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Pres (mocks) do you correct your own?

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  • #52
    gubbie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭gubbie


    I do not envy paper marking, especially for those poor souls in English.

    In my old school (UK) the mocks were always corrected in school and we had countless meetings teaching us how to correct - from correcting sample questions, to remarking a number of papers from a colleague and to scrutinising what was in the marking scheme.

    For everyone correcting, fair dues to you.


  • #53
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,838 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Well, I'm speaking from a students point of view I really liked getting my exams corrected externaly.(I'm out of school a good few years) I never even even knew that some schools corrected them themselves.
    It just felt like the real thing to me. You also knew that there was going to be no favoritism from teachers and the result you got was fair. Students also couldn't say such and such marked me down because they hate me or they marked him up for whatever reason.


  • #54
    painauchocolat
    Registered Users Posts: 133 ✭✭painauchocolat


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    can you swop with another teacher outside the school?

    Not that I'm aware of. Could just be that no one has asked. Some departments swop between themselves but this really only works when there are two exam classes of comparable size /level. For most subjects we'd have only the one class.


  • #55
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Well, I'm speaking from a students point of view I really liked getting my exams corrected externaly.(I'm out of school a good few years) I never even even knew that some schools corrected them themselves.
    It just felt like the real thing to me. You also knew that there was going to be no favoritism from teachers and the result you got was fair. Students also couldn't say such and such marked me down because they hate me or they marked him up for whatever reason.
    Which is why the whole Junior Cert issue is being so stoutly defended by teachers.


  • #56
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Which is why the whole Junior Cert issue is being so stoutly defended by teachers.
    Because some students don't trust their teachers?


  • #57
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    katydid wrote: »
    Because some students don't trust their teachers?

    I would say yes.


  • #58
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    I would say yes.

    Not a reason to scrap an entire system. Students will have to learn to trust teachers and teachers will have to learn to trust themselves.


  • #59
    Noccy_Mondy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Does every thread really need to turn into one about JC reform?


  • #60
    implausible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    katydid wrote: »
    Students will have to learn to trust teachers and teachers will have to learn to trust themselves.

    By marking their own mocks?


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  • #61
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    katydid wrote: »
    Not a reason to scrap an entire system. Students will have to learn to trust teachers and teachers will have to learn to trust themselves.

    _


  • #62
    Terri26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭Terri26


    It's not about trust, it's about completely changing our role.


  • #63
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    _

    ?


  • #64
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Terri26 wrote: »
    It's not about trust, it's about completely changing our role.

    And what's wrong with that?


  • #65
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    implausible wrote: »
    By marking their own mocks?

    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.


  • #66
    seavill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    The leaving cert will still be in existence that is going no where


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  • #67
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    seavill wrote: »
    The leaving cert will still be in existence that is going no where

    For now. :-)


  • #68
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    katydid wrote: »
    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.

    Why not?


  • #69
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    katydid wrote: »
    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.

    The 'new system' will still involve a written exam. I'd imagine schools will continue to do mocks for this exam. No more than the subjects that already exist with a practical component that have a written examination (woodwork, metalwork, music etc).


  • #70
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    Why not?

    If it ends up as total CA, there would be no need. That's the ultimate goal of the government.


  • #71
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    katydid wrote: »
    If it ends up as total CA, there would be no need. That's the ultimate goal of the government.

    It won't.

    That would be ridiculous.


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  • #72
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    It won't.

    That would be ridiculous.

    I agree it would be. It's what the government would like, though.


  • #73
    Jamfa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    I agree it would be. It's what the government would like, though.

    Are you a government spokesperson? The Framework for Junior Cycle never mentioned continuous assessment but rather school-based & final assessment. The planned focus was to move from the exams at the end of 3rd year to assessment supporting learning throughout the 3 years. The proposal for English is to replace the mocks with the school-based assessment so as not to increase teacher workload etc. The bigger change is that the SEC will be setting & correcting final exams based on learning outcomes. It'll be very hard to predict what will be on a paper & the exam is only going to be 2hrs anyway.


  • #74
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    Are you a government spokesperson? The Framework for Junior Cycle never mentioned continuous assessment but rather school-based & final assessment. The planned focus was to move from the exams at the end of 3rd year to assessment supporting learning throughout the 3 years. The proposal for English is to replace the mocks with the school-based assessment so as not to increase teacher workload etc. The bigger change is that the SEC will be setting & correcting final exams based on learning outcomes. It'll be very hard to predict what will be on a paper & the exam is only going to be 2hrs anyway.

    As far as I know, the initial proposal was for 100% assessment by the teacher.


  • #75
    Jamfa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    As far as I know, the initial proposal was for 100% assessment by the teacher.

    Not in English, Irish & Maths & 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. Have you read the Framework and the many other documents about the new junior cycle?


  • #76
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    Not in English, Irish & Maths & 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. Have you read the Framework and the many other documents about the new junior cycle?

    I'm talking about the eventual aims.

    I know 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. I didn't say it was. But exams devised and marked by the teacher are not the same as full blown state exams set and corrected elsewhere, and "mocks" would not be such a big deal.

    No, I have only read an outline of them. I don't teach JC so I haven't gone into it in detail.


  • #77
    Jamfa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    I'm talking about the eventual aims.

    I know 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. I didn't say it was. But exams devised and marked by the teacher are not the same as full blown state exams set and corrected elsewhere, and "mocks" would not be such a big deal.

    No, I have only read an outline of them. I don't teach JC so I haven't gone into it in detail.

    The 60% final exams were planned to be set by the SEC for all subjects with school-based component specifications for the 40% giving clear direction for the school tasks. The new plan is that every subject has a final exam set & marked by the SEC. What happens further done the line is only speculation and a future government may have a very different agenda.


  • #78
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    The 60% final exams were planned to be set by the SEC for all subjects with school-based component specifications for the 40% giving clear direction for the school tasks. The new plan is that every subject has a final exam set & marked by the SEC. What happens further done the line is only speculation and a future government may have a very different agenda.

    Ok


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