Lack of new routes at Cork airport

CB19Kevo · 14-11-2013 4:46pm #1

Ryanair have just announced a number of new routes for Dublin, Shannon had the same a few weeks ago and even Knock has 3 new routes.

Any developments for Cork or will there be a announcement shortly?

crustyjuggler · 14-11-2013 5:06pm

They should bring back the Berlin flight .

pwurple · 14-11-2013 5:57pm

Would love some more cork flights... but as long as they retain that amsterdam flight for now I'm happy enough.

blindsider · 14-11-2013 6:01pm

The DAA own and control Cork Airport - why would they bother?

Cork Airport is a big, empty white elephant; and, until it can run its own affairs, it will remain so.

It's an absolute farce and not one politician is making any noise about this - much to their discredit.

Missyelliot2 · 14-11-2013 6:05pm

Cork airport is regularly brought to a standstill due to heavy fog…it's location wouldn't entice an airline to open new routes, if there's going to be too many cancellations.

Rhys Essien · 14-11-2013 6:07pm

New routes will be announced shortly.Ongoing talks.

First up,Cork - New York €100 return.:D

Nonoperational · 14-11-2013 6:52pm

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

Cork airport is regularly brought to a standstill due to heavy fog…it's location wouldn't entice an airline to open new routes, if there's going to be too many cancellations.

That's not at all as much of an issue anymore with Cat II equipped aircraft. I've landed there plenty times this year when I couldn't see the runway until right before touchdown.

ninty9er · 14-11-2013 7:39pm

Maybe it's because Cork already has a more significant portfolio of destinations in its cache.

brianwalshcork · 14-11-2013 8:01pm

It has good connections to London and holiday destinations during the summer. I haven't flown from cork for work purposes in a long time, it's less hassle to get a direct flight from Dublin than to connect through somewhere else.

How often do you hear of Dublin people driving to cork because the flights are better?

You can get to Amsterdam and london early in the morning. One day trips to Paris or Brussels aren't possible- you'll only get there in they afternoon or evening.
There hasn't been a flight to Frankfurt for years, and when there was, it landed in Dublin and if you were lucky you didn't have to change planes.

Look at the departures list for tomorrow and the times of the flights:
http://www.cork-airport.com/gns/flight-information/departures.aspx
Nothing to write home about.

They still manage to charge 8.50 or 9.00 per day for parking though.

Missyelliot2 · 14-11-2013 8:11pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

That's not at all as much of an issue anymore with Cat II equipped aircraft. I've landed there plenty times this year when I couldn't see the runway until right before touchdown.

Thanks for that! Good to know....but will definitely be planking it next time I see fog - with the knowledge that the pilot can't see the runway!

beer enigma · 15-11-2013 6:01pm

Interesting to see Varadkar saying today that's there's no 'regulatory obstacles 'issues with transatlantic flights from Cork.

http://thecorknews.ie/articles/transatlantic-flights-cork-real-possibility-12858

podmu80 · 15-11-2013 6:32pm

Hard to see the DAA ever allowing transatlantic flights from cork sadly.
Would be great for the region if it could happen.

Red Nissan · 15-11-2013 8:56pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

That's not at all as much of an issue anymore with Cat II equipped aircraft. I've landed there plenty times this year when I couldn't see the runway until right before touchdown.

As the pilot?

Red Nissan · 15-11-2013 8:59pm

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

Thanks for that! Good to know....but will definitely be planking it next time I see fog - with the knowledge that the pilot can't see the runway!

Look up the report into the fatal crash a couple of years ago. It discusses this exact subject. A pilot has two chances to land and must be able to see the runway at a certain distance.

Cork is regularly closed to CAT II approaches in fog.

Red Nissan · 15-11-2013 9:05pm

podmu80 wrote: »

Hard to see the DAA ever allowing transatlantic flights from cork sadly.
Would be great for the region if it could happen.

AFAIK, the runway is officially too short, though we've had emergency landings that coped fine, an Amsterdam DC10 being a relatively recent event.

"Have you enough runway?" asked the tower. "Fine" came the reply and he took off in the same distance but far greater speed than O'Leary's 737's do, and they are pretty smart already.

Herb Powell · 15-11-2013 9:32pm

crustyjuggler wrote: »

They should bring back the Berlin flight .

That would be so unbelieveably useful.

kub · 15-11-2013 9:46pm

podmu80 wrote: »

Hard to see the DAA ever allowing transatlantic flights from cork sadly.
Would be great for the region if it could happen.

I agree, they would rather see Cork passengers flying transatlantic out of Dublin.
What is annoying is that as and from next Janurary Aer Lingus will be operating transatlantic routes from Shannon and Dublin using leased 757 aircraft, a machine perfectly suitable for a Cork / US service, but no mention of Cork.

Rhys Essien · 15-11-2013 11:21pm

As was said earlier,its an utter disgrace why the Cork Politicians are not challenging the DAA about this.

I remember reading not so long ago that a boss in one of the American companies in Cork was saying how bad it was,that there was no transatlantic flights from Cork.

Nonoperational · 15-11-2013 11:32pm

Red Nissan wrote: »

Look up the report into the fatal crash a couple of years ago. It discusses this exact subject. A pilot has two chances to land and must be able to see the runway at a certain distance.

Cork is regularly closed to CAT II approaches in fog.

True, but CAT II has reduced the number of diversions substantially.

The Manx 2 crash was a nightmare from the crew, and the aircraft was only certified for CAT I approaches anyway.

podmu80 · 16-11-2013 12:23am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

As was said earlier,its an utter disgrace why the Cork Politicians are not challenging the DAA about this.

I remember reading not so long ago that a boss in one of the American companies in Cork was saying how bad it was,that there was no transatlantic flights from Cork.

Could not agree more. I can't for the life of me understand how its ok for the airport to be "independent" when it comes to servicing the debt but yet has to submit its business plan to the DAA for approval. How can it grow and develop when a competing airport is making the key decisions? i would love to know more about the board in cork airport, are they appointed by the DAA. If so, transatlantic will remain a pipe dream in my opinion.
The managing director of EMC has commented on this situation on more than one occasion.
As for the length of the runway, what type of aircraft is it too short to accommodate?

Rhys Essien · 16-11-2013 1:31am

Interesting thread here,about the whole Cork transatlantic flights debate.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/transport/211864-us-flights-cork-face-barriers.html

podmu80 · 16-11-2013 2:18am

interesting thread, kind of descends into the usual cork bashing though. just a shame the airport will never maximise its potential. then again neither will the city itself, look no further than the boundary fiasco.
remember reading Michael o Leary's take on the situation. say what you like about him, but he does talk sense in relation to this.
it is just insane that a competitor can make the key decisions which not only impacts on the airport itself, but the region as a whole. The DAA don't give a flying fcuk about cork, why would they, how they are allowed to continue to have the control they do sums up what is wrong with this country of ours.

sydneybound · 16-11-2013 9:25am

CB19Kevo wrote: »

and even Knock has 3 new routes

What....?!

What Knock isn't a proper airport or something...? They carry nearly 700,000 passengers annually and have had a great working relationship with Ryanair for a fair few years much better then the DAA airports have had.

For an independent airport which is rurally based its done incredibly well for itself and the figures look set to increase with more flights. Without trying to cause offense but maybe you down in cork aren't aware of this!

pwurple · 16-11-2013 10:01am

Knock is a great airport serving the west. But on work trips from cork (the county has a population of 500,000 people remember), i've had to go to waterford, kerry and dublin because the flights are just not available here. It's a right pain, and if I think so, you can be sure that people making decisions on whether to base their business here take it into consideration too.

Milly33 · 16-11-2013 2:06pm

I wish they would have some decant flights out. Recently flew out from Dublin and while twas grand like,it would be so much easier to fly from cork.. After spending all the moment on the new airport tis daft to leave it going to waste with only a few flights..Aer Lingus and Ryan get yer asses in gear

pwurple · 16-11-2013 3:33pm

Driving to dublin airport and back adds 100 euro in fuel, parking and tolls to the price of the flight for someone from cork too. Plus an overnight stay up there if the flight is very early morning. It's a pure dose.

the beer revolu · 16-11-2013 6:12pm

pwurple wrote: »

Driving to dublin airport and back adds 100 euro in fuel, parking and tolls to the price of the flight for someone from cork too. Plus an overnight stay up there if the flight is very early morning. It's a pure dose.

Bus. 3 hours from Cork to Dublin Airport.
Some late hour busses.
Cheap as chips.
Comfortable.
Toilet.
WIFI.

No reason to drive anymore.

Milly33 · 17-11-2013 1:21pm

The bus is great alright but if lets say you cant do the bus it is quite expensive to Pwurple said to pay for tolls, parking and all that goes.. I think Cork should just have its own airline called the bouy or something..

wheresmybeaver · 17-11-2013 1:33pm

The bus is grand as long as you don't have kids. And not all of them have toilets.

if there was any kind of planning going on then Shannon and cork could share some of the same routes between them. So if Shannon doesn't have a route then cork is likely to have it instead. Driving cork to Shannon is a hell of a lot better than driving to Dublin, motorway or not.

AugustusMinimus · 17-11-2013 5:07pm

Can someone explain to me why the air bridges aren't being used at Cork Airport ?

IMO, isn't there a plan to lengthen the runway ? Until the DAA gives up control of the airport, there isn't a hope of transatlantic flights going through Cork.

The reason is simple. It would wipe out Shannon over night. Cork politicians need to push hard for the CAA to take over the running of the airport. IIRC, there is nothing currently holding back flights to the US via medium sized aircraft. 747s can presently land at Cork Airport but can only take off when emptied of passengers and cargo. The longer runway will solve this.

Ardennes1944 · 17-11-2013 5:18pm

The airbridges arent being used because they charge the airlines too much to use them.

I would love if flights to Berlin and Prague came back, evenif the latter was only for a season

scudo2 · 17-11-2013 5:31pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Bus. 3 hours from Cork to Dublin Airport.
Some late hour busses.
Cheap as chips.
Comfortable.
Toilet.
WIFI.

No reason to drive anymore.

Can you imagine the IDA saying that to company executives that their trying to attract and get them to set up factorys in the second largest city in our country.

We have a great infrastructure, roads, skilled (unemployed but willing to work) work force, award winning colleges and students of all ages, second biggest natural harbour in the world. (second to Sidney ) good electricty supply, + a lot more.

Oh and a cheap bus for a few hours to Dublin.

A shur lads,at least we have the Blarney stone to attract them!

Reposted :::: as I think it should. This county is lacking if those who matter cannot see the importance of direct flights.
For F sake its like broad band and dial up.
Or am I wrong ?

Feel free to reply as I know where U live!!

Nonoperational · 17-11-2013 6:01pm

scudo2 wrote: »

Can you imagine the IDA saying that to company executives that their trying to attract and get them to set up factorys in the second largest city in our country.

We have a great infrastructure, roads, skilled (unemployed but willing to work) work force, award winning colleges and students of all ages, second biggest natural harbour in the world. (second to Sidney ) good electricty supply, + a lot more.

Oh and a cheap bus for a few hours to Dublin.

A shur lads,at least we have the Blarney stone to attract them!

The 2 cities are 2.5 hours apart by road or rail. That's hardly unreasonable all the same.

podmu80 · 17-11-2013 7:29pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

The 2 cities are 2.5 hours apart by road or rail. That's hardly unreasonable all the same.

It is actually. Especially for high end business. The MD of EMC has mentioned it on a number of occasions.
Nobody is demanding routes to every major US city but a link to the east coast is more than feasible. I would be amazed if it actually happened though given who decides these issues.

scudo2 · 17-11-2013 7:36pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

The 2 cities are 2.5 hours apart by road or rail. That's hardly unreasonable all the same.

Agree, you also have to agree that a Yank Co. setting up here would be more attracted if we had USA routes from here. ( all pros and less cons would help them choose ) If not then Dublin would be first choice, Shannon second but has an iffy future.
Or they will look at other countrys .

It was one of the bosses at EMC2 that pointed out all the good and bad points from an American point of view to me. Air routes was the biggest down fall for Cork in his opinion a few years ago and nothing has changed.

Red Nissan · 17-11-2013 7:52pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

True, but CAT II has reduced the number of diversions substantially.

Slightly OT: Was just listening to a CAT II request from "Jet2 friendly low fares" from Newcastle. Sounded new as if coming into an unknown airport, weather ceiling 200 feet but CAT II approach approved.

pwurple · 17-11-2013 8:21pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Bus. 3 hours from Cork to Dublin Airport.
Some late hour busses.
Cheap as chips.
Comfortable.
Toilet.
WIFI.

No reason to drive anymore.

Buses are fine for loads of people. But probably not the directors of EMC, Apple, J&J, pfizer, abbott, dairygold or musgrave.

It doesn't go from your front door, so you've to haul your luggage around somewhere to find it. It's slower than a car. And you could end up sitting next to Mr Smelly McSmell, or Mrs Chatty McChat. That's the reason they go business class and first class in the first place.

fm · 17-11-2013 9:13pm

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

The airbridges arent being used because they charge the airlines too much to use them.

I would love if flights to Berlin and Prague came back, evenif the latter was only for a season

got a flight into cork from faro in june on aer lingus and the airbridge was used,first time i have seen or heard of them being used.

Rhys Essien · 17-11-2013 10:55pm

Here is what the Cork Airport director had to say about the air bridge's last year.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/10/16/cork-airport-boss-wants-transatlantic-flights-by-2015/

mean gene · 17-11-2013 11:11pm

pwurple wrote: »

Driving to dublin airport and back adds 100 euro in fuel, parking and tolls to the price of the flight for someone from cork too. Plus an overnight stay up there if the flight is very early morning. It's a pure dose.

get the bus and avoid all this :rolleyes::rolleyes:

scudo2 · 18-11-2013 1:25am

scudo2 wrote: »

Can you imagine the IDA saying that to company executives that their trying to attract and get them to set up factorys in the second largest city in our country.

We have a great infrastructure, roads, skilled (unemployed but willing to work) work force, award winning colleges and students of all ages, second biggest natural harbour in the world. (second to Sidney ) good electricty supply, + a lot more.

Oh and a cheap bus for a few hours to Dublin.

A shur lads,at least we have the Blarney stone to attract them!

Reposted :::: as I think it should. This county is lacking if those who matter cannot see the importance of direct flights.
For F sake its like broad band and dial up.
Or am I wrong ?

Feel free to reply as I know where U live!!

Reposted (for the last time) if somebody feel the need for flag waving !

I'm only trying to voice a professional opinion which cork airport, county council or DAA can't acknowledge.

KCAccidental · 18-11-2013 3:02am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Here is what the Cork Airport director had to say about the air bridge's last year.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/10/16/cork-airport-boss-wants-transatlantic-flights-by-2015/

yup, outside of Aer Lingus the only other regular airlines at Cork Airport are low fare, like Ryanair and Jet2. These airlines refuse to use them because passengers take longer to disembark from one exit and that eats into their turnaround time. This is the same reason the Aer Lingus Heathrow flight rarely uses the air bridge as well. Most other Aer Lingus routes do use the air bridge though, certainly Barcelona and Munich as they aren't as dependent on fast turnarounds.

Lambofdave · 18-11-2013 11:33am

The new terminal was a waste of time, they should of been more concerned with keeping routes and promoting new ones. The old terminal could have been renovated for a lot less then €180 million. I would have lengthened the runway first and built a new terminal on a phased basis based on actual footfall.

pwurple · 18-11-2013 12:01pm

mean gene wrote: »

get the bus and avoid all this :rolleyes::rolleyes:

If you pause rolling your eyeballs around in their sockets, you might be able to read the rest of the thread. I have already mentioned about the buses.

evilivor · 18-11-2013 1:31pm

Milly33 wrote: »

The bus is great alright but if lets say you cant do the bus it is quite expensive to Pwurple said to pay for tolls, parking and all that goes.. I think Cork should just have its own airline ..

The last Cork airline, Jetmagic, didn't fare too well.

lisasimpson · 18-11-2013 1:56pm

often went over to the terminal at lunchtime from the business park to use the bank and the place is a ghost town. Cant just rely on Ryanair to bring other flights. couldn't other airlines such as air fungus air arann etc should be encouraged even if they are seasonal services. Id love to see a route to Belfast or . Also routes not available from Shannon, which would attract business from outside the county

KCAccidental · 18-11-2013 3:00pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

The new terminal was a waste of time, they should of been more concerned with keeping routes and promoting new ones. The old terminal could have been renovated for a lot less then €180 million. I would have lengthened the runway first and built a new terminal on a phased basis based on actual footfall.

Actual footfall before the new terminal was built was way above the old terminal's capacity and the building was barely able to handle the amount of passengers, especially in the summer. You have to remember all of this was planned and built when Cork airport was funneling over 3,000,000 passengers through a terminal designed for 1,500,000

Expansion would have caused too much disruption to the existing terminal and it would have been impossible to cater for those numbers in a safe way. If you added the cost of expansion and loss of earnings from passengers avoiding the airport while it was expanding, it just made sense to build a new terminal from scratch to cater for the increased numbers of passengers and have the ability to extend the new terminal without as much disruption if needed in future.

Future proofing infrastructure is sound practice and ok, numbers have fallen away again due to the financial crisis, but in the medium term passenger numbers will rise again and it's better to have a modern terminal ready for the bigger numbers to come.

In Ireland, we have been hamstrung by infrastructure being built to existing need instead of future need. Just look at how bad the kinsale road roundabout was for years because they didn't future proof the junction.

Red Nissan · 18-11-2013 3:49pm

lisasimpson wrote: »

couldn't other airlines such as air fungus air arann etc should be encouraged even if they are seasonal services. Id love to see a route to Belfast or .

Arann are sort of dead, they are under some sort of arrangement with air fungus and are flying under air fungus's colours as a 'regional' carrier.

Last Belfast route was the ill fated Manx2 company and I think they no longer operate.

lisasimpson · 18-11-2013 5:55pm

Red Nissan wrote: »

Arann are sort of dead, they are under some sort of arrangement with air fungus and are flying under air fungus's colours as a 'regional' carrier.

Last Belfast route was the ill fated Manx2 company and I think they no longer operate.

air arann use to do the Belfast route, flew it a couple of times esp near xmas it was busy enough

Lambofdave · 18-11-2013 5:56pm

KCAccidental wrote: »

Actual footfall before the new terminal was built was way above the old terminal's capacity and the building was barely able to handle the amount of passengers, especially in the summer. You have to remember all of this was planned and built when Cork airport was funneling over 3,000,000 passengers through a terminal designed for 1,500,000

Expansion would have caused too much disruption to the existing terminal and it would have been impossible to cater for those numbers in a safe way. If you added the cost of expansion and loss of earnings from passengers avoiding the airport while it was expanding, it just made sense to build a new terminal from scratch to cater for the increased numbers of passengers and have the ability to extend the new terminal without as much disruption if needed in future.

Future proofing infrastructure is sound practice and ok, numbers have fallen away again due to the financial crisis, but in the medium term passenger numbers will rise again and it's better to have a modern terminal ready for the bigger numbers to come.

In Ireland, we have been hamstrung by infrastructure being built to existing need instead of future need. Just look at how bad the kinsale road roundabout was for years because they didn't future proof the junction.

Ok but it didn't need to cost 180million

lisasimpson · 18-11-2013 6:10pm

o wait the cork to London Heathrow route frequency has increased from 4 to 5 times a day woohoo.. seriously though its like its just the 6th terminal to heathrow up there, the politicans etc really need a good kick in the behind with the airport

Lack of new routes at Cork airport

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