This Ireland rapper show

smokedeels · 21-02-2012 2:19am

lordgoat wrote: »

Was there any decent music on it, seems like they skipped all of the good irish hiphop out there.

tbh, None of it interested me, there was a decent track playing when they introduced The Working Class Army but in general it wasn't the style of hip-hop I enjoy.

mufcboy1999 · 21-02-2012 2:44am

ItsNugget wrote: »

Mufc I fully understand and agree with a lot of what ya said. For me personally it's never been about making it so to speak. Its a passion. Like somebody spending a lot of time and money on Sunday league football except a bit more obsessive. I know I won't make big money but I enjoy it and get a lot of support. I've been recognised by people in some of the least likely parts of Ireland. In fact I get stopped way more by Irish rap fans in country towns than on Dublin. That said I've gotten a fair bit of rap related work the last 6 months that pays well. Record sales won't pay the bills but rapping and knowing the basic skills and techniques have.

i can relate to what your saying and totally respect the irish people who decide to rap for whatever reason hobby or career etc but honestly my personal opinion is the majority of IHH isn't good enough and the sooner IHH relieses that the better so then there might be a chance of someone/people like yourself and just taking a chance and creating something very unique to us, like i said somewhat of a hip hop sub-genre.

i know thats a lot easier said than done but personally id love too see it happen and if its good id support it 100 per cent as im sure everyone would but the negativity towards IHH has to stem from somewhere and the majority of the public just doesn't feel it imo, id go as far as saying the majority of irish hip hop fans dont feel most of it tbh.

i cant sit hear and lie and tell you something its good etc to just show my support for IHH but i will give credit when its due like the song you done with siyo and class A's "irish tune" was a banger i gave that several spins on youtube, its on my channel.

But i dont mean to come across as hater towards IHH but its just my honest opinion that the majority of just isnt good enough, id hate to think 5 years down the line we are still having the same conversations about IHH without any breakthrough artist and the reality is we will unless ye can do something to create your unique identity in hip hop.

The majority of it is about Ireland, so the accent and the lyrics are unique.

rapping from the perspective you have it hard because you grew up in your local council estate or your on the dole isnt unique, hip hop stemmed from real poverty in america trust me it isnt comparable to being poor in ireland in 99 per cent of cases.

Eh, it does not in every song but it clearly does.

not in any of the songs iv heard anyway but then again i don't listen to IHH as much as you.

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 2:51am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

rapping from the perspective you have it hard because you grew up in your local council estate or your on the dole isnt unique, hip hop stemmed from real poverty in america trust me it isnt comparable to being poor in ireland in 99 per cent of cases.

not in any of the songs iv heard anyway but then again i don't listen to IHH as much as you.

Again that is a small section of Dublin rap mostly that raps about that. You have said you liked Irish tune there are plenty of other good songs like that even from Dublin rappers alone.

In general I think IHH is to other Hip-Hop as Hip-Hop is to other music most people do not like it. It takes a lot to get people to listen to Hip-Hop and equally so with IHH.

It is just not their thing in some cases or they have not given it a chance in most cases just like Hip-Hop in general.

mufcboy1999 · 21-02-2012 3:06am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Again that is a small section of Dublin rap mostly that raps about that. You have said you liked Irish tune there are plenty of other good songs like that even from Dublin rappers alone.

In general I think IHH is to other Hip-Hop as Hip-Hop is to other music most people do not like it. It takes a lot to get people to listen to Hip-Hop and equally so with IHH.

It is just not their thing in some cases or they have not given it a chance in most cases just like Hip-Hop in general.

fair enough, i cant argue with who raps about it or not because i simply dont listen to that much of IHH but i have come across it a lot at least from what i listened to.

but im not being smart or anything but i genuinely believe the music isnt good enough to attract people to IHH, its nothing to really do with hip hop as a whole because as a whole its done quite well here in ireland and is quite popular while the same cant be said for IHH unless its humor related.

a lot of well known american rappers are household names here too, 2pac, biggie, eminem,50 cent, jay z, snoop dogg etc all sell out gigs,sell albums etc here regularly as well as most people knowing who the are worldwide not just america and ireland so most people are well aware of hip hop as a whole in this country.

in fact behind pop, hip hop is arguably the number 1 music genre worldwide.

Fo Real · 21-02-2012 3:10am

No offence to any of the lads on the show, but you're deluded if you think rapping is going to pay the bills. Irish music in general doesn't sell, never mind an underground genre like Irish rap. How many Irish bands have made it big? U2 and a handful of Louis Walsh's boybands.

On top of this, the music industry is in decline. People prefer to illegally download these days rather than shell out €20 for an album when they only like one song on it. Bands make their money from touring and doing gigs. Didn't Game encourage people to illegally download his songs for exposure so they would come to his concerts. Get a job lads, seriously.

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 3:11am

Fo Real wrote: »

No offence to any of the lads on the show, but you're deluded if you think rapping is going to pay the bills. Irish music in general doesn't sell, never mind an underground genre like Irish rap. How many Irish bands have made it big? U2 and a handful of Louis Walsh's boybands.

On top of this, the music industry is in decline. People prefer to illegally download these days rather than shell out €20 for an album when they only like one song on it. Bands make their money from touring and doing gigs. Didn't Game encourage people to illegally download his songs for exposure so they would come to his concerts. Get a job lads, seriously.

They mostly sell online for cheaper than CDs and they all gig and do battles because that gets more money than music does (even for huge rappers).

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

but im not being smart or anything but i genuinely believe the music isnt good enough to attract people to IHH, its nothing to really do with hip hop as a whole because as a whole its done quite well here in ireland and is quite popular while the same cant be said for IHH unless its humor related
a lot of well known american rappers are household names here too, 2pac, biggie, eminem,50 cent, jay z, snoop dogg etc all sell out gigs,sell albums etc here regularly as well as most people knowing who the are worldwide not just america and ireland so most people are well aware of hip hop as a whole in this country.

in fact behind pop, hip hop is arguably the number 1 music genre worldwide.

Hip-Hop has done ok here, and IHH has done quite well too when scaled down to match its size compared to Em, Kayne, 50 etc who sell well here.

Yeah 2pac shot, biggie shot, Em crazy white young angst, 50 shot, jay-z a few songs, Snoop nothing but a g than and for his acting.
They sell ok here but not particularly big when compared to pop or rock.

I am not saying Hip-Hop does not do well here but very few acts do well and most are house hold names but ask random people on the street and they will struggle to name songs, albums or lyrics from most of those listed with a few exceptions.

mufcboy1999 · 21-02-2012 3:46am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

They mostly sell online for cheaper than CDs and they all gig and do battles because that gets more money than music does (even for huge rappers).

Hip-Hop has done ok here, and IHH has done quite well too when scaled down to match its size compared to Em, Kayne, 50 etc who sell well here.

Yeah 2pac shot, biggie shot, Em crazy white young angst, 50 shot, jay-z a few songs, Snoop nothing but a g than and for his acting.
They sell ok here but not particularly big when compared to pop or rock.

I am not saying Hip-Hop does not do well here but very few acts do well and most are house hold names but ask random people on the street and they will struggle to name songs, albums or lyrics from most of those listed with a few exceptions.

if you ask random people on the street to name all of madonnas or whitney heustons albums, songs or lryics etc they would struggle but my point is hip hop as a whole is a well established genre in this country and has been very successful while IHH hasnt and that for me indicates that the majority of irish music fans out there just dont like it.

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 3:57am

Years ago people completely wrote it off.

People were saying it was terrible and no other rappers would respect it. Then several people collaborated with the likes of c rayz, bleek, slaine, wordsworth and lupe.

It is growing not fading.

Stab*City · 21-02-2012 10:31am

First of all let me say how terrible the actual show was. It looks like they picked the most boring spots to tape the scenes. Redzer came across like a hapless loser. Siyo like a mammys boy who raps about his mother. And as for the rest what a joke. Id compare IHH (i cant believe you guys made up an acroynm for it!! lol) to Hardcore gabba music produced by over 60's. Its just not right it dont sound right and it dont work. At least not at this moment in time.

But who knows in the future maybe. I mean the way people put on accents in Dublin and the influx of other accents into the country maybe someday they will morph the irish d4 and the american accent into some bastardised irican accent that might actually sound alright on hip hop wax. But until then in my ears it just sounds wrong.

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 11:15am

cmon redzer
Now im in the limelight cause I wear an aron jumper tight
Time to get paid
Blow up like the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,custom house.
Born sinner opposite of a winner
Remember when I used to eat supermacs for dinner.

Ian Whelan · 21-02-2012 11:22am

I watched this last night. The face on the woman with the pram looking at the young girl rapping said it all for me.

Fo Real · 21-02-2012 12:59pm

Here you go

Lol that was probably the funniest bit alright. The aul wan hadn't clue what she was rapping about....I didn't either tbh. Using big words doesn't make you intelligent. Was wondering when she would shut up. The aul wan was dying to leave.

leggit · 21-02-2012 1:30pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You clearly do not know what a battle is do you?

If some people had their way no one would rap or only people from the Bronx could rap.

Well if an Irish Hip-Hop Rap Battle involves having to resort to the lowest common denominator that isn't even rapping, just your typical "your ma" slag that 8 year olds can come up with then I'm relieved that I clearly don't know what a battle is!

Even the phrase "Irish Hip-Hop" makes me cringe!

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 2:38pm

"i do whatever it takes, i love you like a fat kid love cake…" - 50 Cent
"is that rap? oh my god it is so bad - look steak, make, drake i can rhyme it is so stooooopid. oh my god all rap is crap, haha but c in front of rap what do you get? haha"

This is what happens when people hear and see things out of context. It is now just happening with IHH and not American stuff.

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2012/02/21/irish-tvs-take-on-homegrown-hip-hop/

mufcboy1999 · 21-02-2012 6:54pm

Conor please stop comparing IHH to the American scene , it's pathetic.

Just accept the fact the majority of IHH is cat and move on.

Fo Real · 21-02-2012 7:21pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2012/02/21/irish-tvs-take-on-homegrown-hip-hop/

Interesting link. The general consensus seems to be that the show was a missed opportunity to showcase Ireland's real rap talent. No mention of Messiah J or Scary Eire. Instead RTE went for the comedy angle and decided to portray rappers as wasters on the dole who still live with their mother.

A few Irish rappers used to post here. What ever happened to Collie? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytSycEzKZIA
Saw him at Oxegen back in the day and thought he was alright.

2fm used to do a hip-hop show on Friday nights (called The Big Smoke iirc) to give Irish rappers some airtime. That's gone now. RTE should be helping the home grown rap scene flourish, not knocking it back.

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 7:36pm

Collie still makes music.

RTÉ showed some IHH at primetime, it wasn't the best but it was something it is other people who are not giving it a fair chance imo.

In fact a few weeks ago there was a better showcase of IHH on RTÉ also I think.

tossy · 21-02-2012 7:47pm

DRE IS SH1TTING HIMSELF...

Why is dre ****ting himself? Its not a competition there is enough hip hop to go around,so we can all do it.Your point is akin to saying a kid has no right to play football in the park because he is not as good as Messi :rolleyes:

I wasn't too impressed with last nights show to be honest.I felt most of the artists on it didn't come across too well (that could be as much bad editing as anything else)

I had the pleasure of meeting MC Lunatic a few times and always found him one of the soundest people in Irish hip hop (and thats not me saying it after the fact - RIP) but to say he was the first to come out and rap like he did and that it wasn't really 'real' before him in Dublin rap is a bit disingenuous to many many old timers of the scene.Also to portray his house as the home of Irish hip hop? come on.

The name of the show is reality bites and unfortunately reality does bite,i've been around hip hop in this country for more than 22 years and i could count on half a hand people who have made a living out of it,and all of those weren't exclusively hip hop they all realised the had to branch out,and i can't speak with 100% certainty but that living couldn't have lasted more than 5/10 years for most.

Hip hop in Ireland is very strong but it is a niche scene,something to be treated as a hobby,love or past time nothing more - I admire people like misselayneous temper mental (sp?) (probably one of those who came out best from the show) and her hunger/desire for rapping,i wish her the best but i fear she is going to find out what most of us have eventually that Irish rap does not pay - reality bites and you go get a job - move on with life.

Does that mean you knock your love for hip hop on the head? no of course not,you just put it into context in the grand scheme of things - it's a musical genre.It won't pay your ESB bill,it won't feed your kid or put petrol in your car.

In reply to people with no clue about hip hop trolling this thread for an internet argument i'll leave you with the words of Freddie foxx

"I don’t let nobody judge me that don’t know how to do what I do
So if you don’t like it then f.... you!"

VagnerLove · 21-02-2012 7:53pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

not a bad program but it made me feel a bit sorry for most of them as there's just no hope for IHH imo, it was made clear from the start of the program when it was referenced that the only IHH that has been successful was humor related, iv been saying that for ages and its not going to change imo.

agree with this, really.

I just watched the show and thought a lot of it was just a bit embarrassing. it's sad for those lads because obviously they're big into it, but Irish hip hop just doesn't feel right. it feels like something Ireland just can't do.

was laughing when the blonde girl was rapping because of the head on the woman beside her. "that was lovely it was". jesus.

also what was that lad on about his mate being a hip hop legend because he died at a similar age to biggie and pac? did I hear that right?

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 8:21pm

VagnerLove wrote: »

did I hear that right?

No, you did not hear that right. You heard some words.

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 8:24pm

Thats what I took from it. "biggie died at 24 tupac at 25 so he is up there with the greats" this is not a bang on quote but it was along them lines.

GOD TOOK HIM CAUSE HE WANTED HIM TO DO SONG WITH PAC AND BIGGIE

Hugh Cream · 21-02-2012 10:21pm

watched a small bit on the rte player earlier and seen redzer talking about hating clampers, sounded intriguing, must watch in full.

Hugh Cream · 21-02-2012 10:23pm

cloptrop wrote: »

Thats what I took from it. "biggie died at 24 tupac at 25 so he is up there with the greats" this is not a bang on quote but it was along them lines.

GOD TOOK HIM CAUSE HE WANTED HIM TO DO SONG WITH PAC AND BIGGIE

hold up, wait, explain?

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 10:27pm

Hugh Cream wrote: »

hold up, wait, explain?

He is talking nonsense.

She below for further nonsense…

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 10:27pm

Hugh Cream wrote: »

hold up, wait, explain?

Maybe he isnt dead either, maybe him pac and biggie are in mexico laughing at everyone thinking they died. Sure wasnt there clues in all their albums. Like blow up like the world trade < they predicted september 11th>
This had nothing to do with the world trade center blowing up before the song as well .

Fall_Guy · 21-02-2012 10:35pm

cloptrop wrote: »

Maybe he isnt dead either, maybe him pac and biggie are in mexico laughing at everyone thinking they died. Sure wasnt there clues in all their albums. Like blow up like the world trade < they predicted september 11th>
This had nothing to do with the world trade center blowing up before the song as well .

You are nothing short of a ****. Whatever you think about irish hip-hop, what gives you the right to take the piss out of lads showing admiration for one of their mates who died at a tragically young age?

Edit: just to be clear, the word that seems to have gotten edited out of my post is "cúnt"

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 10:40pm

Fall_Guy wrote: »

You are nothing short of a ****. Whatever you think about irish hip-hop, what gives you the right to take the piss out of lads showing admiration for one of their mates who died at a tragically young age?

Edit: just to be clear, the word that seems to have gotten edited out of my post is "cúnt"

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Your right fall guy I went a bit overboard , I was slagging the lads making out the chap was biggie because he died young and lost the run of myself a little. I did however not recognise the fact he was a young lad that died before his time. For this I apologise to any offence caused.

Boom_Bap · 21-02-2012 10:48pm

cloptrop wrote: »

Maybe he isnt dead either, maybe him pac and biggie are in mexico laughing at everyone thinking they died. Sure wasnt there clues in all their albums. Like blow up like the world trade < they predicted september 11th>
This had nothing to do with the world trade center blowing up before the song as well .

You know there have been previous attacks on the World Trade Centre?

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 10:50pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

You know there have been previous attacks on the World Trade Centre?

Yes I was refering to the conspiracy theorists that claim tupac and big are still alive or that they found out about the illuminati and were trying to warn us with their artwork , raps etc .

Boom_Bap · 21-02-2012 10:58pm

cloptrop wrote: »

Yes I was refering to the conspiracy theorists that claim tupac and big are still alive or that they found out about the illuminati and were trying to warn us with their artwork , raps etc .

This is the hip hop forum, boards.ie also has a conspiracy theory forum for that type of stuff.
It has been debated and investigated here many times now and there is not much point in going down that road again......that is unless someone has some new evidence that is going to close the cases.:D

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 11:01pm

It was meant as a joke , I apologised for it.
Why does hip hop have to be so serious?

Hugh Cream · 21-02-2012 11:33pm

lol wait, someone's dead friend was compared to PAC and biggie, based off what?

conor.hogan.2 · 21-02-2012 11:41pm

People have no respect or cop on.

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 11:41pm

Hugh Cream wrote: »

lol wait, someone's dead friend was compared to PAC and biggie, based off what?

Based on the fact they all died young , this made him a hip hop legend just like them because apparantly that is the main tick you need on the checklist to be up there with the greats.

cloptrop · 21-02-2012 11:45pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

People have no respect or cop on.

Conor you have to understand that I am in no way disrepecting this fella but comparing him with biggie was a bit silly .

smokedeels · 21-02-2012 11:52pm

It's perfectly acceptable for Irish rock bands to sound like American bands. The idea of Irish lads playing like Unwound or The Jesus Lizard sits fine with their audiences.

Rap comes with all this stigma attached. An assumption that it's music for black Americans living in inner-cities. Which is completely false.

To me, an Irish rapper is no different to an American group like Clouddead, which featured a middle-class Jewish guy.

I don't think that programme served IHH well. It showcased the people as a novelty because they're Irish and rap.

I've no knowledge of the IHH scene but I think the sooner the novelty is discarded and the groups/individuals are judged simply on their product the better for them.

That said, as a hip-hop fan I thought the acts on the show were poor from a production and lyrical standpoint.

Hugh Cream · 22-02-2012 12:50am

cloptrop wrote: »

Based on the fact they all died young , this made him a hip hop legend just like them because apparantly that is the main tick you need on the checklist to be up there with the greats.

Just watched 20 mins or so of it, embarrassing and boring, oh and pig ignorant.
Those guys who said that are actually idiots.

Hugh Cream · 22-02-2012 12:53am

smokedeels wrote: »

It's perfectly acceptable for Irish rock bands to sound like American bands. The idea of Irish lads playing like Unwound or The Jesus Lizard sits fine with their audiences.

Rap comes with all this stigma attached. An assumption that it's music for black Americans living in inner-cities. Which is completely false.

To me, an Irish rapper is no different to an American group like Clouddead, which featured a middle-class Jewish guy.

I don't think that programme served IHH well. It showcased the people as a novelty because they're Irish and rap.

I've no knowledge of the IHH scene but I think the sooner the novelty is discarded and the groups/individuals are judged simply on their product the better for them.

That said, as a hip-hop fan I thought the acts on the show were poor from a production and lyrical standpoint.

If people are relying on the guys in the show to help discard with the novelty it ain't happening, as their helping perpetuate the novelty.
All this woe be me shyt is boring, its playing on stereo types, it's more novelty than the rubber bandits.

tossy · 22-02-2012 1:00am

VagnerLove wrote: »

was laughing when the blonde girl was rapping because of the head on the woman beside her. "that was lovely it was". jesus.

No disrespect to the old lady but i think she'd have the same head on her if it was Daniel o' Donnell or Elvis singing beside her-she had no interest in being there or being on camera if you look at the unedited version of that scene on youtube you will see that,or at least that is the vibe i got from her - the expression a cow looking at thunder comes to mind.

cloptrop · 22-02-2012 1:06am

Yeah I find the fact that they take it so seriously to be the silliest part of Irish hiphop.
I think that is the reason the likes of the rubberbandits and next them lads from Carlow do so well.
Its music enjoy it . Dont get caught up in your message. Honestly nobody really cares about siyos philosophy on life in his bedroom or miselaynewhateveryou call hers idea on what it is to be poor.
Theres lads in Africa that dont have a poxy sup of water it kinda pales in signifigance to your mate going on the gear or your refusal to get a job because you want to make it as a rapper.
These lads need to realise that .
Life isnt all doom and gloom .

Camac Hibs · 22-02-2012 1:09am

It's perfectly acceptable for Irish rock bands to sound like American bands. The idea of Irish lads playing like Unwound or The Jesus Lizard sits fine with their audiences.

Rap comes with all this stigma attached. An assumption that it's music for black Americans living in inner-cities. Which is completely false.

I agree. Hip hop is a subculture which has been reinterpreted to local contexts across the globe for some time now and I reckon the only people who still believe the above have had limited exposure to hip hop music.

To me, an Irish rapper is no different to an American group like Clouddead, which featured a middle-class Jewish guy.

To me, its like any other hip hop, although if its decent, its potentially more relevant to my life than similarly decent hip hop from the states or the UK. And i would say an irish rapper from ballymun has much more in common with an american rapper from brownsville than they do with clouddead, ethnicity is irrelevant.

I've no knowledge of the IHH scene but I think the sooner the novelty is discarded and the groups/individuals are judged simply on their product the better for them.

I reckon this has been a stage that any country after the US has gone through as the hip hop scene has developed. This year is the first I can remember where an irish hip hop album has started to pick up attention beyond the hip hop scene as a non-piss take.

That said, as a hip-hop fan I thought the acts on the show were poor from a production and lyrical standpoint

To be honest cant hold anything against the people featured but the output from working class records, both lyrically and production wise, is the only irish stuff standing out at the moment.

cloptrop · 22-02-2012 1:14am

Whats the biggest selling Irish hip hop album?

lordgoat · 22-02-2012 1:28am

smokedeels wrote: »

It's perfectly acceptable for Irish rock bands to sound like American bands. The idea of Irish lads playing like Unwound or The Jesus Lizard sits fine with their audiences.

Rap comes with all this stigma attached. An assumption that it's music for black Americans living in inner-cities. Which is completely false.

To me, an Irish rapper is no different to an American group like Clouddead, which featured a middle-class Jewish guy.

I don't think that programme served IHH well. It showcased the people as a novelty because they're Irish and rap.

I've no knowledge of the IHH scene but I think the sooner the novelty is discarded and the groups/individuals are judged simply on their product the better for them.

That said, as a hip-hop fan I thought the acts on the show were poor from a production and lyrical standpoint.

I'd agree with all of this.

Also where are all the good irish hip hop acts?

Messiah J and the Expert, Lecs, Mav Sabre, even the infomatics are better than everything on that show.

lordgoat · 22-02-2012 1:43am

Camac Hibs wrote: »

This year is the first I can remember where an irish hip hop album has started to pick up attention beyond the hip hop scene as a non-piss take.

To be honest cant hold anything against the people featured but the output from working class records, both lyrically and production wise, is the only irish stuff standing out at the moment.

Nope every MJEX album had better lyrics and beats than everything on that show last night. I'm not saying every song was brilliant but i can remember decent irish hip hop albums before 2012.

Also i don't get your last paragraph at all. If you think that some of that is standing out, i give up.

conor.hogan.2 · 22-02-2012 2:49am

You liked MJEX work?

You liked it because you gave it a chance, you did not hear out of context snippets in a silly documentary on RTÉ.

Give some of the acts a listen and like all music you will find some great stuff.

Sir Gallagher · 22-02-2012 3:51am

lordgoat wrote: »

I'd agree with all of this.

Also where are all the good irish hip hop acts?

Messiah J and the Expert, Lecs, Mav Sabre, even the infomatics are better than everything on that show.

Doesn't seem to be anything Irish about that fella's style but would have been interesting to see him interviewed.

I watched the show last night knowing full well it'd be cringeworthy in parts and a bit exploitative. I like how the lads involved don't comprimise their identity and a fully aware of how they're seen but carry on anyway. There's some real talent out there but unfortunately they're just met with the whole "oh you think you're black" lark which is just ignorant and a bit bizarre. I also thought it was a shame that RTE portrayed the lads as losers and sponges rather than focusing on the work they put into songwriting, videos, organising events etc. Afterall it was supposed to be about the music not a prime time expose on lads on the scratcher.

pragmatic1 · 22-02-2012 8:15am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Years ago people completely wrote it off.

People were saying it was terrible and no other rappers would respect it. Then several people collaborated with the likes of c rayz, bleek, slaine, wordsworth and lupe.

It is growing not fading.

The same was said about UK hip hop. Irish hip hop is just very young atm.

Camac Hibs · 22-02-2012 8:29am

lordgoat wrote: »

Nope every MJEX album had better lyrics and beats than everything on that show last night. I'm not saying every song was brilliant but i can remember decent irish hip hop albums before 2012.

Also i don't get your last paragraph at all. If you think that some of that is standing out, i give up.

Have you listened to Lethal Dialect's recent album?

Fair enough if you have, if you havent you really should you might be surprised. I think its the best irish hip hop album since Infomatics Kill or Create.

Not a fan of MJEX at all, a few decent beats but not my cup of tea. Lecs the same. I cant understand why anyone feels the need to put on a foreign accent when they rap.

Shapey Fiend · 22-02-2012 11:00am

When Lunitic was compared to Biggie or Tupac I think they really meant he's the Irish equivalent. Like saying Mic Christopher is our Kurt Cobain. For what it's worth I think comparing him to Pac isn't ridiculous either. He was technically more proficient and had an extremely emotionally raw delivery. Because he was close to death for much of his life due to ill health it lent his tracks about death a very real edge. Anyway, the lads involved were very close to the thing so can't blame them for bigging him up. I don't think it's ridiculous anyway.

Don't agree with cloptrop that everything needs to be comedy. If anything we need less of that kind of thing. The guys from Carlow are super lame. It's just like bad Lonely Island. I like the Bandits but even they have come to realise that rap parody is a limited thing so they're doing new jack swing, RNB and rock songs as well.

Most of the Irish rappers of the last decade have been littering every tune they do with comedy punchlines and ironic ****. It was kind of like an appology to say "I know you're going to hate me because I'm an Irish rapper so I hope you laugh a bit and I manage to bring you onside". The likes of MJEX, Infomatics and Lethal Dialect take things a bit more seriously and I think they get a bit more credibility as a result. I think Irish rap is growing out of the comedy ****, precisely because the Rubberbandits did it so well nobody else is really going to top them.

DHennessy · 22-02-2012 12:29pm

im surprised no one has mentioned rob kelly either, his records are getting played on bbc radio all the time. hes probably the only irish rapper that is known outside of this country.
also i dont know why people make such a big deal about the accents, like was said before it doesnt matter in other genres of music so why should it in rap?
the irish accent does not suit rap music in general but if people want to use it fine but if others want to tone it down a bit and go a different route that should be fine too, if their lyrics and flow is good and overall the song sounds good it shouldnt matter what accent they have.

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