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Problem with homophobic girls

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    My being bisexual writes me off as a partner to a large number of lesbians in my experience.
    I've heard that more than once. A couple of my long term exes were bi with longterm relationships with women previous to me and they said the same thing*. There was a suspicion about bi folks. Low level enough, but definitely present. TBH I think I can see why. They might be wary of people they think might be doing a bit of sexual "tourism" and wouldn't be relationship material. Maybe that's part of it?

    As for homophobia in having a preference? I really don't think it is, in many cases anyway. It's just having a preference.






    *Given that relationship history the joke is I may be one of the few straight guys out there who doesn't get any jollies from the idea of two women together. It's actually a bit "eh... no. No thanks" for me.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    RWCNT wrote: »
    I love how people are trying to act as if being repulsed by someone's bisexuality is something intangible like not fancying someone with a certain dress sense as opposed to the deep instilled internalised prejudice stemming from being brought up in a heterocentric society that everyone's too PC to admit to nowadays.
    RWCNT wrote: »
    Strong words are a weakness of mine. Fair enough, I agree to that, scratch out "repulsed by" and replace it with "put off being sexually attracted to". How do you feel about the point now?

    So now you are saying who you are or arent attracted to is instilled into you by the society you are brought up in. That is a strange attitude from you I must say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Would it be ok to not want to shag someone who regularly used prostitues legally, abroad?


    Bizarre question but of course it's ok. I've never said that it's not ok for someone to not want to shag someone because their bisexual either. People can have preferences and do whatever they want. It just annoys me when people try to act as if they have nothing to do with prejudices we've picked up from the society we were raised in. I'm not saying anyone's being a bad person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    So now you are saying who you are or arent attracted to is instilled into you by the society you are brought up in. That is a strange attitude from you I must say.

    Obv not a Lady Gaga fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Hi
    I'm bisexual and while I can traipse down to the George and scab a smoke and end up in some guys apartment, the same cannot be said about women.
    I'm a bit campish in my demeanour and this puts all the girls in a sour mood. I'm 28 I can get a guy I'm good looking but have yet to meet a girl. No problems getting a woman in Spain, what's the story girls?

    Women are more aware that there is a higher chance of getting a very nasty STI from a man who has sex with other men. They're not being homophobic, just sensible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Bizarre question but of course it's ok. I've never said that it's not ok for someone to not want to shag someone because their bisexual either. People can have preferences and do whatever they want. It just annoys me when people try to act as if they have nothing to do with prejudices we've picked up from the society we were raised in. I'm not saying anyone's being a bad person.

    So is it "ok" or "prejudiced"? Which one?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    So now you are saying who you are or arent attracted to is instilled into you by the society you are brought up in. That is a strange attitude from you I must say.

    How is that strange at all? Of course society is going to influence who you are and arn't attracted to. I'm suggesting that if you find someone attractive but then cease to due to their bisexuality then it more than likely stems from the attitudes commonly held in the society you were brought up in. No need to be so defensive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    RWCNT wrote: »
    How is that strange at all? Of course society is going to influence who you are and arn't attracted to.

    That sort of undermines the idea that gay people are born, not made.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    So is it "ok" or "prejudiced"? Which one?

    Prejudices can be ok. As I said before, I know people who have nothing against gay people but feel uncomfortable seeing them kiss in public. This is obviously a prejudice as they don't feel this way about straight couples. They don't let this prejudice they've picked up negatively effect anyone though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Vet Thrower


    RoboRat wrote: »
    What about the woman who wont date a guy who has had sex with a goat? Its no different really.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8850298/Zimbabwean-man-claims-prostitute-turned-to-donkey.html

    What about this poor man? People are accusing him of having sex with a donkey, when what happened was that he paid to have sex with a prostitute, then someone put the juju on her and she turned into a donkey.

    As if being black wasn't enough of an obstacle, imagine the prejudice he is now going to face when he tries to find a sexual partner. He'll be lucky if he can even score a bisexual, God help him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Bi now, gay later.



    **** like this is why it took me decades to accept how I am. thanks for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    So now you are saying who you are or arent attracted to is instilled into you by the society you are brought up in. That is a strange attitude from you I must say.

    We were brought up in a society were we were supposed to be disgusted by homosexuality. I've witnessed it all growing up from primary school onwards that that stuff is sick, except for lesbians, that's hot.

    Obviously that has an effect on you. I had to overcome my own irrational disgust of gay sex just so I could grow up and be a healthy gay man.
    I've friends who are ok with homosexuality, but some are disgusted by gay sex. Why? There's actuality no good, logical reason as to why, it's the culture we grew up in.

    You might say it's not their preference, so it's ok, but I'm not disgusted my women and straight sex -because I never grew up in a world which told me to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    That sort of undermines the idea that gay people are born, not made.

    Read the sentance I wrote directly after for context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    We were brought up in a society were we were supposed to be disgusted by homosexuality. I've witnessed it all growing up from primary school onwards that that stuff is sick, except for lesbians, that's hot.

    Obviously that has an effect on you. I had to overcome my own irrational disgust of gay sex just so I could grow up and be a healthy gay man.
    I've friends who are ok with homosexuality, but some are disgusted by gay sex. Why? There's actuality no good, logical reason as to why, it's the culture we grew up in.

    You might say it's not their preference, so it's ok, but I'm not disgusted my women and straight sex -because I never grew up in a world which told me to.

    I'm disgusted by plenty of straight sexual practices which society never mentioned to me, much less taught me to hate, even though I'm straight. It's taste, not bigotry. Logic is irrelevant to this discussion. Logic is irrelevant to sexuality. If it wasn't, we'd all be bisexual but we aren't.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I doubt the George is the optimum place to pick up a lady, unless of course, you are a lady yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    I'm disgusted by plenty of straight sexual practices which society never mentioned to me, much less taught me to hate, even though I'm straight. It's taste, not bigotry. Logic is irrelevant to this discussion. Logic is irrelevant to sexuality. If it wasn't, we'd all be bisexual but we aren't.

    That's fine, but compare like for like.

    How is a man sucking a dick something to be put off by, if a woman does the same thing?

    In like for like situations, there's no good reason to. If you think about it, and yes, logically, you can overcome your irrationalities involving basic sex, speaking generally. I'm one who was disgusted by gay sex, and for no good reason. I thought about it and realised what's the big deal -a man and a woman can pretty much do what two men can, so what's the issue?

    I'm betting in a few decades such ideas will be long forgotten and people honesty won't care or second guess going out with a bisexual person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    That's fine, but compare like for like.

    How is a man sucking a dick something to be put off by, if a woman does the same thing?

    In like for like situations, there's no good reason to. If you think about it, and yes, logically, you can overcome your irrationalities involving basic sex, speaking generally. I'm one who was disgusted by gay sex, and for no good reason. I thought about it and realised what's the big deal -a man and a woman can pretty much do what two men can, so what's the issue?

    I'm betting in a few decades such ideas will be long forgotten and people honesty won't care or second guess going out with a bisexual person.

    Why should I try to overcome my alleged sexual irrationalities?

    Should you try and overcome your 'irrationallity' about not wanting to shag women? No, you shouldn't. You are entitled to want to shag or not shag anyone for any reason, as are we all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I've heard that more than once. A couple of my long term exes were bi with longterm relationships with women previous to me and they said the same thing*. There was a suspicion about bi folks. Low level enough, but definitely present. TBH I think I can see why. They might be wary of people they think might be doing a bit of sexual "tourism" and wouldn't be relationship material. Maybe that's part of it?

    On the one hand I can see gay girls' point because women are more likely to do a bit of experimentation and I don't think anybody wants to get emotionally involved with someone who views them as an experiment. You see some awful blue-boxing bitches messing with people's heads and not realising the hurt they're causing.

    On the other hand, that gets turned into "bi people don't exist" or "you'll grow out of it" and other really frustrating condescending stuff. I've been in conversations where gay and straight people have felt entitled to ask pretty detailed questions about my sexual history in order for me to "prove" to them that I was bisexual.

    And the kind of things that have been posted here about not wanting to be with someone who's put a cock somewhere you wouldn't personally put a cock works against bi girls too. Everyone's just cockphobic really :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Class Act


    Tilly wrote: »
    that's coming from a girl who has 3 gay mates so i'm not homophobic.

    Ah the aul "Some of my my best friends are gay!" line!!😊


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    judgmental homophobic whores man


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    And the kind of things that have been posted here about not wanting to be with someone who's put a cock somewhere you wouldn't personally put a cock works against bi girls too. Everyone's just cockphobic really :pac:

    Good word I'm going to use it it more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Maphisto wrote: »
    Good word I'm going to use it it more.

    It's surprisingly difficult to work into a conversation!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    3...2...1


    Time for a Traveller thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Refusing to have sex with you doesn't make a girl homophobic.

    that's the difference between a 'b*tch' and a 'sl*t'....a sl*t will sleep with anyone, a b*tch with anyone but you....

    (ducks 'n runs, bobs 'n weaves....)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    OP unless you tell them straight off the bat they actually have no idea you are bi-sexual by the way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    And please stop comparing having sex with a goat to being bi sexual...we get enough bad PR.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    Lou.m wrote: »
    And please stop comparing having sex with a goat to being bi sexual...we get enough bad PR.

    Are you a goat?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Wibbs wrote: »
    *Given that relationship history the joke is I may be one of the few straight guys out there who doesn't get any jollies from the idea of two women together. It's actually a bit "eh... no. No thanks" for me.


    I dunno is it really that rare though outside porn tbh. I mean, it's a common fantasy for a reason - because the guys with these sorts of fantasies usually have the idea of two or more femme lesbians that want them, a bit like the girl that thinks she's all that and a bag of chips that she can 'convert' gay guys. It's an ego trip that very rarely plays out in reality the way the guy saw it going in his head.

    For me personally, I like my women like my whiskey - straight up. I'm not into doubles or mixing, that just complicates things. All these arguments about 'logic' and 'bigotry' are pure nonsense that ignores the fact that nobody is just a cum receptacle, they're human beings with thoughts, feelings, fears and preferences of their own, and arguing 'logic' when it comes to sex is just bollocks, because it's trying to justify taking the fun out of sex and reduce it to some sanitary biological process.

    There's a time for science, and logic, and rational thought, and certainly it has it's place, but I don't want to be thinking about evolutionary and reproductive processes and chemical reactions when I'm having sex, just takes all the fun out of it!

    And if not being attracted to men means I'm homophobic in some peoples eyes, then they're the person with the issue, and not me.*





    *The only issue I have is that I seem to have a disproportionate amount of femme lesbian friends because it's only after chatting to them I find out they're lesbian or bisexual.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Lou.m wrote: »
    OP unless you tell them straight off the bat they actually have no idea you are bi-sexual by the way.


    I think the OP is working off the misguided notion that every woman should be turned on by the idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    Muise... wrote: »
    but the smiley had no cock in its mouth. :confused:
    Tilly wrote: »
    I'll put in a request to DeV to have a cock smiley included.

    Help Yeselves. :cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Ditch wrote: »

    Cigar catches fire and disappears? Looks like I've been doing it wrong all this time. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    I think the OP is working off the misguided notion that every woman should be turned on by the idea.

    I think the OP is sitting back watching everyone arguing and being delighted with himself.

    It is something that a lot of women find to be a turn on in fairness. Pair of hot lads going at each other? OK! :D (probably nsfw)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    I think the OP is sitting back watching everyone arguing and being delighted with himself.

    It is something that a lot of women find to be a turn on in fairness. Pair of hot lads going at each other? OK! :D (probably nsfw)


    N'awful difference electro between "a lot", and "every"... :D

    As for the OP, just like people can smell desperation, they can also smell delusional coming a mile off :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    N'awful difference electro between "a lot", and "every"... :D

    As for the OP, just like people can smell desperation, they can also smell delusional coming a mile off :p

    To be totally honest I just wanted an excuse to google that gif...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    For me personally, I like my women like my whiskey - straight up. I'm not into doubles or mixing, that just complicates things.

    No way?!

    You'd turn down a double whiskey?

    You're not the man I thought you were....

    :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    To be totally honest I just wanted an excuse to google that gif...


    At least it wasn't as bad as the other GIF above, any guy with an inflamed penis that red would want to be seeing his GP stat!


    Hmm, where's the vom GIF? :(


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    wexie wrote: »
    No way?!

    You'd turn down a double whiskey?

    You're not the man I thought you were....

    :(
    Yea that's just all sorts of wrong.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yea that's just all sorts of wrong.

    as if whiskey can be measured in units, :cool: g'way with yeer millilitres!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    If you don't fancy someone who's gay or straight, you just... don't fancy them.
    But if you don't fancy them and they're bisexual, it's homophobia. Good to know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Magaggie wrote: »
    If you don't fancy someone who's gay or straight, you just... don't fancy them.
    But if you don't fancy them and they're bisexual, it's homophobia. Good to know.

    I actually think if you dont fancy a person BECAUSE they are bisexual then it is homophobia/biphobia.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    I actually think if you dont fancy a person BECAUSE they are bisexual then it is homophobia/biphobia.

    I think the fancying and judging functions live in completely separate parts of the mind/heart/loins.

    If you fancy someone, and have qualms about acting on it because you hear they are bisexual and this freaks you out, you still fancy them. You might even enjoy the rush of the dissonance...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    I actually think if you dont fancy a person BECAUSE they are bisexual then it is homophobia/biphobia.


    I'd have to question that, simply because a phobia is commonly understood to be an irrational fear, and there's nothing irrational or fearful about the fact that I'm turned off a girl because she is bisexual. They're called deal-breakers.

    I'm also not attracted to someone if they're only sponging drinks off me all night, and we wouldn't call that a phobia.

    When you start using umbrella terms for perfectly normal human behavior, that's when things get a bit silly and people are justified in thinking you're being needlessly petty and unreasonable.

    Homophobia used to actually mean something, before it became a label for everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭cletus van damme


    I actually think if you dont fancy a person BECAUSE they are bisexual then it is homophobia/biphobia.

    what happens if you do fancy them but won't sleep with them?


    I fancied many women who never slept with me ...are they men haters?
    ah yes...yes they were!!!

    some utter bonkers ideas in this thread...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    I actually think if you dont fancy a person BECAUSE they are bisexual then it is homophobia/biphobia.

    Sexual liberty for consenting adults works both ways.

    It allows us to be attracted to anyone and not be judged or condemned for it. (Within the bounds of reason/law/social justice).

    It also allows us to not be attracted to anyone and not be judged or condemned for it.

    It's preferences, people, not hatred.

    The term homophobia (and various other "isms" and "phobias") is used aggressively and recklessly to stifle rational discussion. It's overuse has diluted it's meaning and reduced it's potency. Which is a shame, as such things exist and need to be combated. They just don't exist to the same extent and often don't exist at all in places those who like to feel self-righteous outrage and/or wrap themselves in the cloak of victimhood claim they do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    I wish I believed that there's no prejudice in being almost revulsed by bi people. Do you not get that they're the same people no matter who they're dating/having sex with. It's not something that defines them, and it's not going to have any bearing on your relationship no more than any other monogamous relationship. So I really can't understand being put off by it. Of course you will like what you like but when there's so many people that feel so strongly against dating a bi person, it just says that people still don't accept them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    I wish I believed that there's no prejudice in being almost revulsed by bi people. Do you not get that they're the same people no matter who they're dating/having sex with. It's not something that defines them, and it's not going to have any bearing on your relationship no more than any other monogamous relationship. So I really can't understand being put off by it. Of course you will like what you like but when there's so many people that feel so strongly against dating a bi person, it just says that people still don't accept them.


    Would a vegan be put off by a meat eater?


    That's not a euphemism btw :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    It's not something that defines them, and it's not going to have any bearing on your relationship no more than any other monogamous relationship.

    And therein (I think) lies the crux for many people : 'but if they like willies and pussies and I only have a willy/pussy.....how will they ever be satisfied with just me?'


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭BetterThanThou


    I'm gay, so you can't call me homophobic, but I'd never knowingly sleep with a bisexual. While I don't have a problem with bisexuals, it's a huge turn off for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭takamichinoku


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    I wish I believed that there's no prejudice in being almost revulsed by bi people. Do you not get that they're the same people no matter who they're dating/having sex with. It's not something that defines them, and it's not going to have any bearing on your relationship no more than any other monogamous relationship. So I really can't understand being put off by it. Of course you will like what you like but when there's so many people that feel so strongly against dating a bi person, it just says that people still don't accept them.
    Always seems like there's some sort of inherent thing built into people that's only able to handle binary options. Like, a desire to get rid of any kind of grey and make everything black and white; people don't like change so they're hardly going to embrace fluidity over something that they view as fixed.

    Maybe there's also issues arising from how difficult it is to portray a bisexual character in any kind of fiction. Even if you have a character who identifies as bisexual, you'll basically have to have two romances running through it to be like "SEE! BISEXUAL!" Whereas there have been loads of homosexual characters in films/tv/etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    wexie wrote: »
    And therein (I think) lies the crux for many people : 'but if they like willies and pussies and I only have a willy/pussy.....how will they ever be satisfied with just me?'


    No doubt that'll be counteracted by someone suggesting that you could never be sure either that your partner will be satisfied with just your willy, and while that might be true, you at least know from the outset there's a better chance they will be.


    (of course I'm fairly vanilla in my sexual antics anyway at my age, you're unlikely to catch me swinging from the rafters any time soon, I have a phobia about breaking my neck... such is the price of being a square/prude/<insert other term I couldn't care less about here>).


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