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Horrific Footage of Homeless Schizophrenic beaten by cops
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It seems he tried to escape and probably resisted arrest. With six officers on the scene I don't think the use of tazers was justified.
Tazers were brought in so police could quantify exactly how much force they had used. You might not think a tazer was justified but you'll probably find the police depts use of force policy will specify the use of a tazer to deal with non compliance.there does not seem to be a good reason that he was beaten around the head till he sustained brain injury.
You saw him being beaten around the head in that video? Fair Play so.
yeah his ribs were broken apparently, that will happen when five coppers sit on someone. I've seen the pictures of the guy, I've seen pictures of guys who looked in similar conditions after MMA bouts who went on their merry way.
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KamiKazeKitten wrote: »I don't know about you, but the pics of his face defnitely outrage me. "I can't breathe...I'm sorry..." Yes, it sounds like a violent struggle. They should be given medals of bravery for killing a down and out.
Mmm yes, because leaving a mentally ill man lying in a pool of his own blood with multiple facial fractures, fractured ribs, and extensive abrasions is mild force. What do you think of this, by the way?
http://gawker.com/5842815/two-officers-charged-in-fatal-beating-of-mentally-ill-man
One policeman has been charged with using excessive force and manslaughter, another with second degree murder. Sounds like they don't understand the guidelines to me, or simply didn't care.
You'll find the prosecution service will pursue the case one way or the other, regardless of whether the use of force is judged to be within departmental guidelines or not. That's how public outrage works. Same in the Diallo case in New York. The police involved were found to have acted within the use of force guidelines by their dept but they still wound up being prosecuted for murder (and acquitted), which was another shock-outrage-how-could-they moment
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I heard the coroner's report which stated that he had sustained brain injury and fractures to his face. Now it is possible, if unlikely, that he was walking around prior to the incident with a crushed thorax and a severely damaged face, or that he fell out of the ambulance on the way to the hospital and rolled down a bumpy hill. But it's not an unreasonable application of Occam's razor to assume that the officer who proclaimed he was going to "**** [him] up" proceeded to do just that.You saw him being beaten around the head in that video? Fair Play so.
A lone unarmed individual should not walk away from a confrontation with police looking like they'd taken a particularly severe beating in an MMA fight, much less die from the injuries. Every Saturday night police apprehend uncooperative individuals and they manage to do so without inflicting GBH and ultimately killing them.yeah his ribs were broken apparently, that will happen when five coppers sit on someone. I've seen the pictures of the guy, I've seen pictures of guys who looked in similar conditions after MMA bouts who went on their merry way.
Really and truly, do you believe the police acted in an appropriate manner, or have you caught a case of internet and you're just arguing for the sake of it?0 -
There are a lot more of them, so incidents like this are naturally going to occur more often than in smaller countries, all other things being equal.partyatmygaff wrote: »What is it with American cops and police brutality? There's some absolute scum in the American police force.
Law enforcement is also done on strange levels though too, where you have different agencies with different levels of actual legal authority. So "mall cops" have certain legal powers and authority, as do your standard beat cops. Private agencies can often have the legal power of stop/search/arrest as well as the public cops.
This creates an issue where the standard of training and vetting not only varies from state to state, but also massively varies within the state, depending on what county you're in, whose jurisdiction you're under, and what agency the "cop" who stops you, belongs to.
In European countries where we're mostly accustomed to having a single national police force with uniform authority, and no other forces have any legal authority, it's much easier to keep control over who becomes an officer and how you train them.
Also, never has a punk song been more appropriate:
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I heard the coroner's report which stated that he had sustained brain injury and fractures to his face. Now it is possible, if unlikely, that he was walking around prior to the incident with a crushed thorax and a severely damaged face, or that he fell out of the ambulance on the way to the hospital and rolled down a bumpy hill. But it's not an unreasonable application of Occam's razor to assume that the officer who proclaimed he was going to "**** [him] up" proceeded to do just that.
Really and truly, do you believe the police acted in an appropriate manner, or have you caught a case of internet and you're just arguing for the sake of it?
Or his face got smacked off the concrete or he got tazed in the face, or or or..
Interesting logic though, he got beaten up and died therefore the coppers must be in the wrong because omg omg omg look at the video. 0 -
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Or his face got smacked off the concrete or he got tazed in the face, or or or..
Interesting logic though, he got beaten up and died therefore the coppers must be in the wrong because omg omg omg look at the video.
....because going on whats known at this point in time, they were the ones who inflicted the injuries/were the cause of them. I really can't see what your problem is.0 -
Honestly, from the pictures of his face does it look like he the injuries were caused solely by smacking his face off the kerb? He received fractures on both the front and side of his head which suggests that he took a beating, quite possible from the cop who told him he was going to **** him up.Or his face got smacked off the concrete or he got tazed in the face, or or or..
He was apprehended and in being so he received extensive injuries severe enough that they resulted in his death. I don't see how it's such a massive leap of logic to claim that the officers who inflicted these injuries are complicit in his death.Interesting logic though, he got beaten up and died therefore the coppers must be in the wrong because omg omg omg look at the video.0 -
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You'll find the prosecution service will pursue the case one way or the other, regardless of whether the use of force is judged to be within departmental guidelines or not. That's how public outrage works. Same in the Diallo case in New York. The police involved were found to have acted within the use of force guidelines by their dept but they still wound up being prosecuted for murder (and acquitted), which was another shock-outrage-how-could-they moment
And if they get found not guilty well and good for them.
I would imagine that there is, y'know, evidence to justify a court case as well. Such as this video, maybe?
As to how to deal with him - well, they had him pinned down, no? He wouldn't have gone anywhere like that.0 -
KamiKazeKitten wrote: »As to how to deal with him - well, they had him pinned down, no? He wouldn't have gone anywhere like that.
Which would be absolutely super if cops are just supposed to hold people down all day. Except they are'nt, hence the little problem of non compliance 0 -
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Which would be absolutely super if cops are just supposed to hold people down all day. Except they are'nt, hence the little problem of non compliance
Call for backup if they need to, put him in a cell if they need.
Cops aren't supposed to beat people bloody, hence their little problem of a trial hanging over their heads. 0 -
KamiKazeKitten wrote: »Call for backup if they need to, put him in a cell if they need.
Cops aren't supposed to beat people bloody, hence their little problem of a trial hanging over their heads.
You mean call for the backup that already had been called for and had arrived? That backup? Presumably the idea of locking him in a cell had occurred to them and would explain why they were trying to handcuff the nutter before they could transport him to said cell?
Cops are supposed to beat people bloody, they're even supposed to shoot people dead, so long as that's the appropriate level of force that circumstances dictate.0 -
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Which would be absolutely super if cops are just supposed to hold people down all day. Except they are'nt, hence the little problem of non compliance
Yep. Thats why closed mental wards and secure hospitals have people dying every day of the week - they just can't deal with non-compliance without beatin a fella to pulp.0 -
Or his face got smacked off the concrete or he got tazed in the face, or or or..
Interesting logic though, he got beaten up and died therefore the coppers must be in the wrong because omg omg omg look at the video.
Yeah, let's not look at the video. Let's ignore the bit when the cop said he was going to **** him up.0 -
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You mean call for the backup that already had been called for and had arrived? That backup? Presumably the idea of locking him in a cell had occurred to them and would explain why they were trying to handcuff the nutter before they could transport him to said cell?
Cops are supposed to beat people bloody, they're even supposed to shoot people dead, so long as that's the appropriate level of force that circumstances dictate.
You should probably get your facts straight before you decide to make a complete arsehole out of yourself.0 -
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I think Bambi is just trolling tbh.
Not really, I just find it funny that people think their oh-the-humanity-that's-so-waffles response to seeing a guy being beaten is in anyway as valid as an understanding of the relevant laws or use of force matrix that the cops were operating under.
Am I defending the coppers? Nope, I'm just having a go at this lot posting here. Cos I cant tell see whats going on in most of that video and what I can see would be in compliance with most use of force policies. If it turns out that they tazed the guy in the face repeatedly or smashed his skull in with a torch then they'll go down. If you can see where that happens in the video post the timings up. Third time of asking and no takers for that, odd 0 -
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You mean call for the backup that already had been called for and had arrived? That backup? Presumably the idea of locking him in a cell had occurred to them and would explain why they were trying to handcuff the nutter before they could transport him to said cell?
Cops are supposed to beat people bloody, they're even supposed to shoot people dead, so long as that's the appropriate level of force that circumstances dictate.
Are they also suppose to people they are going to "f*** them up with there fists?" And put so much pressure on someones chest they send them into a coma?
What a plank.0 -
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Not really, I just find it funny that people think their oh-the-humanity-that's-so-waffles response to seeing a guy being beaten is in anyway as valid as an understanding of the relevant laws or use of force matrix that the cops were operating under.
Am I defending the coppers? Nope, I'm just having a go at this lot posting here. Cos I cant tell see whats going on in most of that video and what I can see would be in compliance with most use of force policies. If it turns out that they tazed the guy in the face repeatedly or smashed his skull in with a torch then they'll go down. If you can see where that happens in the video post the timings up. Third time of asking and no takers for that, odd
There's two cellphone camera recordings in evidence that haven't been released as yet, the details of the beating (mentioned by the DA) likely come from those recordings.
But please, keep "having a go" at everyone here, go against the grain, it makes you look so cool.0 -
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You mean call for the backup that already had been called for and had arrived? That backup? Presumably the idea of locking him in a cell had occurred to them and would explain why they were trying to handcuff the nutter before they could transport him to said cell?
They had managed to sit on him, indicates that they would have been well able to get him into handcuffs from there, don't you agree?Cops are supposed to beat people bloody, they're even supposed to shoot people dead, so long as that's the appropriate level of force that circumstances dictate.
If that level of force is needed and the situation is dire enough.
And you think that was the appropriate level of force needed in this situation? That they had exhausted all other avenues available?0 -
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