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  • 11-04-2014 10:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭


    Hi I've been thinking it'd be nice to have a thread where simple questions that people don't want to create a thread for, could go. Or any chat related to detailing.

    I've a question. If I've put a wax on, then a sealant. Then after a few weeks or w/e I'm thinking the shine isn't what it was. (After washing obviously) Can I apply wax on top of whatever sealant and wax is left from the first time, or do I have to remove the remaining sealant + wax first?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    You best ask the mods before starting a chat thread, they need rules and stuff… PM one of them and see what they say.:)


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    'Today I did' seems to be a jack of all trades thread. General Q+A mixed in with a few "look what I did" posts.

    I've learned more from that thread than anywhere else, about detailing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    Yeah but for the question I had for example, I didn't really want to post it there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    OP in response to your question....

    Is the reason you are asking the question because you have applied a sealant, then wax, then washed it, and its not as shiny as you had hoped?

    The reason could be two fold here.
    Sealants are applied first, then waxes (if you are choosing to apply both, its not necessary to do so)
    The products used arent a good combo - by that, I mean they arent designed to be used together, so they may not work together. As a rule of thumb, its best to stick with products from the same manufacturer when layering on the paintwork. So its best to use a sealant and wax from the same manufacturer. They are designed to bond well together. If you mix product manufacturers they arent designed to specifically work together and as a result the sealant might hinder the bonding of the wax applied afterwards.
    Its for this reason that sometimes people hear great things about certain products and when they use it themselves they think its rubbish, but that could be partly down to the preparation or process they've used.

    There is no problem in topping up protection at a later date; however it shouldnt really be necessary. What is easier is if you feel that the shine isnt what it used to be, is to have a spray sealant / quick detailer type product. Wash the car, dry it, spray this product on and buff it off. Boosts shine and protection. But again, choosing which one to buy is sometimes restricted by the product you applied on the car initially. There are certain ones available which will bond to almost any product.

    Another thing to consider is the preparation of the paintwork - did you clay the car when you applied the products first?
    Going forward its probably best to get some life out of the wax / sealant you have applied. After a few weeks, wash it down with an APC, clay it and re-apply; sealant first, then the wax (assuming they'll work together)

    If you let me know what you have, I'll tell you if they'll work. And if you tell me the colour of your car, I'll tell you which would be best on its own if they dont work well together.

    Hope this helps! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    For some reason I was thinking you apply wax first, then sealant on top of it as the sealant was the more durable.

    By wax I was refering to autoglym super resin polish, which isn't really a wax. And by sealant autoglym extra gloss protection.

    I was and am fairly happy with the shine of the car. I applied one layer of srp and 3 of egp. But am thinking I could have applied a few layers of the srp.

    I'm now wondering could I apply a layer or 2 of the srp on top of what's on there(followed by another layer of egp). Or would I have to remove everything again. Or I suppose I could try an actual wax on top of what's on there now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Yeah; SRP isnt a wax its a polish. It contains fillers to help hide swirls. SRP and EGP are designed to work well together.

    EGP would be more durable applied directly to the paintwork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    Could you apply collinite 845 for example on top of what's on there now?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    You could, but I wouldn't be able to say that it would work well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    nd wrote: »
    Could you apply collinite 845 for example on top of what's on there now?!

    Clay your car
    Apply 2 coats of Collinite 845.
    Stand back and smile :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    After putting it off for ages I've finally ordered some :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    nd wrote: »
    After putting it off for ages I've finally ordered some :)

    You wont regret it.
    I know it lasts ages but no harm in a quick top up every month or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Hi where is a good place to get the collinite or something similar as I have no sealant.

    I have done the Wash, de tar, wash, clay and wash taking wheels off and fully cleaned inside out and then used turtle wax ice wax and found the results amazing but looking for that bit extra to make the car stand out and look the job.

    Any other tips as it's been 6 months since I done all that and have put a lot of mileage up and have been unable to wash as much as I use to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    I'll give a +1 to 2 coats of Collinite 845 after a claying. I'm going to be topping up my coat of it with OAC perfection for the foreseeable future. 2 excellent products that I missed until now :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    Hi where is a good place to get the collinite or something similar as I have no sealant.

    I have done the Wash, de tar, wash, clay and wash taking wheels off and fully cleaned inside out and then used turtle wax ice wax and found the results amazing but looking for that bit extra to make the car stand out and look the job.

    Any other tips as it's been 6 months since I done all that and have put a lot of mileage up and have been unable to wash as much as I use to.

    I've ordered it off here

    http://www.detailingshed.com/waxes/243-collinite-845-liquid-insulator-wax.html

    which Curran the poster in this thread runs/owns I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    I'm planning to try it on top of my autoglym stuff I've already applied. No harm in trying or would you all recommend not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,965 ✭✭✭Liamalone


    I have a slight dent in the bodywork, will this magical Collinite 845 sort it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    nope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Liamalone wrote: »
    I have a slight dent in the bodywork, will this magical Collinite 845 sort it?

    Nope
    It would certainly show it up more though so as it would be easier to find LOL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Hey guys, I hope this isn't against the charter - if it is, please delete - but I figured this would be of most interest to this forum. I have a €100 voucher for Spirit Detailing (recommended on this very forum) that I unfortunately won't get to use before it expires (25th June). I'm letting it go on Adverts if anyone is interested. I won't post the link, but you can either search for it or fire me a PM and I'll send a link in reply. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭mad m


    Any recommendations on keeping a new car coat nice and shiny. Will Collinite 845 be the dogs? Also what's good for keeping alloys sealed. Want to keep them handy to clean for future.

    Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    mad m wrote: »
    Any recommendations on keeping a new car coat nice and shiny. Will Collinite 845 be the dogs? Also what's good for keeping alloys sealed. Want to keep them handy to clean for future.

    Thanks.

    Use the 845 on the paint and on the wheels.:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    So when drying your car. Do you all basically just do the bonnet and roof, or the whole lot? if the lot. On the sides, what exactly do you do? On the bonnet and roof I've been just putting the towel down and pulling it across.

    And how dry do you get your car? Just that the majority of the water is gone or actually dry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Firstly you should be using a plush microfibre drying towel.
    Provided the car is cleaned very well if should be OK to wipe, but to limit swirling as much as possible its recommended to pat the surface.
    All paintwork to be dried as best as possible, but a minimum of no beads, streaks or runs of water. You'll get a damp finish that will dry out with leaving any water staining. Some people get the car reasonably dry and follow up with a quick detailer spray. Spray on, buff off to ensure the perfect finish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Curran wrote: »
    . Some people get the car reasonably dry and follow up with a quick detailer spray. Spray on, buff off to ensure the perfect finish.

    And then follow up with a LSP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Mc Love wrote: »
    And then follow up with a LSP?

    No, that was just the drying technique assuming you already have a LSP applied and its just a regular wash & dry.

    LSP is Last Stage Protection for anyone not in the know - Wax / Sealant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Using a quick detailer before applying an LSP will reduce the efficiency and bonding properties of the LSP due to the quick detailer adding a layer in between the paint and the LSP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    What would be the best way to tackle this scratch on my bootlid? Would a DA be needed or is there a product that can be applied by hand that would improve it?


    IMAG0253_zpsca136d16.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Do you mean improve it permanently by hand? Wont really be possible. A hand polish will improve the appearance due to fillers but will eventually wash out and back to square one. The very fine marks might be improved slightly by hand, but overall not a huge difference will be made. DA Im afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    Ok cool. Cheers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Yep, that's certainly a D/A job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Right, the cars service isn't due until July, so it won't be done until then, but I want to get it detailed at the same time (the garage offer a valeting service). Anyway, what would ye expect to be covered in a full Valet to the value of around €100. I know that places can differ, but I'm sure that there are certain things that would be definitely covered. I have a fair idea myself, but I just want to see what ye think!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Washed well
    Hand polished and protected - ask them what they'll use to protect it...if its something like Autoglym Super Resin Polish; thats not protection.
    Wheels cleaned well
    Tyre dressing
    Interior vacuumed, including dash/plastics wiped/dusted down
    Glass cleaned

    There's a certain standard you'd expect, but you cant expect perfection either....thats what a Detailer will try to achieve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Probably going into detailing territory here, but would a wet vac of the seats be included at all. The grubby seats are one of the major things that I have a problem with inside!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    You might have to pay extra, but a good valet should have a wet vac.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Alright, cheers man, if I was closer to you, I'd be going to you!


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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Speaking of wet-vacs. How do these boyos work and are they only the 'bees knees' on fabric seats? (ie; can you use it elsewhere on the car?).

    Can't quite picture what a 'wet vac' is in my head. Are there any worrth while alternatives to a wet-vac?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭nd


    It basically squirts water out and hoovers it up, washing what you are using it on.

    I suppose you could use it on the the roof lining, boot liner ect.

    This'd be a heavy duty one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMAmhGrxR8&feature=player_detailpage#t=90


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭BillJ


    Richard tipper is really good to follow on Twitter for anyone interested, details some really exotic and nice cars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Chimaera


    Speaking of wet-vacs. How do these boyos work and are they only the 'bees knees' on fabric seats? (ie; can you use it elsewhere on the car?).

    Can't quite picture what a 'wet vac' is in my head. Are there any worrth while alternatives to a wet-vac?

    A wet vacuum cleaner is just a vacuum cleaner that can handle liquids as well as dry material. Very useful thing to have around the house IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭randy hickey


    Yes, it's a bugbear of mine, confusing wet vacs with spray extraction machines.

    As Chimaera says, a wetvac is a fairly basic device that will suck up liquid - you can pick one up for about €50.

    A spray extraction machine injects a chemical into the upholstery/carpet that you are cleaning and sucks it back out almost instantaneously - giving a deep washing action.These will cost you about €300.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Being a bit cheeky here lads but I have a Karcher steam cleaner that I'm looking to sell. It's just not getting as much use as I had anticipated.

    It's THIS ONE and I'll let it go for €100 o/n/o + P & P!


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭DMW22


    Just want to revive this thread as I want to ask about some products.

    I was looking at the Chemical guys polishing pads. Could someone explain the difference between the white, orange and black pads?

    Also what would you recommend to blacken exterior trim?

    Also what would you recommend to polish a chrome/stainless exhaust tip?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    I was looking at the Chemical guys polishing pads. Could someone explain the difference between the white, orange and black pads?

    CGpad.jpg

    Also what would you recommend to blacken exterior trim?

    There are lots of options out there, but to be honest there are only a few worth considering, for your own sanity - plenty out there that will look reasonably well, but its a pain to do frequently as most arent durable. The best ones will give at least a few months protection / darkening.
    gtechniq C4 - expensive for the little you get, but for good reason, its amazing stuff
    Wolf's Chemicals - Blackout
    CarPro - Perl wouldnt be too bad either

    There are options to use a heat gun to rejuvenate the plastics, and not recommend as its quite easy to burn or warp the plastics - ideal as a quick fix on a cheap run around or a work van for example - not on your pride and joy!!

    Also what would you recommend to polish a chrome/stainless exhaust tip?
    Depending on how bad - light contamination, it would be sufficient to use metal polish and a microfibre cloth. Heavy contamination, might require steel wool (Fine Grade - 0000) and metal polish, and finish with metal polish and a microfibre
    Plenty of decent metal polishes out there; Meguiar's NXT Metal Polysh, Britemax do a good one, Chemical Guys, Brasso even....most ranges will have a metal polish and most are decent enough!


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭DMW22


    Thanks Curran,
    So do you give the car a going over with say an orange pad and then buff off and go over it again with a black finishing pad?

    http://www.detailingshed.com/polish/212-chemical-guys-hex-logic-orange-light-cutting-hand-applicator-pad.html
    http://www.detailingshed.com/polish/211-chemical-guys-hex-logic-black-polishing-hand-applicator-pad.html

    The tips are in a bad way so looks like it will be the wool and polish

    EDEED0C7-E922-4FB1-8F50-987483E748AF_zpskcfqics0.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Ahhh those are the hand applicator ...I thought you meant the machine polishing pads...yeah; essentially thats it. The orange will make less work of the surface oxidation over the black, but to be honest; your car seems new enough...so wont be any advantage having those applicators over a regular one.

    Tips definitely look like they need steel wool! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Gordy6040


    I have an old clio I use as a run around.
    I recently gave it a good wash (tbm) did a de iron and a polish. There are a few scrapes along the doors that are to deep to be polished out.
    It's the a product that would make it easy for a beginner to fix? Also. The head lights are really worn looking, any tips fpr refurbing them. ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Tip for the headlights is toothpaste, water and a cloth, should take the dull cloudy look away. Just be careful when taking the glass off, sometimes the seal can be extra strong and you could easily crack or smash them in doing so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    looking some advice, i gave my car a good going over about 4 months, ago, snow foamed, detarred, deironed, 2bm, clayed polished and wax etc, the car still beads to this day however what is best to bring it back, would washing and polishing it again only remove the layer of wax? would i be best to power was 2bm and use quick detailer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Polish goes on before wax so applying polish over wax is like putting your boxers on over your pants.

    You'll still have the protection underneath the layer of polish but the whole thing is a waste of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    Polish goes on before wax so applying polish over wax is like putting your boxers on over your pants.

    You'll still have the protection underneath the layer of polish but the whole thing is a waste of time.

    so what would be best as i dont feel car needs the full works again yet, would 2bm and quick detailer be best, the point i was trying to put forward since car is waxed and mostly still protected polishing would only strip the wax already applied would it not?


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