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Pres (mocks) do you correct your own?

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    #62
    Terri26
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭Terri26


    It's not about trust, it's about completely changing our role.


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    #63
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    _

    ?


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    #64
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Terri26 wrote: »
    It's not about trust, it's about completely changing our role.

    And what's wrong with that?


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    #65
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    implausible wrote: »
    By marking their own mocks?

    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.


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    #66
    seavill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    The leaving cert will still be in existence that is going no where


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    #67
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    seavill wrote: »
    The leaving cert will still be in existence that is going no where

    For now. :-)


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    #68
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    katydid wrote: »
    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.

    Why not?


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    #69
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    katydid wrote: »
    Not while the system is as it is now. No need for "mocks" under the new system.

    The 'new system' will still involve a written exam. I'd imagine schools will continue to do mocks for this exam. No more than the subjects that already exist with a practical component that have a written examination (woodwork, metalwork, music etc).


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    #70
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    Why not?

    If it ends up as total CA, there would be no need. That's the ultimate goal of the government.


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    #71
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    katydid wrote: »
    If it ends up as total CA, there would be no need. That's the ultimate goal of the government.

    It won't.

    That would be ridiculous.


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    #72
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    It won't.

    That would be ridiculous.

    I agree it would be. It's what the government would like, though.


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    #73
    Jamfa
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    I agree it would be. It's what the government would like, though.

    Are you a government spokesperson? The Framework for Junior Cycle never mentioned continuous assessment but rather school-based & final assessment. The planned focus was to move from the exams at the end of 3rd year to assessment supporting learning throughout the 3 years. The proposal for English is to replace the mocks with the school-based assessment so as not to increase teacher workload etc. The bigger change is that the SEC will be setting & correcting final exams based on learning outcomes. It'll be very hard to predict what will be on a paper & the exam is only going to be 2hrs anyway.


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    #74
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    Are you a government spokesperson? The Framework for Junior Cycle never mentioned continuous assessment but rather school-based & final assessment. The planned focus was to move from the exams at the end of 3rd year to assessment supporting learning throughout the 3 years. The proposal for English is to replace the mocks with the school-based assessment so as not to increase teacher workload etc. The bigger change is that the SEC will be setting & correcting final exams based on learning outcomes. It'll be very hard to predict what will be on a paper & the exam is only going to be 2hrs anyway.

    As far as I know, the initial proposal was for 100% assessment by the teacher.


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    #75
    Jamfa
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    As far as I know, the initial proposal was for 100% assessment by the teacher.

    Not in English, Irish & Maths & 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. Have you read the Framework and the many other documents about the new junior cycle?


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    #76
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    Not in English, Irish & Maths & 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. Have you read the Framework and the many other documents about the new junior cycle?

    I'm talking about the eventual aims.

    I know 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. I didn't say it was. But exams devised and marked by the teacher are not the same as full blown state exams set and corrected elsewhere, and "mocks" would not be such a big deal.

    No, I have only read an outline of them. I don't teach JC so I haven't gone into it in detail.


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    #77
    Jamfa
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Jamfa


    katydid wrote: »
    I'm talking about the eventual aims.

    I know 100% assessment by the teacher is not continuous assessment. I didn't say it was. But exams devised and marked by the teacher are not the same as full blown state exams set and corrected elsewhere, and "mocks" would not be such a big deal.

    No, I have only read an outline of them. I don't teach JC so I haven't gone into it in detail.

    The 60% final exams were planned to be set by the SEC for all subjects with school-based component specifications for the 40% giving clear direction for the school tasks. The new plan is that every subject has a final exam set & marked by the SEC. What happens further done the line is only speculation and a future government may have a very different agenda.


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    #78
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Jamfa wrote: »
    The 60% final exams were planned to be set by the SEC for all subjects with school-based component specifications for the 40% giving clear direction for the school tasks. The new plan is that every subject has a final exam set & marked by the SEC. What happens further done the line is only speculation and a future government may have a very different agenda.

    Ok


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