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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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  • #5002
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    dead one wrote: »
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    Now why oven:confused::confused::confused:... Why not an open source like sun with raw energy?--- "More conventional ovens have a simple thermostat which turns the oven on and off and selects the temperature at which it will operate".... See, every your point is proving existence of God..... :)
    No it doesn't, it proves the existence of companies that manufacture ovens.
    Raw energy can't give the qualified complicated information in absolute things. Directionless energy just speeds up destruction...like sitting in the sun will not make you more complicated —the human mass misses the methods to control raw solar energy. If you sat in the sun long time , your skin would get diseases like cancer etc, because the directionless energy of sun will create mutations ...Same as , directionless energy run through an asserted primordial soup will fall to pieces the complicated atoms of life faster than they are formed.
    :rolleyes:

    One word for you, photosynthesis.
    i have no problem if you call this development as evolution.... I have problem when you explain evolution in terms of your religious beliefs.... That is, chance is present behind evolution....
    According to materialistic evolution the billion and billion of kinds in the world all arose from a huge, huge sequence of aimless events. It started with aimless events that somehow arranged the first living cell. And these aimless events started to create different shapes of cells, herbs , multicellular forms, amphibians, fish, mammals, reptiles and so forth---- From a spiritless hot little pond, redwood trees,humans, lions, and were all produced by a huge series random , aimless events (for example mutations) that just occurred to happen for no main reason ......The human kind just appeared to arise...... Lucretius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretius) believed it from Mother Earth and materialistic evolutionists believe it from mutations......like way it is a circumlocution for blind chance. And as with modern materialistic evolutionary theory, Lucretius honestly was not on the side of science, but on the side of religion. Is it not obvious that this faulty and not valuable world must have come out on its own: Materialistic evolution is a myth
    Even the ancient greeks did not bring a lot of merchandise in their Zeus myths. Unfortunately materialistic evolutionists really believe their superstition.

    Still not understanding science I see. just because something isn't mentioned in your holy book, doesn't make it a myth. If that were the case, Ireland is a myth, as are cars, televisions and even our interaction on this thread.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    It is scientific to believe that all living things came out from a intelligent source.... See, scientific inventions there is intelligence behind.... Is there any scientific device which is result of non-intelligence....
    Again, it requires to be stated that not a single aspect of materialistic evolution has ever been noticed and yet such impossible notions are displayed as a fact to innocent mind in public schools.... Disturbing indeed..... Where on the other hand, there million of examples of design in nature...both in herbs and animal....that help to show this foolish idea that everything somehow created aimlessly with no orginator...
    You say everthing needs a creator yet you contradict yourself by saying god created everthing, and god needed no creator.
    ignorance isn't crime.....Those muslims who are ignorant about islam, doesn't it mean you pick there example as torch to extinguish the light of Islam.... don't look the worms who are orbiting around the candle, see the candle and its light.....
    You have made many statements on this site that view women as something to be controlled, so don't act like islam doesn't treat women as second class people.
    A women is garland of chastity, modesty and decency.... She is beautiful in this form, If her education removes this garland from her body... Then her body can dim the light in the society.... See around... Look in commercial, look in films..... How she is butchered in the name of freedom and who is butchering her-- the same man who torches her freedom as source to fill his desires.... Like i said, you can't see because you don't believe in God, the source of ultimate wisdom...
    More of your negative attitude to women:rolleyes: They're not fecking china dolls to be put on the mantle to be admired, they're human beings!!!
    ... you know ignorance because ignorance leads to ignorance.... It is same i say, I know some of atheists/agnostic swho chase ignorance.... I would be great dishonest in blaming the society of atheist for crime of just one or two ignorant atheists..... That's what you do in the name of justice... See muslim are human.... They aren't angels.... They also can be corrupted by worldly desires... It isn't because of Islam, it is because they lack true spirit of islam.... They prefer their desires than of Islma...
    yeah, because no one has ever been put to death because of the laws of Islam. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    You create your own stories---your own beliefs which torches your own reasons to believe, what you prefer to believe.... No one will know, you with your revelations ever existed on earth.... The doctrine that all things came out of non intelligence is in complete balance with the savagery of the folks who created the orthodox creeds. No educated men ever believed in this dogma...This dogma is as cruel as the hunger of hyenas....you cling to the dogma because it seemed a necessary excuse for your existence.....
    :rolleyes:

    Science isn't a religion. Please let that sink into that skull of yours. Just because you have religious myths that attempt to explain the origins of things, doesn't mean every other idea has to be labelled a religious idea.
    In old times, when people were also wild animals , it was natural enough for them to believe in mythology.... but i don't know what makes people to believe in mythology in modern times.... like the materialistic evolution
    You don't even try to understand what science is, do you? :(:(

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5003
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dead one wrote: »
    A women is garland of chastity, modesty and decency.... She is beautiful in this form, If her education removes this garland from her body... Then her body can dim the light in the society....
    I see what you mean! Best to burn the school and threaten to murder the students:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541561/Taliban-campaign-targets-girls-schools.html
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/28/taliban-takes-battle-to-schools/?page=all#pagebreak
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7543559.stm

    Can't have girls going around educating themselves in case they develop minds of their own, eh?


  • #5004
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    koth wrote: »
    No it doesn't, it proves the existence of companies that manufacture ovens.
    So, i am happy you didn't say, ovens came out of nothing.... Or ovens are result of chances..... or the companies which create oven randomly appear in time and space ..... Don't you see, intelligence behind ovens... open your eyeseek.gif and roll your eyesrolleyes.gif
    koth wrote: »
    One word for you, photosynthesis.
    herbs use photosynthesis to convert the raw sun energy into usable, storable forms (e.g., proteins),
    photosynthesis is itself a complex chemical process--- It's like built-in programs (software)--- Who writes these built in software to process necessary information for life--- you believe it is in non-intelligence source--- which contradicts science? .... and it is greatest mythology--- Evolution is a modern-day myth. No good than Zeus up in the sky, throwing down lightning bolts.....
    koth wrote: »
    Still not understanding science I see. just because something isn't mentioned in your holy book, doesn't make it a myth. If that were the case, Ireland is a myth, as are cars, televisions and even our interaction on this thread.rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
    Science is result of intelligence of human brain..... That's what science suggest.... Now tell what is difficulty in understanding this easy science.....That is the same science which you aren't applying on living things... If you apply this science in broader term you will get the intelligence of God...
    koth wrote: »
    You say everthing needs a creator yet you contradict yourself by saying god created everthing, and god needed no creator.
    creation needs creator... everything in the universe is creation, so it scientific to believe in creator.... You believe in non-intelligence creator which is greater myth...... you believe in non-intelligent god, we believe in intelligent god.... So, where is difference, you make yourself more intelligent than your creator/maker(chances/accidents/materialistic evolutions)... We don't think that we are intelligent than our creator... That's the philosophy whether you admit or not...
    koth wrote: »
    You have made many statements on this site that view women as something to be controlled, so don't act like islam doesn't treat women as second class people.
    No, that not true... A man as a head , should control his family from evils.... If his son violates justice, then he should guide/control him, if his daughters violates the same laws, then he should guide/control him... That's what i have posted in different article.... Suppose, daughter dates with strange men and violate the dignity and honor of family system... then the girl should be controlled.... Suppose son dates with strange women and violates the dignity and honor of family system.... then the son should be control..... Who is in charge, the man.... because he more responsible than of a women toward family affairs... i hope you will get the point...
    koth wrote: »
    More of your negative attitude to womenrolleyes.gif They're not fecking china dolls to be put on the mantle to be admired, they're human beings!!!
    You can't see what is negative or what is positive in corruption...

    koth wrote: »
    Science isn't a religion. Please let that sink into that skull of yours. Just because you have religious myths that attempt to explain the origins of things, doesn't mean every other idea has to be labelled a religious idea.
    Yes i agree Science isn't a religion but when you put venom of your beliefs into pot of sciences then it becomes a religion.... Like materialistic evolutions..


  • #5005
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    robindch wrote: »
    I see what you mean! Best to burn the school and threaten to murder the students:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541561/Taliban-campaign-targets-girls-schools.html
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/28/taliban-takes-battle-to-schools/?page=all#pagebreak
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7543559.stm

    Can't have girls going around educating themselves in case they develop minds of their own, eh?
    ignorance isn't bliss, robindch..... Majority of taliban are uneducated, they learn what they have been taught in the name of religion....... Taliban attitude towards education of women is cultutural issue....... Because they grow in a culture which is hostile towards women.... It isn't because of Islam..... It is because of their culture.... You can't blame islam for their ignorance and by no way they are representatives of Islam that you should pick their example......


  • #5006
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Bill's rant at 3:55 is hilarious

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  • #5007
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    ignorance isn't bliss, robindch..... Majority of taliban are uneducated, they learn what they have been taught in the name of religion....... Taliban attitude towards education of women is cultutural issue....... Because they grow in a culture which is hostile towards women.... It isn't because of Islam..... It is because of their culture.... You can't blame islam for their ignorance and by no way they are representatives of Islam that you should pick their example......
    It's curious though, because countries that undergo an Islamic revolution typically move backwards (see Iran for example) in terms of rights for women. Is a cultural problem in Iran as well?


  • #5008
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    i have no problem if you call this development as evolution.... I have problem when you explain evolution in terms of your religious beliefs....
    Most ironic post on Boards.ie this year?


  • #5009
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dead one wrote: »
    Because they grow in a culture which is hostile towards women.
    And your nasty attitude isn't hostile to women? :confused:


  • #5010
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    dead one wrote: »
    No, that not true... A man as a head , should control his family from evils.... If his son violates justice, then he should guide/control him, if his daughters violates the same laws, then he should guide/control him... That's what i have posted in different article.... Suppose, daughter dates with strange men and violate the dignity and honor of family system... then the girl should be controlled.... Suppose son dates with strange women and violates the dignity and honor of family system.... then the son should be control..... Who is in charge, the man.... because he more responsible than of a women toward family affairs... i hope you will get the point...

    Oh ok.
    Women aren't second-class citizens, they're just not in charge because they can't be trusted with equal responsibility.
    Thanks for clearing that up.


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  • #5011
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    dead one wrote: »
    So, i am happy you didn't say, ovens came out of nothing.... Or ovens are result of chances..... or the companies which create oven randomly appear in time and space ..... Don't you see, intelligence behind ovens... open your eyeseek.gif and roll your eyesrolleyes.gif
    Yes, human intelligence. anything else is just nonsense.
    herbs use photosynthesis to convert the raw sun energy into usable, storable forms (e.g., proteins),
    photosynthesis is itself a complex chemical process--- It's like built-in programs (software)--- Who writes these built in software to process necessary information for life--- you believe it is in non-intelligence source--- which contradicts science? .... and it is greatest mythology--- Evolution is a modern-day myth. No good than Zeus up in the sky, throwing down lightning bolts.....
    Nope, to the best of knowledge, my dismissing creationism doesn't contradict science. If anything, creationism contradicts science.
    Science is result of intelligence of human brain..... That's what science suggest.... Now tell what is difficulty in understanding this easy science.....That is the same science which you aren't applying on living things... If you apply this science in broader term you will get the intelligence of God...
    so because I support the idea of evolution, I'm not apply scientific knowledge to the living world? yeah, it's way more scientific to believe an all powerful being that needed no creator, created everything :rolleyes:
    creation needs creator... everything in the universe is creation, so it scientific to believe in creator.... You believe in non-intelligence creator which is greater myth...... you believe in non-intelligent god, we believe in intelligent god.... So, where is difference, you make yourself more intelligent than your creator/maker(chances/accidents/materialistic evolutions)... We don't think that we are intelligent than our creator... That's the philosophy whether you admit or not...
    everything needs a creator, except god. Congratulations on disproving your own creationist viewpoint ;)
    No, that not true... A man as a head , should control his family from evils.... If his son violates justice, then he should guide/control him, if his daughters violates the same laws, then he should guide/control him... That's what i have posted in different article.... Suppose, daughter dates with strange men and violate the dignity and honor of family system... then the girl should be controlled.... Suppose son dates with strange women and violates the dignity and honor of family system.... then the son should be control..... Who is in charge, the man.... because he more responsible than of a women toward family affairs... i hope you will get the point...
    yep, I see that you agree with my assertion that you believe women are to be controlled. You say that men should do the controlling, so therefore women are to be controlled.
    Yes i agree Science isn't a religion but when you put venom of your beliefs into pot of sciences then it becomes a religion.... Like materialistic evolutions..

    You say that science isn't a religion and then say that evolution is a religion. So you don't agree that science isn't a religion by your own words.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5012
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It's curious though, because countries that undergo an Islamic revolution typically move backwards (see Iran for example) in terms of rights for women. Is a cultural problem in Iran as well?
    Iran isn't an Islamic state as outlined by the Quran ...In traditional Islam the Khalifat with the khalifa elected by the public is the benchmark whilst SHIA Islam takes an infallible leader chosen by God as the legal ruler over the Islamic state. To be aware of the true reality of Iran one needs to understand the true integral base of post-revolutionary Iran.... A close view of the Iranian political system and comparison with the early islamic state of Prophet Muhammad will show Iran as very much a human made legislative democracy lounged in an Islamic garb which is against from the Western example only to the degree that it doesnt merged liberal social values in it political culture, it ain't a liberal democracy so to speak. Don't judge Islam by using the example of iran of Afghanistan...
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Most ironic post on Boards.ie this year?
    Sarcasm: the last defence of the truly witless
    robindch wrote: »
    And your nasty attitude isn't hostile to women? :confused:
    Are you woman?.... .. my attitude/teachings aren't hostile towards women, they are hostile towards your desires.... It is your desires to see open women with binkies -- skirts....... I want to see pure women with pure dress... So, robindch, tell what makes your nasty desires hostile to women?:confused::confused::confused::confused:....
    What makes you so blind to accept truth.... :)
    Pygmalion wrote: »
    Oh ok.
    Women aren't second-class citizens, they're just not in charge because they can't be trusted with equal responsibility.
    Thanks for clearing that up.
    believe what you prefer to believe...


  • #5013
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dead one wrote: »
    I want to see pure women with pure dress...
    Why not just wear a black bag over your head?

    Oh, sorry, that's what women have to do.


  • #5014
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Apparently 200 members of the Secular Student Alliance visited the Creation Museum as part of their annual conference ... and P Z Myers flew in one day earlier so that he could visit too ... he even got to ride a Triceratops!!!!



    ... all good clean fun!!!!:)


  • #5015
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Would Really like to hear your thoughts on this

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/dna-meteorites.html
    NASA-funded researchers have evidence that some building blocks of DNA, the molecule that carries the genetic instructions for life, found in meteorites were likely created in space. The research gives support to the theory that a "kit" of ready-made parts created in space and delivered to Earth by meteorite and comet impacts assisted the origin of life.

    "People have been discovering components of DNA in meteorites since the 1960's, but researchers were unsure whether they were really created in space or if instead they came from contamination by terrestrial life," said Dr. Michael Callahan of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "For the first time, we have three lines of evidence that together give us confidence these DNA building blocks actually were created in space." Callahan is lead author of a paper on the discovery appearing in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.

    Seems we could all just be Spacejunk


  • #5016
    Mr. Boo
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Mr. Boo


    Home of the vegetarian T-rex?

    Nothing good and clean about teaching kids that tripe.


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  • #5017
    himnextdoor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭himnextdoor


    papu wrote: »
    Would Really like to hear your thoughts on this

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/dna-meteorites.html



    Seems we could all just be Spacejunk

    Yes, I mentioned this ages ago; cold-loving molecules and heat-loving molecules are present in living organisms.

    Hydrogen, carbon and oxygen, elements one, four and eight were around for a long time before the formation of the solar system. Therefore, organic chemistry was too.

    Add 'phospholipids' and you have a lottery that may well roll over for weeks on end but there was eventually one winner; life.


  • #5018
    himnextdoor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭himnextdoor


    Good luck.

    Over and out.


  • #5019
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Apparently 200 members of the Secular Student Alliance visited the Creation Museum as part of their annual conference ... and P Z Myers flew in one day earlier so that he could visit too ... he even got to ride a Triceratops!!!!



    ... all good clean fun!!!!:)

    Not when they're promoting biblical passages as fact. It might be something of a novelty to see, but telling people that it is a centre for science is extremely dishonest.

    and since you may have missed this earlier in the thread, any chance you could quit ducking and diving and maybe respond to my post, JC?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5020
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    papu wrote: »
    Would Really like to hear your thoughts on this

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/dna-meteorites.html



    Seems we could all just be Spacejunk
    I suppose it makes a change from believing that we are all just Pondjunk!!!:)


  • #5021
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Not when they're promoting biblical passages as fact. It might be something of a novelty to see, but telling people that it is a centre for science is extremely dishonest.
    P Z Myers seemed to thoroughly enjoy himself at the Museum!!!

    He grumbled a little ... but overall a good time was had by all.:)

    ... next stop ... a joint peer-review ... of evolution ... perhaps????


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  • #5022
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Mr. Boo wrote: »
    Home of the vegetarian T-rex?

    Nothing good and clean about teaching kids that tripe.
    Truth ... Mr Boo ... not 'tripe'!!!!:)

    ... and its a very welcome development to see young atheists having their worldviews and comfort zones challenged ... and contributing to the financial success of the Creation Museum !!!

    ... and great to see P Z Myers proving to himself that the Triceratops was intelligently designed to be a transport animal for Humans.:)


  • #5023
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    P Z Myers seemed to thoroughly enjoy himself at the Museum!!!

    He grumbled a little ... but overall a good time was had by all.:)

    ... next stop ... a joint peer-review ... of evolution ... perhaps????

    Evolution has already been peer-reviewed. And visiting a biblical equivalent of Disney-land doesn't mean that the creation myth is now a valid idea explaining the origins of things.

    And I noticed that you avoided responding to the post I've asked you to address yet again

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5024
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    himnextdoor wrote: »
    Yes, I mentioned this ages ago; cold-loving molecules and heat-loving molecules are present in living organisms.

    Hydrogen, carbon and oxygen, elements one, four and eight were around for a long time before the formation of the solar system. Therefore, organic chemistry was too.

    Add 'phospholipids' and you have a lottery that may well roll over for weeks on end but there was eventually one winner; life.
    10^130 are the odds of this particular 'lottery' ... and this is the odds of producing just one functional specific 100 chain protein ... and you still have to produce and organise all of the other proteins and biomolecules required for each living organism!!!

    ... I'd call that an impossibility ... rather than a lottery!!!!:D


  • #5025
    Doc_Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Doc_Savage


    J C wrote: »
    10^130 are the odds of this particular 'lottery' ...
    How did you arrive at this number?


  • #5026
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Evolution has already been peer-reviewed. And visiting a biblical equivalent of Disney-land doesn't mean that the creation myth is now a valid idea explaining the origins of things.

    And I noticed that you avoided responding to the post I've asked you to address yet again
    Evolution has been peer-reviewed by Creation Scientists ... and Evolutionists separately ... but I am proposing that it be jointly peer-reviewed by them.


  • #5027
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Evolution has been peer-reviewed by Creation Scientists ... and Evolutionists separately ... but I am proposing that it be jointly peer-reviewed by them.

    why?? creationists don't even use science to explain the origin of things, they use a holy book. Not very scientific.

    And any idea as to when you'll answer this post?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5028
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    I am proposing that it be jointly peer-reviewed by them.
    Why on earth would a trained scientist who's making some genuine contribution to the sum total of human knowledge want to waste time trying to explain something to some idiot creationist who has no interest in it? And who views the scientist and his/her work as leading directly to the gas chambers of Auschwitz?


  • #5029
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    koth wrote: »
    why?? creationists don't even use science to explain the origin of things, they use a holy book. Not very scientific.

    And any idea as to when you'll answer this post?

    We've seen this behaviour before. Search the other thread for AtomicHorror's list of questions unanswered by J C - he got backed into a corner and, iirc, first avoided the questions (as he's doing with you now), then disappeared for several weeks (so keep it up!), then started spamming the thread with copy-pasted essays in green text, then began claiming that he had comprehensively answered the questions.


  • #5030
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Considering how completely, shamelessly dishonest he's been throughout this thread, and presumably the threads before it, odds are that J C's best tactic to make anyone doubt evolution would be to start backing it.

    Just saying, is all.


  • #5031
    Mr. Boo
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Mr. Boo


    J C wrote: »
    Truth ... Mr Boo ... not 'tripe'!!!!:)

    ... and its a very welcome development to see young atheists having their worldviews and comfort zones challenged ... and contributing to the financial success of the Creation Museum !!!

    ... and great to see P Z Myers proving to himself that the Triceratops was intelligently designed to be a transport animal for Humans.:)

    Really?


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  • #5032
    IrishKnight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭IrishKnight


    koth wrote: »
    And any idea as to when you'll answer this post?

    He did the same with a few of my posts. Nothing odd here, normal enough tacit. Don't know how to answer something? Don't answer it and hope it goes away...


  • #5033
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    IrishKnight wrote: »
    He did the same with a few of my posts. Nothing odd here, normal enough tacit. Don't know how to answer something? Don't answer it and hope it goes away...

    Plus the list of like 5 kinds that he copied from answers in genesis.


  • #5034
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    why?? creationists don't even use science to explain the origin of things, they use a holy book. Not very scientific.

    And any idea as to when you'll answer this post?
    Creation Scientists are conventionally qualified scientists ... and therefore they can, and do, use science to engage in origins research.

    Ironically, it is the evolutionists who are making the wild 'leap of faith' ... when they try to deny the intelligent design of life ... by claiming that it all happened by accident!!!:eek:

    ... and I have already comprehensively answered you about your video ... the one that presents most of the main points against Theistic and Materialistic Evolution ... and doesn't even mention Creation at all.:)
    I've covered it in my posts #4972, #4974, #4978, #4980 and #4981


  • #5035
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Creation Scientists are conventionally qualified scientists ... so they can and do use science to do origins research.

    Ironically, it is the evolutionists who are making the wild 'leap of faith' ... when they try to deny the intelligent design of life ... by claiming that it all happened by accident!!!:eek:
    Sadly you display a lack of understanding as to how science works.

    You don't for example, read a holy book and then start making things up to fit your religious belief. That is the antithesis of what science is.
    ... and I have already comprehensively answered you points about your video ... the one that presents most of the main points against Theistic and Materialistic Evolution ... and doesn't even mention Creation at all.:)

    Afraid not. You have dodged answering this post, please address the points raised in the post.

    And the proof of this is you claiming that it doesn't raise questions about the creationist myth. That is a totally incorrect. So please answer the post I've linked to.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5036
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    Why on earth would a trained scientist who's making some genuine contribution to the sum total of human knowledge want to waste time trying to explain something to some idiot creationist who has no interest in it? And who views the scientist and his/her work as leading directly to the gas chambers of Auschwitz?
    Just think of it as renewing old friendships!!!!:)


  • #5037
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Sadly you display a lack of understanding as to how science works.

    You don't for example, read a holy book and then start making things up to fit your religious belief. That is the antithesis of what science is.
    ... I agree ... you should always know the difference between your science and your faith.
    Creation science evaluates the physical evidence for a worldwide catastrophic Flood Hypothesis ... and the physical evidence for the Complex Functional Specific Information in biological systems and the hypothesis that CFSI can only be produced by intelligence.
    Christian Faith is a belief in the Saving power of Jesus Christ for all sinners who repent and believe on Him.

    Evolutionism is the unfounded belief that Pondkind can spontaneously morph into Mankind with nothing added but time and mistakes.
    As there is no observable evidence for this belief, it is strictly outside of science ... but because some evolutionists have science degrees ... they believe that their relgion is their science ... and sometimes their science is their religion.:)

    koth wrote: »
    Afraid not. You have dodged answering this post, please address the points raised in the post.

    And the proof of this is you claiming that it doesn't raise questions about the creationist myth. That is a totally incorrect. So please answer the post I've linked to.
    The only myths questioned in the video are Evolutionist ones!!!

    Where exactly does the video address young Earth Creationism???


  • #5038
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doc_Savage wrote: »
    How did you arrive at this number?
    Its the number of non-functional permutations of amino acids in a critical 100 chain sequence randomly choosing between the 20 common Amino Acids at each point on the chain.


  • #5039
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... I agree ... you should always know the difference between your science and your faith.
    Creation science evaluates the physical evidence for a worldwide catastrophic Flood Hypothesis ... and the physical evidence for the Complex Functional Specific Information in biological systems and the hypothesis that CFSI can only be produced by intelligence.
    Christian Faith is a belief in the Saving power of Jesus Christ for all sinners who repent and believe on Him.
    Creationism doesn't evaluate anything. It attempts to get people to accept the creation myth as a fact. Thats not science, it's a perversion of science in an attempt to discredit actual science.
    Evolutionism is the unfounded belief that Pondkind can spontaneously morph into Mankind with nothing added but time and mistakes.
    As there is no observable evidence for this belief, it is strictly outside of science ... but because some evolutionists have science degrees ... they believe that their relgion is their science ... and sometimes their science is their religion.:)
    More dishonesty to try and discredit scientific research. Just because you give great importance to your religious beliefs, doesn't mean you can distort science to reassure your faith.
    Where exactly does the video address young Earth Creationism???

    So now you won't even read the post I'm linking to?

    The post I've been linking to explains how it addresses ALL creationists. Please respond to the post I've linked to.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5040
    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    I cant believe there are over 5000 posts on something so bloody obvious


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  • #5041
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    D1stant wrote: »
    I cant believe there are over 5000 posts on something so bloody obvious
    Yes it does seem quite obvious, that if you require the appliance of intelligence to produce something relatively simple, like a bicycle, for example, it requires the appliance of infinitely greater intelligence to produce something infinitely more complex, like a living organism!!!

    ... but, of course, there are none as blind as those who will not see!!!


  • #5042
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    The post I've been linking to explains how it addresses ALL creationists. Please respond to the post I've linked to.
    I've had enough of your lies about me ... so come on and tell us all where exactly your posted video addresses Young Earth Creationism?
    Time reference please?


  • #5043
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:
    Originally Posted by J C
    Evolution has been peer-reviewed by Creation Scientists ... and Evolutionists separately ... but I am proposing that it be jointly peer-reviewed by them.

    koth
    why??
    ... chicken ... you really ARE scared by the prospect of some robust peer review of the wilder claims of Evolutionism!!!!:D

    ... so that's why all those young atheists came to the Creation Museum ... laughing nervously ... as they studied the exhibits.


  • #5044
    Doc_Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Doc_Savage


    stop sidestepping JC!

    young and old earth creationism both require the possibility of a creator... therefore by addressing the creator topic the video addresses both...

    duh!:pac:


  • #5045
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    I've had enough of your lies about me ... so come on and tell us all where exactly your posted video addresses Young Earth Creationism?
    Time reference please?

    Well you do yourself no favours when you avoid answering the post I've linked to multiple times.

    You clearly haven't read the post I've linked to, or you wouldn't have to ask where in the video it addresses creationism.

    Let's try this one more time.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5046
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doc_Savage wrote: »
    stop sidestepping JC!

    young and old earth creationism both require the possibility of a creator... therefore by addressing the creator topic the video addresses both...

    duh!:pac:
    I disagree with Theistic Evolutionists even more than I do with the Materialists ... they have all of the scientific error of Materialistic Evolutionists ... and more!!!

    ... so where exactly does the video say anything with which I would disagree with, as a Young Earth Creationist???


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  • #5047
    Doc_Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Doc_Savage


    J C wrote: »
    I disagree with Theistic Evolutionists even more than I do with the Materialists ... they have all of the scientific error of Materialistic Evolutionists ... and more!!!

    ... so where exactly does the video say anything with which I would disagree with, as a Young Earth Creationist???

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  • #5048
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Well you do yourself no favours when you avoid answering the post I've linked to multiple times.

    You clearly haven't read the post I've linked to, or you wouldn't have to ask where in the video it addresses creationism.

    Let's try this one more time.
    Its your posted video ... and I am in agreement with much of what the young lady featured in it has to say about Theistic Evolutionists.

    What more can I say ... except that you need to remove that 'buckshot' from your foot ... but you will need to take the foot out of your mouth first!!!!:eek::):D


  • #5049
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... chicken ... you really ARE scared by the prospect of some robust peer review of the wilder claims of Evolutionism!!!!:D
    J C wrote: »
    Its your posted video ... and I am in agreement with much of what the young lady featured in it has to say about Theistic Evolutionists.

    What more can I say ... except that you need to remove that 'buckshot' from your foot ... but you will need to take the foot out of your mouth first!!!!:eek::):D

    name-calling and evasive, but still no response.

    Maybe now you'll address this post

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5050
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    name-calling and evasive, but still no response.
    Typical Evolutionist carry-on on this thread!!!


  • #5051
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Typical Evolutionist carry-on on this thread!!!

    In your own good time, JC ;)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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