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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2015*

  • 06-03-2014 9:57pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭


    I'm doing the HPat next year (2015) and am wondering what books are useful to help prepare? Are there any logical reasoning books etc that people would recommend?

    I'm aware of the ACER e-books and plan to purchase them later this year.

    Thanks.

    Mod Edit: Going to start this as the 2015 thread. It might seem early but last years crowd had one set up a year and a half in advance! ;)

    2nd Mod edit: Do NOT use this thread for 'join me in m***ntry deals' posts. Put them in Health Sciences Education where they belong. Any posted here will be deleted.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    I'm doing the HPat next year (2015) and am wondering what books are useful to help prepare? Are there any logical reasoning books etc that people would recommend?

    I'm aware of the ACER e-books and plan to purchase them later this year.

    Thanks.

    No , there's just acer tests and prep courses . Buy the acer tests , best thing to do .


  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭MangoMachine


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    No , there's just acer tests and prep courses . Buy the acer tests , best thing to do .

    Cheers, is there any books that could help strengthen section 1 and 3? I heard that psychometric books were recommended by some people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Magenta7


    Hi I'm new to boards, just wondering have any of you started doing preparation yet and if so what have you done? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Cheers, is there any books that could help strengthen section 1 and 3? I heard that psychometric books were recommended by some people.

    Well I've sat it and honestly nothing as good as acer tests .
    However mensa books are good . I have a few at home . They have patterns and problems . Med entry give a free sample test too. Start there !


  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭MangoMachine


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Well I've sat it and honestly nothing as good as acer tests .
    However mensa books are good . I have a few at home . They have patterns and problems . Med entry give a free sample test too. Start there !
    .

    Thanks,
    I've ordered one Mensa book for now, it's called Chalenge Your Brain Math and Logic Puzzles so hopefully it helps!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    .

    Thanks,
    I've ordered one Mensa book for now, it's called Chalenge Your Brain Math and Logic Puzzles so hopefully it helps!
    I think i have it . It's good for problem solving and Getting your mind to think outside the box .


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 iwillarise


    Hi guys,

    Do you have to sit your leaving and take your HPAT in the same year?

    Also, is there a limit on the amount of times one can sit it? Ive already taken it twice (With a deviation of two marks!)

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Bazinga_N


    It's pretty scary to think this thread is the one before the one that relates to me :eek:

    Would it be worth my while trying to do the HPAT in 5th year instead of 6th year? It might reduce the stress in sixth year and I'd prefer to get it out of the way, or do you have to sit both your LC and HPAT in the same year?

    I'm in TY now so I have time to prepare for the test if I was to do it next year :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    Bazinga_N wrote: »
    It's pretty scary to think this thread is the one before the one that relates to me :eek:

    Would it be worth my while trying to do the HPAT in 5th year instead of 6th year? It might reduce the stress in sixth year and I'd prefer to get it out of the way, or do you have to sit both your LC and HPAT in the same year?

    I'm in TY now so I have time to prepare for the test if I was to do it next year :)
    No, you can't do it before 6th year, enjoy yourself instead :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭quirkista


    Magenta7 wrote: »
    Hi I'm new to boards, just wondering have any of you started doing preparation yet and if so what have you done? :)

    I have started my preparation recently, focusing in particular on the logic section as it tends to let me down a small bit. Overall, I don't think its too bad :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Hon the Dubs


    hey guys thin it's time for me to start studying fir this hpat now! WHat is everyone else doing? Just don't know where to start tbh...


  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭marko747


    Hi all, I will be going into Sixth Year this September and I am hoping to study medicine. I am planning on attending some preparation courses next year, but I was wondering, are there any online resources for the HPAT that I could be working on over the Summer? Thanks :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 DaveMc90


    This chat is fairly dull, is there any threads where everyone actually writes on and gives there accounts of what there doing relative to hpat study and stuff?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Theboybang


    I am doing the LC this year and hope to do medicine . Am looking at doing a prep course but am not in a position to drop €600 if they're not going to hugely help me . I have a few sample papers and I am wondering if they will suffice . Also which prep course would you advise doing and are there books that can help ?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭EaSwe


    Agh this LC and HPAT stuff is a bit too real now! Anyone applying to UCAS for Med in the UK? I'm doing it as a Plan B should going for Med in Ireland not work out. Fingers crossed it'll all work out though.
    Anyone want to take a gawk at the ****ty (and far too long) first draft of my personal statement.. Need some feedback as to what works and what doesnt.. and what I should cut out. (I need to cut out about ten lines to meet UCAS' limit). Link: http://pastebin.com/LYYgP9YD. (I've redacted some identifying info)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Beca19


    EaSwe wrote: »
    Agh this LC and HPAT stuff is a bit too real now! Anyone applying to UCAS for Med in the UK? I'm doing it as a Plan B should going for Med in Ireland not work out. Fingers crossed it'll all work out though.
    Anyone want to take a gawk at the ****ty (and far too long) first draft of my personal statement.. Need some feedback as to what works and what doesnt.. and what I should cut out. (I need to cut out about ten lines to meet UCAS' limit). Link: http://pastebin.com/LYYgP9YD. (I've redacted some identifying info)

    That's pretty impressive, you've some great experiences and scientific achievements! Maybe whip out the thesaurus to change a couple words you've repeated a few times but yeah, I'm jealous of all the things you can put on yours :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Magenta7


    The fact that there is an official date for the HPAT 2015 makes the whole thing so much more daunting!! Done my first full practice exam on ******** and got 89th percentile overall :O would be delighted if I could get this in the real thing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 AvrilB


    Please read the charter about spamming for 'discount groups'


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 asdfrewq


    Hey, so unfortunately I have to repeat the Hpat this year and was wondering if any successful candidate had practice material they could part with?
    Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭alaskayoung


    Was wondering where this thread had got to :P

    Oh to be a first time HPAT'er again bursting with enthusiasm and optimism...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭little sis...


    Doing dentistry this year but will probably give this another shot... Why not ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Hey guys ðŸ˜႒ how's HPAT study going? ðŸ˜႒ I'm repeating it this year.. So hopefully it all goes well! ðŸ˜႒


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 276 ✭✭Gallagher1


    Hey guys ðŸ˜႒ how's HPAT study going? ðŸ˜႒ I'm repeating it this year.. So hopefully it all goes well! ðŸ˜႒

    repeating as well woooo :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Yup, surely am! ;) not as bad as I thought it would be....:) Early days though:D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Hmmm.. Thinking about doing a Med-Entry prep course...anyone else thinking along the same lines?;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭yoyojc


    Hi, not mentioning any course in particular because I know you're not allowed but do you think I'd be better off doing the prep course and getting pracitce material at the end of October or end of December? I'd love to hear from people who have done it before


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Do You Even Squat


    Hmmm.. Thinking about doing a Med-Entry prep course...anyone else thinking along the same lines?;)

    Yeah. Not happy about it though


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Yeah. Not happy about it though

    Nobody would be happy to repeat but I suppose if you really want to do something you'll do it ;) Med-Entry is supposed to be very worthwhile but a bit pricey all the same..:/ I'm just going to work with the exercises and sample tests I have for the moment...I might not even bother with a prep course.. I'll have to give it a good bit of thought as I don't want to waste my parents money if it's not going to pay off...;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Do You Even Squat


    Nobody would be happy to repeat but I suppose if you really want to do something you'll do it ;) Med-Entry is supposed to be very worthwhile but a bit pricey all the same..:/ I'm just going to work with the exercises and sample tests I have for the moment...I might not even bother with a prep course.. I'll have to give it a good bit of thought as I don't want to waste my parents money if it's not going to pay off...;)

    No sorry i mean im not happy about doing a prep course (in 6th yr atm). Seems like a pretty big scam. It just undermines the whole reason why the hpat was established. Then again, acer give out practice material for an exam you apparently cant study for so it's probably best to spend a few quid to help me out. It's pretty depressing tbh


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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    No sorry i mean im not happy about doing a prep course (in 6th yr atm). Seems like a pretty big scam. It just undermines the whole reason why the hpat was established. Then again, acer give out practice material for an exam you apparently cant study for so it's probably best to spend a few quid to help me out. It's pretty depressing tbh
    Oh right!ðŸ˜႒ Yeah I see what you mean..;) Money is the main catalyst for the whole idea of the HPAT..;) Hopefully it won't be around for much longer though...:/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭EaSwe


    Beca19 wrote: »
    That's pretty impressive, you've some great experiences and scientific achievements! Maybe whip out the thesaurus to change a couple words you've repeated a few times but yeah, I'm jealous of all the things you can put on yours :(

    Thanks, :) Yeah I'm after noticing a few of those repeated phrases and I'll fix them. Where are you thinking of applying to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭leopard trek


    Starting prep for the hpat tomorrow, it all seems so real now:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    yoyojc wrote: »
    Hi, not mentioning any course in particular because I know you're not allowed but do you think I'd be better off doing the prep course and getting pracitce material at the end of October or end of December? I'd love to hear from people who have done it before

    I'd say the end of october ;) it would give you more time to study the material and fully digest it ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Starting prep for the hpat tomorrow, it all seems so real now:o

    It's quite daunting..:) Acer sample tests are very good though and are the most like the real thing;) you can actually go to the official acer website and download a free HPAT sample test ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭leopard trek


    It's quite daunting..:) Acer sample tests are very good though and are the most like the real thing;) you can actually go to the official acer website and download a free HPAT sample test ;)

    Thanks ;) have you done it?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Thanks ;) have you done it?

    yes;) didn't study for it first time round and didn't do well enough so I decided to repeat it ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 LeapOfFaith


    Hey !

    So Im going to give it one final stab and repeat my hpat this year year, only thing is I did med entry last year and feel that were I to do again I'd be answering from memory and thus be wasting my time.

    I would really appreciate any advice on other prep courses that I could take or even personal methods of preparation that u have found helpful.

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Gabrielazap


    Hey !

    So Im going to give it one final stab and repeat my hpat this year year, only thing is I did med entry last year and feel that were I to do again I'd be answering from memory and thus be wasting my time.

    I would really appreciate any advice on other prep courses that I could take or even personal methods of preparation that u have found helpful.

    Thanks.

    Hey I'm also repeating the HPAT !;) Trying to approach it differently this year...hopefully it works ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 LeapOfFaith


    Hey I'm also repeating the HPAT !;) Trying to approach it differently this year...hopefully it works ;)

    Hey! Yeah that's what I thought
    I have done the HPAT x2 and both times I got the exact same result, point per point.
    I really want to get it right this time but I have no clue what to do differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    I really want to get it right this time but I have no clue what to do differently.
    All one can do is hone their technique. You can't really do anything but that really, so there's nothing to do differently :)

    Best of luck, but if you've been unlucky twice, I wouldn't get my hopes up I guess :/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭leopard trek


    Best of luck, but if you've been unlucky twice, I wouldn't get my hopes up I guess :/[/QUOTE]

    Great encouragement!
    Work hard at it man and hopefully things will work out for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    Great encouragement!
    Work hard at it man and hopefully things will work out for you

    What do you want me to say? I'm assuming this person is a mature young adult, there's no point beating around the bush. ”Working hard" won't really improve your HPAT after a certain amount of effort.

    For what it's worth, I know someone who got in on her third sitting of the HPAT. It's far from impossible! :) However of you sat a prep course twice and still missed out by a good bit, it's unlikely, and there's no point lying about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 LeapOfFaith


    What do you want me to say? I'm assuming this person is a mature young adult, there's no point beating around the bush. ”Working hard" won't really improve your HPAT after a certain amount of effort.

    For what it's worth, I know someone who got in on her third sitting of the HPAT. It's far from impossible! :) However of you sat a prep course twice and still missed out by a good bit, it's unlikely, and there's no point lying about it.

    No I did not sit a prep course twice -chanced my arm the first time and then enrolled in prep second time.
    That's where my dilemma arises. I want to do it differently, however hard I have to work, get some tips from those in a similar situation and maybe, just maybe get it right this time.
    So thanks for your input


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    No I did not sit a prep course twice -chanced my arm the first time and then enrolled in prep second time.
    That's where my dilemma arises. I want to do it differently, however hard I have to work, get some tips from those in a similar situation and maybe, just maybe get it right this time.
    So thanks for your input

    In that case, definitely do a prep course, if you want this :) Med entry spam this place like mad but they are probably the best, most people I know in Med did it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Do You Even Squat


    How realistic are the ACER papers? I did one today without any prep, thought i did a lot worse than i actually did but came out with 185 points. I know that each q isnt equally marked but that result exceeded my expectations by a country mile. My only conclusion is that those sample tests dont represent the real exam. In sect 1 i had 10 mins to spare but didnt look over my answers which i really should have because i did pretty poorly in it and in section 2 i had 15mins to spare, didnt look over and got 5 wrong. These tests must be easier than the real deal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 totallyrandom


    Hi everyone! Seeing as I got offered med a month ago and that this time last year I was totally clueless on how to practice for the hpat, I thought I might just jot down a few tips for ye.

    Firstly anyway, I would recommend starting practice as early as possible. I bought the Med-Entry materials myself last September and I just started doing drills essentially, and after a while I started doing the practice exams that they have. The M.E tests are of a relatively appropriate difficulty although the difficulty does vary quite a bit test to test. Essentially I just made a routine of practicing the hpat early on (maybe a 20 minute drill a day or something like that, its hard to remember, sorry). The closer the hpat got the more practice I did btw. I generally did an exam every Saturday or every second Saturday. I also did the M.E lecture class and for me it was quite the benefit, although that's probably subjective. It was only after the class (I did it in October, so that I'd be able to change how I practiced early on if any helpful tips were given, etc..) that I got probably settled down in terms of my hpat study. The lecturer was very motivational!

    I had finished all the M.E practice exams and drills by about the end of January. I had heard that the ACER official tests were way easier than the real hpat. Unfortunately, they were right. At least imo, the hpat 2014 was WAY harder than the official tests, they were more on par with the harder but not hardest M.E tests. Maybe the 2015 hpay won't be as hard? But because I knew that they were easier I decided that the week before the hpat I'd do the ACER tests just so that I'd have more confidence in my own ability, which I thought would help me on the day. Anyway, when I finished the M.E tests ( I didn't realise I'd be done the M.E exams so early) I actually bought the Med-Start online exams ( If I can remember correctly they were selling umat online exams not the hpat, but they're almost the exact same thing). I only did 1 or 2 of those though, they were way harder than M.E. So, don't feel pressured to buy Med-Start ones unless maybe you run out of tests to do like me. M.E were the best anyway.

    When the mocks were on in early February I mainly studied for the hpat ( The mocks aren't life altering). I also studied exclusively for the hpat during mid-term and I took 4 days off of school the week before the actual hpat (that's when I did the ACER tests). It probably seems like I did too much hpat study but I know someone who practiced M.E but not enough according to him and he didn't get med the first time, he did a year of college then and repeated the hpat and got it the second time - something like 96% also. So I took his advice and general routine into account and I did loads of study for the hpat (but I'm happy now that I did, so..). Anyways, after the hpat I ate the books so I made up for it.

    Well, I hope these few tips help and if ye have any questions feel free to ask. Also, good luck in the real hpat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 alpha2omega


    Can anybody clarify this for me? I've heard differing things.

    Can I do the HPAT in 2015 and use my 2014 leaving cert results to reapply for the CAO in 2015?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 DaveMc90


    Hi everyone! Seeing as I got offered med a month ago and that this time last year I was totally clueless on how to practice for the hpat, I thought I might just jot down a few tips for ye.

    Firstly anyway, I would recommend starting practice as early as possible. I bought the Med-Entry materials myself last September and I just started doing drills essentially, and after a while I started doing the practice exams that they have. The M.E tests are of a relatively appropriate difficulty although the difficulty does vary quite a bit test to test. Essentially I just made a routine of practicing the hpat early on (maybe a 20 minute drill a day or something like that, its hard to remember, sorry). The closer the hpat got the more practice I did btw. I generally did an exam every Saturday or every second Saturday. I also did the M.E lecture class and for me it was quite the benefit, although that's probably subjective. It was only after the class (I did it in October, so that I'd be able to change how I practiced early on if any helpful tips were given, etc..) that I got probably settled down in terms of my hpat study. The lecturer was very motivational!

    I had finished all the M.E practice exams and drills by about the end of January. I had heard that the ACER official tests were way easier than the real hpat. Unfortunately, they were right. At least imo, the hpat 2014 was WAY harder than the official tests, they were more on par with the harder but not hardest M.E tests. Maybe the 2015 hpay won't be as hard? But because I knew that they were easier I decided that the week before the hpat I'd do the ACER tests just so that I'd have more confidence in my own ability, which I thought would help me on the day. Anyway, when I finished the M.E tests ( I didn't realise I'd be done the M.E exams so early) I actually bought the Med-Start online exams ( If I can remember correctly they were selling umat online exams not the hpat, but they're almost the exact same thing). I only did 1 or 2 of those though, they were way harder than M.E. So, don't feel pressured to buy Med-Start ones unless maybe you run out of tests to do like me. M.E were the best anyway.

    When the mocks were on in early February I mainly studied for the hpat ( The mocks aren't life altering). I also studied exclusively for the hpat during mid-term and I took 4 days off of school the week before the actual hpat (that's when I did the ACER tests). It probably seems like I did too much hpat study but I know someone who practiced M.E but not enough according to him and he didn't get med the first time, he did a year of college then and repeated the hpat and got it the second time - something like 96% also. So I took his advice and general routine into account and I did loads of study for the hpat (but I'm happy now that I did, so..). Anyways, after the hpat I ate the books so I made up for it.

    Well, I hope these few tips help and if ye have any questions feel free to ask. Also, good luck in the real hpat.

    Did you nearly study more for the hpat than the LC itself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    DaveMc90 wrote: »
    Did you nearly study more for the hpat than the LC itself?

    Anyone who did that would be nuts. You can only do so much work for the HPAT before it borders pointlessness, whereas with the LC even the 100th hour of study for an exam can help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 totallyrandom


    DaveMc90 wrote: »
    Did you nearly study more for the hpat than the LC itself?

    No, not at all. I did 20 mins a day of the hpat like up until January ( a drill a day) and a test every week or every second week. But during the 2 weeks before the actual HPAT I definitely did more HPAT study than lc study. To be honest anyway in the 3 months before the lc but after the HPAT you can get sooo much work for the lc done.

    Of course though how much you want to do is entirely up to you. Some people have to do more HPAT practice than others for the same score.

    Also I forgot to mention up in my last post that timing yourself on a test is the most important thing and always go through your incorrect answers.


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