LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

TireeTerror · 06-08-2013 11:54pm

Its more economical that the 4.0. Thats what I was comparing.

Im Scottish, I dont pay such ridiculous VRT charges, why on earth would I pay what is a complete and utter scam? The Governments warn us about being conned by bogus conmen all the time, when here they are doing it in the daylight. Disgusting.

unkel · 06-08-2013 11:54pm

TireeTerror wrote: »

In all honesty Ive kind of made a bit of a mistake here. Im from Scotland, so I always use the UK sites a lot. Its way cheaper over there

No problem dude

useless · 07-08-2013 8:54am

TireeTerror wrote: »

Im Scottish, I dont pay such ridiculous VRT charges, why on earth would I pay what is a complete and utter scam? The Governments warn us about being conned by bogus conmen all the time, when here they are doing it in the daylight. Disgusting.

OK, if we're comparing like with like, and say that you're buying a car in Scotland, that 3.0TDI on donedeal is asking 8k euro, minus a VRT rebate of 3456 euro, so the asking price becomes 4544 euro or approx 3750 stg.
That's a lot of car for the money!

_Kaiser_ · 07-08-2013 9:07am

TireeTerror wrote: »

That seems very very expensive for an A8. The mileage is sky high too, for that money you could get a 2006 model with half the miles and with the facelift which brings it right up to date.

Now Now play nice

That's a Boardsie's car if I remember right.

He PM'd me as a possible swap when I was looking at A6's. Nice car in all fairness and the price seems about right, but I prefer the facelift look myself.

Sobanek · 11-08-2013 5:34pm

Oomph! That's one hell of a luxobarge!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8/5440085

3350 for a D3 A8. Incredible.

One of the Chinese dictator's favourite (next to the W140)

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bmw-750-classic-car-automatic/5480799

€2,950. Not a chance I'd pay that, but €2,5k

One of my all time favourites: The W126 SEC.
4699677

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-sec-420/4699677
Not too bad at 3k.

And now, every Japanese/Chinese, asian dictator's car: The W140 S600. V12 Goodness.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/s600-w140-mercedes-6liter-v12/5448330
Not the best colour and no NCT, but has been dry storaged so shouldn't need that much. The seller doesn't even want much cash for it. €2k (I'd say €1.5k with a bit of bargaining) and it's all yours. Throw in a black wrap for €600 (or there abouts) and you got your own dictator's car for peanuts!

L-M · 11-08-2013 7:12pm

Thats really not worth its weight in scrap unless it was being driven/tested.

Sobanek · 11-08-2013 7:12pm

Which, the S600? These have the V12s. Unlike BMW's, these truly were bulletproof. Better than the V8s.

L-M · 11-08-2013 7:25pm

Seeing as the NCT isnt a test of the engine I was more refering to perishable and wearable components which im sure are far from cheap on a big girl like that.

Plus its green.

Sobanek · 11-08-2013 7:39pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Seeing as the NCT isnt a test of the engine I was more refering to perishable and wearable components which im sure are far from cheap on a big girl like that.

Plus its green.

That's just nitpicking

It's a large, executive luxury car with a V12 in it. I admit, the colour isn't much of a luxobarge colour, but still, it definitely qualifies as such, and costs peanuts!

I know most Irish would probably go to an Authorised Mercedes Benz Mechanic, but I'm pretty sure Johnny from Donnybrook, who's got his garage would fix it cheaper and just as well.

I just checked out of wonder for some parts and brake discs for this car are cheaper than the ones for a Volvo V50...

TireeTerror · 11-08-2013 10:37pm

useless wrote: »

OK, if we're comparing like with like, and say that you're buying a car in Scotland, that 3.0TDI on donedeal is asking 8k euro, minus a VRT rebate of 3456 euro, so the asking price becomes 4544 euro or approx 3750 stg.
That's a lot of car for the money!

Whats this VRT rebate?

ba_barabus · 11-08-2013 10:48pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Seeing as the NCT isnt a test of the engine I was more refering to perishable and wearable components which im sure are far from cheap on a big girl like that.

Plus its green.

I have to agree

unkel · 11-08-2013 11:36pm

'03 BMW 745i 63k miles €3,999

No tax / test obviously at that price

bear1 · 12-08-2013 3:06pm

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-bmw-728i-huge-spec-only-70k-mls/4900028

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-735-look-bargin-like-new-spotless/5085291

Redsoxfan · 12-08-2013 3:56pm

unkel wrote: »

'03 BMW 745i 63k miles €3,999

No tax / test obviously at that price

Second time in an ad in this thread I've seen the line 'Ideal for export' - are they referring to the fact that the car is worth more overseas or a buyer can get the VRT rebate if you export it?

Sobanek · 19-08-2013 7:13pm

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-735i-m-sport-sale-swap/5382685

Oooh, E38 with V8 powaaaah

All yours for less than 3k. And it's got a decent amount of test.

Sofiztikated · 19-08-2013 8:04pm

unkel wrote: »

'03 BMW 745i 63k miles €3,999

No tax / test obviously at that price

Thats a really nice bus, but it's the strangest advert I've seen in a while.

L-M · 19-08-2013 8:22pm

Its just Del boys eastern European cousin.

Matt Simis · 19-08-2013 8:28pm

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Second time in an ad in this thread I've seen the line 'Ideal for export' - are they referring to the fact that the car is worth more overseas or a buyer can get the VRT rebate if you export it?

The buyer doesnt get a VRT Rebate, the seller does as the car is no longer registered here in their name and they are marking it as exported. Obviously someone could sell a car here to someone else (who registers it in their own name in Ireland) that is going to export the car to some other country later, but thats a different arrangement.

The point of the VRT rebate was to allow Irish cars to be sold for export, previously the VRT component made our cars sometimes unexportable due to overpricing.

unkel · 19-08-2013 8:33pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Thats a really nice bus, but it's the strangest advert I've seen in a while.

He didn't sell it yet, so the price is now....

...upped to €4,250 :rolleyes:

Sofiztikated · 19-08-2013 8:35pm

unkel wrote: »

He didn't sell it yet, so the price is now....

...upped to €4,250 :rolleyes:

That's what I mean. It's just strange. Maybe he's had a flurry of calls, and think's it's worth more. Or is he collecting mobile numbers?

useless · 19-08-2013 9:07pm

TireeTerror wrote: »

Whats this VRT rebate?

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

If you export a car from Ireland to the UK or wherever, you can get a refund of some of the VRT paid on the car when it was first registered.

Funny how the VRT chargeable on an import is a lot higher than the refund calculated on the same car for export...

unkel · 19-08-2013 9:23pm

useless wrote: »

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

If you export a car from Ireland to the UK or wherever, you can get a refund of some of the VRT paid on the car when it was first registered.

The VRT originally paid on the actual car? Or just based on the OMSP the car has now?

useless wrote: »

Funny how the VRT chargeable on an import is a lot higher than the refund calculated on the same car for export...

The calculator uses the same VRT amount, but it deducts €500 as an Export Admin Fee (I've tried it)

Scortho · 19-08-2013 9:25pm

And the car had to have an open market selling price over 2000

useless · 19-08-2013 9:57pm

unkel wrote: »

The VRT originally paid on the actual car? Or just based on the OMSP the car has now?

The calculator uses the same VRT amount, but it deducts €500 as an Export Admin Fee (I've tried it)

VRT is paid at registration, and it's only registered once, so it's semantics really. The VRT rebate is as you say, calculated as a % of the Revenue-determined OMSP -which may or may not be in the realm of reality, but that's another issue.

Didn't know about the admin fee being the difference - thx for that

unkel · 19-08-2013 10:01pm

useless wrote: »

VRT is paid at registration, and it's only registered once, so it's semantics really.

Not in my case!

The previous owner of my car paid VRT when he imported it from the UK. But he paid far less than what he should have paid. I got a quote in an email from the VRO looking for double the amount of VRT!

My car is not on the calculator, so the quotes are very much hit and miss...

If I got a rebate based on the VRT on the current OMSP of my car, I'd consider exporting it. If it was based on what the previous owner paid, I won't bother...

Matt Simis · 19-08-2013 11:04pm

useless wrote: »

VRT is paid at registration, and it's only registered once, so it's semantics really. The VRT rebate is as you say, calculated as a % of the Revenue-determined OMSP -which may or may not be in the realm of reality, but that's another issue.

Well its not really, the value is based on the OMSP. During the past 5year period, OMSP could have been higher or lower for that actual initial VRT import charge. If people go around thinking its something to do with what was "actually paid" then they are in for nasty surprises.

VRT import and export is based on Revenue's OMSP, which is to say its based on wind direction.

Esel · 20-08-2013 12:29am

Scortho wrote: »

And the car had to have an open market selling price over 2000

When charging VRT, the minimum OMSP they will apply to any car is €2000.

I can't see how it is fair (or transparent) for them to allocate a lesser OMSP to a car for which a VRT refund is being sought.

I know - who said they were fair? But it should be transparent.

MaxFlower · 29-08-2013 11:18pm

Looks ok but no mention of NCT

2003 BMW 735i

Sobanek · 29-08-2013 11:27pm

NCT until March 2014 on that 735i.

Voodoomelon · 30-08-2013 1:34am

Would you find a cheaper 7 series of that miles and year with test anywhere else in the world? If only it wasn't so hideous.

L-M · 30-08-2013 8:38am

I wouldn't call that shape hideous, a nice set of wheels and it would be a nice motor.

unkel · 30-08-2013 9:16am

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Would you find a cheaper 7 series of that miles and year with test anywhere else in the world?

Probably not. There must be money in buying cars like this, exporting them to the UK and claiming the VRT rebate

Matt Simis · 30-08-2013 12:15pm

unkel wrote: »

Probably not. There must be money in buying cars like this, exporting them to the UK and claiming the VRT rebate

VRT rebate is €1227, stat code: 41285212, OMSP: €4799

Scortho · 30-08-2013 12:16pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

VRT rebate is €1227, stat code: 41285212, OMSP: €4799

Hmmm

bear1 · 30-08-2013 12:43pm

Export them to Poland or other Eastern European countries and you will get even more money

Sobanek · 30-08-2013 12:47pm

bear1 wrote: »

Export them to Poland or other Eastern European countries and you will get even more money

False. RHD cars aren't that desirable in Poland. Conversion to LHD for this would cost about €3,000 (on proper parts) + the registration cost (18.6% of the value on the receipt). Not good enough.

And of course there's a 10% value decrease since the car was originally RHD. Decent option for someone going back to Poland, not good enough to sell from here.

If the person was to sell the car here, the potential buyer would have to spend 23k PLN on the car + taxes + transport. Then comes the conversion for around 10-12k which means it's going to be about 33-35k. You can get these for 31k already in Poland in the 745 form.

http://allegro.pl/bmw-735i-gaz-sekwencja-logic7-okazja-i3496532169.html - Here's a 2002 735i with 110k miles and an LPG conversion. Less than 30k.

Voodoomelon · 30-08-2013 12:56pm

Limerick man wrote: »

I wouldn't call that shape hideous, a nice set of wheels and it would be a nice motor.

The shape no, but the details like the face of the rear end and those headlights disgust me, '05 the facelift is worlds apart in my eyes.

L-M · 30-08-2013 1:29pm

Like most facelifts to be fair

(Bar the 95 with the chrome sunglasses)

bear1 · 30-08-2013 2:47pm

Sobanek wrote: »

False. RHD cars aren't that desirable in Poland. Conversion to LHD for this would cost about €3,000 (on proper parts) + the registration cost (18.6% of the value on the receipt). Not good enough.

And of course there's a 10% value decrease since the car was originally RHD. Decent option for someone going back to Poland, not good enough to sell from here.

If the person was to sell the car here, the potential buyer would have to spend 23k PLN on the car + taxes + transport. Then comes the conversion for around 10-12k which means it's going to be about 33-35k. You can get these for 31k already in Poland in the 745 form.

http://allegro.pl/bmw-735i-gaz-sekwencja-logic7-okazja-i3496532169.html - Here's a 2002 735i with 110k miles and an LPG conversion. Less than 30k.

I heard that the law is to be change as it impedes free-trade. So once they cange the law then it becomes a different story

rocky · 30-08-2013 5:53pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

VRT rebate is €1227, stat code: 41285212, OMSP: €4799

minus 500 admin charge

lomb · 30-08-2013 6:19pm

unkel wrote: »

Probably not. There must be money in buying cars like this, exporting them to the UK and claiming the VRT rebate

People are already doing this but not on yokes that are worth nothing here or in the UK. There is a dealer near me that loaded about 5 Irish Range Rovers 2006-2008 onto a UK registered transporter obviously for export. It costs big money to run a business/transport things/resell things and no one is going to do it for peanuts when so many people are taking from it.

unkel · 30-08-2013 7:40pm

rocky wrote: »

minus 500 admin charge

That's already minus the 500 admin charge

OMSP 4799 * VRT 36% = 1727

Sobanek · 04-09-2013 5:20pm

Speaking of A8s...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-quattro-3-7/5602437

No mention of NCT, and can't check since the reg is hidden. But then it's a lot of car for €2,990.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/02-745li-limusine/5620273

Proper limo as it's the Li model. No NCT on it, but looks clean enough, so shouldn't be a problem. And it's a good "why don't you lower the price" factor

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-xjr-new-nct/5574270

A lot of Jaaaaaaag

for not a lot of money, especially since it's the XJR. Freshly NCT'd as well.

L-M · 09-09-2013 7:10pm

Less than 10 year old S500 for €2,950 :eek:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s-500-2004/5331628

Full?id=23004663

Idbatterim · 09-09-2013 7:56pm

Less than 10 year old S500 for €2,950

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sal...0-2004/5331628

thats is actually laughably cheap! only in Ireland! Only thing Id say is, the 7 series of that era (the 02+ version) look a lot more current internally than the S class there, which was a good few years into that model I assume...

ofcork · 09-09-2013 7:59pm

That shape s class was launched in 99 and didn't really change during its life,first car to have indicators in the mirrors I believe.

L-M · 09-09-2013 8:00pm

The Father waited in 04 to get his Indicators in the mirrors in his Passat.

Anywho, probably dated enough but very "Merc" of the era.

unkel · 09-09-2013 9:23pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Less than 10 year old S500 for €2,950 :eek:

Incredible stuff :eek:

Only in Ireland that a 9 year old S500 is worth a lot less than a 9 year old boggo C180...

L-M · 09-09-2013 9:27pm

Hilarious really.

daRobot · 09-09-2013 9:50pm

That S class is a facelift model aswell, with a load of revisions which help reliability. Serious bargain.

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