Cass wrote: »

Atlantic in Carlow are now stocking these.

Anyone seen one or anyone seen one in another dealers yet?

Yeah! I have one in .243. Got it from Dom Byrne in Wexford!

Hilltop advertising them now aswell. Price Circa 2k

Dom's custom rifles has one in in stock in .308 €1850

Deaf git wrote: »

It's very difficult to justify €1800 ish when this gun is selling in the US for $1000-$1100. And dealers over there are still turning a profit at that price. I know there is volume sales, shipping, vat, import duties, export licence etc to be considered but can't see how that justifies a virtual doubling of the retail price.

Doubling seems to be standard for purchasing firearms in Ireland. The gun is €900ish converted, add €200 VAT, I doubt each dealer here is importing them themselves. More than likely purchasing from a supplier this side of the pond who's only paid a single $250 export fee in the US for multiple guns. Shipping on a number of guns is obviously cheaper than bringing in one or two. I cant see the gun landing here (in volume) costing the importer more than €1100/€1200 (assuming their paying retail without a volume discount (unlikely). So between the importer and the dealer there's at least €600/€700 profit.*

*it they sell them @ €1800 but it seems some dealers are selling for more.

http://gunwatcher.com/search-best-price/ruger-precision-rifle-for-sales

There's a few for sale @ $1000. The dealers are obviously not selling below cost so that would suggest the dealer price in the US could be below $900

Cass wrote: »

Thing is i doubt any dealer is scanning the "locals" for deals, plus a lot of those sites are auction sites. Then the last kicker non will sell or ship outside of CONUS.


Did you see page two? Prices go as high as $1,995. Here is another website selling them for $1,400 & $1,800.

After checking around the average price can go between $1,100 all the way up to $2,000.


I've said in the past that dealer here make a larger profit on some items, and some dealers really have high prices compared to other Irish RFDs, and way higher than online sites. However i doubt they are getting those rifles in for less than €1,200.

While I agree this is an auction site, the guns can be purchased for $1000. As I said I doubt they're been sold below cost. I can't lay my hand to the link to the Texas dealer selling them for $950 and that's from a gun store.
Im well aware they don't ship out of the CONUS and it wasn't the point I was making. I stated that dealers in the US are possibly purchasing direct from ruger for below $900 if their able to sell for $1000 retail.

The fact that some as looking for $2000 is irrelevant as people will always over price and try make a buck you only have to look to adverts for that. (Sell second hand for twice the price new seems to be the norm) . It was a very popular rifle when it was released in the US and most places sold out (with a long back order) hence the $2000 price tag on auction sites.

I agree dealers have some ridiculous margins on products here. With regards to dealers getting them in for below €1,200 I never said they were.

Cass wrote: »

It's not irrelevant. You have stated they can be gotten fro less than the RRP from Ruger, so if they are also selling above the RRP then it's very relevant. You cannot take the prices that prove a point and dismiss the ones that don't.

It is irrelevant as $1400 is ruger's recommended retail price that doesn't set the price the market does. The fact I've stated they can be gotten for less isn't some conspiracy I've concocted it's a fact. Look to any of the US forums and they regularly mention a retail price of $1000/1100 for the rifle. Like I said you can charge anything you want for a product (that parts irrelevant) what they actually sell for that's the relevant part.

If people pay more for a product that can be purchased cheaper somewhere else it just proves the adage "a fool and his money are easily parted"

Cass wrote: »

Alright then €1,290 if you want to be exact:

Don't see the point here I'll assume your agreeing with me although you do also seem to like an argument.

Atlantic in Carlow have them for €1850. At least I think that's the price he said. I can't swear on it because my memory is shot to sh1t (pardon the pun) but I think that is the price he quoted. I wasn't really interested in one so I didn't pay enough attention. :pac:

They had them in either 308 or 243.

Bad_alibi wrote: »

It was either €1850 or €1880 and the .308 was sold the day he got them in. I'm sure there was a bit of wiggle room in that price. Their normally good to deal with.

He had one left on Thursday morning as far as I can remember.

Cass wrote: »

No its not.

People will pay what they want to or what the price is. TO dismiss the higher priced ones because they can be got cheaper is ignoring the fact that they are not ALL cheap.

Not to go on a merry go round here but it is irrelevant. Your point would be valid if we were comparing varying quality of two products say like the Harris bipod and one of its clones. While they both do the same thing you can understand why someone would prefer to spend more money on a high quality product.

Your comparing apples with apples and saying that higher prices are relevant ??? That's the head scratcher. What your describing is if two Phone shops were side by side on a street and one had an iPhone for sale for €600 and the shop beside it had the same colour phone identical in every way but was selling it for €1200. The person buying the €1200 one has a screw loose.
Now if the first shop sold out and they weren't available for a month & you were one of the Apple sheep and had to have it that's why the second shop has increased its price to capitalise on your stupidity

Cass wrote: »

Never assume.

Correct that's what started this whole debate, your assumption that these rifles retail for $1400 when in fact they were available across multiple outlets for $1000/1100

Cass wrote: »

Funny how people always say argument. No one ever says "like to debate a point". Its a discussion forum. If everyone agreed with the first post there would be no need for the forum. It'd just be a blog.

I like a debate and heck sometimes I even like a good argument.

Cass wrote: »

You have your opinion, and i totally disagree with it. That is the nature of things, but if you are going to call a little bit of back and forth an argument you may grow thicker skin as you're going to find a lot of people won't agree with you on a lot of topics.

The sarcasm was lost on you

Cass wrote: »

The whole thing is moot anyway. For the same money there are better 1,000+ yard rifles out there. Think i highlighted some of it in a previous post.

That I don't disagree with.

Back to the Irish pricing someone be it the UK/Irish importer or the Irish dealer is making a massive profit on these rifles.
Since all the Irish dealers are selling for a similar price €1800-1900 I'd assume it's the importer taking the largest slice of the pie. If the dealers had a better margin you'd see a bigger price difference between them.