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Views of Pornography?

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  • #252
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Eramen wrote: »
    It's not addictive.

    But you said porn is addictive.
    How can I distinguish apart pixels if they are not coloured?


  • #253
    dazzler454
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭dazzler454


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Who'd boast about staying home at night watching porn?:S

    Just to ask a quick question. Through the grapevine I always thought "hardcore" was just showing genitalia?
    N, in fact wikepadia define 'hardcore' as the explicit and perverse concentration on genetilia involved in,oftentimes, outlandish and aggressive forms of intercourse'


  • #254
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    Priests aren't allowed to have sex so by holy Jesus let no-one else be enjoying it either.

    Which may come down to cognitive dissonance ie , discrepancy between beliefs and behaviors.

    People who enjoy sex don't gave a flying fcuk about what some priest thinks anyway .


  • #255
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    dazzler454 wrote: »
    I would have to agree, these statements are of a non-factual basis and are completely opinionated. What you actually are doing is making a relitively simple habit a complex, intricate problem which it is quite clearly not. Over analysis of such acts is foolish

    It's a reasonable question to ask considering how pervasive pornography has become as to what impact it has on us and on our sexuality.

    While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far. URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82264021&postcount=49"]1[/URL URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82276366&postcount=189"]2[/URL

    It's entirely common sense to think of what impact that pornography has on how we think about other human beings. It's also entirely common sense to think about what ethical impact pornography has both on us and on those around us. Moreover, it is important to think about the ethics behind the industry itself considering human trafficking and sexual abuse. Are pornography users complicit in this?


  • #256
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Eramen wrote: »
    It's not addictive.

    I am addicted to fcukin tea, I cant get enough of it!
    It makes me do crazy sh!t like eat fig rolls.


  • #257
    Eve_Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Who'd boast about staying home at night watching porn?:S

    Just to ask a quick question. Through the grapevine I always thought "hardcore" was just showing genitalia?

    People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.


  • #258
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.

    I know people who'll say it jokingly or self-effacingly. Reading 50 Shades of Grey on the other hand is something to tell everyone you're friends with on Facebook about.


  • #259
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.
    My view of porn is something that can be a useful ( no pun intended ) tool in the enjoyment of sex with a view to with a experimentation with partner ... or solo but would never equate it with sexual liberation . It's sometimes more realistic ( and fun) to fantasies about a sexual situation with the check out girl at Asda as to imagine oneself with some Bimbo acting out a part on xxx.com.Just as you have sex addicts you also have some addicted to pornography .


  • #260
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    orestes wrote: »
    No, it's nonsense that contains no grounding in fact. None. At all.

    If you don't accept that chronic or excessive use of porn leads to Dopamine release which then leads to Delta-FosB buildups in the brain, causing the user to have cravings for more of whatever stimulant they use (including porn), then you're making things up as you go along.

    This is the very basis of addiction, not just porn but all forms of addiction. Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to sugary foods, alcohol or cigarettes also? It really highlights yours bias in regards to porn.

    Addiction exists, and this is exactly the way it exists. Porn addiction, just as sex addiction or any other, is quite real.


  • #261
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Eramen wrote: »
    Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to surgery foods, alcohol or cigarettes also?

    I do not Sir. Even though I know someone that ate a placenta once...just the once mind...


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  • #262
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    philologos wrote: »

    It's a reasonable question to ask considering how pervasive pornography has become as to what impact it has on us and on our sexuality.

    While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far. URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82264021&postcount=49"]1[/URL URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82276366&postcount=189"]2[/URL

    It's entirely common sense to think of what impact that pornography has on how we think about other human beings. It's also entirely common sense to think about what ethical impact pornography has both on us and on those around us.

    Nobody is giving your posts any time because they are nonsense viewpoints from you who is passing off *your* own views of how "enslaving" and detrimental porn is to sexuality as a whole and making it out to be a fact that applies to EVERYONE. That's not actually the case.
    Moreover, it is important to think about the ethics behind the industry itself considering human trafficking and sexual abuse. Are pornography users complicit in this?
    Again, please give me the evidence to back this up that as a whole, pornography promotes human trafficking and sexual abuse.

    You keep playing out that those who make a career in the porn industry to be victims. That is your view of it and just shows up how *you* feel about it, you're not speaking for the majority here like you might thing.

    I also happened to have met a male pornstar and he enjoyed what he did and it was something exciting for him to do. He wasn't a victim of anything and it was entirely of his own choice to enter the porn industry. It was only a part time thing and a laugh, he has no regrets, embarrassment or qualms about it, and fair play to him not to care, I certainly wouldn't treat him differently or victimise/criticise or judge him or what he has done.

    It's people like you that continuously tar the porn industry as sleazy, negative and abusive without having *any* real insight into it, and whatever one you have, it is heavily biased with strong opinions presented as fact and clutching straws to give your argument some credence.


    I can't speak for everyone but that is why I didn't care to engage in an in-depth discussion with you.


  • #263
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Birroc wrote: »
    I do not Sir. Even though I know someone that ate a placenta once...just the once mind...

    :eek::D


  • #264
    Eve_Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    Latchy wrote: »
    My view of porn is something that can be a useful ( no pun intended ) tool in the enjoyment of sex with a view to with a experimentation with partner ... or solo but would never equate it with sexual liberation . It's sometimes more realistic ( and fun) to fantasies about a sexual situation with the check out girl at Asda as to imagine oneself with some Bimbo acting out a part on xxx.com.

    To be honest and this is not an anti-porn rant as such but I used to have a deadly imagination for all things dirty. I didn't have access to porn but my imagination always did the trick. I could conjure up scenarios in my mind with little effort. Now I do have access. If I want a twiddle, I tend to stick something on. It's made me quite lazy with regards to exploring what I as an individual find sexy. Basically porn has done the hard work for me (that I actually enjoyed anyway and didn't need to be replaced) and I've become a passive consumer. I don't look at it regularly as I live with a man (wink) but even still, I find my imagination on this front has become less active. I don't find playing out a scene in my mind as fun as what I used to think up myself.

    I can't imagine what it's like for someone who uses it regularly.


  • #265
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    To be honest and this is not an anti-porn rant as such but I used to have a deadly imagination for all things dirty. I didn't have access to porn but my imagination always did the trick. I could conjure up scenarios in my mind with little effort. Now I do have access. If I want a twiddle, I tend to stick something on. It's made me quite lazy with regards to exploring what I as an individual find sexy. Basically porn has done the hard work for me (that I actually enjoyed anyway and didn't need to be replaced) and I've become a passive consumer. I don't look at it regularly as I live with a man (wink) but even still, I find my imagination on this front has become less active. I don't find playing out a scene in my mind as fun as what I used to think up myself.

    I can't imagine what it's like for someone who uses it regularly.
    For sure ...exploring sexual scenarios with ones own imagination is very erotic and natural thought procession can lead to great satisfactions . Continuous viewing of Porn as a substitute can take that away simply as you say because it's instant , it's there and it's to easy ...so much can be less .


  • #266
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    1ZRed wrote: »
    .......

    It's people like you that continuously tar the porn industry as sleazy, negative and abusive without having *any* real insight into it..



    You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.. that much is clear.







    Ex pornstar Shelley Lubben Testifies at California State Capitol. That's some serious sh*t




  • #267
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Eramen wrote: »
    If you don't accept that chronic or excessive use of porn leads to Dopamine release which then leads to Delta-FosB buildups in the brain, causing the user to have cravings for more of whatever stimulant they use (including porn), then you're making things up as you go along.

    This is the very basis of addiction, not just porn but all forms of addiction. Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to sugary foods, alcohol or cigarettes also? It really highlights yours bias in regards to porn.

    Addiction exists, and this is exactly the way it exists. Porn addiction, just as sex addiction or any other, is quite real.

    Yes, porn addiction exists. Extrapolating that simple fact to the frankly insane conclusions being passed off here as scientific conclusions is bullshit though.


  • #268
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eramen wrote: »
    You have absolutely NO IDEA of what you're talking about.. that much is clear.




    Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.


  • #269
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.



    Wtf are you on about? :confused:

    Where is excuse making going to get us in all honesty?


  • #270
    dazzler454
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭dazzler454


    Personally I think this thread has gone far to deep into such a shallow subject. As I have previously said , over analysis of subjects of this kind is a waste of time. Whatever about hormones and pituitary glands, Pornography is what it is an the fact that there is such a heated debate going on about the science an physcology about it all gives me a fine insight into the people in this thread


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  • #271
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    dazzler454 wrote: »
    Personally I think this thread has gone far to deep into such a shallow subject. As I have previously said , over analysis of subjects of this kind is a waste of time. Whatever about hormones and pituitary glands, Pornography is what it is an the fact that there is such a heated debate going on about the science an physcology about it all gives me a fine insight into the people in this thread

    Yeah, psychology, sociology and moral philosophy, who needs 'em? Sure what have the social sciences ever done for anybody? Why bother analysing stuff when we can just get our opinions from The Sun?

    Thank you for clearing up a few thousand years of speculative and scientific progress so concisely.


  • #272
    dazzler454
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭dazzler454


    orestes wrote: »

    Yeah, psychology, sociology and moral philosophy, who needs 'em? Sure what have the social sciences ever done for anybody? Why bother analysing stuff when we can just get our opinions from The Sun?

    Thank you for clearing up a few thousand years of speculative and scientific progress so concisely.
    Oh no analyse away with relevant things but Pornography? Really


  • #273
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    I don't think its as misogynistic as a lot of people claim. If a man likes to spank his girlfriend on the bottom or cum on her face, does that make him a misogynist? He may have gotten the idea from porn, but if the girl is happy to go along with it, then there's no problem.
    I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.


  • #274
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    dazzler454 wrote: »
    Oh no analyse away with relevant things but Pornography? Really

    Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.
    Madam_X wrote: »
    I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.

    Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.


  • #275
    dazzler454
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭dazzler454


    orestes wrote: »
    Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.



    Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.

    fair enough, I can see the interest point in that sense


  • #276
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    orestes wrote: »
    Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.



    Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.

    lets ask the Japanese :pac:


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  • #277
    Ihatecuddles-old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭Ihatecuddles-old


    This thread is making me feel bad about watching so much porn.

    I have to say, my friends think I'm nuts! They can't fathom why a girl would watch porn...


  • #278
    BOHtox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    Pornography is often frowned upon, but that's only because I'm concentrating!


  • #279
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well that's gonna be the Boards private messaging system out of action for a while.


  • #280
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Ihatecuddles wrote: »
    This thread is making me feel bad about watching so much porn.

    I have to say, my friends think I'm nuts! They can't fathom why a girl would watch porn...

    stress relief ;)


  • #281
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.
    That's a horrible comment about sexual abuse by the by. If there are cases both of this and of human trafficking in the pornography industry then to a certain degree you are complicit in watching it.

    There are a whole can of ethical issues being ignored by posters here.


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  • #282
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    philologos wrote: »
    While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far.

    False. I dealt at GREAT LENGTH with the points you raised and you entirely ignored them. Despite replying just after one of them claiming you would deal with them later.

    I am not sure where you get off entirely ignoring whole swaths of replies to your nonsense and then claiming it is us ignoring you! Do you even believe your OWN posts half the time?

    You have at least 5 if not more posts on this thread moaning that people are ignoring your points but when we address them you ignore the replies.

    Look for example at post #53. I responded to your post at GREAT LENGTH and at the end of it I said that "Bet you do not reply though.". Not two minutes later you responded to it saying "I'll give a response when I'm back on a computer this evening".

    Did you?

    No.

    Instead you pretend we are ignoring you.

    You really are a ticket.


  • #283
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    nozzferrahhtoo has given philologos an almighty kicking this year on many threads.


  • #284
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea - it has been a joy to watch hasn't it.


  • #285
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    It's been a bloodbath. It's not even the topics at hand, it's the approach to them that drives me mad. Same for Eramen. No scientific evidence, huge blanket statements, black and white thinking.

    I'm not taking the mick here but it's a worrying kind of thinking, often associated with personal issues. I honestly think the guys should look inwards before spewing their rhetoric on the rest of us i.e. the ones of us who don't think we can save the world, don't think we're 100% correct on everything, who know what science actually is, who have flaws, and who don't rain fire and condescention down on the lowly masses.

    If you have the solution to complex issues, and can sum it up on boards, you have got jack ****.


  • #286
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Madam_X wrote: »
    I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.

    How extreme are we talking here... bondage, beastiality? The really extreme stuff is probably only a small percentage of the overall porn industry. I would imagine most people just enjoy a bit of normal porn, whatever that is. Although something that's extreme to one person may be normal to another.


  • #287
    big_joe_joyce
    Site Banned Posts: 107 ✭✭big_joe_joyce


    i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

    not religous either


  • #288
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    big_joe_joyce wrote: »
    i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

    not religous either

    You're going to have to come up with a better reason than "I never feel good about having done so afterwards" for your assertion of porn being a negative force to have any weight. I feel ill if I eat licorice, that doesn't make it evil.


  • #289
    Caveman1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    big_joe_joyce wrote: »
    i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

    not religous either

    Thats because its over :D


  • #290
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    RossFixxxed wrote: »
    It's been a bloodbath. It's not even the topics at hand, it's the approach to them that drives me mad. Same for Eramen. No scientific evidence, huge blanket statements, black and white thinking.

    I'm not taking the mick here but it's a worrying kind of thinking, often associated with personal issues. I honestly think the guys should look inwards before spewing their rhetoric on the rest of us i.e. the ones of us who don't think we can save the world, don't think we're 100% correct on everything, who know what science actually is, who have flaws, and who don't rain fire and condescention down on the lowly masses.

    If you have the solution to complex issues, and can sum it up on boards, you have got jack ****.

    It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people, what impact does it have for those who are actually involved in the industry, how should we understand lusting after another person (and getting physical gratification from it) in the context of a marriage or a relationship.

    These are all entirely valid questions to ask.

    One can even see that even softer magazines like Zoo, Nuts, FHM and so on have misogynistic overtones in respect to women. I genuinely think to believe that watching hours of pornography won't affect your view towards other people, and won't affect your presuppositions and views in respect to sexuality is naiive. Moreover to assume that human trafficking in pornography is not a problem is naiive considering that agencies such as the Serious Organised Crime Agency in the UK regard it as such.

    I don't think I'm 100% correct, or perfect by a long shot. I can fall into the same traps as anyone else. I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

    On a personal level, my life is far far better without the stuff. I want nothing to do with it or what it encourages.


  • #291
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    philologos wrote: »
    I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

    What philosophy does pulp fiction, the Expendables, and the walking dead communicate to us?


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  • #292
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    After reading some of the sex tips from cosmo you could argue that that magazine has mysandric, and rather violent undertones. The last two are the funniest.


  • #293
    The_Thing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Porn - or anything else for that matter - causing high blood pressure and heart attacks in radical feminists and their cellulite-encrusted supporters is fine with me.


  • #294
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    mikom wrote: »
    What philosophy does pulp fiction, the Expendables, and the walking dead communicate to us?

    Be weary of men in gimp suits, the dead and 80s movie stars. :D


  • #295
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    After reading some of the sex tips from cosmo you could argue that that magazine has mysandric, and rather violent undertones. The last two are the funniest.

    cosmo is a sick sick fcuking magazine if they published that :pac:


  • #296
    big_joe_joyce
    Site Banned Posts: 107 ✭✭big_joe_joyce


    orestes wrote: »
    You're going to have to come up with a better reason than "I never feel good about having done so afterwards" for your assertion of porn being a negative force to have any weight. I feel ill if I eat licorice, that doesn't make it evil.

    can only speak for myself , if others think its a possitve or neutral thing , fine


  • #297
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    philologos wrote: »
    It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people

    Asking the question is valid indeed. Throwing out answers and acting like they are fact however is not.

    Much of your opinion on how it affects how we view others is seemingly based on a patronizing and arrogant assumption that everyone in the world except you has no ability to suspend their disbelief in fiction.

    We watch James Bond movies and many more without seeing everyone as expendable extras in our life designed only to allow us to kill them in suave and cool ways for example. We do this because we know it is fiction.

    The same is true of porn. People watch it and they know this is not reality. If they can not distinguish between fiction and reality then porn is not the problem. Their psychological state is. And removing porn from the lives of people suffering from such deficiencies is not curing any problems. It is just shifting them elsewhere.
    big_joe_joyce wrote: »
    i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

    Sounds like Mcdonalds to me :)


  • #298
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    philologos wrote: »
    It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people, what impact does it have for those who are actually involved in the industry, how should we understand lusting after another person (and getting physical gratification from it) in the context of a marriage or a relationship.

    These are all entirely valid questions to ask.

    One can even see that even softer magazines like Zoo, Nuts, FHM and so on have misogynistic overtones in respect to women. I genuinely think to believe that watching hours of pornography won't affect your view towards other people, and won't affect your presuppositions and views in respect to sexuality is naiive. Moreover to assume that human trafficking in pornography is not a problem is naiive considering that agencies such as the Serious Organised Crime Agency in the UK regard it as such.

    I don't think I'm 100% correct, or perfect by a long shot. I can fall into the same traps as anyone else. I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

    On a personal level, my life is far far better without the stuff. I want nothing to do with it or what it encourages.

    If your life is better without it, that's great you've made the right decision for yourself.

    I've yet to see any reason outside of your own subjective experience why it is so bad, in a blanket way. There is some horrific things out there on the internet, and in pornography. I have seen things that have stuck with me 10 years later.

    However, the same goes for sweat shop manufactured clothes, mass produced foods and so on also. It's not right and it needs to be fixed in a bad way.

    I don't, however, feel that the entire thing is bad for everyone. I think people need to look at themselves, and their relationship with it and make and educated choice. I object when blanket statements are made without any backing to support it.

    I don't drink personally. I can provide scientific proof that misuse of alcohol is bad for you, so I have a backed up claim that drinking too much is terrible for you. However, I don't think that all drinking is bad, and that it should be banned or obsessively abstained from. It ain't for me, but many enjoy the odd beer.


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