hoop, yes this might be unfair to people outside, if they had of been interested they would have done what we all done and joined the reserve force, all this stupid talk about i do this and i do that and i dont have the time to commit, well if you dont have the time to commit a few hrs you dont deserve to be given a place simple.

    They are going to take on new recruits who know nothing about policing compared to the people who have given up 7 yrs of their time and are committed, they know the lie of the land so to speak compared ti a person coming fresh out of the collage.


  • #188
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    bluetop wrote: »
    I totally disagree with that, the whole point is here there was no need for reserves to have done any of this, they could have simply promoted the reserves to full time after all these people most of whom are and have been giving their time freely for the last 7 yrs, and this is how they repay them by making them jump through a hoop, yes this might be unfair to people outside, if they had of been interested they would have done what we all done and joined the reserve force, all this stupid talk about i do this and i do that and i dont have the time to commit, well if you dont have the time to commit a few hrs you dont deserve to be given a place simple.

    They are going to take on new recruits who know nothing about policing compared to the people who have given up 7 yrs of their time and are committed, they know the lie of the land so to speak compared ti a person coming fresh out of the collage.

    Totally agree it shows no thanks to the people who have committed time into it.


  • #189
    Bloodwing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Bloodwing


    bluetop wrote: »
    I totally disagree with that, the whole point is here there was no need for reserves to have done any of this, they could have simply promoted the reserves to full time after all these people most of whom are and have been giving their time freely for the last 7 yrs, and this is how they repay them by making them jump through a hoop, yes this might be unfair to people outside, if they had of been interested they would have done what we all done and joined the reserve force, all this stupid talk about i do this and i do that and i dont have the time to commit, well if you dont have the time to commit a few hrs you dont deserve to be given a place simple.

    They are going to take on new recruits who know nothing about policing compared to the people who have given up 7 yrs of their time and are committed, they know the lie of the land so to speak compared ti a person coming fresh out of the collage.

    Am I not correct in thinking that the reserve don't have to do an aptitude test? I don't see why a reserve should get a pass in any of the entry requirements. There is a massive difference between the role/duties of a reserve compared to a full time member, 7 years or more as a reserve is not an indication of suitability for the full time.

    Edit: just to clarify, I am referring to the fact that entry to the reserve doesn't require an aptitude test, not that reserves don't have to do an aptitude tset to the full time.


  • #190
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    want2b wrote: »
    Totally agree it shows no thanks to the people who have committed time into it.


    What thanks do you want? You volunteered to work for nothing and now you want thanks.


  • #191
    snams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭snams


    Can you go back on track lads?


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  • #192
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    What thanks do you want? You volunteered to work for nothing and now you want thanks.

    Typical response from cruz. Same old same old.


  • #193
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Bloodwing wrote: »
    Am I not correct in thinking that the reserve don't have to do an aptitude test? I don't see why a reserve should get a pass in any of the entry requirements. There is a massive difference between the role/duties of a reserve compared to a full time member, 7 years or more as a reserve is not an indication of suitability for the full time.

    Edit: just to clarify, I am referring to the fact that entry to the reserve doesn't require an aptitude test, not that reserves don't have to do an aptitude tset to the full time.

    Am assuming you are not a reserve. Please correct me if I am wrong. What exactly do you think a reserve does on a shift. I am interested in the perception and the reality


  • #194
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    What thanks do you want? You volunteered to work for nothing and now you want thanks.

    For your information I am not a reserve.


  • #195
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    Bloodwing wrote: »
    Am I not correct in thinking that the reserve don't have to do an aptitude test? I don't see why a reserve should get a pass in any of the entry requirements. There is a massive difference between the role/duties of a reserve compared to a full time member, 7 years or more as a reserve is not an indication of suitability for the full time.

    Edit: just to clarify, I am referring to the fact that entry to the reserve doesn't require an aptitude test, not that reserves don't have to do an aptitude tset to the full time.

    You say a massive difference between a reserve and full time. I would disagree with this. There are difference's but not massive, maybe I'm wrong just my opinion.


  • #196
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Typical response from cruz. Same old same old.

    The truth hurts.


  • #197
    Bloodwing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Bloodwing


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Am assuming you are not a reserve. Please correct me if I am wrong. What exactly do you think a reserve does on a shift. I am interested in the perception and the reality

    You're right I'm not a reserve, I'm a full time member. I know exactly what a reserve does on a shift, so I guess my perception is close to reality.


  • #198
    bluetop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭bluetop


    Bloodwing wrote: »
    Am I not correct in thinking that the reserve don't have to do an aptitude test? I don't see why a reserve should get a pass in any of the entry requirements. There is a massive difference between the role/duties of a reserve compared to a full time member, 7 years or more as a reserve is not an indication of suitability for the full time.

    Edit: just to clarify, I am referring to the fact that entry to the reserve doesn't require an aptitude test, not that reserves don't have to do an aptitude tset to the full time.

    Do you honestly think after 7yrs you are not a suitable candidate for full time? and what has an aptitude test got to do with it? you might not do everything a FT does but remember they are getting paid big difference not that it would matter either way, roles and duties are evolving granted they are slow to come but they will in time, remember the specials go directly from specials now to constables so why should it be any different here, the problem here is people "want" but dont want to help themselves by joining the reserve force so i dont think they should have a right over a reserve member period, same old as i have said before haven't the time to busy with my mates drinking and partying to bother doing it.

    If it was compulsory to having to serve at least 12mts as a reserve to even be considered to get in full time i bet peoples opinions would change and they would make the time just like we all did they would be biting at the bit so to speak to get in, so all this sure their is a big difference yes but the difference is we know a hell of a lot more than any new people coming in and would be in the best interest of the force for them to recruit internally, many FT mules cant understand why they are not using what they have now, less training time would be required and they would have knowledge of the job, people outside dont have a clue what Garda put up with anything from been spat at to been been stabbed, shot at abused to the hilt family's threatened, drunks puking on you to urinating as well, people think its an easy job it not the FT have a tough job and that is all before a single piece of paper is wrtitten, coming in on their days off to finish paper work, going to court on your day off, how many new people know the working of what actually goes on in a station, not a lot and to be honest they are in for a big awakening how many will stick it for the pay they will receive "lets see" .


  • #199
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Bloodwing wrote: »
    You're right I'm not a reserve, I'm a full time member. I know exactly what a reserve does on a shift, so I guess my perception is close to reality.

    Excellent if so then what are the differences. Now I'm sure that some reserves differ from station to station . This does depend on the type of sgt a reserve is reporting to and the profile of the particular unit they are assigned to.


  • #200
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    The truth hurts.

    Cruz you know so little about the reserve and there is no willingness to learn. I asked you the question before and you deemed not to reply is there nothing you do for the sake of the community ,scouts , first aid, meals on wheels etc . Anything where the pursuit of money is shadowed by a more noble cause. If you do , brilliant if not then your attitude towards the reserve is slightly jaundiced as reserves actually act and don't talk. They commit to a role which contributes , they put themselves on the front line with their full time colleagues. My question with the greatest of respect " what do you do ? "


  • #201
    Bloodwing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Bloodwing


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Excellent if so then what are the differences. Now I'm sure that some reserves differ from station to station . This does depend on the type of sgt a reserve is reporting to and the profile of the particular unit they are assigned to.

    Well for a start a reserve works the hours that suit them, if they have a family function on they can arrange their hours around it. They don't take statements from victims or wittiness who have been involved in some horrendous incident. They aren't under pressure to get files done while being sent all over the place to cover short units. They don't get phone calls to come in at all hours because some lad you've been looking for has just been arrested. They don't arrive in to be told their going on an escort to Kerry and probably won't finish on time. They don't interview prisoners. I could go on but I've gone way off topic.


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