Bog defeats Shell drilling machine.

Cookie_Monster · 02-08-2012 12:46am

irish-stew wrote: »

Could she just not drill her self out?

:pac:

no, no drill up stupid.

K-9 · 02-08-2012 12:46am

later12 wrote: »

It's possible that they are paid by Shell I think. I know the Gardai who work inside the gates at concerts are paid by concert organisers.

I don't have a great amount of sympathy with the Shell to Sea protesters, but I must admit I did enjoy this story. Something about the idea of mother nature being on the side of the underdog, perhaps.

It's a bit like England and football clubs, the clubs pay for police presence that shouldn't really be necessary.

vicwatson · 02-08-2012 12:48am

@pcworldisajoke

Been like that since the inception of the state and its time for reform.

K-9 · 02-08-2012 12:49am

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

'Dear world, we're upping our percentage of the Shell deal because it's ours, and the previous deal means the Irish people don't get anything for whatever reason. If a country standing up for what is fair, and demonstrating the intelligence to broker a fair deal is not what you're looking for, then f*ck off somewhere else"

I guarantee not ONE company would decide to not invest here if we changed the deal and made it fair.

You personally guarantee it?

the_syco · 02-08-2012 1:05am

Fenian Army wrote: »

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

I'm guessing this happened due to the nutters @ S2S.

pcworldisajoke · 02-08-2012 1:35am

K-9 wrote: »

You personally guarantee it?

don't be daft. That goes for the two muppets that thanked you for that post more than you. I mean, what kind of a f*cking gobsh*te says thanks for something so meaningless (probably the same kind of muppet that says thanks to shell for bribing some Irish politicians and stealing our natural resources). I pity the fools.

K-9 · 02-08-2012 1:52am

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

don't be daft. That goes for the two muppets that thanked you for that post more than you. I mean, what kind of a f*cking gobsh*te says thanks for something so meaningless (probably the same kind of muppet that says thanks to shell for bribing some Irish politicians and stealing our natural resources). I pity the fools.

So what do you base us taking over our resources on?

Shell to Sea, Kinsale and an Independent newspapers company?

I mean why would you trust O'Reilly, the multi-national company with a track record of exaggerating Irelands resources? Why believe O'Reilly now, who Shell to Sea railed against for their agenda before??

K-9 · 02-08-2012 1:56am

Why would Shell to Sea swallow O'Reilly's agenda? O'Reilly needs hyped up values of Irish resources. Independent Newspapers provide the hyped up values and Shell to Sea and others swallow them.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, my mind would be racing!

Where To · 02-08-2012 2:01am

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

K-9 wrote: »

You personally guarantee it?

don't be daft. That goes for the two muppets that thanked you for that post more than you. I mean, what kind of a f*cking gobsh*te says thanks for something so meaningless (probably the same kind of muppet that says thanks to shell for bribing some Irish politicians and stealing our natural resources). I pity the fools.

Can I be Waldorf?

I like him more than Statler.

Oh, almost forgot.
I support any company that creates jobs and investment.

pcworldisajoke · 02-08-2012 2:08am

K-9 wrote: »

Why would Shell to Sea swallow O'Reilly's agenda? O'Reilly needs hyped up values of Irish resources. Independent Newspapers provide the hyped up values and Shell to Sea and others swallow them.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, my mind would be racing!

I don't really care about o Reilly dude.

it's black and white;

They're our resources, Shell should get a fair amount for investing in the field and we should get a fair amount also. As it is, we get nothing, and it's simply corruption and political inaction due to various motives, that we haven't renegotiated this deal.

Take all the rest of the boll0x out of it, and you're left with that concise notion. Fair is fair. And it's not like we don't need the money.

I really couldn't see any right thinking international commentator (ft, the economist etc.) omitting the simple fact that we were getting nothing from this deal from a strangely struck agreement many years ago. Some might even say it's about time we stood up for ourselves. Either way, no international investor and jobs bringer would look down on what would be an intelligent and forward thinking move for the country, whether they say so publicly or not. Everyone knows how shell are raping us. We're a laughing stock behind boardroom doors i reckon. Old paddy, what a fool.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 02-08-2012 2:27am

Sharrow wrote: »

It's still stuck
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0731/shell-lorry-blocking-co-mayo-crossroads.html#article

They are widening the road to try and get it moving again.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4393245067629

That was a grand film,

So, do we watch it again and then call him or call him first ?

Ah sure, we'll watch it again :pac:

artyeva · 02-08-2012 3:15am

hardly 'in' the bog. here's a crappy photo of it as of 9pm tonight - best i could do hanging out the window of the car as we passed with an IRMS security guy waving the camera away...

and as i understand the plan was for the crane that arrived at around 6pm today to lift the front section of the trailer, so the cab could be freed and moved forward/out of the road. the crane would then pull the trailer forward and round the corner, they'd re-attach the cab and be on their merry way down to the aughoose site. the whole 'rescue' is now technically 'contracted' out to roadbridge - roebridge - rowbridge? someone else can google how to spell that :rolleyes:

only problem is the crane arrived on scene unaccompanied by any lead vehicles or anything so a protester was able to block the road with his van and another one climbed on top of the crane. they then sent a teleporter out from the terminal site to try and get up to the roof of the crane cab and get yer man down. but... not learning from past mistakes.... this was also sent down the road unaccompanied... we were stuck behind it on the way home. the gardai were out in front, standing round.... and... well, just watching while a protester casually walked up to it and climbed on top of it. that was around 10pm and he didn't look as if he had any intention of coming down. :P

the security guys around the trucks are much happier today - this canteen trailer arrived last night

these guys didn't seem to like the rain though

edit - gaaaah!!! how do i embed the images now that the little insert image thingy is gone - i used these tags [IMG][/IMG]...?

Toby Take a Bow · 02-08-2012 9:54am

Where To wrote: »

I support any company that creates jobs and investment.

Any company? Regardless of what they produce or how they produce it?

hatrickpatrick · 02-08-2012 1:08pm

F*ck Shell. Absolutely despise this vile "company" in every possible way, and a lot of it has nothing to do with S2S (I despised them long before any of thie Corrib crap started). Anything which makes life difficult for them is to be celebrated in my view.

I'm not normally one to adopt "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" but I'll make a rare exception for shell. Hope they rot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/2726278/Huntingdon-protesters-target-Shell.html

We can debate about the ethics of animal testing all you like, but one thing I'm sure everyone will agree with is that if animals must be tested, they should be treated humanely whilst in captivity and held in sanitary conditions. The behavior of that Huntington place is beyond vile, and anyone who pours money into such a company is morally bankrupt.

asherbassad · 02-08-2012 2:40pm

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

I don't really care about o Reilly dude.

it's black and white;

They're our resources, Shell should get a fair amount for investing in the field and we should get a fair amount also. As it is, we get nothing, and it's simply corruption and political inaction due to various motives, that we haven't renegotiated this deal.

Take all the rest of the boll0x out of it, and you're left with that concise notion. Fair is fair. And it's not like we don't need the money.

I really couldn't see any right thinking international commentator (ft, the economist etc.) omitting the simple fact that we were getting nothing from this deal from a strangely struck agreement many years ago. Some might even say it's about time we stood up for ourselves. Either way, no international investor and jobs bringer would look down on what would be an intelligent and forward thinking move for the country, whether they say so publicly or not. Everyone knows how shell are raping us. We're a laughing stock behind boardroom doors i reckon. Old paddy, what a fool.

What choice do we have? Look at what happens to countries who evict foreign multinationals and harvest their own national resources:

Iraq
Iran
Libya
Venezuela
Bolivia
Guatamala

They are either attacked, destroyed and occupied or that threat is constantly looming. Think it wouldn't happen?

JupiterKid · 02-08-2012 3:22pm

asherbassad wrote: »

What choice do we have? Look at what happens to countries who evict foreign multinationals and harvest their own national resources:

Iraq
Iran
Libya
Venezuela
Bolivia
Guatamala

They are either attacked, destroyed and occupied or that threat is constantly looming. Think it wouldn't happen?

Erm - you're forgetting Norway who adopted this model 40 years ago when they began extracting their huge North Sea oil reserves with great success.

pcworldisajoke · 02-08-2012 5:38pm

asherbassad wrote: »

What choice do we have? Look at what happens to countries who evict foreign multinationals and harvest their own national resources:

Iraq
Iran
Libya
Venezuela
Bolivia
Guatamala

They are either attacked, destroyed and occupied or that threat is constantly looming. Think it wouldn't happen?

we wouldnt be evicting anyone, we'd be renegotiating a fair deal.

And Chavez is doing pretty well fair play to him in Venezuela. The US won't use nukes on him, and the military he has built up means theyll think more than twice about f*cking with him.

As i said though,im just talking about our politicians growing some balls and doing what , internationally, will be only be viewed as reasonable, despite the public face some bought and sold politicians and media in other countries may put on it publicly.

Nobody, anywhere could realistically have a valid argument about us demanding a better deal.

But it wont happen, and im afraid the only reason I can think of that our current crop wont do anything about it, is because a) theyve been bought and sold and had a nice lump put in an offshore numbered account, or

because they dont want to jeopardise the juicy consulting positions they might get after they help the rape of the country and the people- similar to what bertie got with the Swiss consortium after silencing the Coillte resources reports and taking them out of the Freedom of information act's remit.

We live in a disgusting fetid cesspool.

johngalway · 02-08-2012 6:33pm

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

And Chavez is doing pretty well fair play to him in Venezuela.

We live in a disgusting fetid cesspool.

We're not keeping you here if it's so bad.

CptSternn · 02-08-2012 8:08pm

asherbassad wrote: »

What choice do we have? Look at what happens to countries who evict foreign multinationals and harvest their own national resources:

Iraq
Iran
Libya
Venezuela
Bolivia
Guatamala

They are either attacked, destroyed and occupied or that threat is constantly looming. Think it wouldn't happen?

What happened here in Ireland happened in Norway and Russia. Shell made deals for areas which they claimed had no viability. A few years later thanks to 'technological advanced' the areas Shell bought turned out to be fields of natural resources.

Both the governments of Norway and Russia then stepped in and told them they had to renegotiate, else they would be booted from the country. Neither Norway nor Russia have yet to be invaded.

dissed doc · 02-08-2012 8:18pm

up for anything wrote: »

I dislike the thought of private enterprise paying the Gardaí to do security even more than I would dislike the bill coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Do they have their full garda super powers when engaged privately or do they become common or garden security?

What's the problem?

Public security policing is a mess as everyone knows, so it's private sector efficiency that we are now getting.

Toby Take a Bow · 02-08-2012 9:38pm

dissed doc wrote: »

What's the problem?

Public security policing is a mess as everyone knows, so it's private sector efficiency that we are now getting.

Can you think of a major private sector 'efficiency' debacle that occured recently?

Maybe one involving the largest private security company in the world?

end of the road · 02-08-2012 9:55pm

dissed doc wrote: »

What's the problem?

Public security policing is a mess as everyone knows, so it's private sector efficiency that we are now getting.

meh

saiint · 02-08-2012 10:36pm

that video makes the guards look badass

except they have no guns

ira would of been the better choice for escort

Pottler · 02-08-2012 10:38pm

Anyway, sigh, is this yoke out yet, or is it on it's way down to aus?

artyeva · 03-08-2012 2:45am

not out yet!! they're now waiting for a bigger crane to come from belfast, a 250 tonne one. but... transporting that thing from belfast will mean getting permissions and permits from all the councils on the way... and i can't see it being able to get over the bridge to the lorry. they have loads of stone in trucks all loaded and ready and waiting within the terminal site in case they need to build a platform for the crane in the field beside the lorry... but they'd still need to get a CPO or something from that landowner. it's all a joke at this stage. anyway - some of the locals were told today not to expect it to be gone until at least tuesday of next week... :rolleyes:

sparksfly · 03-08-2012 10:44am

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

we wouldnt be evicting anyone, we'd be renegotiating a fair deal.

And Chavez is doing pretty well fair play to him in Venezuela. The US won't use nukes on him, and the military he has built up means theyll think more than twice about f*cking with him.

As i said though,im just talking about our politicians growing some balls and doing what , internationally, will be only be viewed as reasonable, despite the public face some bought and sold politicians and media in other countries may put on it publicly.

Nobody, anywhere could realistically have a valid argument about us demanding a better deal.

But it wont happen, and im afraid the only reason I can think of that our current crop wont do anything about it, is because a) theyve been bought and sold and had a nice lump put in an offshore numbered account, or because they dont want to jeopardise the juicy consulting positions they might get after they help the rape of the country and the people- similar to what bertie got with the Swiss consortium after silencing the Coillte resources reports and taking them out of the Freedom of information act's remit.

We live in a disgusting fetid cesspool.

Absolutely, when you have corrupt, greedy and immoral politicians allowed to do as they please with our few native resources for God knows what rewards, lining their pockets with obscene salaries and pensions and their rotten deals being stupidly backed up by large numbers of the (screwed) general public, were not going to change.

Nobody is saying that we can explore for and extract our own gas and oil (if oil reserves exist). We can certainly cut a much better deal however with Shell and the likes.

We could (but we wont) look at well governed countries, like Norway, and see how they handle their resources and learn.

And this thing of you being told in the next post that if you dont agree with our government's policy of corruption that you dont have to stay here, that says it all.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-08-2012 11:39am

Completely off topic

New penalty points tonight for
Driver of car or goods vehicle not wearing safety belt

and

Using vehicle - (a) whose weight un-laden exceeds maximum permitted weight, (b) whose weight laden exceeds maximum permitted weight, or (c)any part of which transmits to ground greater weight than maximum permitted weight

:pac:

Cienciano · 03-08-2012 11:42am

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

we wouldnt be evicting anyone, we'd be renegotiating a fair deal.

I'm sure shell would agree to re-nenegotiate after they found oil. That makes sense, let them spend all the money looking for oil, when they find some tell them the piss off, they're not getting any!
Doesn't work like that.

CptSternn wrote: »

What happened here in Ireland happened in Norway and Russia. Shell made deals for areas which they claimed had no viability. A few years later thanks to 'technological advanced' the areas Shell bought turned out to be fields of natural resources.

Both the governments of Norway and Russia then stepped in and told them they had to renegotiate, else they would be booted from the country. Neither Norway nor Russia have yet to be invaded.

We're doing exactly what norway did. Encourage companys to explore, if it turns out we have lots of oil and gas, start charging a fortune or do it ourselves. Unfortunately, norway have far far more than us in far easier to get to places.
In fact, would people stop comparing us to poxy norway! There's no comparison at all

Wetbench4 · 03-08-2012 12:10pm

Anyone else misread the title? I thought it said " Dog defeats Shell drilling machine"

Im a bit disappointed now:(

fishy fishy · 03-08-2012 2:50pm

I feel sorry for that community in Mayo - their little village and lives torn apart by some yahoo's in dublin. You have to feel for them.

SocSocPol · 03-08-2012 9:48pm

Sharrow wrote: »

Shipped into the country last night was a Shell drilling machine which weighs 160 ton. It arrived in Dublin had a Garda escort all the way to Mayo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NSFNaKh4e8

Where it jackknifed on the road and is now sinking into the Bog. And there's no cranes in the country which can lift it out. :pac:

Happy days, OP was premature , truck is now moved and load on its way to do vitally important work!
Fantastic news, congratulations to the Shell team, and their logistics and security staff.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jack-knifed-corrib-gas-truck-moved-561786.html

Pottler · 03-08-2012 10:01pm

SocSocPol wrote: »

Happy days, OP was premature , truck is now moved and load on its way to do vitally important work!
Fantastic news, congratulations to the Shell team, and their logistics and security staff.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jack-knifed-corrib-gas-truck-moved-561786.html

That's Great News! That is you Lucinda Creighton, isn't it? This^ reads a bit like a corporate Press release, btw, but all spins good spin eh.

"I'm spinning around, move outta my way, da de da de da da".. Gotta love a bit of Kylie. Bit Boring though, no pun intended, well, a bit intended.

Slig · 03-08-2012 10:26pm

Is that a Garda 4x4 with a horse box involved in the escort? are they that short of vehicles that they are bringing the nag along aswell?
I assume The Gardai are there primarily to sort out the traffic problems associated with moving an oversize load across the country and not to act as security.

Pottler · 03-08-2012 10:29pm

Slig wrote: »

Is that a Garda 4x4 with a horse box involved in the escort? are they that short of vehicles that they are bringing the nag along aswell?
I assume The Gardai are there primarily to sort out the traffic problems associated with moving an oversize load across the country and not to act as security.

Nope, the horse is dragged along in case a mounted baton charge is called for. Everyone knows crusties are terrified of horses. Just how impressive a 1 horse baton charge would be remains to be seen, but this is a bit of a one horse country tbf.

TheChizler · 03-08-2012 10:43pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

I feel sorry for that community in Mayo - their little village and lives torn apart by some yahoo's in dublin. You have to feel for them.

In fairness the construction crews and disruption would be out of the way a lot sooner if they weren't constantly blocked. Do the protesters consider the locals who don't support their cause? Their lives are made much worse by delays and disruptions caused by protesters. I appreciate the importance of protest in general, but at this stage it's clear that the project IS going to be completed, there's no point denying that. Any further protests are just driving up costs/reducing profits for the state and inconveniencing locals.

Pottler · 03-08-2012 10:50pm

TheChizler wrote: »

In fairness the construction crews and disruption would be out of the way a lot sooner if they weren't constantly blocked. Do the protesters consider the locals who don't support their cause? Their lives are made much worse by delays and disruptions caused by protesters. I appreciate the importance of protest in general, but at this stage it's clear that the project IS going to be completed, there's no point denying that. Any further protests are just driving up costs/reducing profits for the state and inconveniencing locals.

Usually, I'd disagree, but I sort of agree. I drove down the N11 the other day, through the Glen of the Downs(?)where all the protests were when it was being modified etc. It looks very well at the moment, no tree shortages to be seen anyway, all looking green and leafy. Swampy mate, what were you shiteing on about again?

Dempsey · 04-08-2012 12:04am

seamus wrote: »

If you didn't have a big camp of foreign crusties threatening to incite violence and vandalism, the Garda presence wouldn't be necessary.

Don't complain about the Gardai, complain about the scumbags - they're the reason the Gardai are there.

In any case, I actually can't see any Gardai in the main image on the site...

The Gardai are there to stop the thing from stripped and scrapped for money!! :pac:

carlmwan · 04-08-2012 12:13am

why dont they use more than one crane?????????????
Also why the **** do they get all that security

pcworldisajoke · 04-08-2012 8:12pm

carlmwan wrote: »

why dont they use more than one crane?????????????
Also why the **** do they get all that security

because big oil owns the decision makers in our government. They owned them back in the day this dal was struck, and they own them now. The method of ownership is one of three things.

1. A large large lump in a numbered account

2. The promise of a nice consulting position in one of their many satellite companies after they f*ck over the Irish people some more ( similar to what Bertie got after he quelled the freedom of information act on Coillte whwhile in government, made the resources privy to his eyes only, and then went and worked for a swiss consortium that tried to buy it at the end of last year). These people we elect are, in the majority, self interested bribeable scum - there's no other explanation for the rubbish we see in this country. scum

Shryke · 04-08-2012 8:40pm

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

because big oil owns the decision makers in our government. They owned them back in the day this dal was struck, and they own them now. The method of ownership is one of three things.

1. A large large lump in a numbered account

2. The promise of a nice consulting position in one of their many satellite companies after they f*ck over the Irish people some more ( similar to what Bertie got after he quelled the freedom of information act on Coillte whwhile in government, made the resources privy to his eyes only, and then went and worked for a swiss consortium that tried to buy it at the end of last year). These people we elect are, in the majority, self interested bribeable scum - there's no other explanation for the rubbish we see in this country. scum

Is this true and if so has there been any serious journalistic pursuit into it?

westendgirlie · 04-08-2012 8:51pm

My dad made a good point about this today. One nobody else has yet mentioned....

Why did the ship that carried all this heavy stuff dock in Dublin? Why wasn't it shipped as far as the west coast?

afatbollix · 04-08-2012 8:55pm

No deep port on the west. Kilybegs has a deep sea port but Killybegs has worse roads to Mayo than Dublin

pcworldisajoke · 09-08-2012 12:10am

Shryke wrote: »

Is this true and if so has there been any serious journalistic pursuit into it?

look up woodland league

and some info here.
http://fisnua.com/?p=442

You couldn't make it up.

And regarding our journos, i have little faith in most of them. Possibly because their bosses are all telling them exactly what to write depending on which politicians theyve bought.

the_barfly1 · 09-08-2012 1:45am

TheChizler wrote: »

In fairness the construction crews and disruption would be out of the way a lot sooner if they weren't constantly blocked. Do the protesters consider the locals who don't support their cause? Their lives are made much worse by delays and disruptions caused by protesters. I appreciate the importance of protest in general, but at this stage it's clear that the project IS going to be completed, there's no point denying that. Any further protests are just driving up costs/reducing profits for the state and inconveniencing locals.

I'm sure none of the local businesses/landlords etc are complaining. Sure as long as the crusties keep holding up the work the longer all of those workers will need to stay in b&b's/apartments/flats, buy groceries, go for pints, fill up with petrol, diesel etc in Co. Mayo rather than wherever they're from themselves.
In a kind of fecked up way, the Crusties are actually HELPING the local economy by disrupting the work!

Johro · 09-08-2012 2:12am

Hardonraging wrote: »

Be grand hey, just hook her up to the tractor and we'll pull her out....

Anyone got a winch?
Or a 'wench'. In Wexford anyway. :pac:

Daisy M · 09-08-2012 10:46pm

the_barfly1 wrote: »

I'm sure none of the local businesses/landlords etc are complaining. Sure as long as the crusties keep holding up the work the longer all of those workers will need to stay in b&b's/apartments/flats, buy groceries, go for pints, fill up with petrol, diesel etc in Co. Mayo rather than wherever they're from themselves.
In a kind of fecked up way, the Crusties are actually HELPING the local economy by disrupting the work!

They probably are not complaining because they are not going to be living right adjacent to the pipe line. Who here could hand on heart say they would be comfortable living as close to the pipeline as a number of houses are expected to. Just because it only effects a small number of people doesnt make it any the less unjust.

SocSocPol · 10-08-2012 1:05pm

Daisy M wrote: »

They probably are not complaining because they are not going to be living right adjacent to the pipe line. Who here could hand on heart say they would be comfortable living as close to the pipeline as a number of houses are expected to. Just because it only effects a small number of people doesnt make it any the less unjust.

Thousands of people already live beside gas piplines that run from Kinsale up to the border and from the gas interconnector which comes ashore at Gormonston in Co.Meath. It's never been an issue.

mayotom · 10-08-2012 4:23pm

SocSocPol wrote: »

Thousands of people already live beside gas piplines that run from Kinsale up to the border and from the gas interconnector which comes ashore at Gormonston in Co.Meath. It's never been an issue.

That is a totally different situation, those gas lines carry processed/refined gas which is relatively stable.
While the Corrib gas line is carrying unprocessed and very unstable gas to the refinery. something which has never been done anywhere in the world, the gas is normally refined at sea. This is the big issue that most residents have. A lot of people are in favor with bringing the gas into the area, but just not the method that is been used. Litterally a not in my back yard situation, but with genuine concern, think of all the times that hundreds of people have been killed by explosions on oil lines in Nigeria, that has been due to attacks on the pipelines, but is shows how dangerous things are when things go wrong. The Corrib pipeline was originally going through dozens of people's back yards. Could you sleep knowing that that timebomb was in your garden

mayotom · 10-08-2012 4:35pm

TheChizler wrote: »

In fairness the construction crews and disruption would be out of the way a lot sooner if they weren't constantly blocked. Do the protesters consider the locals who don't support their cause? Their lives are made much worse by delays and disruptions caused by protesters. I appreciate the importance of protest in general, but at this stage it's clear that the project IS going to be completed, there's no point denying that. Any further protests are just driving up costs/reducing profits for the state and inconveniencing locals.

That's the biggest shame of all, Thanks to Ray Burke and Bertie Ahern, The Irish state will receive ZERO royalties on corrib gas and most of the other gas and oil finds that have been discovered off our coast in recent years. That along with favourable taxation for oil companies (berties legacy)on all international income these companies bring little or nothing to Ireland. Just millions in costs to police the whole thing.
In most of the world the minimum that any state receives on natural resources is 20% but quiet often upto 50% this would have gone a long way to reducing our sovereign debt, but once again the people have been screwed

end of the road · 10-08-2012 4:55pm

mayotom wrote: »

Thanks to Ray Burke and Bertie Ahern the people have been screwed

just sayin

Bog defeats Shell drilling machine.

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