Donegal GAA Discussion Thread

RMDrive · 02-10-2015 1:03pm

Cass received a voucher in lieu of his holiday.

2moreMinutes · 02-10-2015 10:16pm

Tbh, I've absolutely no idea why this whole holiday story had to be published in a national paper anyway.
It seems that Jim's angle in writing it now was due to it being the season for county panels to be planning their holidays but at the same time, I'm sure he could have written an article that more than a handful of people in Donegal would actually care about.
He'll have plenty of time in the coming months to get whatever gripes he has with the Co Board off his chest during his book publicity tour.....

Stoner · 02-10-2015 11:25pm

Durcan played well tonight in the Dublin championship. Popped up to take a free towards the end, but missed, he seems to have lost weight.

Nidgeweasel · 03-10-2015 12:27am

Stoner wrote: »

Durcan played well tonight in the Dublin championship. Popped up to take a free towards the end, but missed, he seems to have lost weight.

He won't be long finding it. He winters well does Papa.

Cheers for the update. What stage are things at with him and Ballyboden St.Endas?

Stoner · 03-10-2015 12:42am

Nidgeweasel wrote:

Cheers for the update. What stage are things at with him and Ballyboden St.Endas?

They won tonight, closed it out well.

Brogan brothers on song as Plunkettâ€™s and Ballyboden march on in Dublin http://the42.ie/2365818

Redsoxfan · 03-10-2015 1:44pm

Stoner wrote:

Durcan played well tonight in the Dublin championship. Popped up to take a free towards the end, but missed, he seems to have lost weight.

Time wasting. He's never been a good free taker.

harpsman · 06-10-2015 2:14pm

RMDrive wrote: »

Cass received a voucher in lieu of his holiday.

Well if thats true then he's talking complete rubbish. He was dropped from the panel for a breach of the disciplinary code which he had signed up to. Did he expect to go on the team holiday after this? If he was given a voucher in lieu then he was treated more than fairly.

Nidgeweasel · 06-10-2015 4:16pm

harpsman wrote: »

Well if thats true then he's talking complete rubbish. He was dropped from the panel for a breach of the disciplinary code which he had signed up to. Did he expect to go on the team holiday after this? If he was given a voucher in lieu then he was treated more than fairly.

He's been whinging about Gaoth Dobhair now in Gaelic Life and the McGuinness thing was tagged on at the end.

As has been said. Zero credibility.

Nidgeweasel · 07-10-2015 9:25pm

Donegal Daily (I know, I know) are reporting that Michael Boyle has done his cruciate.

Well isn't that just great timing. Feel for the lad if true.

McGinley number 1, not ideal.

Murt15 · 07-10-2015 9:47pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Donegal Daily (I know, I know) are reporting that Michael Boyle has done his cruciate.

Well isn't that just great timing. Feel for the lad if true.

McGinley number 1, not ideal.

Maybe Danny Rodgers Dungloe.

Word is that Gary Mc Daid has stepped away from the back room team.

overshoot · 07-10-2015 9:57pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Donegal Daily (I know, I know) are reporting that Michael Boyle has done his cruciate.

with DD i wouldnt be surprised if it turned out to be a stubbed toe

Nidgeweasel · 07-10-2015 10:54pm

Murt15 wrote: »

Maybe Danny Rodgers Dungloe.

Word is that Gary Mc Daid has stepped away from the back room team.

Aye, a fine prospect, still a bit young though. Although when you think about it id probably rather fire him in then one of the others.

Redsoxfan · 08-10-2015 2:39pm

The Michael Boyle injury story is true - confirmed to Donegal Sport Hub by Rory on the latest podcast.

A big enough blow with Durcan seemingly taking a break. And Jigger out for the year. Thin panel...

Rogers had a very mixed year last year. It's hard to hold him fully accountable for some of the kickouts we saw in fairness.

I have never seen McGinley in action. I don't approve of the tights...

And yes, Gary McDaid is gone. No surprise with 3 under 3.

LeoB · 10-10-2015 12:07am

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

We don't know is the simple answer. Cass did not go into detail on the circumstances so all we have is his word and tbh I've heard enough from him in the past few years to know that his word is very heavily saturated in bile towards Jim.

I took Cassidys side from day 1.

If people are unsure or dont know of the full details why hammer Cassidy? I think he was poorly treated. His word is as good as Jimmy's in my view and he has every right to feel huge anger towards Jim.

As one former panelist said we might now have 2 All-Irelands had Cassidy been on board the squad.

Anyway how is the club championship going.

Alvin Holler · 10-10-2015 12:25pm

LeoB wrote: »

Anyway how is the club championship going.

Eunan's will probably win it again:(

downthemiddle · 11-10-2015 12:43pm

LeoB wrote: »

I took Cassidys side from day 1.

If people are unsure or dont know of the full details why hammer Cassidy? I think he was poorly treated. His word is as good as Jimmy's in my view and he has every right to feel huge anger towards Jim.

As one former panelist said we might now have 2 All-Irelands had Cassidy been on board the squad.

Anyway how is the club championship going.

We do have two All Irelands

ArnoldJRimmer · 11-10-2015 2:46pm

LeoB wrote: »

I took Cassidys side from day 1.

If people are unsure or dont know of the full details why hammer Cassidy? I think he was poorly treated. His word is as good as Jimmy's in my view and he has every right to feel huge anger towards Jim.

As one former panelist said we might now have 2 All-Irelands had Cassidy been on board the squad.

Anyway how is the club championship going.

Alternatively, we may not have won in 2012 with him in the team, unlikely, but we're talking about hypothetical situations. And you may be right about the anger, but when exactly is he going to get over it? Every single opportunity he gets, he has a go at Jim

jjdonegal · 11-10-2015 2:49pm

LeoB wrote: »

I took Cassidys side from day 1.

If people are unsure or dont know of the full details why hammer Cassidy? I think he was poorly treated. His word is as good as Jimmy's in my view and he has every right to feel huge anger towards Jim.

As one former panelist said we might now have 2 All-Irelands had Cassidy been on board the squad.

Anyway how is the club championship going.

We might have easily still have 1 AIrl. Thompson, McGlynn, etc really stepped up in the aftermath of his departure. Was no gurantee we'd have won it in 2012 with Cassidy.
Anyway he is a bit of an embarrassment now in my opinion - was shown up managing Gweedore and was having pops at the club this week about a crisis which he helped manufacture.
Eamon McGee called him out brilliantny on his own club commitment a few months ago.
His criticism of Jim for not winning at least 2 AIrls was quite simply laughable considering what he inherited and where he brought us.
Anyway onwards and upwards, we can speculate all we want but I wudn change a thing from 2012 if I could and that includes bringing Cassidy back.

Nidgeweasel · 15-10-2015 8:54pm

We play the winners of Fermanagh/Antrim in the quarter final.

Play the winners of Monaghan v Down in the semi should we get through that.

Obviously Monaghan on our side isn't ideal but it's a much nicer draw than last year.

ArnoldJRimmer · 15-10-2015 9:11pm

I'll take that draw, its not too bad at all. No preliminary round, Antrim are probably ranked 9 in Ulster, and despite last years heroics, I still put around 5 teams ahead of Fermanagh. If we both get through, hopefully we can play Monaghan in a neutral venue too.

Long winter ahead, but at least we can prepare to ease ourselves into the championship a little bit more next year

Alvin Holler · 16-10-2015 10:12am

Yeah, I'd definitely take that. This year we had to peak for big games in May and the start of June.

Next year, all going well, we can focus on being ready for late June and July.

Nidgeweasel · 18-10-2015 6:06pm

Well done Naomh Conaill.

Aaron Thompson my motm. Thought Leo and Brick were both excellent.

Alvin Holler · 18-10-2015 8:33pm

Nice to see them do it. Pretty scrappy, especially in the 2nd half, was surprised how Eunan's fell apart once they had an extra man.

McLoone really inspired them in the last twenty minutes and was my man of the match. Thought Ciaran Thompson and Rory Carr showed some nice touches of the younger players. Ethan O'Donnell did well when he came on too.

Nidgeweasel · 19-10-2015 8:57am

Alvin Holler wrote: »

. Ethan O'Donnell did well when he came on too.

He's a player. Been very impressed every time ive seen him. Still very scrawny and could do with filling out but hope to see him contribute to the 21's this year.

As an aside, the decision to disallow Leo's goal was atrocious I felt. He's usually a good ref too albeit a bit of a dose.

Nidgeweasel · 30-10-2015 4:46pm

Anyone in Glenties last night?

Jim is in the Abbey bookstore in Donegal town on Sunday then somewhere in Leterrkenny.

bob skunkhouse · 02-11-2015 2:54pm

Is this not a bit hypocritical of the man given his past - rule with an iron fist approach? http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1101/738931-gallagher-criticises-mcguinness-revelations/

Given that RG is still in the job and 90% of the players still in the panel from his days, it doesn't look great.

Ceist_Beag · 02-11-2015 3:09pm

Not sure it's hypocritical but I can certainly see Rory's point. Unfortunately it's the way of things with everyone bringing out a book when the dust has barely settled on the stories within the book. Personally I hate to see lads cash in on their story so quickly as is the norm these days. But once he decided to go ahead with the book I don't see how he could have left this story out of it.

bob skunkhouse · 02-11-2015 3:51pm

Off course he could have, no more than Alex Ferguson didn't include everything in his first book. I'd nearly bet my house - or should I say the banks house - that he'll have another book out in ten years or so. He should have thought about the incumbents within the senior team and let them concentrate on 2016 with as little a confrontation as possible.

Ceist_Beag · 02-11-2015 3:56pm

bob skunkhouse wrote: »

Off course he could have, no more than Alex Ferguson didn't include everything in his first book.

Jim had 4 years in charge - I don't think we can quite equate him to Fergies reign! He may well have another book out in 10 years time but I very much doubt he could get 2 books out of a 4 year reign as Donegal manager! As I said, personally I think he could have held off a number of years before bringing out his book but obviously cash came before any moral or ethical concerns for Jim on this one. He's not the first and won't be the last to have done this.

opiniated · 02-11-2015 8:51pm

bob skunkhouse wrote: »

Is this not a bit hypocritical of the man given his past - rule with an iron fist approach? http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1101/738931-gallagher-criticises-mcguinness-revelations/

Given that RG is still in the job and 90% of the players still in the panel from his days, it doesn't look great.

I thought it was very hypocritical. Not to mention extremely tactless.
Didn't Cassidy get thrown off the squad for telling tales?

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Jim had 4 years in charge - I don't think we can quite equate him to Fergies reign! He may well have another book out in 10 years time but I very much doubt he could get 2 books out of a 4 year reign as Donegal manager! As I said, personally I think he could have held off a number of years before bringing out his book but obviously cash came before any moral or ethical concerns for Jim on this one. He's not the first and won't be the last to have done this.

All I can say is that I have a lot less regard for Jim McGuinness after this. He could have been more tactful, as a bare minimum. It smacks of deliberately trying to publicly humiliate Rory Gallagher.
It's disappointing, to say the least.

davegrohl48 · 02-11-2015 10:03pm

Read the book. McGuinness does seem to invent little things to build a point of view.
- Monaghan players goading Michael Murphy after the final whistle. I can't imagine that happened, during play maybe but for players to do that after the whistle, doubt it.
- That there was no other defender to cover Paul Geaney. Not mentioning Karl Lacy could have covered ODonoghue releasing one of the McGees to mark 6'1" Geaney instead of being marked by Paddy Mcgrath.
- The 2014 final in general is described as a vague blip of form. Selecting young OConnor and the Geaney mismatch handed away the game in the first half. By contrast the Dublin match is described at length. Would have preferred a bit more fair handed account of the final. He got two major selections wrong.
In general a good book though. Some of the Glenties tales are great.

Nidgeweasel · 03-11-2015 2:14pm

opiniated wrote: »

It smacks of deliberately trying to publicly humiliate Rory Gallagher.
It's disappointing, to say the least.

Does it? Or is it just an account of what happened?

I know who I am inclined to believe out of Jim and Rory for what it's worth.

Not convinced by the "But sure Cassidy did that" nonsense either. Cassidy broke ranks and breached discipline during his involvement with the panel. Its a year down the line. McGuinness is out, that particular 'unit' ceased to be the minute he left. It's history now, would have been hypocritical had he released a book after the AI win for example.

I hope he makes a fortune off it myself, the very least that man deserves for what he did for our county.

opiniated · 03-11-2015 6:31pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Does it? Or is it just an account of what happened?

I know who I am inclined to believe out of Jim and Rory for what it's worth.

Not convinced by the "But sure Cassidy did that" nonsense either. Cassidy broke ranks and breached discipline during his involvement with the panel. Its a year down the line. McGuinness is out, that particular 'unit' ceased to be the minute he left. It's history now, would have been hypocritical had he released a book after the AI win for example.

I hope he makes a fortune off it myself, the very least that man deserves for what he did for our county.

I'm not convinced by the argument that the unit ceased to be when Jim McGuinness left. Much of that unit is still very much in existence.

I think he could have given an account of what happened, without actually stating that he sacked Rory Gallagher. I don't actually care which of them is telling the truth, although I suspect it's probably Jim McGuinness - I just think he could have been a little more considerate, whether himself and Rory Gallagher are still talking, or not.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, although, like you, I hope Jim makes a fortune from his book.

overshoot · 03-11-2015 7:07pm

opiniated wrote: »

I'm not convinced by the argument that the unit ceased to be when Jim McGuinness left. Much of that unit is still very much in existence.

Id agree, for me its a kind of a moral issue - pretty much everyone is still there, he shouldnt have gone on his tell all as the 'unit' is still too intact and its so recent.
However, if you go to the letter of the law, he is out and no responsibilities (Cassidy at least doesnt have this argument, so there is a bit of a difference)

In the end lets face it, we knew McGuinness was ruthless, if he waited a few years there wouldnt have been the same interest in the book as today.

Ceist_Beag · 03-11-2015 9:29pm

overshoot wrote: »

if he waited a few years there wouldnt have been the same interest in the book as today.

I don't really buy that argument myself. It's very possible that the Jim era will look even better as the next few years pass.

holyhead · 04-11-2015 12:19am

Haven't read Jim McGuinness's book. But am curious as to why he and Rory Gallagher fell out. Is it over the fact that Gallagher was removed by McGuinness or the way it was done. It's a shame considering what they achieved pulling in the one direction for Donegal that they no longer speak.
Most successful manager's are ruthless. I would agree with McGuinness re Kevin Cassidy. While the player's career was live then contributing to a book should have been off limits and Cassidy should have had the wherewithall to realise this. Boundaries are boundaries but are pointless unless enforced.

Nidgeweasel · 04-11-2015 10:42am

opiniated wrote: »

I'm not convinced by the argument that the unit ceased to be when Jim McGuinness left. Much of that unit is still very much in existence.

I think he could have given an account of what happened, without actually stating that he sacked Rory Gallagher. I don't actually care which of them is telling the truth, although I suspect it's probably Jim McGuinness - I just think he could have been a little more considerate, whether himself and Rory Gallagher are still talking, or not.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, although, like you, I hope Jim makes a fortune from his book.

I don't understand this. Why should he tip toe around it. If what is described in the book is how it is (and I believe it to be) why not just say it?

He wanted a change, he got rid of Rory. Gallagher is a big boy and can handle it. I'm saddened slightly by the personal breakdown between the two but shít happens.

I take your point on the unit btw. What I meant was that era was folded up and stuck into the attic. New management team etc, I consider them to be totally seperate albeit with the same players.

Nidgeweasel · 04-11-2015 10:47am

Totally unrelated. Tyrone press talking bollocks, quelle surprise.

http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/11/exclusive-confirmation-minor-sledging-never-happened/

The phrase "always the victims" springs to mind.

harpsman · 04-11-2015 5:38pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Totally unrelated. Tyrone press talking bollocks, quelle surprise.

http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/11/exclusive-confirmation-minor-sledging-never-happened/

The phrase "always the victims" springs to mind.

So did the Ulster Council make a statement?

ArnoldJRimmer · 04-11-2015 5:41pm

harpsman wrote: »

So did the Ulster Council make a statement?

They made this very clear statement earlier

http://www.highlandradio.com/2015/11/04/ulster-council-release-statement-on-tyrone-donegal-alleged-sledging-report//

harpsman · 04-11-2015 5:49pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

They made this very clear statement earlier

http://www.highlandradio.com/2015/11/04/ulster-council-release-statement-on-tyrone-donegal-alleged-sledging-report//

What a farce. Nothin to see here folks. People will have to make up their own minds based on the character and past behaviour of the parties involved.

Ceist_Beag · 04-11-2015 5:50pm

more here - http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/ - I have to say the GAA have a way to go to address these types of issue. Tyrone really let themselves down with the way they handled this from the very start. At the end of it all we have a young lad who not only was subjected to this abuse but who will never now be vindicated for reporting the abuse after. It doesn't exactly encourage others to do the same in the future.

opiniated · 04-11-2015 6:04pm

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

more here - http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/ - I have to say the GAA have a way to go to address these types of issue. Tyrone really let themselves down with the way they handled this from the very start. At the end of it all we have a young lad who not only was subjected to this abuse but who will never now be vindicated for reporting the abuse after. It doesn't exactly encourage others to do the same in the future.

It doesn't.

I wonder, though, if the GAA ever stop to consider how this affects young players (or, more accurately, their parents) when they decide how much time to invest in the game.

I've a child who plays both soccer and gaelic, and it's not always easy to balance school and sport.

When I read the report that Tyrone had been exonerated last night, I was fully intent on removing Gaelic from the schedule, purely because I know for a fact that the incident did happen, and I couldn't see any good reason to continue with a sport where the ruling council could be so unfair.

Needless to say, following todays report, GAA is back on the schedule, although with some reservations, tbh.

Nidgeweasel · 04-11-2015 6:21pm

We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee.

Says it all for me.

If it walks like a tramp, talks like a tramp and looks like a tramp.......... it plays for Tyrone.

[That comment is tounge in cheek before the hypersensitive gang/censors roll into town.]

In all seriousness, issues at all grades with Tyrone last year. The sledging in the minor, the palava around the U-21 final and then the less said about the seniors the better. They seem to have a victim mentality. Unable to take any critiscm or admit wrongdoing. It's tiresome and they are almost becoming a parody of themselves.

I'm happy with how the Donegal and the County Board have conducted themselves with this - not often we get to say that.

bob skunkhouse · 04-11-2015 6:27pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

They seem to have a victim mentality.

And right behind that Victim Mentality is the persecution complex!

harpsman · 06-11-2015 2:09pm

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ulster-close-book-on-unwelcome-comments-34175054.html
"Unwelcome comments" but not about players father? Sounds like a classic plea bargain your honour

opiniated · 06-11-2015 2:43pm

Sounds like a "Nothing to see here, move on" tactic.

Sickening.

charlie14 · 06-11-2015 8:47pm

See A O`Se of Mayo got the All Star for full forward. Imo anyway, bull****.

Nidgeweasel · 08-11-2015 1:25am

In the process of reading Jim's book.

The Barry McGowan/Leitir story had me in tears.

As did the Neil McGee "Youre a fine looking doll" quip to Yvonne McGuinness at 6am. Great stuff.

Murphy14 · 11-11-2015 2:36pm

Brendan Kilcoyne has replaced Gary Mc Daid has a selector to Rory Gallagher that means that Donegal senior football is now being guided by Fermanagh , Westmeath and Sligo men all 3 are capable men but surely one man from the county should fill one of these roles.

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