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How do you intend to vote in the upcoming EU Fiscal Treaty referendum?

  • 28-02-2012 6:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭


    How will you vote in the referendum?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis

    How do you intend to vote in the upcoming EU fiscal compact treaty referendum? 516 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    37% 192 votes
    Atari Jaguar
    62% 324 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭Johnny Bitte


    Do not know the question, can not give an answer!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    I'm going to vote no .

    reason is every time we vote yes we get fcuked

    we are going to default at some stage so better sooner then later as we won't receive bailout cash after 2013 when voting no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭lucylu


    The “fiscal compact” outlines the closer integration of the national budgets of the 17 eurozone countries.
    It imposes a new legal framework and greater fiscal scrutiny to try and avoid a repetition of some of the dubious financial practices that triggered the euro crisis. The treaty also agrees to strengthen mechanisms that guarantee short-term stability to euro economies in trouble.

    The treaty must be ratified by January 2013 and will take effect once it is ratified by 12 of the 17 euro zone countries.

    The treaty will be signed in March 2012 and will enter into force once it has been ratified by at least 12 euro area member states. It will be legally binding as an international agreement and will be open to the EU countries which do not sign it at the outset. The aim is to incorporate it into EU law within five years of its entry into force.

    The Fiscal Treaty requires EU Member states to a) keep their budget deficit below 3 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) and b) ensure their public debt does not exceed or is sufficiently declining towards 60 per cent of GDP.Furthermore, the member states will have to incorporate this “balanced budget rule” into their national legal systems, preferably at constitutional level. The deadline for doing so is one year at the latest after the entry into force of the treaty.

    Automatic penalties, including fines, will kick in if signatories exceed deficit limits unless a qualified majority of eurozone states opposes such penalties. Currently, the eurozone already has a so-called excessive deficit procedure that is supposed to kick in once a country exceeds the three per cent of GDP cap on national budget deficits set out in the Maastricht criteria. But in the past, the procedure has not been enforced as rigorously as it should be since governments often allied with partner states and used their majority to reinterpret the rules and avoid fines and other sanctions.

    Legal action can be taken in the European Court of Justice against governments which breach it. The court may impose a penalty “appropriate in the circumstances” and which does not exceed 0.1 per cent of the country’s GDP.

    Treaty participants may temporarily deviate from their country-specific objectives “only in exceptional circumstances” and provided the deviation does not endanger medium-term fiscal sustainability


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Seems reasonable. After 15 seconds consideration (tops), I can emphatically state that I will be voting 'Yes'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    WIZE wrote: »
    I'm going to vote no .

    reason is every time we vote yes we get fcuked

    we are going to default at some stage so better sooner then later as we won't receive bailout cash after 2013 when voting no

    They'll get around this by saying 'Are you not in favour of the new fiscal treaty?'

    And you'll vote no, meaning you ARE in favour.

    God, they're clever.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 Sonic the Large Cock


    Im gonna vote with my feet


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    A big fat NO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    I'll vote no the first time, then get taken in by RTE's spin machine and change my mind for the second ballot lol.
    lucylu wrote: »
    Legal action can be taken in the European Court of Justice against governments which breach it.

    They think our politicians and public service workers will take reponsibility for something. Oh my God! They're in for a shock...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Votáil NIL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    NinjaK wrote: »
    A big fat Mary Harney NO
    :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    I would have to read more about the treaty, but if I was to go by Lucylu's post I would vote yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 Sonic the Large Cock


    heres the new campaign moto from the government for the EU Fiscal Treaty referendum...

    If this treaty was a person they would vote for you.

    Apparently this will appear on the posters the government is gonna produced with Enda in a 'Uncle Sam' pose

    Legendary


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    NO. And primarily because we got it up the ass in previous referenda. Not this time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    No, no, and no again (we'll probably have to say no 3 times before they get the message)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    the short version

    Yes - money
    NO - no money


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    If you remove the whole EU and them against us nonsense. It only makes sense that we control our public expenditure. The days of government free for all spending are over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    Write off most of that debt, which we never took on and I will consider a yes vote. I never believed we would get a referendum on this. Our German/french overlords are currently spewing their cereal up. Waaahey!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    My takeaway is if we vote no, its the end of loans from Europe.

    So that would be a no from me, then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    I will vote wearing wayfarers and levitating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    For Mr Sarkozy my vote will be - Non

    For Ms Merkel my vote will be - Nein


    You thought you didn't have to ask the lowly peasants from Ireland didn't you. Well fook you and the horses you rode in on.

    When this referendum doesn't pass in Ireland don't come crying to us. No more shall we bow to your demands. No more austerity. No more looking at our budgets and finances, goddamn none of your business.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    NO means NO and wont be forced to vote again either NO!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I don't know yet till I see the actual question.
    (There should be an option for this)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    NO. And primarily because we got it up the ass in previous referenda. Not this time.
    Howso? Please, I'm dying to know what you're talking about.
    vicwatson wrote: »
    You thought you didn't have to ask the lowly peasants from Ireland didn't you. Well fook you and the horses you rode in on.

    When this referendum doesn't pass in Ireland don't come crying to us. No more shall we bow to your demands. No more austerity. No more looking at our budgets and finances, goddamn none of your business.
    No more austerity? How do you figure that out exactly? Our budget would have to be balanced overnight, not over the course of a few years as is being facilitated at present.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    I've ALWAYS and EVER voted NO to ALL referendums, why break with tradition! ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 121 ✭✭Bababa


    Is definitely worth a NO the first time. And then a NO the second time as well.
    Country can take a bit of pain. We did it for years. No point prostituting our country any more.
    Take the pain. Will make us stronger in the long run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    No sense in debating the past. Let's look at where we are.

    Ireland is broke....

    Massive amounts of debt,
    Massive amounts of spending,

    Playing nice with the EU is the best thing for us, given that we've already found ourselves in this situation. Hell, maybe the Germans and French can do a better job of policing our finances than we can?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    mike65 wrote: »
    the short version

    Yes - money
    NO - no money

    Last Treaty,

    Yes - jobs
    No - no jobs

    Majority voted Yes (2nd time round) and still no jobs, and jobless is rising daily! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    no because the ordinary joe soap will be fucked sideways [again] while the banks and shady money men are protected


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    Robdude wrote: »
    No sense in debating the past. Let's look at where we are.

    Ireland is broke....

    Massive amounts of debt,
    Massive amounts of spending,

    Playing nice with the EU is the best thing for us, given that we've already found ourselves in this situation. Hell, maybe the Germans and French can do a better job of policing our finances than we can?

    A debt which we are not legally bound to pay, a debt that is not ours. Our Country would be financially better off, if we told the Gamblers to take a hike.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Leo Dowling


    It's nice to say no at first just to see how much they really want it.

    Like dangling spagetti over your dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    This will be vote in the forth coming referendum (s)

    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    SPOILED VOTE
    NO
    NO
    SPOILED VOTE
    YES


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Our Country would be financially better off, if we told the Gamblers to take a hike.
    That would be the biggest gamble since the last one we lost with the blanket guarantee.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    dvpower wrote: »
    That would be the biggest gamble since the last one we lost with the blanket guarantee.

    A man who is already penniless has nothing to lose but every thing to gain.

    I'm voting No because Fianna Fail have said they favour a yes vote, you know when they are in favour of something that it can only involve corruption and is bad for the country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Stinicker wrote: »
    A man who is already penniless has nothing to lose but every thing to gain.
    A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm voting No because Fianna Fail have said they favour a yes vote, you know when they are in favour of something that it can only involve corruption and is bad for the country.
    Well, at least you have a strong coherent arguement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    I intend to vote intelligently on the matter. That is, having read the text and making a decision on how to vote based on that text and my expectation of the consequences from it.

    I will not vote based on how I feel about the current government or what I think of the EU.

    It's unbelievably sad that I will be a miniscule minority in doing so. This country does not deserve democracy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »
    A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.


    Do you realise how much money this country has spent so far? Literally like giving a heroin addict more heroin to cure him of his addiction.

    We can't afford these borrowings! We can't afford them now, we couldn't afford them before now and we won't be able to afford them in the future.
    quietriot wrote: »
    This country does not deserve democracy.

    Democracy? Seriously???????


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    dvpower wrote: »
    A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.

    We are broke and by voting No, we will ensure that we cannot be bailed out again, this is a good thing and not a bad thing. I see Ireland and Greece and the two stroppy teenagers of Europe who keep going to their Rich Daddy in Germany for more funds to fund their extravagant lifestyle. If we Vote no we will kick ourselves out of the house and have to depend on the markets.

    We must stand on our own two feet and default on the debts owed to the German and French banks. Germany and France are lending money to countries like Ireland to repay the private debt saw the previous corrupt Government guarantee the debts of the Fianna fraudsters which Irish banks borrowed from German and French banks on "the market".

    Basically Ireland should stand up and saw to Merkovy, cancel the debt we have bailed out our banks but we are not bailing out yours too and let Germany and France endure the roasting of their financial house of cards collapsing also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    Do you realise how much money this country has spent so far? Literally like giving a heroin addict more heroin to cure him of his addiction.
    Yes. And I'm expecially aware of how much our deficit is.
    squod wrote: »
    We can't afford these borrowings! We can't afford them now, we couldn't afford them before now and we won't be able to afford them in the future.
    We certainly can't afford to live without them. We may not be able to afford to repay them, but we have a reasonable chance of having them restructured, expecially the promissory notes, sometime in the future when the wider European crisis has abated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I'm with the UK on this one when they say, 'F*CK OFF'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Jenroche


    It won't matter what way we vote. If we get it wrong, they'll just make us vote again until we give the answer they want. Why even bother?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Stinicker wrote: »

    Basically Ireland should stand up and saw to Merkovy, cancel the debt we have bailed out our banks but we are not bailing out yours too and let Germany and France endure the roasting of their financial house of cards collapsing also.
    You mean we borrowed the money to bail out our banks?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    I'm voting YES but secretly hoping that NO wins because it will prove once and for all that democracy doesn't work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Jenroche wrote: »
    It won't matter what way we vote. If we get it wrong, they'll just make us vote again until we give the answer they want. Why even bother?
    Why would they get us to vote again on this one? We don't have a veto this time - the rest can proceed without us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    If you remove the whole EU and them against us nonsense. It only makes sense that we control our public expenditure. The days of government free for all spending are over.

    Agreed. I'd happily vote for a referendum on including such rules in Ireland's statute books.
    I won't vote for anything which involves ceding any more sovereignty to the self styled king and queen of Europe. They can f*ck off.

    We should actually have two referenda, one on including such budgetary rules in our constitution, as an Irish matter, and one on ratifying the international treaty. That way we could still get the common sense fiscal policy the yes side will tell us we're missing out on, while refusing to acknowledge any greater authority than the Irish people over Irish affairs.

    Sounds like a good compromise to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Where To wrote: »
    I'm voting YES but secretly hoping that NO wins because it will prove once and for all that democracy doesn't work.

    So if you don't like the result democracy doesn't work?. You obviously don't have the the first clue about what democracy is. Democracy is respecting a vote, not disregarding it and asking again until people get the ''right answer''.
    What would you like democracy to be replaced with?.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    I'll vote No the first time and No the second time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I'm with the UK on this one when they say, 'F*CK OFF'.

    When the UK took a long hard look at the situation and said "good luck with that lads" the vast majority of eu countries envied them massively for having that option. The fiscal integration agenda has brought disaster down on this continent and here we are debating why we should wade further into that morass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Sinn Fein say they will be voting no, they issued 4,655,713 printed press releases costing an estimated €50,000 in ink alone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Bambi wrote: »
    When the UK took a long hard look at the situation and said "good luck with that lads" the vast majority of eu countries envied them massively for having that option. The fiscal integration agenda has brought disaster down on this continent and here we are debating why we should wade further into that morass.

    Get some perspective. Fiscal and national independence movements really brought disaster on this continent several times, not another recession that are cyclical events anyway, or in Irelands case, pretty much since the existence of the state, barring a few golden bubbles.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    quietriot wrote: »
    I intend to vote intelligently on the matter. That is, having read the text and making a decision on how to vote based on that text and my expectation of the consequences from it.

    I will not vote based on how I feel about the current government or what I think of the EU.

    It's unbelievably sad that I will be a miniscule minority in doing so. This country does not deserve democracy.

    Logic? Intelligent decisions? Get off our After Hours. :P

    I'm the same. I don't have political allegences one way or the other, and until I see some professionals discussing the consequences of either result, I won't make my decision. However, my result won't be based on what politicans are saying, be they one way or the other; it's going to be based on research and careful contemplation on the discussions which will ensue over the next few weeks.

    Of course, I know it's going to degenerate into "Vote yes to let Germany take control" and "Vote no to start World War Three"...


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