Regular tourney discussion - Who's going and what happened?

Glowingmind · 22-09-2007 5:41pm

Says in the sticky that it's 3k + 3k with 30 min blinds starting at 25/25 which sounds really good. Will mostly be flipping some coins in a little bit to see whether it's the SE or CHLs tonight.

ITT-Pat · 22-09-2007 5:49pm

yeah but i'm not sure if the charter is right. i was there 3 or 4 weeks ago and it was 20 mins. just wonderin if its changed yet....... MickL, Oscar?? anyone????

digiman · 22-09-2007 5:52pm

ITT-Pat wrote:

Anyone know the length of the blind levels in the Saturday DC in Lukes??

Does this get many numbers?
Does it start on time?

ITT-Pat · 22-09-2007 6:02pm

digiman wrote:

Does this get many numbers?
Does it start on time?

it started at 9 and got bout 30 runners but this was like 4 weeks ago and i think it was the 1st time it was held, thats why i'm hopin the blind levels are longer now......

MickL · 22-09-2007 6:20pm

ITT-Pat wrote:

it started at 9 and got bout 30 runners but this was like 4 weeks ago and i think it was the 1st time it was held, thats why i'm hopin the blind levels are longer now......

aint worked a saturday since the first week but i will mentionj it to luke as they were ment to be changed i shal be in playing later also

The_Chopper · 24-09-2007 10:49am

Who's playing SE 100FO tonight?

Last longer anyone?

bottom feeder · 24-09-2007 1:51pm

Ricky im in there dude, yeah i'll go 5 yo yo's if you want....lol
ahhhh go on then the usual 20 for last longest, im sure we'll get some more dead money by the end of the day....:D

The_Chopper · 24-09-2007 2:51pm

bottom feeder wrote:

Ricky im in there dude, yeah i'll go 5 yo yo's if you want....lol
ahhhh go on then the usual 20 for last longest, im sure we'll get some more dead money by the end of the day....:D

Cool - I'm looking for the customary "bluffing off of chips to me"

AKQJ10 · 24-09-2007 7:36pm

im in, joss ronson is also looking to make a comeback, 10er to any boardsie who knocks him out

Flushdraw · 24-09-2007 7:41pm

AKQJ10 wrote:

im in, joss ronson is also looking to make a comeback, 10er to any boardsie who knocks him out

Thats too good to miss...I'm gonna skive of work an hour early and get in there just after 9. I'm in for the 20 last longest and i'll be taking that bounty Mark...i need the money!

bottom feeder · 24-09-2007 7:45pm

Come on lads anyone else in for the last longest..... nice little bonus..;)

AKQJ10 · 24-09-2007 7:50pm

in for last longest too

Ace2007 · 24-09-2007 7:58pm

AKQJ10 wrote:

in for last longest too

you'll be gone before flushdraw gets there...

Flushdraw · 24-09-2007 7:58pm

Ace2007 wrote:

you'll be gone before flushdraw gets there...

LOL

The_Chopper · 24-09-2007 8:01pm

Just point out who I have to knock out - we'll collect last longer before it starts?

AKQJ10 · 24-09-2007 8:07pm

Ace2007 wrote:

you'll be gone before flushdraw gets there...

u wont even turn up.

Ace2007 · 24-09-2007 8:12pm

i might go in - but its a maybe - around 20% chance of u seeing me there.... for u own sake you won't want me there.... u might call a push with 10 8

AKQJ10 · 24-09-2007 8:13pm

did this again in the grudge match, again was up against top set! sucked out this time.

Flushdraw · 25-09-2007 3:58am

AKQJ10 wrote:

in for last longest too

Myself and Mark split this. I only managed a paltry 4th. Off to bed, up for work in 2 and a half hours, bad beat..

El Stuntman · 25-09-2007 10:59am

anyone playing the sat to the SE1000 game tonight?

AKQJ10 · 25-09-2007 1:03pm

Flushdraw wrote:

Myself and Mark split this. I only managed a paltry 4th. Off to bed, up for work in 2 and a half hours, bad beat..

Yeah this was well needed when i got knocked out in tenth to a four flush all in pre flop with AK vs KQ. Felt i played well last night and if i could only have have won that pot could have gone on for a good finish.

El Stuntman,

What is the structure, buyin for the satellite, how many runners etc.

Goodluck2me · 25-09-2007 1:40pm

El Stuntman wrote:

anyone playing the sat to the SE1000 game tonight?

structure?

El Stuntman · 25-09-2007 1:42pm

goodluck2me wrote:

structure?

what the sat, or the 1k?

the 1k is a 3-dayer starting Nov 23rd, that's all I know

guess the sat is the usual - it's a 100+100

AKQJ10 · 25-09-2007 5:58pm

im playing the scalps game in luke's

Goodluck2me · 25-09-2007 6:07pm

i wont be playing the 100+100 event i would imagine, 200 is a bit steep to only win 1000.
Lukes is a good game if it could get over 50 numbers it would be great.

thechamp87 · 25-09-2007 6:08pm

im in for lukes as well

Ace2007 · 25-09-2007 6:26pm

i won't be donating tonight - but for anyone who hasn't played lukes' - its a good tourney...

AKQJ10 · 25-09-2007 6:41pm

chummmmmmmmmmm..........p

Ace2007 · 25-09-2007 6:47pm

AKQJ10 wrote:

chummmmmmmmmmm..........p

what?

AKQJ10 · 25-09-2007 7:03pm

champ87 = chump

Ace2007 · 25-09-2007 7:04pm

o right...

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 2:53am

Had 72,000 chips of the 168.000 in play 5 handed, and lose 3 pots and im out in 5th. Average was 33,400, nearest to me was Theresa on 36000. Karl_PPP raises UTG to 4,000, i call with TT, theresa shoves all in for the 3rd/4th time against me and showed KQ the first time, and nothing the second, i call for a Race and she has JJ. I know she has a tendency to overplay any pair so i figure ive got the odds to do it. range is 66+ KQ,AJ+.
Left with 28,000 i shove UTG with AQo and Macspower calls all in with KTs for 14000, and he turns a King, my rivered Queen was no help...
Then Shove A5 on the button and Karl-H calls with AK, i flop a 5 and he turns a flush...
The JJ v TT hand is very tight but id say its a call, although im really not sure.
The champ, Theresa KArl_H and Macs still in, in that chip order.

AKQJ10 · 26-09-2007 6:18am

unlucky joe, went around to jackpot after to try win my buy in back, me adam and conor doyle managed to break the game within an hr. pretty sweet. why dont you post ur explanation for your call against me

thechamp87 · 26-09-2007 6:40am

finished 3rd in the end. A4 v theresa's AJ aipf. no miracle 4... theresa and Karl h still playing when i left with marc.
joe's blow up was definately on a par with AKQJ10's in drogheda.

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 9:19am

thechamp87 wrote:

joe's blow up was definately on a par with AKQJ10's in drogheda.

there`s a difference between a blowup and getting consecutively unlucky whilst playing well. i think that distinction should be made. I dont think i did a whole lot wrong and would play them all pretty similarly again, maybe with the exception of the TT althought i still think its pretty close.
I dont play to cash,i was playing FTW and sometimes it doesnt work out that way.

AKQJT wrote:

why dont you post ur explanation for your call against me

Hand 0: 50.801% { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 49.199% { random }

you could literally push ATC there, you got it in with 34h and 58c alredy that night to therefore as i know this i am happy to take the wrong side of a coinflip if i am wrong. im in a lecture now but i will post a more detailed explanation later.

this might be closer though.
Hand 0: 46.629% { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 53.371% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o, 43o, 32o }
I know that taking you out would have implied value as the others players were likely to be less aggressive, and that i was much more likely to be successsful with my raises therefore compensating me for the slight lack in current equity.
I made it 2400, there was 900 on blinds out there and you shoved for 13400. so its 11,000 to me to win 16700. 1.51:1, and im only a 1.12:1 to your range. therefore a profitable call. I can afford up to the wrong side of a 60:40 with the call, which i didnt need.

Hand 0: 48.163% { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 51.837% { A4o }

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 10:04am

thechamp87 wrote:

joe's blow up was definately on a par with AKQJ10's in drogheda.

No, it really isn't. Think about this for a while. Run over the two events in your head. Done that? Still think that?

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 10:33am

LuckyLloyd wrote:

No, it really isn't. Think about this for a while. Run over the two events in your head. Done that? Still think that?

thank you.

Lloyd what do you think of my thoughts/reasoning for the above hand?

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 10:43am

goodluck2me wrote:

Lloyd what do you think of my thoughts/reasoning for the above hand?

Firstly, it looks as if you opened the pot to 2400 at 300 / 600 with 8d9d. Don't do that. Be raising to 1500 - 1800 with your entire range. If you open for 1500, it's not going to change the ranges that people decide to fold, call or raise with much. But it makes it less profitable for Mark to stick it in here.

As for the call, I see the maths. We know Mark's ranges are wide. I still don't like it though.

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 11:06am

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Firstly, it looks as if you opened the pot to 2400 at 300 / 600 with 8d9d. Don't do that. Be raising to 1500 - 1800 with your entire range. If you open for 1500, it's not going to change the ranges that people decide to fold, call or raise with much. But it makes it less profitable for Mark to stick it in here.

As for the call, I see the maths. We know Mark's ranges are wide. I still don't like it though.

I know i opened for 4BB but i tend to vary between that at random and 3BB, never really any less, as you have minimal FE af <3BB i think. I had also raised the hand previous to this and won the blinds with AK, so im sure Mark was happy to believe i was opening with a big range, which to be fair was correct this time, but i hadnt shown down a losing hand all night until this point i believe.

I dont mind that you dislike it but we both know that you have to run really well to win a tournament anyway and i was happy to race to get rid of him and move into a commanding lead.

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 11:42am

goodluck2me wrote:

I know i opened for 4BB but i tend to vary between that at random and 3BB, never really any less, as you have minimal FE af <3BB i think

Live, if they want to take a flop with 22 - 99; or A2s - AJo; or 76s - KQs: they will. Whether you make it 1500 or 2400. But when you make it 1500, it is easier to take pots down postflop and less expensive to lose pots post - flop. Your C - bets are cheaper; and having a smaller pot relative to stacks should help you more than your opponents. And you'll be raising with JJ - AA too; and you will want action with those hands.

Blip · 26-09-2007 11:53am

^^^ in before the banage

AKQJ10 · 26-09-2007 11:54am

i had pushed with 34 when i accidently min raised and was called in 3 spots for 600 befor a guy went all in for 2200. its not a bad spot to isolate and take on his hand when theres no way any of the callers were calling. then i had 5bb and got it in with 75c. anyway my range now with a playable stack had severly tightened up, i didnt raise on button or co purely due to i know im getting looked up as people just remember the hand when i shoved with 34. we were down to 6 with 4 prizes, my range is A2+, 22+, 910s+. i want you to call everytime, but saying you called as you had a chance to gamble and knock me out sitting to your immediate left knowing im gonna be aggressive is not good reasoning, if u double me up i'll be able to make it much harder on you.

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 11:58am

AKQJ10 wrote:

we were down to 6 with 4 prizes, my range is A2+, 22+, 910s+. i want you to call everytime, but saying you called as you had a chance to gamble and knock me out sitting to your immediate left knowing im gonna be aggressive is not good reasoning, if u double me up i'll be able to make it much harder on you.

I think this is very sensible. "Don't feed the bears" as Luke might say. As I said, I don't like the call with 9 high.

Flushdraw · 26-09-2007 12:02pm

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Live, if they want to take a flop with 22 - 99; or A2s - AJo; or 76s - KQs: they will. Whether you make it 1500 or 2400. But when you make it 1500, it is easier to take pots down postflop and less expensive to lose pots post - flop. Your C - bets are cheaper; and having a smaller pot relative to stacks should help you more than your opponents. And you'll be raising with JJ - AA too; and you will want action with those hands.

I dont really agree with the above Lloyd. Theres a huge difference between calling with A2s-AJo or 76s-KQs for 1500 and then for 2400.

If Joe opens for 2400 and gets 1 caller, its 1800 to the BB into a 5700 pot
If Joe opens for 1500 and gets 1 caller, its 900 to the BB into a 3900 pot

Also if Joe opens to 1500, a 3bet steal from a villain could cost as little as 4k to get through, although if he opens for 2400, it would cost 6k min.

I prefer 1800-2200 at this level for opening a pot

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 12:13pm

AKQJ10 wrote:

but saying you called as you had a chance to gamble and knock me out sitting to your immediate left knowing im gonna be aggressive is not good reasoning, if u double me up i'll be able to make it much harder on you.

if that was the only or even the main reason you would be correct, that was more of ancilliary bonus. If you doubled up you would have 25K and id still haave had 56K so i really wouldnt have been overly bothered if you were still in, id obv prefer it if you were out.
I showed the maths of the sitaution and it turned out i was correct in my reads. I also think that its important for you to realise who your customer is, in that i will think things through quite a lot and i also completely discounted you having QQ+ and AK as i felt you looked really uncomfortable, and you would most likely flat call and try to trap me a la the QQ hand earler where you checked your Big Blind.
You would have been better off targetting Mac/theresa/karl who would have been likely to fold as they were playing for their stacks. I also wasnt playing that loose to make an A4o shove profitable, i am always calling with better aces and pretty much 55+ aswell, so im not sure of the merits of the shove.
It was just one of those Texas holdem cooler A4o 9Ts race type sityashuns.

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 12:15pm

Flushdraw wrote:

I dont really agree with the above Lloyd. Theres a huge difference between calling with A2s-AJo or 76s-KQs for 1500 and then for 2400.

If Joe opens for 2400 and gets 1 caller, its 1800 to the BB into a 5700 pot
If Joe opens for 1500 and gets 1 caller, its 900 to the BB into a 3900 pot

Also if Joe opens to 1500, a 3bet steal from a villain could cost as little as 4k to get through, although if he opens for 2400, it would cost 6k min.

I prefer 1800-2200 at this level for opening a pot

It also means that villains will have to play for stacks rather and gives them less scope to profitably see flops.

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 1:29pm

goodluck2me wrote:

It also means that villains will have to play for stacks rather and gives them less scope to profitably see flops.

Making it more likely that you will be playing for stacks post - flop is bad for you when 98soooted is in your raising range. DUCY???????

LuckyLloyd · 26-09-2007 1:38pm

Flushdraw wrote:

I dont really agree with the above Lloyd. Theres a huge difference between calling with A2s-AJo or 76s-KQs for 1500 and then for 2400.

If Joe opens for 2400 and gets 1 caller, its 1800 to the BB into a 5700 pot
If Joe opens for 1500 and gets 1 caller, its 900 to the BB into a 3900 pot

Also if Joe opens to 1500, a 3bet steal from a villain could cost as little as 4k to get through, although if he opens for 2400, it would cost 6k min.

I prefer 1800-2200 at this level for opening a pot

Tony, I strongly disagree with the above if you are going to be opening pots with a wide range in an Irish tournament. Remember that a lot of the players you are playing will call with the type of hands I am talking about for a lot of non - logical reasons:

- "I've been seeing nothing";
- "I fancied seeing a flop";
- "They were sooted";
- They are getting tired;
- They are getting bored;
- They're sick of you pushing them around;
- They think you are "stealing" too much;

I think playing small ball with effective stacks in the 20 - 40BBs range is the way to go if you want to be opening a lot and putting the pressure on. If your opening range was 1010+ // AQs+ exclusively then I would agree that bigger opening raises would make a lot more sense.

And finally, note that smaller opening raises are becoming more and more standard among some of the better tournament players both live and online. You're not going to see Sorel Mizzi or Justin Bonamo opening for 2400 at 300 / 600 like, ever.

Anyway, we may have to agree to disagree on this one. If so, fair enough.

Glowingmind · 26-09-2007 1:54pm

Any of you cats been playing the wednesday SE or JAckpot games recently? How many runners are they getting?

Goodluck2me · 26-09-2007 2:22pm

Glowingmind wrote:

Any of you cats been playing the wednesday SE or JAckpot games recently? How many runners are they getting?

played the jackpot last week over 40 runners.

Luckylloyd wrote:

Making it more likely that you will be playing for stacks post - flop is bad for you when 98soooted is in your raising range. DUCY???????

Well to be honest it was the first time that i had raising with a hand like that all night, my range was a LOT narrower than that until then. i wasnt playing particluarly aggressive at the time.
It is not bad for me Lloyd, as i am not really raising pre flop for value therefore people are hardly going to shove all in light against me as i hadnt shown down many bad hands all night, the only person i thought capable of doing this was mark. you wouldnt have seen anyone else in that situation with less than AQ. therefore i win the blinds more often as they are put to a situation where its call off a high % of their stack to see a flop, or risk going all in. Therefore i should win the blinds uncontested much more often than if, using an exagggerated example, i min raised.
I also think that Sorel mizzi does change his raises and have watched him and many others do this very frequently, but i appreciate the point you were trying to make nonetheless.

Regular tourney discussion - Who's going and what happened?

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