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Tekken 7 Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    I'm planning to organize stuff for T7 when it comes out, hopefully have some people stick around from the new FG hype as well.

    As of now, there hasn't really been much action for TTT2 in the last 1-2 years and some of us have moved over to SF5 completely.

    The "life/death" 50/50 mixups only really applied to Julia/Kaz (wall) Anna/Capo/Lei/Rolex (open stage) and Paul/Leo/Jun (very specific spacing from wall + situational) and certain chars with balcony/wall breaks like Leo db41, Anna's db3+4,4. You only got put into those mixups if you really messed up tbh ie guessing wrong on the ground by teching into the mixup itself, put yourself in spacing for wardrums/hellsweep splat, not backdashing away from Rolex db3, Lei db4, Paul's demoman and so on. It's not so "50/50 vortex" as it seems as you would have to messing up a lot on a previous situation to be put into that mixup scenerio. You got options to take less damage to get out of it in most cases.

    It's not too big of a deal in TTT2 tbh. The damage is still quite high in T7. I could even argue its easier to get "randomed" out in T7 than it is in TTT2 cuz you only have 1 lifebar with no tag crash available.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Not really into SFV, might give Tekken a go when its out.. ill 100% be buying it anyways, beacuse its the most fun to play with people who aren't into fighting games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Looked up a character tier list, and Gigas is at the the bottom. Doesn't bother me much as Marduk was always a lower-tier character. Just have to grind out in practice mode and learn everything there is to know about him. From watching Youtube, Knee uses him pretty effectively so I have to study his gameplay a lot more and try to adapt it into my own. It's gonna be weird not using Marduk anymore, I relied on his vts a lot to not only tackle, but to trick/confuse opponents into rushing me and countering or launching them. It was also excellent at creating space between me and my opponent, even though it got nerfed from T6 onwards. Marduk was actually a pretty good character to use if you knew what you were doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    I believe Gigas actually got Marduk's VTS stance in T7:FR. Not 100% on that but it certainly would help him a lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Ye you're right he does, just checked a movelist vid on YT. He doesn't have the back dash variant though so I'm not sure how useful it will be. They could add it in at a later date maybe who knows. I still have hopes that Marduk (minus his new shiny metal gimp suit) will be playable on the console version.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭NoviGlitzko


    Looking forward to T7! I haven't played Tekken regularly since after 10 months or that when TTT2 was released. There shouldn't be such a gap in between the games to hold myself and the gaming communities/casual players interest. Hopefully TR brings it a wider audience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    'm gonna cave in and buy a PS3 and TTT2 sometime this week. Does anyone still have any interest in playing it, or are you all waiting for T7?


  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭BigStupidGuy


    'm gonna cave in and buy a PS3 and TTT2 sometime this week. Does anyone still have any interest in playing it, or are you all waiting for T7?
    I would if I was around Dublin now, but it'll have to wait till September likely. I'll be around for T7 though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    I would if I was around Dublin now, but it'll have to wait till September likely. I'll be around for T7 though.

    I was going to wait for T7 myself, but I came across Von Doom's YT channel and saw that the Irish Tekken scene lives on and I wanted to become a part of it again.
    I quit the scene about 6 years ago when interest died out after the tournament I organized in DR. Quirkeys and no one seemed to want to play anymore.

    I'm kicking myself that I missed a few tournaments since then as I love to play in them. Has godfistedkaz (Aaron) been active in the scene at all? He was a high level Mishima player. How about Gustav (a Polish Law player), Mantys or Patrick (The Witch)? We all used to go to Jeff's (Triademans) apartment and play sessions almost on a weekly basis back in the day.

    Damn, we used to have a full roster of regular players using a wide variety of characters back in those days, is it the same now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭BigStupidGuy


    Last I was there (1.5 years ago) it was fairly good yeah. There were at lest 2-3 European level players and the other guys didn't need much work to catch up.

    As far as variety of characters goes, most of us played at least 10 or so. There was only one Hwo player though, not sure where he is now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭airmax87


    I was going to wait for T7 myself, but I came across Von Doom's YT channel and saw that the Irish Tekken scene lives on and I wanted to become a part of it again.
    I quit the scene about 6 years ago when interest died out after the tournament I organized in DR. Quirkeys and no one seemed to want to play anymore.

    I'm kicking myself that I missed a few tournaments since then as I love to play in them. Has godfistedkaz (Aaron) been active in the scene at all? He was a high level Mishima player. How about Gustav (a Polish Law player), Mantys or Patrick (The Witch)? We all used to go to Jeff's (Triademans) apartment and play sessions almost on a weekly basis back in the day.

    Damn, we used to have a full roster of regular players using a wide variety of characters back in those days, is it the same now?


    Quirkeys doesn't even have the cab anymore, just a vanilla vf5 :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Last I was there (1.5 years ago) it was fairly good yeah. There were at lest 2-3 European level players and the other guys didn't need much work to catch up.

    As far as variety of characters goes, most of us played at least 10 or so. There was only one Hwo player though, not sure where he is now.



    Good to know there are still people playing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    airmax87 wrote: »
    Quirkeys doesn't even have the cab anymore, just a vanilla vf5 :(

    Lol, that's still there? I haven't been in Quirkeys in years but that cabinet must be almost 10 years old or thereabouts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    It's fairly inactive at the moment but I have hope for a big/active scene in T7.

    Patrick is still around, not playing Tekken but he's active in other FGs. Haven't seen any of the others in TTT2 at all. Aaron made a few appearances throughout the years but never really stuck around. I've met Jeff/Triademan at Ultimate Tournament in 2014 and he's still kicking :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I think it's also safe to say that Fergus is now ranked 2nd best in Ireland after Simon Lau.


  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭BigStupidGuy


    I never met Simon actually, where did he come from anyway? Was he around in your day Domonator?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    Well I wouldn't say he's 100% better, we have traded a lot of sets in tournies and mains casual sets so it's always been really close. But it doesn't matter anymore since neither of us really play it anymore xd

    @Eoin, he's from Belfast. Unsure of his previous tekken history but he has competed in an UK tourney abroad in DR and played some T6 as far as I know.

    Definitely the best Wang and Pappi I've played ever


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    Well I wouldn't say he's 100% betteR

    ZOMG THE DISRESPECT GUS CALLING SIMON OUT FIRST TO A MILLION LESS GOOOOOOO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Scavenger XIII


    ZOMG THE DISRESPECT GUS CALLING SIMON OUT FIRST TO A MILLION LESS GOOOOOOO

    Plz stahp, it already takes them about an hour to go FT5. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭UberPrinny_Baal


    They cut my beloved Marduk :( Guess I'll be using Gigas as my main

    Just to drop some random tangents and trivia into the Tekken thread:
    I'm a big fan of portable gaming, and I really enjoyed having the 3DS port of Super Street Fighter 4 (when it was the most recent version) so that I could test stuff out in a portable fashion. Some lads might remember me testing stuff between pool matches in Cannes on my 3DS or on the bus or plane or wherever.

    In this vein, I picked up Tekken 3D Prime Edition on 3DS a while back for cheap to try and maybe get a basic grasp of Tekken games/mechanics. Unfortunately it's an awful package with almost no content, but it looks like a totally faithful port of the Tekken 6 engine with a good character roster.

    It seemed to me like the key to getting value out of it would be to only play with the characters that seemed the most likely to never be cut, and persist through all the future games. I thought that would give me a good starting ground on any future Tekkens I might want to get into.

    He might not remember this, but years ago I asked Fergus to tell me which of the Tekken 3D Prime characters he thought would be the best to main, purely from a perspective of how likely they are to be in future game rosters. I know the Mishimas are obviously not going anywhere, but I wanted a wider pool than just them to choose from.

    I noted his recommendations down on a spreadsheet, played around in Tekken 3D with them a bit and promptly forgot all about this.

    Only now, when I see you lamenting the death of Marduk was I reminded to go and add the Tekken 7 characters to the document to see how accurate Fergus was in his predictions.

    Gus%20tekken_zpslcn3djwk.png

    Hopefully the length of that doesn't destroy the forums.

    Tl;dr: Gus called Marduk's death


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Yreval


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    @Eoin, he's from Belfast. Unsure of his previous tekken history but he has competed in an UK tourney abroad in DR and played some T6 as far as I know.

    Definitely the best Wang and Pappi I've played ever

    To expand on this: back in 2008 he came 4th at Battle of Destiny - a tournament which offered a flight to Las Vegas for Evo a couple of weeks later as its first prize, attracting players from all over Europe (first and second were brothers from Poland) - right behind Ryan Hart. The Poles were unable to travel to Evo, so Ryan got the flight and went on to win Evo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    Loool Dave, I actually remember that now. That's so bizarre to look back on now. Just a wee heads up, Tekken players refer to Xiaoyu as Ling and she is indeedy in T7 as well as Law. Not too far off on my predictions :D

    Lei and Julia are my next 2 chars to be revealed.

    @Yreval, I'm guessing the brothers were Devil and MattJF. They both took me out at Lionz Den 2 in London :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    I never met Simon actually, where did he come from anyway? Was he around in your day Domonator?

    Can't say I remember him. Which characters did he use?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    I believe he used Kazuya in DR/T6 and then switched to Wang/Pappi in TTT2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Is nina too complex to pick up getting into tekken ?, I've heard so much contrasting stuff from different people over characters to get into the game with, someone told me paul and the mishimas are a good way to get into it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    airmax87 wrote: »
    Is nina too complex to pick up getting into tekken ?, I've heard so much contrasting stuff from different people over characters to get into the game with, someone told me paul and the mishimas are a good way to get into it

    You can play Nina perfectly fine, her harder stuff is purely combos but she has some decent staples without them anyway. Her SS1 cancels might be a bit weird to get down at first but they are quite important for the character.

    For beginner chars that are confirmed in T7, I would recommend Law, Dragunov, Lars, Leo, Feng, Alisa and Asuka for fundamental chars. The rest are fairly tricky and/or strays a bit away from the standard meta of tekken. Mishimas are also fundamental chars but they have a steep execution curve to get down.

    Just let me know if you have questions here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭UberPrinny_Baal


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    Loool Dave, I actually remember that now. That's so bizarre to look back on now. Just a wee heads up, Tekken players refer to Xiaoyu as Ling and she is indeedy in T7 as well as Law. Not too far off on my predictions :D

    Lei and Julia are my next 2 chars to be revealed.

    Fixed now. The Wiki page I grabbed the T7 chars off had them listed alphabetically, but by first name like weirdos, so I missed Ling, Marshall and Sergei on first pass, but I caught Sergei on second pass before posting the pic.

    Is the T7 roster not actually confirmed then? I thought it was all done and dusted and was the best Tekken ever because it has a Street Fighter character in it.

    Here is your shortlist for what you're waiting to be confirmed:

    Gus%20tekken%20shortlist_zpse3kawcvc.png

    I think from what I played on the 3DS I quite enjoyed Dragunov, Lars and Lili; but didn't play Lili much because you called her as not being in T7 :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    You can play Nina perfectly fine, her harder stuff is purely combos but she has some decent staples without them anyway. Her SS1 cancels might be a bit weird to get down at first but they are quite important for the character.

    For beginner chars that are confirmed in T7, I would recommend Law, Dragunov, Lars, Leo, Feng, Alisa and Asuka for fundamental chars. The rest are fairly tricky and/or strays a bit away from the standard meta of tekken. Mishimas are also fundamental chars but they have a steep execution curve to get down.

    Just let me know if you have questions here.


    I can remember a lot of her commands from other games, should most transfer over ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    Fixed now. The Wiki page I grabbed the T7 chars off had them listed alphabetically, but by first name like weirdos, so I missed Ling, Marshall and Sergei on first pass, but I caught Sergei on second pass before posting the pic.

    Is the T7 roster not actually confirmed then? I thought it was all done and dusted and was the best Tekken ever because it has a Street Fighter character in it.

    Here is your shortlist for what you're waiting to be confirmed:

    Gus%20tekken%20shortlist_zpse3kawcvc.png

    I think from what I played on the 3DS I quite enjoyed Dragunov, Lars and Lili; but didn't play Lili much because you called her as not being in T7 :pac:

    They're most likely adding more characters. I got my money on Lei, Julia and Lee at the moment.
    airmax87 wrote: »
    I can remember a lot of her commands from other games, should most transfer over ?

    Yep, the character's movelists change very little from one tekken to another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Macal


    Since we're on the topic, IMO here's where I'd rate the characters in T7 in terms of accessibility.

    Easy, Right Field (ie. has all the staple fundamental tools); Alisa, Feng, Josie, Katarina, Kazumi, Law, Leo, Shaheen
    Easy, Left Field (ie. has more unique tools or is missing fundamental tools); Asuka, Claudio, Jack, Lars, Lucky Chloe, Lili, Paul
    Medium, Right Field; Bryan, Dragunov, King
    Medium, Left Field; Ling, Yoshimitsu
    Hard, Right Field; Devil Jin, Heihachi, Jin, Kazuya, Nina
    Hard, Left Field; Hwoarang, Steve


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  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    I believe he used Kazuya in DR/T6 and then switched to Wang/Pappi in TTT2.

    Doesn't ring a bell. Or maybe I just can't remember as I stopped playing back in 2010.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Bought a used PS3 yesterday and downloaded TTT2 from the PS Store. I though I would start smashing it from the start, but I'm hilariously bad at Tekken now. I have to learn how to play all over again lol.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    Welcome back! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    Fergus_ wrote: »
    Welcome back! :)

    Cheers!


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    I remember back in 2009, when a tournament was being organized in the XGC for T6, that someone from Northern Ireland asked could we not put "Ireland" in the tournaments name, rather say R.O.I. instead as it implied that it was the entire country competing. Is there a rivalry between north and south?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I remember back in 2009, when a tournament was being organized in the XGC for T6, that someone from Northern Ireland asked could we not put "Ireland" in the tournaments name, rather say R.O.I. instead as it implied that it was the entire country competing. Is there a rivalry between north and south?

    First I've heard of it, and I've been doing tournaments since Soulcalibur IV (2009) :confused:

    I'd say the rivalry now is more scene/skill-based, without regards to country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    First I've heard of it, and I've been doing tournaments since Soulcalibur IV (2009) :confused:

    I'd say the rivalry now is more scene/skill-based, without regards to country.

    Sound. Can't wait to get back to playing Tekken competitively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭UberPrinny_Baal


    While I'm asking random questions and holding people to their answers:

    What character who is in Tekken3D/Tag2/7 is the most braindead easy to play and win with. Toppest tier with lowest skill requirement basically :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    While I'm asking random questions and holding people to their answers:

    What character who is in Tekken3D/Tag2/7 is the most braindead easy to play and win with. Toppest tier with lowest skill requirement basically :pac:

    I wouldn't pay too much attention to tiers, every character is good if you play them the right way. Here's Knee using Gigas: (a lower tier character) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBfYMG8PauY

    It depends on your play style, are you fast and have good technical skills? Then maybe a Mishima character. I myself was never fast enough to use the Mishimas effectively so I chose Marduk and King as my mains. The only thing I can say is to try every character, see which one you like and and grind it out in practice mode to learn all the moves, juggles, frames and safe moves.

    Here's a tier list for Tekken 7: http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2015/6/16/tekken-7-nobi-shous-tier-lists-karei-vs-kagemaru-match-video.html it may be outdated at this point. Also, study the best players in the world's matches on Youtube, you can learn a lot from them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    I'm just curious, how many people use Controllers or sticks to play? I've always used controllers to play but I would like to try my hand at a stick. I'm finding the pad too limited when it comes to movement. Which stick brands would you recommend? I can't buy one until Tekken 7 gets released because I don't know if the game is getting released for PC, which will save me having to buy a PS4.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭UberPrinny_Baal


    I wouldn't pay too much attention to tiers, every character is good if you play them the right way. Here's Knee using Gigas: (a lower tier character) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBfYMG8PauY

    It depends on your play style, are you fast and have good technical skills? Then maybe a Mishima character. I myself was never fast enough to use the Mishimas effectively so I chose Marduk and King as my mains. The only thing I can say is to try every character, see which one you like and and grind it out in practice mode to learn all the moves, juggles, frames and safe moves.

    Here's a tier list for Tekken 7, it may be outdated at this point. Also, study the best players in the world's matches on Youtube, you can learn a lot from them.

    My question was partially a joke.

    I already knew everything you just wrote. I'm not new to fighting games. Thanks for linking the tier list though (I like that Dragonuv is good).

    That said, I don't play Tekken, own a copy of a main series Tekken game or even really like Tekken. I won't grind in practice mode, do any research, learn any moves or expend any mental effort in this endevour whatsoever.

    So with all that in mind: Who's the best/easiest character if you're awful at the game and might just end up playing T7 at a friend's house one day?

    Edit: The universal rule of fighting games is to use whatever you're comfortable with. If you're used to pad you might find the jump to stick initially very difficult, but eventually wonder how you ever managed without it (like myself).

    If you are based near one of the cities that have regular casuals, your best bet is to arrange to come on the same day as some Tekken stick players. Anyone would be willing to let you try out their stick to see if you like it before dropping cash money on your own one.

    There is a topic for buying/selling fightsticks on this forum here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    My question was partially a joke.

    I already knew everything you just wrote. I'm not new to fighting games. Thanks for linking the tier list though (I like that Dragonuv is good).

    That said, I don't play Tekken, own a copy of a main series Tekken game or even really like Tekken. I won't grind in practice mode, do any research, learn any moves or expend any mental effort in this endevour whatsoever.

    So with all that in mind: Who's the best/easiest character if you're awful at the game and might just end up playing T7 at a friend's house one day?

    Edit: The universal rule of fighting games is to use whatever you're comfortable with. If you're used to pad you might find the jump to stick initially very difficult, but eventually wonder how you ever managed without it (like myself).

    If you are based near one of the cities that have regular casuals, your best bet is to arrange to come on the same day as some Tekken stick players. Anyone would be willing to let you try out their stick to see if you like it before dropping cash money on your own one.

    There is a topic for buying/selling fightsticks on this forum here.

    Cheers for that link. In my experience, new players have had a good bit of craic with characters such as: Law, Eddy Gordo/Christie, King, Steve and maybe Hwoarang. They all have easy moves that are spammable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I'm just curious, how many people use Controllers or sticks to play? I've always used controllers to play but I would like to try my hand at a stick. I'm finding the pad too limited when it comes to movement. Which stick brands would you recommend? I can't buy one until Tekken 7 gets released because I don't know if the game is getting released for PC, which will save me having to buy a PS4.

    As much as I love stick, for some reason (muscle memory?) I think PS1/PS2 pad is superior to stick for Tekken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    While I'm asking random questions and holding people to their answers:

    What character who is in Tekken3D/Tag2/7 is the most braindead easy to play and win with. Toppest tier with lowest skill requirement basically :pac:

    TTT2 - Bob

    T7 - Shaheen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    As much as I love stick, for some reason (muscle memory?) I think PS1/PS2 pad is superior to stick for Tekken.

    What about DS3/4? I can't decide between this which I prefer more for Tekken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Macal


    What about DS3/4? I can't decide between this which I prefer more for Tekken.

    The main problem I've had with DS3 is that the square and triangle buttons are quite far apart to consistently press simultaneously with my thumb, making 1+2 attacks in Tekken a bit dodgy in clutch situations. I used a MCZ SF X T pad for that very reason. DS4 buttons are together more closely though, basing that on getting EX punch moves consistently in SF V.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Fergus_


    If you play claw style like I do on pad, pressing 2 buttons at once is fine.

    Especially once you get used to button buffering, ie holding down 1 and pressing 2 and it will register as 1+2. Very useful if there's a sequence of buttons that allows you to do it such as Asuka's 2,1,1+2. I can just do 2, then press 1 and hold it then press 2 again for 1+2 ender.

    Although there are some moves in the game that you can't button buffer during combos because it's a standalone move like Lars' DE 1+2 as it must be done out of F3 stance.

    I feel its easier to press simultaneous buttons on stick though. Especially when you're trying to break 1+2 grabs in the heat of the moment and you get 1,2 or 2,1 on pad. One of my biggest annoyances atm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Macal wrote: »
    The main problem I've had with DS3 is that the square and triangle buttons are quite far apart to consistently press simultaneously with my thumb, making 1+2 attacks in Tekken a bit dodgy in clutch situations. I used a MCZ SF X T had for that very reason. DS4 buttons are together more closely though, basing that on getting EX punch moves consistently in SF V.

    For T5/6 on DS3 I bound L1 to 1+2 for this reason. R1 to 2+4. I've always done this... seemed kind of mandatory for playing on a pad... or more so using the only advantage it has which is shoulder buttons and the like for custom controls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    I used to use a PS2 pad with a converter for Tekken back in the day. There's just something about the PS3 pads L2 & R2 buttons, I never liked them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Gamespot had an article up earlier on stating that Tekken will be a PS4 exclusive, they have since taken it down, so either they jumped the gun or got the wrong information.


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