Sky broadband launches in Ireland

steps_3314 · 21-09-2012 10:59am

I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

So I am thinking this is a strategic move on the back of the sky announcement in July. They most likely feel they will lose 1000's of customers to Sky providing Sky can provide a great service at a great price.

Any thoughts on this.

If the contract with Vodafone was 1 years I would have signed up and I explained this to the caller. He said he does not understand why the contract was 18 months as they are usually just 12 months.

maynooth_rules · 21-09-2012 11:12am

steps_3314 wrote: »

I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

So I am thinking this is a strategic move on the back of the sky announcement in July. They most likely feel they will lose 1000's of customers to Sky providing Sky can provide a great service at a great price.

Any thoughts on this.

If the contract with Vodafone was 1 years I would have signed up and I explained this to the caller. He said he does not understand why the contract was 18 months as they are usually just 12 months.

I had the same worry when vodafone rang this morning and voived it that I wasnt happy signing for 18 months rather than 12. I still was talked into the 18 month contract though. Glad not to be paying for a phone I dont need and i really cant see Sky being much cheaper unless you are with Sky TV, which im not.

steps_3314 · 21-09-2012 11:40am

It's a good deal alright...30 euros for a 24MB line including line rental.

I am a sky customer (full package) so might hold off a bit longer

maynooth_rules · 21-09-2012 12:09pm

steps_3314 wrote: »

It's a good deal alright...30 euros for a 24MB line including line rental.

I am a sky customer (full package) so might hold off a bit longer

I can only get 12 mb max in my area :mad:. The only small issue is the 15gb limit. I am usually around the 13-14 gb mark after a month so i have to be careful

Solair · 21-09-2012 12:43pm

The problem is that it renders voip and other services useless if you've alow uploads and high pings. For anyone working from home or small businesses dependent on it, it means uploading large documents becomes painfully slow too and it renders cloud services useless.

watty · 21-09-2012 5:52pm

steps_3314 wrote: »

30 euros for a[n UP TO] 24MB line including line rental.

Less than 5 to 10% of lines can get that even if the exchange is enabled for it.

Kristopherus · 21-09-2012 6:07pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

my contract with Eircom is up but I have not heard from Sky after registering. They said they would have a broadband product by year end, its September and they should be at least be posting likely speeds/price

I was talking to a $ky rep the other day & I asked about their broadband roll-out. She said it will be introduced in early Nov. And existing $ky customers will be getting letters from mid-Oct.

aindriu80 · 21-09-2012 9:58pm

steps_3314 wrote: »

I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

i don't see that on the vodafone website ? You were offered a 24mb package for €10 less than the €40 you spend each month ? Is there a low cap ?

Kristopherus wrote: »

I was talking to a $ky rep the other day & I asked about their broadband roll-out. She said it will be introduced in early Nov. And existing $ky customers will be getting letters from mid-Oct.

Awesome ! I was wondering what their plans and services would be.

Broadband is still too expensive in this country and hopefully at some stage price can be broken

Solair · 21-09-2012 10:20pm

watty wrote: »

Less than 5 to 10% of lines can get that even if the exchange is enabled for it.

That's not unique to eircom though. It's just the nature of the tech. You'd need to be almost living IN the exchange to get 24mbit/s on ADSL2+

maynooth_rules · 22-09-2012 10:54am

i don't see that on the vodafone website ? You were offered a 24mb package for €10 less than the €40 you spend each month ? Is there a low cap ?

The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 1:02pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/

Thanks for posting that. I got on the phone to them and they offered me 165GB limit 24MB line for €37.98/month which is cheaper and faster to €52.63/month 8MB no cap with Eircom. I never have went over 80gb/month in the last 12 months.

I guess it depends on what Sky can offer

watty · 22-09-2012 7:37pm

It's DSL, so it's UP TO. Less than 10%, maybe less than 5% of people will get that speed. When is Comreg and ASAI and NCA going to force advertising that isn't totally misleading? You might see no difference in speed at all.

Also beware of Bundled (i.e. Need Sky pay TV or Vodafone Mobile) or Introductory offers (special price is only 6 months).

There is lip service to the concept of Consumer Protection and Enforcement of the law in this country.

watty · 22-09-2012 7:40pm

Solair wrote: »

That's not unique to eircom though. It's just the nature of the tech. You'd need to be almost living IN the exchange to get 24mbit/s on ADSL2+

Exactly my point. It won't magically be better because it's Sky or Vodafone selling it.

LLU is 10 years too late. ADSL2+ was rolled out too slow and too late. Only fibre makes sense now, at a minimum to the local street cabinet.

Eircom was promoting ISDN as "high speed" when they should have already had everywhere with DSL and LLU unbundling should have already existed. They were upgrading to ADSL2+ and arguing about LLU pricing when they should have been Planning FTTC. But the fault is the Regulation, (Financial allowing the Leveraged Buyouts and asset stripping and Comms, allowing increases to over €20 instead of a decrease to €5 for line rental which would have killed the Leveraged buyouts).

So the Sky entry is NOTHING about improving competition, prices or Broadband in any significant way, purely about competing on Bundles with UPC to avoid loosing more TV subscribers to them.

bealtine · 22-09-2012 7:43pm

watty wrote: »

There is lip service to the concept of Consumer Protection and Enforcement of the law in this country.

consumers are an inconvience to business here that's all. Business would be much better run if it didn't have to deal with the public, like banks do just ignore the laws and do whatever they want

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 7:47pm

well I am pretty fortunate as my line is pretty close to the exchange and I usually get satisfactory speeds so I was really thinking of the price and cap.

The price here for anything phone or broadband related is still too high. There should be some price drops in line rental or actual broadband packages. Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.

bealtine · 22-09-2012 7:53pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.

There will be absolutely NO change in coverage...if eircom aren't there then that's it no coverage

PogMoThoin · 22-09-2012 7:54pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

well I am pretty fortunate as my line is pretty close to the exchange and I usually get satisfactory speeds so I was really thinking of the price and cap.

The price here for anything phone or broadband related is still too high. There should be some price drops in line rental or actual broadband packages. Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.

But Sky entering the market will do nothing to reduce line rental, this isn't set by Eircom, but by the regulator

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 7:56pm

bealtine wrote: »

There will be absolutely NO change in coverage...if eircom aren't there then that's it no coverage

Sky are going ahead with BT and said they would have 100% coverage from day 1. It was on a radio show. I can't see anyone else entering the Irish market that will or can drive competition.

But Sky entering the market will do nothing to reduce line rental, this isn't set by Eircom, but by the regulator

hmm.. Sky is with BT but I don't know if it still means LLU or some other mechanism.

PogMoThoin · 22-09-2012 7:59pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

hmm.. Sky is with BT but I don't know if it still means LLU or some other mechanism.

LLU has line rental too, the lines are owned by Eircom

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 8:21pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

LLU has line rental too, the lines are owned by Eircom

yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.

bealtine · 22-09-2012 8:26pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.

Keep waiting:)
LLU is only available from what 80+ exchanges out of 1200. So NO change there most certainly NOT 100% coverage. Line rental is always payable and is set by the regulator at E26+, so NO change there. The only change might be a few euros on the retail price but don't hold your breath.

PogMoThoin · 22-09-2012 8:31pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.

Competition to who?

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 8:32pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Competition to who?

Eircom (who I am with). They are too expensive (but good)

PogMoThoin · 22-09-2012 8:38pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

Eircom (who I am with). They are too expensive (but good)

You don't get it, do you? It's not competition, Eircom own the lines, therefore they make money on both the reselling of Eircom bitstream and LLU packages. Besides that Eircom cannot drop their line rental price as it's set by the regulator.It's win, win for Eircom

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 8:42pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

You don't get it, do you? It's not competition, Eircom own the lines, therefore they make money on both the reselling of Eircom bitstream and LLU packages. Besides that Eircom cannot drop their line rental price as it's set by the regulator.

its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.

bealtine · 22-09-2012 8:47pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.

It should be pretty simple for you to grasp, the prices are already set by the regulator and Sky have little or no wriggle room, unless they sell at a loss.
So stop expecting something that's unlikely to happen...sorry

PogMoThoin · 22-09-2012 8:47pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.

But dsl broadband prices can't really get much lower while the line rental fee is set by the regulator. Vodafone are already selling it at a loss. The only ones benefiting here will be the people who sign up to bundles. This sort of competition does nothing.

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 8:48pm

bealtine wrote: »

It should be pretty simple for you to grasp, the prices are already set by the regulator and Sky have little or no wriggle room, unless they sell at a loss.
So stop expecting something that's unlikely to happen...sorry

hey thanks for the advice

I can read the newspaper btw

helimachoptor · 22-09-2012 8:52pm

Vf sell at a loss/no gain in order to get people onto their mobile products where they make margin.

aindriu80 · 22-09-2012 8:54pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Vf sell at a loss/no gain in order to get people onto their mobile products where they make margin.

there were offering me a €2 discount if I was with their mobile. Not much

bealtine · 22-09-2012 11:52pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

hey thanks for the advice I can read the newspaper btw

If you can read you should try comprehension as well...

The newspapers are notorious for inaccuracies especially when they just regurgitate marketing nonsense like your claim of 100% coverage for DSL.

Sure broadband is expensive here, we all know that, but as everybody in this thread is saying Sky is not going to create any sort of competition like you expect. You might get a few euros off but that's it.

aindriu80 · 23-09-2012 10:13am

bealtine wrote: »

If you can read you should try comprehension as well...

The newspapers are notorious for inaccuracies especially when they just regurgitate marketing nonsense like your claim of 100% coverage for DSL.

Sure broadband is expensive here, we all know that, but as everybody in this thread is saying Sky is not going to create any sort of competition like you expect. You might get a few euros off but that's it.

Words of wisdom, priceless thanks so much !!!

:D:D:D

helimachoptor · 23-09-2012 10:15am

aindriu80 wrote: »

Words of wisdom, priceless thanks so much !!! :D:D:D

Your sarcasm only betrays the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

aindriu80 · 23-09-2012 10:17am

helimachoptor wrote: »

Your sarcasm only betrays the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

About broadband, prices, availability, competition etc... Nope I do not.

cgarvey · 24-09-2012 1:43pm

Stick to the topic in hand, and leave out the insults, please (both sides!).

Capt'n Midnight · 25-09-2012 7:57pm

watty wrote: »

If you cancel UPC TV you get basically no TV (maybe some poor quality analogue channels that are perfect on Aerial or Dish for free).

In Dublin the non FTA channels you get are more or less

Discovery - only factual thing left is old WWII docu's and you'll see similar on Channel 5 and free movie channels
Sky one - much of this is free to air on SKY's
- you can get your star trek fix on CBS , horror channel are showing FireFly
The comedy channel - Lee Evans repeats.
Living - moving wallpaper
MTV - there are FTA music channels, but if you like music then look at the Hotbird satellite too

http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-you-get/our-channels

maynooth_rules wrote: »

The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/

It's not broadband but by comparison. http://www.o2online.ie/o2/shop/student/?cm_sp=shop-_-HEAnet-_-HP-Banner%201 Students can get 15GB for €9.99 a month on a 3G dongle. Additional use after allowance only €0.001 per MB

Hogzy · 26-09-2012 12:05pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Discovery - only factual thing left is old WWII docu's and you'll see similar on Channel 5 and free movie channels
Sky one - much of this is free to air on SKY's
- you can get your star trek fix on CBS , horror channel are showing FireFly
The comedy channel - Lee Evans repeats.
Living - moving wallpaper
MTV - there are FTA music channels, but if you like music then look at the Hotbird satellite too

Most biased load of crap iv ever read.

aindriu80 · 28-09-2012 3:12pm

got this email today, interesting to see what Sky will offer

Sky Broadband and Talk services are coming to Ireland
Hello,

Thank you for registering your interest in Sky's Broadband and Talk services in Ireland.

We're busy working on making sure we can offer you a great value broadband service backed up with the levels of customer service you'd expect from Sky.

In the coming weeks we will keep you updated by email on the timings and availability of the Broadband and Talk services in your area, and we'll make sure that you are among the first to hear about our pricing and package options as soon as they are announced.

Best regards,

The Sky Ireland Team

Hogzy · 28-09-2012 3:14pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

got this email today, interesting to see what Sky will offer

Take that with a pinch of salt. Pricing will be released to everyone at the same time.

Mellio · 28-09-2012 3:32pm

I think as mentioned sky are just getting a bundle together to give upc some sense of competition albeit a false one in the hope it will entice people back or to Sky with just the one bill.

If they were interested in offering people a good deal they would have done it by now on there tv packages instead of charging extortionate prices for sports channels, multiroom and HD content.

Either way even if they bring the price down to 60 or less for a basic package you will still not get as minimum:

25mb broadband
ESPN
HD Channels

Unless you pay more on top.

The offer would have to be pretty good for me to change from UPC. Only time will tell, I wouldnt hold your breath though.

Hogzy · 28-09-2012 3:45pm

Mellio wrote: »

I think as mentioned sky are just getting a bundle together to give upc some sense of competition albeit a false one in the hope it will entice people back or to Sky with just the one bill.

If they were interested in offering people a good deal they would have done it by now on there tv packages instead of charging extortionate prices for sports channels, multiroom and HD content.

Either way even if they bring the price down to 60 or less for a basic package you will still not get as minimum:
25mb broadband

ESPN

HD Channels

Unless you pay more on top.

The offer would have to be pretty good for me to change from UPC. Only time will tell, I wouldnt hold your breath though.

Don't you have to pay UPC for HD aswell?

Mellio · 28-09-2012 4:56pm

Hogzy wrote: »

Don't you have to pay UPC for HD aswell?

Yes but not €15 a month.

I pay €5 a month for a HD+ box.

I also get ESPN HD with this deal where as sky you either have to pay
€16 a month for ESPN or take out sky sports for €33 a month just to get it.

Throw in the €15 a month for Multi room and sky is getting more expensive by the second.

No brainer for me.

aindriu80 · 16-10-2012 1:55pm

Sky launches on-demand TV, promises broadband soon
12:44, 16 October 2012 by Adrian Weckler
http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/Sky+launches+on-demand+TV%2C+promises+broadband+soon/id/19410615-5218-507d-471b-34bfe4141037

Sky has launched an on-demand TV service
Sky Ireland has launched an on-demand film and television service with over 6,000 hours of movies and TV series content to be downloaded. It will also soon launch a broadband service.
The on-demand service, which requires a broadband connection of at least 2Mbs to view in high definition, gives access to 500 films on demand and over 100 hours of childrens’ television.
The broadcaster also has a new movie-rental service called Sky Store, with over 1,000 films available to rent through download.
A spokeswoman said that films were available up to ‘full HD’, but that users had to pick the quality they wanted manually. She said that an HD film took between 800 megagybes and 1,000 megabytes (1 gigabyte) of broadband data to view. Standard definition films, she said, take around half that amount.
The broadcaster has also launched a new wireless broadband connection box which links a wifi signal to existing Sky set-top boxes. It has also launched a new set-top box with 2,000 gigabytes of storage, enough to store 600 standard-definition films.
A spokesman said that Sky is hopeful of adding RTE and TV3 player services to its on-demand service in the New Year.
Sky recently signed an exclusive deal to broadcast the Harry Potter series of films.
The spokesman also said that Sky will launch a broadband service in Ireland “in a few weeks’ time”. The service will be based on a deal with BT Ireland, which has over 80 unbundled exchanges through Ireland.

Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.

bealtine · 16-10-2012 2:01pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.

Not officially as it's a closely guarded "commercial" secret...

bealtine · 18-10-2012 3:32pm

aindriu80 wrote: »

Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.

I see IoffL have published a list of LLU exchanges on their website. That should give you an idea of where Sky broadband will be available.

aindriu80 · 19-10-2012 5:29pm

bealtine wrote: »

I see IoffL have published a list of LLU exchanges on their website. That should give you an idea of where Sky broadband will be available.

I see IrelandOffline put up an article over there about it.

I will still be interested in reading what Sky will offer when they finally go with broadband later this month/year. Even if things are looking to be 100% the same.

clohamon · 21-10-2012 2:51pm

The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.

What Sky is after here is bundled packages, a similar strategy to the one that UPC has pursued very successfully over the last 18 months. There seems little reason to doubt that it will work, especially if the company can offer fairly decent broadband speeds (meaning over 10Mbs) for a relatively modest additional monthly fee.
However there is the basic question of it still being a landline solution meaning that it will be limited compared to faster alternatives. Still there's a healthy market for entry-level and mid-tier broadband packages. Sky looks to be onto a winner here.

Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012

dahamsta · 21-10-2012 3:36pm

Gotta hedge those bets, keep the advertisers on board and never be proven wrong.

bealtine · 21-10-2012 4:16pm

clohamon wrote: »

The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.

Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012

Another one that's swallowed to Sky marketing machine nonsense that somehow Sky can wave a magic wand and make "stuff" happen

aindriu80 · 21-10-2012 5:21pm

clohamon wrote: »

The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.

Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012

he doesn't know much else that what has been posted here.

Sky broadband launches in Ireland

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