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Sky broadband launches in Ireland

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  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭steps_3314


    I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

    Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

    So I am thinking this is a strategic move on the back of the sky announcement in July. They most likely feel they will lose 1000's of customers to Sky providing Sky can provide a great service at a great price.

    Any thoughts on this.

    If the contract with Vodafone was 1 years I would have signed up and I explained this to the caller. He said he does not understand why the contract was 18 months as they are usually just 12 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    steps_3314 wrote: »
    I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

    Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

    So I am thinking this is a strategic move on the back of the sky announcement in July. They most likely feel they will lose 1000's of customers to Sky providing Sky can provide a great service at a great price.

    Any thoughts on this.

    If the contract with Vodafone was 1 years I would have signed up and I explained this to the caller. He said he does not understand why the contract was 18 months as they are usually just 12 months.

    I had the same worry when vodafone rang this morning and voived it that I wasnt happy signing for 18 months rather than 12. I still was talked into the 18 month contract though. Glad not to be paying for a phone I dont need and i really cant see Sky being much cheaper unless you are with Sky TV, which im not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭steps_3314


    It's a good deal alright...30 euros for a 24MB line including line rental.

    I am a sky customer (full package) so might hold off a bit longer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    steps_3314 wrote: »
    It's a good deal alright...30 euros for a 24MB line including line rental.

    I am a sky customer (full package) so might hold off a bit longer

    I can only get 12 mb max in my area :mad:. The only small issue is the 15gb limit. I am usually around the 13-14 gb mark after a month so i have to be careful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    The problem is that it renders voip and other services useless if you've alow uploads and high pings. For anyone working from home or small businesses dependent on it, it means uploading large documents becomes painfully slow too and it renders cloud services useless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    steps_3314 wrote: »
    30 euros for a[n UP TO] 24MB line including line rental.

    Less than 5 to 10% of lines can get that even if the exchange is enabled for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    my contract with Eircom is up but I have not heard from Sky after registering. They said they would have a broadband product by year end, its September and they should be at least be posting likely speeds/price

    I was talking to a $ky rep the other day & I asked about their broadband roll-out. She said it will be introduced in early Nov. And existing $ky customers will be getting letters from mid-Oct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    steps_3314 wrote: »
    I have Vodafone broadband at home. It works well to be honest and the cost is 40 euros a months without ever going over 43 (if we make calls outside the package)

    Anyhow i am not in a contract as far as i Understand. Just this morning got a call from Vodafone asking if I was interested in moving to their Broadband only package which is a 24 MB package and 10 euros less. I would have signed up only for the fact that it is an 18 month contract.

    i don't see that on the vodafone website ? You were offered a 24mb package for €10 less than the €40 you spend each month ? Is there a low cap ?


    I was talking to a $ky rep the other day & I asked about their broadband roll-out. She said it will be introduced in early Nov. And existing $ky customers will be getting letters from mid-Oct.
    Awesome ! I was wondering what their plans and services would be.

    Broadband is still too expensive in this country and hopefully at some stage price can be broken


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    watty wrote: »
    Less than 5 to 10% of lines can get that even if the exchange is enabled for it.

    That's not unique to eircom though. It's just the nature of the tech. You'd need to be almost living IN the exchange to get 24mbit/s on ADSL2+


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    i don't see that on the vodafone website ? You were offered a 24mb package for €10 less than the €40 you spend each month ? Is there a low cap ?
    The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

    http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

    http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/

    Thanks for posting that. I got on the phone to them and they offered me 165GB limit 24MB line for €37.98/month which is cheaper and faster to €52.63/month 8MB no cap with Eircom. I never have went over 80gb/month in the last 12 months.

    I guess it depends on what Sky can offer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It's DSL, so it's UP TO. Less than 10%, maybe less than 5% of people will get that speed. When is Comreg and ASAI and NCA going to force advertising that isn't totally misleading? You might see no difference in speed at all.

    Also beware of Bundled (i.e. Need Sky pay TV or Vodafone Mobile) or Introductory offers (special price is only 6 months).

    There is lip service to the concept of Consumer Protection and Enforcement of the law in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Solair wrote: »
    That's not unique to eircom though. It's just the nature of the tech. You'd need to be almost living IN the exchange to get 24mbit/s on ADSL2+

    Exactly my point. It won't magically be better because it's Sky or Vodafone selling it.

    LLU is 10 years too late. ADSL2+ was rolled out too slow and too late. Only fibre makes sense now, at a minimum to the local street cabinet.

    Eircom was promoting ISDN as "high speed" when they should have already had everywhere with DSL and LLU unbundling should have already existed. They were upgrading to ADSL2+ and arguing about LLU pricing when they should have been Planning FTTC. But the fault is the Regulation, (Financial allowing the Leveraged Buyouts and asset stripping and Comms, allowing increases to over €20 instead of a decrease to €5 for line rental which would have killed the Leveraged buyouts).

    So the Sky entry is NOTHING about improving competition, prices or Broadband in any significant way, purely about competing on Bundles with UPC to avoid loosing more TV subscribers to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    watty wrote: »

    There is lip service to the concept of Consumer Protection and Enforcement of the law in this country.

    consumers are an inconvience to business here that's all. Business would be much better run if it didn't have to deal with the public, like banks do just ignore the laws and do whatever they want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    well I am pretty fortunate as my line is pretty close to the exchange and I usually get satisfactory speeds so I was really thinking of the price and cap.

    The price here for anything phone or broadband related is still too high. There should be some price drops in line rental or actual broadband packages. Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.

    There will be absolutely NO change in coverage...if eircom aren't there then that's it no coverage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    well I am pretty fortunate as my line is pretty close to the exchange and I usually get satisfactory speeds so I was really thinking of the price and cap.

    The price here for anything phone or broadband related is still too high. There should be some price drops in line rental or actual broadband packages. Sky isn't going to revolutionise the Irish broadband scene but hopefully it will at least bring cheaper broadband and maybe better coverage.

    But Sky entering the market will do nothing to reduce line rental, this isn't set by Eircom, but by the regulator


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    bealtine wrote: »
    There will be absolutely NO change in coverage...if eircom aren't there then that's it no coverage

    Sky are going ahead with BT and said they would have 100% coverage from day 1. It was on a radio show. I can't see anyone else entering the Irish market that will or can drive competition.
    But Sky entering the market will do nothing to reduce line rental, this isn't set by Eircom, but by the regulator

    hmm.. Sky is with BT but I don't know if it still means LLU or some other mechanism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    hmm.. Sky is with BT but I don't know if it still means LLU or some other mechanism.

    LLU has line rental too, the lines are owned by Eircom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    LLU has line rental too, the lines are owned by Eircom

    yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.

    Keep waiting:)
    LLU is only available from what 80+ exchanges out of 1200. So NO change there most certainly NOT 100% coverage. Line rental is always payable and is set by the regulator at E26+, so NO change there. The only change might be a few euros on the retail price but don't hold your breath.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    yes, hopefully sky will prove some kind of competition. I am waiting till mid October when they are to send out broadband services and prices before I do anything.

    Competition to who?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Competition to who?

    Eircom (who I am with). They are too expensive (but good)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    Eircom (who I am with). They are too expensive (but good)

    You don't get it, do you? It's not competition, Eircom own the lines, therefore they make money on both the reselling of Eircom bitstream and LLU packages. Besides that Eircom cannot drop their line rental price as it's set by the regulator.It's win, win for Eircom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    You don't get it, do you? It's not competition, Eircom own the lines, therefore they make money on both the reselling of Eircom bitstream and LLU packages. Besides that Eircom cannot drop their line rental price as it's set by the regulator.

    its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.

    It should be pretty simple for you to grasp, the prices are already set by the regulator and Sky have little or no wriggle room, unless they sell at a loss.
    So stop expecting something that's unlikely to happen...sorry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    its pretty simple, broadband prices here are too high. I am just on the look out for a cheaper alternative if that is at all possible. I am only talking about waiting to see what Sky come up with for myself than trying to figure the whole Eircom incumbent thing.

    But dsl broadband prices can't really get much lower while the line rental fee is set by the regulator. Vodafone are already selling it at a loss. The only ones benefiting here will be the people who sign up to bundles. This sort of competition does nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    bealtine wrote: »
    It should be pretty simple for you to grasp, the prices are already set by the regulator and Sky have little or no wriggle room, unless they sell at a loss.
    So stop expecting something that's unlikely to happen...sorry

    hey thanks for the advice ;) I can read the newspaper btw


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Vf sell at a loss/no gain in order to get people onto their mobile products where they make margin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    Vf sell at a loss/no gain in order to get people onto their mobile products where they make margin.

    there were offering me a €2 discount if I was with their mobile. Not much :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    hey thanks for the advice ;) I can read the newspaper btw

    If you can read you should try comprehension as well...

    The newspapers are notorious for inaccuracies especially when they just regurgitate marketing nonsense like your claim of 100% coverage for DSL.

    Sure broadband is expensive here, we all know that, but as everybody in this thread is saying Sky is not going to create any sort of competition like you expect. You might get a few euros off but that's it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    bealtine wrote: »
    If you can read you should try comprehension as well...

    The newspapers are notorious for inaccuracies especially when they just regurgitate marketing nonsense like your claim of 100% coverage for DSL.

    Sure broadband is expensive here, we all know that, but as everybody in this thread is saying Sky is not going to create any sort of competition like you expect. You might get a few euros off but that's it.

    Words of wisdom, priceless thanks so much !!! :D:D:D:D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    Words of wisdom, priceless thanks so much !!! :D:D:D:D

    Your sarcasm only betrays the fact you don't know what you are talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    Your sarcasm only betrays the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

    About broadband, prices, availability, competition etc... Nope I do not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭cgarvey


    Stick to the topic in hand, and leave out the insults, please (both sides!).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    watty wrote: »
    If you cancel UPC TV you get basically no TV (maybe some poor quality analogue channels that are perfect on Aerial or Dish for free).
    In Dublin the non FTA channels you get are more or less

    Discovery - only factual thing left is old WWII docu's and you'll see similar on Channel 5 and free movie channels
    Sky one - much of this is free to air on SKY's
    - you can get your star trek fix on CBS , horror channel are showing FireFly
    The comedy channel - Lee Evans repeats.
    Living - moving wallpaper
    MTV - there are FTA music channels, but if you like music then look at the Hotbird satellite too

    http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-you-get/our-channels


    The cap is 15 gb. You can get something like another 100gb for 4 euro i believe

    http://www.vodafone.ie/offers/broadband-max/
    It's not broadband but by comparison. http://www.o2online.ie/o2/shop/student/?cm_sp=shop-_-HEAnet-_-HP-Banner%201 Students can get 15GB for €9.99 a month on a 3G dongle. Additional use after allowance only €0.001 per MB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Discovery - only factual thing left is old WWII docu's and you'll see similar on Channel 5 and free movie channels
    Sky one - much of this is free to air on SKY's
    - you can get your star trek fix on CBS , horror channel are showing FireFly
    The comedy channel - Lee Evans repeats.
    Living - moving wallpaper
    MTV - there are FTA music channels, but if you like music then look at the Hotbird satellite too


    Most biased load of crap iv ever read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    got this email today, interesting to see what Sky will offer
    Sky Broadband and Talk services are coming to Ireland
    Hello,

    Thank you for registering your interest in Sky's Broadband and Talk services in Ireland.

    We're busy working on making sure we can offer you a great value broadband service backed up with the levels of customer service you'd expect from Sky.

    In the coming weeks we will keep you updated by email on the timings and availability of the Broadband and Talk services in your area, and we'll make sure that you are among the first to hear about our pricing and package options as soon as they are announced.

    Best regards,

    The Sky Ireland Team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    got this email today, interesting to see what Sky will offer

    Take that with a pinch of salt. Pricing will be released to everyone at the same time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Mellio


    I think as mentioned sky are just getting a bundle together to give upc some sense of competition albeit a false one in the hope it will entice people back or to Sky with just the one bill.

    If they were interested in offering people a good deal they would have done it by now on there tv packages instead of charging extortionate prices for sports channels, multiroom and HD content.

    Either way even if they bring the price down to 60 or less for a basic package you will still not get as minimum:
    • 25mb broadband
    • ESPN
    • HD Channels
    Unless you pay more on top.

    The offer would have to be pretty good for me to change from UPC. Only time will tell, I wouldnt hold your breath though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Mellio wrote: »
    I think as mentioned sky are just getting a bundle together to give upc some sense of competition albeit a false one in the hope it will entice people back or to Sky with just the one bill.

    If they were interested in offering people a good deal they would have done it by now on there tv packages instead of charging extortionate prices for sports channels, multiroom and HD content.

    Either way even if they bring the price down to 60 or less for a basic package you will still not get as minimum:
    • 25mb broadband
    • ESPN
    • HD Channels
    Unless you pay more on top.

    The offer would have to be pretty good for me to change from UPC. Only time will tell, I wouldnt hold your breath though.

    Don't you have to pay UPC for HD aswell?


  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Mellio


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Don't you have to pay UPC for HD aswell?

    Yes but not €15 a month.

    I pay €5 a month for a HD+ box.

    I also get ESPN HD with this deal where as sky you either have to pay
    €16 a month for ESPN or take out sky sports for €33 a month just to get it.

    Throw in the €15 a month for Multi room and sky is getting more expensive by the second.

    No brainer for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    Sky launches on-demand TV, promises broadband soon
    12:44, 16 October 2012 by Adrian Weckler
    http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/Sky+launches+on-demand+TV%2C+promises+broadband+soon/id/19410615-5218-507d-471b-34bfe4141037

    Sky has launched an on-demand TV service
    Sky Ireland has launched an on-demand film and television service with over 6,000 hours of movies and TV series content to be downloaded. It will also soon launch a broadband service.
    The on-demand service, which requires a broadband connection of at least 2Mbs to view in high definition, gives access to 500 films on demand and over 100 hours of childrens’ television.
    The broadcaster also has a new movie-rental service called Sky Store, with over 1,000 films available to rent through download.
    A spokeswoman said that films were available up to ‘full HD’, but that users had to pick the quality they wanted manually. She said that an HD film took between 800 megagybes and 1,000 megabytes (1 gigabyte) of broadband data to view. Standard definition films, she said, take around half that amount.
    The broadcaster has also launched a new wireless broadband connection box which links a wifi signal to existing Sky set-top boxes. It has also launched a new set-top box with 2,000 gigabytes of storage, enough to store 600 standard-definition films.
    A spokesman said that Sky is hopeful of adding RTE and TV3 player services to its on-demand service in the New Year.
    Sky recently signed an exclusive deal to broadcast the Harry Potter series of films.
    The spokesman also said that Sky will launch a broadband service in Ireland “in a few weeks’ time”. The service will be based on a deal with BT Ireland, which has over 80 unbundled exchanges through Ireland.

    Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.

    Not officially as it's a closely guarded "commercial" secret...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    Anyone know the list of BT Ireland enabled exchanges ? I read that they were going to have 100% broadband coverage from the start but obviously not.

    I see IoffL have published a list of LLU exchanges on their website. That should give you an idea of where Sky broadband will be available.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    bealtine wrote: »
    I see IoffL have published a list of LLU exchanges on their website. That should give you an idea of where Sky broadband will be available.

    I see IrelandOffline put up an article over there about it.

    I will still be interested in reading what Sky will offer when they finally go with broadband later this month/year. Even if things are looking to be 100% the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.

    What Sky is after here is bundled packages, a similar strategy to the one that UPC has pursued very successfully over the last 18 months. There seems little reason to doubt that it will work, especially if the company can offer fairly decent broadband speeds (meaning over 10Mbs) for a relatively modest additional monthly fee.
    However there is the basic question of it still being a landline solution meaning that it will be limited compared to faster alternatives. Still there's a healthy market for entry-level and mid-tier broadband packages. Sky looks to be onto a winner here.

    Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Gotta hedge those bets, keep the advertisers on board and never be proven wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    clohamon wrote: »
    The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.




    Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012

    Another one that's swallowed to Sky marketing machine nonsense that somehow Sky can wave a magic wand and make "stuff" happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    clohamon wrote: »
    The doyen of Dublin gadget reviewers explains why Sky is onto a winner .....though maybe not.......or perhaps yes after all.




    Adrian Weckler - Sunday Business Post 21/10/2012

    he doesn't know much else that what has been posted here.


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