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Sieghardt · 21-12-2014 4:55pm

Memnoch wrote: »

So I just started playing Atelier Rorona. I handed in some items for the front desk request and even though the listed reward is like 45 or 50 I only got two cash. Is this normal? Or am. I reading the reward wrong, or is the game broken somehow?

I think you're getting confused with the reward tickets/stamps

Retr0gamer wrote:

This generations last great RPG?

Depends on it you count Yakuza 5 and Persona 5 but yeah any of them would be a good swansong

Memnoch · 21-12-2014 5:54pm

Sieghardt wrote: »

I think you're getting confused with the reward tickets/stamps

Depends on it you count Yakuza 5 and Persona 5 but yeah any of them would be a good swansong

Err..

The tickets/stamps are from Sterk.

This is the front desk where it says 53 gold if I give the girl three of whatever item she wants. I give her the item and my gold goes up by 5. This is at the very start of the game. I wonder if it's a case that if your reputation isn't high you get less money? I can't see how else to make cash in the game. I assumed these quests would be the way, having played previous Atelier games.

Memnoch · 21-12-2014 5:55pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Looks very cool, hopefully we'll get a release date soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GQjh4Ltvo

If the gameplay is turn based or ATB of some kind then I'm in. Not keen on the action rpg route for my jRPGs.

Retr0gamer · 21-12-2014 5:57pm

Well played a bit more FF7. Got to Corel and then finished the golden saucer, collected Yuffie and saved outside Cosmo Canyon. I always really like the dungeon before Corel, I think it's the music that does it for me but there's a good bit of variety in it and some nice touches like people not in your party waving as you cross the bridge.

I wasn't however fond of Golden Saucer on the first visit. It's an interesting concept having somewhere with its own currency but the minigames are all so terrible. Also the whole prison section and Barrets back story with Dyne is extremely weak. The less said about the forced chocobo race... I'm glad Golden Saucer is behind me because it wasn't that enjoyable.

Gongaga seems very weird in retrospect. It feels a bit half arsed. There's not a whole lot to do there and visually it's a bit of a mess.

I'm really starting to feel the disparity between the excellent start of the game in Midgar (and Junon) and how the rest of the game is kind of a normal run of the mill RPG. It's like two different games. Iirc I've at least got some fun areas coming up next.

Retr0gamer · 21-12-2014 5:58pm

Memnoch wrote: »

If the gameplay is turn based or ATB of some kind then I'm in. Not keen on the action rpg route for my jRPGs.

It looks more like the pseudo MMO style used by FF12 and Xenoblade. I hope it's more like Xenoblade because that battle system was amazing.

Memnoch · 21-12-2014 7:12pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It looks more like the pseudo MMO style used by FF12 and Xenoblade. I hope it's more like Xenoblade because that battle system was amazing.

I don't trust square with that. It feels like their trying to tap into the action genre market. Their last best game was FFX and it was fine being turn based. That's what I want from them but I guess they don't care.

Retr0gamer · 21-12-2014 7:43pm

Memnoch wrote: »

I don't trust square with that. It feels like their trying to tap into the action genre market. Their last best game was FFX and it was fine being turn based. That's what I want from them but I guess they don't care.

Square's output has been consistently been excellent since final fantasy X with only 13 being a misstep and even that wasn't as bad as most people think. The new director in charge of FF15 has also more than proven himself at being able to deliver an excellent real time battle system with his previous games, he seems to be a major up and coming talent. He also managed to make a good Kingdom Hearts with Birth by Sleep, something long thought impossible for that cesspit of a series

I also don't get people wanting Final fantasy to go back to its roots so to speak and go back to being turn based. Final Fantasy is a series defined by how it reinvents itself with every iteration and doesn't rest on its laurels. It's a richer game series for it and it's good to see something so inventive in this age of safe sequels. Final Fantasy 13 was a product of Square trying to go back to that FFX formula and well other than the battle system that game didn't turn out that great.

Xenji · 21-12-2014 9:49pm

Finished Phantasy Star Nova during the week, it really is a fantastic game, just a shame that Sega will probably never localize it.

Sephiroth_dude · 21-12-2014 9:54pm

Xenji wrote: »

Sega will probably never localize it.

God damn it sega :mad:

Retr0gamer · 21-12-2014 11:40pm

Xenji wrote: »

Finished Phantasy Star Nova during the week, it really is a fantastic game, just a shame that Sega will probably never localize it.

Would love if they did. Tri-Ace in development duties has me very interested and they are on a roll after the FFXIII sequels and resonance of fate. Get the finger out Sega!

BTW is it in english anywhere, like a asian hong kong release??

Sieghardt · 22-12-2014 11:55am

Not in english anywhere, probably better off begging Sony if you want it

Tri-Ace really didnt do much with it, it's just PSO2 offline version. That said, PSO2 is an absolutely excellent game with incredible gameplay

Retr0gamer · 22-12-2014 12:00pm

Sieghardt wrote: »

Tri-Ace really didnt do much with it, it's just PSO2 offline version. That said, PSO2 is an absolutely excellent game with incredible gameplay

And another game we won't see in English

Gummy Panda · 22-12-2014 5:54pm

Bought a PSP vita and persona 4 golden. Good times ahead

Gummy Panda · 23-12-2014 1:01pm

Persona 4 is much slower starter than persona 3. I guess its because the character finds out about the shadows himself rather then being told by a group. Loving it so far.

Plan is to buy persona 2, SMT 4 and persona Q over the next few months

Retr0gamer · 23-12-2014 1:04pm

Be aware there's two parts to Persona 2, Innocent Sin is the first and on the PSP while Eternal Punishment, the second part, is only on PS1 in english but is on the PSN store.

super_furry · 23-12-2014 1:16pm

The Vita really does seem to be the best place for JRPGs right now. Picked up Ys: Memories of Celceta yesterday for just over a tenner and will grab Freedom Wars later today.

Retr0gamer · 23-12-2014 1:19pm

super_furry wrote: »

The Vita really does seem to be the best place for JRPGs right now. Picked up Ys: Memories of Celceta yesterday for just over a tenner and will grab Freedom Wars later today.

Yeah it's been a very good year for the system for B-tier JRPG games and I felt this year it was way ahead of the 3DS. Plenty of PS3 RPGs coming across to the system now, the Atelier games are so much better on a portable. More people need to play the Atelier games, how many times do I have to say they are the secret best RPGs on the the last few years!

richymcdermott · 23-12-2014 1:28pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Yeah it's been a very good year for the system for B-tier JRPG games and I felt this year it was way ahead of the 3DS. Plenty of PS3 RPGs coming across to the system now, the Atelier games are so much better on a portable. More people need to play the Atelier games, how many times do I have to say they are the secret best RPGs on the the last few years!

like persona i knew of atelier for years but need that push to buy them

sniper_samurai · 23-12-2014 1:28pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Be aware there's two parts to Persona 2, Innocent Sin is the first and on the PSP while Eternal Punishment, the second part, is only on PS1 in english but is on the PSN store.

Eternal Punishment isn't available on the Irish psn store, only the US and the PS1 version has an Americanised script which is a little jarring if continuing on from Innocent Sin. Pity Atlus didn't release the PSP version of Eternal Punishment.

Sephiroth_dude · 23-12-2014 1:38pm

I remember playing the first atelier on the ps2 and getting stuck on a boss that was like a glass unicorn/horse and took me ages to kill the fecker :mad:

Retr0gamer · 23-12-2014 1:41pm

richymcdermott wrote: »

like persona i knew of atelier for years but need that push to buy them

They actually play very like Persona with all the time management you have to do except instead of making time for social links you're making time for item gathering and alchemy.

sniper_samurai wrote: »

Eternal Punishment isn't available on the Irish psn store, only the US and the PS1 version has an Americanised script which is a little jarring if continuing on from Innocent Sin. Pity Atlus didn't release the PSP version of Eternal Punishment.

You should only be buying PS1 games from the US store though. The games are much better than the awful PAL versions.

I think the only big jarring isue with the EP translation is the name changes. There is a difference in tone though.

Atlus did try very hard to bring out EP to the West on PSP but apparently the code was such a mess for the japanese release that it was imposible to do within the budget and time frame. Pity but at least there is still a way to play it.

Retr0gamer · 23-12-2014 1:45pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I remember playing the first atelier on the ps2 and getting stuck on a boss that was like a glass unicorn/horse and took me ages to kill the fecker :mad:

The series has changed a lot since then and is far better. The 'plus' versions on Vita are even better again than their PS3 counterparts. Atelier Annie was the first game when they really got it right which carried over to Rorona and then that has been refined further as the series continued and with the 'plus' games.

I really like the storytelling in the Atelier games. There's no world saving nonsense but more down to earth crises, like trying to save a shop from going out of busines, searching for what happened to your missing sister who is presumed dead or preparing for the monarchy to dissolve. The characters start as teenagers and over the course of a few years in the game develop into independent and strong women.

sniper_samurai · 23-12-2014 2:00pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

They actually play very like Persona with all the time management you have to do except instead of making time for social links you're making time for item gathering and alchemy.

You should only be buying PS1 games from the US store though. The games are much better than the awful PAL versions.

I think the only big jarring isue with the EP translation is the name changes. There is a difference in tone though.

Atlus did try very hard to bring out EP to the West on PSP but apparently the code was such a mess for the japanese release that it was imposible to do within the budget and time frame. Pity but at least there is still a way to play it.

True, just didn't mention that as it is now against the rules to discuss purchasing games not available on the Irish storefront as per the update to the charter last week. Not worth fetting a warning over it.

Really enjoying Persona Q which finally arrived last week with the second half of the tarot cards. Might have to track down some Etrian Odyssey games as the only game I've played that is similar is Shining the Holy Ark.

Retr0gamer · 23-12-2014 2:04pm

sniper_samurai wrote: »

True, just didn't mention that as it is now against the rules to discuss purchasing games not available on the Irish storefront as per the update to the charter last week. Not worth fetting a warning over it.

Really enjoying Persona Q which finally arrived last week with the second half of the tarot cards. Might have to track down some Etrian Odyssey games as the only game I've played that is similar is Shining the Holy Ark.

My understanding from discussing it is that the only thing that will get you in trouble is discussing methods on how to get content from different regions.

You'll like Etrian Odyssey if you like Persona Q.

Sephiroth_dude · 23-12-2014 2:13pm

I'm hoping to pick up a 3ds in the sales and finally play Bravely Default and Fire Emblem: Awakening

Memnoch · 23-12-2014 2:17pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Square's output has been consistently been excellent since final fantasy X with only 13 being a misstep and even that wasn't as bad as most people think. The new director in charge of FF15 has also more than proven himself at being able to deliver an excellent real time battle system with his previous games, he seems to be a major up and coming talent. He also managed to make a good Kingdom Hearts with Birth by Sleep, something long thought impossible for that cesspit of a series

I also don't get people wanting Final fantasy to go back to its roots so to speak and go back to being turn based. Final Fantasy is a series defined by how it reinvents itself with every iteration and doesn't rest on its laurels. It's a richer game series for it and it's good to see something so inventive in this age of safe sequels. Final Fantasy 13 was a product of Square trying to go back to that FFX formula and well other than the battle system that game didn't turn out that great.

I'm not a fan of real time/action jrpgs, that's a personal preference. I don't know if 13 was square trying to go back to its roots, it certainly felt NOTHING like that to me. The only thing about it that was similar to what has been the FF experience for me was the battle system. And that was frankly the only thing I enjoyed about the game.

So yeah, if 15 is an action RPG I'll most likely be giving it a miss. X was the last square enix game I really enjoyed. I'm tempted to pick up a DS though and play Bravely Default.

Memnoch · 23-12-2014 2:19pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I'm hoping to pick up a 3ds in the sales and finally play Bravely Default and Fire Emblem: Awakening

It's on sale for 100 Pounds on Amazon.co.uk right now. I'm really tempted to be honest.

By the way, still looking for clarification on Rorona if anyone has played it?

Front Desk quests from Esty. Says reward for turning in three of whatever is 53 cash. I turn in the quest and only get like 5 cash. Is this deliberate, linked to reputation or quality of the item? Or is it a bug?

(Not talking about the STAMP or the VOUCHER stuff from Sterk. That's different.)

johnny_ultimate · 23-12-2014 2:22pm

I thoroughly enjoyed the 30 hours or more of Bravely Default I played. It really captured that feel of SNES era RPGs while adding some very welcome modern twists.

But I gave up at the (I assume) half-way point

when it asked me to repeat every boss fight in the game up until that point. A lazy decision IMO, even if the fights were obviously harder second time around.

I would have preferred the game to have definitively ended, and then have all the extra stuff as optional post-game content.

Sephiroth_dude · 23-12-2014 2:27pm

Memnoch wrote: »

It's on sale for 100 Pounds on Amazon.co.uk right now. I'm really tempted to be honest.

By the way, still looking for clarification on Rorona if anyone has played it?

Front Desk quests from Esty. Says reward for turning in three of whatever is 53 cash. I turn in the quest and only get like 5 cash. Is this deliberate, linked to reputation or quality of the item? Or is it a bug?

(Not talking about the STAMP or the VOUCHER stuff from Sterk. That's different.)

Damn.... its the xl that I want.

johnny_ultimate · 23-12-2014 2:29pm

If you are looking to buy a 3DS or XL, wait for the new model unless you're looking for one on the cheap. Really does seem like a proper improvement, and it would be crazy to buy a standard model now unless you're on a very tight budget.

Memnoch · 23-12-2014 2:39pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

If you are looking to buy a 3DS or XL, wait for the new model unless you're looking for one on the cheap. Really does seem like a proper improvement, and it would be crazy to buy a standard model now unless you're on a very tight budget.

Having read the reviews, I'm not sure I need the newer version. Especially as it will probably be north of 200 pounds. Argos and gamestop here are selling these for 200 euro plus (current 3ds). So it feels like a good bargain to me, unless people feel there will be a further price drop once the new one is out?

Sephiroth_dude · 23-12-2014 2:44pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

If you are looking to buy a 3DS or XL, wait for the new model unless you're looking for one on the cheap. Really does seem like a proper improvement, and it would be crazy to buy a standard model now unless you're on a very tight budget.

Actually forgot they were bringing out a new, I'll definitely wait so.

sniper_samurai · 23-12-2014 2:53pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Actually forgot they were bringing out a new, I'll definitely wait so.

365games in the UK are already selling the AUS model of the New 3DS XL for ~€220. No drawbacks with it either as it is compatible with EU carts and eShop. Might be worth looking into as it could be March/April again its out here.
http://www.365games.co.uk/search/new+3ds/sort-relevance

Sephiroth_dude · 24-12-2014 9:38am

Cheers for that sniper

I got natural doctrine of the psn store for 18, some great Xmas deals to be had, I already have most of them though :-/

Gummy Panda · 24-12-2014 1:30pm

Bought SMT4 for 20euro on eshop. Don't know if that was sale or not but I'm happy.

Xenji · 24-12-2014 4:01pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Bought SMT4 for 20euro on eshop. Don't know if that was sale or not but I'm happy.

That's the normal price for it, great game.

Sephiroth_dude · 27-12-2014 7:30pm

http://xenobladex.jp/media/xeno_sound2.mp3

Download a song from the new xenoblade game here

Xenji · 27-12-2014 7:38pm

New Tales Of Zestiria trailer.

Sephiroth_dude · 27-12-2014 7:40pm

Still no release date for it.

Xenji · 27-12-2014 7:44pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Still no release date for it.

Yeah still a Q2 placeholder, but at least we know they are localizing it.

Sephiroth_dude · 27-12-2014 7:55pm

Indeed, I have it pre ordered on amazon and all.

Xenji · 03-01-2015 10:14pm

Put in an order for Atelier Ayesha Plus: The Alchemist of Dusk, Criminal Girls: Invite Only, Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters and Operation Abyss: New Tokyo Legacy, gonna be a good first 3 months again for the Vita. Atelier Shallie: Alchemists of the Dusk Sea and The Awakened Fate: Ultimatum coming out on the PS3 in March, although The Awakened Fate is meant to be very mediocre.

Sephiroth_dude · 03-01-2015 10:23pm

Xenji wrote: »

Put in an order for Atelier Ayesha Plus: The Alchemist of Dusk, Criminal Girls: Invite Only, Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters and Operation Abyss: New Tokyo Legacy, gonna be a good first 3 months again for the Vita. Atelier Shallie: Alchemists of the Dusk Sea and The Awakened Fate: Ultimatum coming out on the PS3 in March, although The Awakened Fate is meant to be very mediocre.

order them from vgp?

Xenji · 03-01-2015 10:29pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

order them from vgp?

All except for The Alchemist of Dusk, not in a rush to get them except for Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters which I have heard mostly great things about.

animaX · 04-01-2015 12:10pm

Just recently finished FF type 0. Have to say, it was a bloody chore. Really irked me at times.

I don't like games where you *can't* do everything in your first run. Especially with an RPG that you've put 60 hours into. There literally are things in the game that you're supposed to experience on a fourth play-through!

They'll surely tweak a few things for the HD re-release.

I'm halfway through Vagrant Story now and enjoying it a lot more (a game that I played years ago but gave up at the infamous snowfly forest).

penev10 · 04-01-2015 2:46pm

animaX wrote: »

I'm halfway through Vagrant Story now and enjoying it a lot more (a game that I played years ago but gave up at the infamous snowfly forest).

I did the same! Have it on the Vita now.

animaX · 04-01-2015 2:50pm

penev10 wrote: »

I did the same! Have it on the Vita now.

Ha, I wasn't the only one!

This post is what made me try again
http://chode.org/misc/vs/

Retr0gamer · 04-01-2015 2:51pm

Didn't find the forest that tough, there was some logic to it. No understanding the battle system, now I had absolutely no clue about that!

Sephiroth_dude · 04-01-2015 10:48pm

Anyone played Class of Heroes 2G before?

Retr0gamer · 04-01-2015 11:55pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Anyone played Class of Heroes 2G before?

Protip: Play Etrian Odyssey instead.

It's a decent dungeon crawler but it's so old fashioned compared to Etrian Odyssey. Etrian Odyssey just completely reinvents that genre while keeping it authentic.

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