Delivering and developing FETAC modules

fatherted1969 · 22-12-2010 10:52pm

Hi Seems to be a lot of tutors on this thread so i hope someone could advise me. I'm currently working with a girl with a learning disability who is interested in working in a creche eventually as a childcare assistant.

I know there is a Fetac qualifacation necessery for this but i'm wondering what is the entry level she could start. I'm not sure she could manage Fetac level 5 also why would the steps she would need to take to get a job in her chosen career. I'm only a student myself so i'm not to sure what direction to take

Thanks

looksee · 23-12-2010 5:36pm

Its a bit difficult to answer without more specific information about her ability, but she would, as you say, need a level 5 cert. Generally she would need to be able to cope with this level, it is done in one year and while there are other Fetac levels, usually students go in after leaving cert.

While VEC providers make every effort to assist someone with learning problems - usually literacy issues like dyslexia - and there is learning support, she would ultimately need to be able to pass the course and there is written work involved.

Her best approach would be to enquire in a local centre and find out whether it would be feasible for her to do the course.

adam323 · 23-12-2010 11:10pm

Hi im new to this so dont really no what im doing ha..
Since yous are all talking about fetac courses.I taught i ask about the fetac level 3 course.Im starting it in the new year as i left school after 3rd year.Thinking i new it all and dident need an education.Was in with the wrong crowd.Doing the wrong things drinking doing drugs.From the age of fifteen Same stuff you hear all the time.Well long story cut short all done with now.And i no i need a education now,Im twenty two and dont really no what to do and where to start i done my junior cert.Well i just posted this to see what i can do after i finsh the fetac course.And see if i could go on to further education.??.Iike some type of course in college as a mature studen is that possible?..Would be very greatful for some sort of direction as im totally lost and dont no were to start.....
Ps sorry if theres miss spellings ha!!

looksee · 24-12-2010 11:20pm

adam323 wrote: »

Hi im new to this so dont really no what im doing ha..
Since yous are all talking about fetac courses.I taught i ask about the fetac level 3 course.Im starting it in the new year as i left school after 3rd year.Thinking i new it all and dident need an education.Was in with the wrong crowd.Doing the wrong things drinking doing drugs.From the age of fifteen Same stuff you hear all the time.Well long story cut short all done with now.And i no i need a education now,Im twenty two and dont really no what to do and where to start i done my junior cert.Well i just posted this to see what i can do after i finsh the fetac course.And see if i could go on to further education.??.Iike some type of course in college as a mature studen is that possible?..Would be very greatful for some sort of direction as im totally lost and dont no were to start.....
Ps sorry if theres miss spellings ha!!

Good luck to you, that's a good decision.

You cannot go into Higher Education as a mature student till you are 23 (23 at the start of the year - January - in which you apply), but you will need to work up to level 5 in Fetac.

A good result in a level 5 course is often a way into an IT college, but you will have to check out the exact course that you want to do and find the best FETAC course to get into it.

Just a point that may be helpful, and a lot of people get confused about it, Further Education is the FETAC - type courses. Courses that lead to a degree in Institutes of Technology and Universities are called Higher Education.

naughto · 03-01-2011 9:22pm

hi iam trying to find some info i have done 2 years in gmit at castlebar
studing higher certificate in science in information technology support.
i am currently doing a leve 5 graphic design course in castlebar further education and it is manatory to do two weeks work experience.

iam finding it very hard to get work experience as a lot of the companys
are very quite or on 3 day weeks.
as i have done work placement in the above course at level 6 will i be able to use this as my work placement.

http://www.gmit.ie/castlebar/technology/cert-it-support.html

looksee · 03-01-2011 10:10pm

naughto wrote: »

hi iam trying to find some info i have done 2 years in gmit at castlebar
studing higher certificate in science in information technology support.
i am currently doing a leve 5 graphic design course in castlebar further education and it is manatory to do two weeks work experience.

iam finding it very hard to get work experience as a lot of the companys
are very quite or on 3 day weeks.
as i have done work placement in the above course at level 6 will i be able to use this as my work placement.

http://www.gmit.ie/castlebar/technology/cert-it-support.html

The only definite way of getting an answer to this is to ask your work experience teacher and see if you can get an exemption. Did you pass the work experience module on the previous course? If you did it might be allowed but it's up to your college to agree to the arrangements.

naughto · 03-01-2011 10:27pm

yea i passed it got a fairly good mark in it.how long does it take to get an exemption do you know.if i ring them up will they be able to tell me

Further Ed. · 03-01-2011 11:43pm

This is an issue which can not be decided by your FE college since your Higher Cert was awarded by HETAC and not FETAC. Your college will have to refer the matter to FETAC unless they have advanced QA procedures agreed with FETAC and thus can make a decision without referral.

You will have to provide the FETAC Co-ordinator in your college with all the transcripts/results of the Higher Cert course and they will have to apply to FETAC for it to be considered instead of the FETAC Level 5. While on the surface it looks like a cut and dried decision the Higher Cert module must match the aims of the FETAC module and result in the same amount of time spent and work submitted as the FETAC module. This is something that you should have been advised to do at the start of the year. It is not a quick process.

Re not getting anything only 3 days each week I would advise you to take whatever placement you can get in the industry as work or a job may come of it and if you don't not get your exemption then you can build up your days during Easter holidays or at weekends. I am aware in some FE colleges that if you don't go out on placement for the period allocated by the college you will be marked absent for the duration unless you attend classes or complete a in-house placement.

looksee · 04-01-2011 1:37am

Good points FurtherEd, I missed the bit about level 6.

irishneady · 08-01-2011 4:13pm

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Hi Seems to be a lot of tutors on this thread so i hope someone could advise me. I'm currently working with a girl with a learning disability who is interested in working in a creche eventually as a childcare assistant.

I know there is a Fetac qualifacation necessery for this but i'm wondering what is the entry level she could start. I'm not sure she could manage Fetac level 5 also why would the steps she would need to take to get a job in her chosen career. I'm only a student myself so i'm not to sure what direction to take

Thanks

Hello
Could she see undertake one module at a time on FETAC Childcare as with new ECCE scheme all childcare practitioners must hold A FETAC 5 in childcare by 2012.

zxcvbnm12 · 04-03-2011 12:25am

i teach a number of fetac modules but have a new one this yr.health awareness level 5.has anyone ever thought it

blue banana · 20-06-2011 8:04pm

Hi, apologies if I should start a new thread for this post.

I'm thinking of delivering Presentation Skills and Technology, Level 5 L22525. This is the "old" module descriptor http://www.fetac.ie/doc/WelcomeServlet?DocId=0901df9e8002e97d but I'm looking for the "new" code and Component Specification.

I don't want to start it if it's going to be discontinued.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

rainbowtrout · 20-06-2011 8:12pm

blue banana wrote: »

Hi, apologies if I should start a new thread for this post.

I'm thinking of delivering Presentation Skills and Technology, Level 5 L22525. This is the "old" module descriptor http://www.fetac.ie/doc/WelcomeServlet?DocId=0901df9e8002e97d but I'm looking for the "new" code and Component Specification.

I don't want to start it if it's going to be discontinued.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

This is the last academic year to present all Level 5 modules for assessment. They are all changing next year. However from what I've seen of the content of the new Level 3 and 4 modules the content isn't going to change wildly, so I would say go ahead and teach it and when the new module comes out you probably won't have to make that many changes.

blue banana · 20-06-2011 8:23pm

Thanks RainbowTrout, yes I've noticed that the other modules that I'm currently covering do not have huge changes, I suppose I'm more concerned that Presentation skills etc would not be available at all.

Cheers

rainbowtrout · 20-06-2011 8:32pm

There's no new module descriptor up for it yet, but Level 5 are being introduced in two batches. Some next year and some the year after.

blue banana · 20-06-2011 8:41pm

Ah, I see, Presentation Skills and Technology it is then. Thanks a million.;)

Further Ed. · 23-06-2011 2:34pm

First things first while the new component spec don't look much different - apart from updating and lack of marking schemes you do have to have approval to deliver them - no longer cause you are a FETAC centre can you deliver FETAC awards without going through the porgramme approval process etc. Each programme must be approved by FETAC for delivery by each provider - this is a major change.

If you plan on delivering check on the FETAC Business System that your centre is approved for it - it is a locally devised module ie starts with L.
In this case the module is part of the old NCVA processes and not the new CAS process so check when it due for withdrawal - you don't want to enter learners for it and discover they can not be certified. You can not deliver an old module and then have it entered under the new CAS system.

I am assuming that you plan to deliver it as part of a one year PLC course and if that is the case I would say that you should be ok but get it in writing from FETAC. If you are a public provider then check with the FESS.

Inishowen Fire Protection · 16-08-2011 5:44pm

Hi,
looking to see if there is any person / organisation who can assist in the process of registering for FETAC accreditation for myself. I previously delivered FETAC courses accredited through FAS but this option is no longer available. Looked at FETAC site and it seems a long, time consuming process.
Any help would be appreciated.

Further Ed. · 17-08-2011 7:50pm

Be careful of paying alot of money to someone to write your FETAC application. You have to follow the procedures outlined in the application so you are better off (and it is cheaper) writing your application yourself, FETAC run workshops which are geared to helping you through the process. There is one scheduled for Oct on the following link http://www.fetac.ie/fetac/briefings.do?method=getBriefings&typeId=1

You shold also be aware of the fact that there are now more detailed requirements for private providers re the protection for learners.

Blooroo · 30-08-2011 12:02pm

I've just been employed to teach Care Skills and Care Support level 5. New to Fetac though have experience in education and healthcare. Where can I find samples of assignments or even course content? Cant believe there are no basic course materials developed and in common use! How is there any consistency in what is being taught? Seems like the wheel is reinvented all the time. Anyone able to help?

paddymac1971 · 24-09-2012 11:00am

Hi guys,
Can i ask (probably a silly question). My module is being discontinued in Dec 2013 - I have only taught it for one year so far. Im just wondering if I can run the same course this year as last year, and re-write it next year to include the updates?

boatbuilder · 24-09-2012 11:16am

Its all about assessments. If you are sure your current students will get it finished by next December, then go with the old course.
If they are slow workers and you think they might not have it done by Dec 2013, then go with the new course.
If they start the old course and don't have it ready for assessment in time, they can't carry any of the old assessments over to the new course, so basically they would have to start again from scratch in January 2014.

paddymac1971 wrote: »

Hi guys,
Can i ask (probably a silly question). My module is being discontinued in Dec 2013 - I have only taught it for one year so far. Im just wondering if I can run the same course this year as last year, and re-write it next year to include the updates?

tutoranne · 30-09-2012 9:07pm

Hi
I am delivering fetac level 5 on a Fas Office Admin Traineeship.
Word
Spreadsheets
Database
Text Production

These are the new Fetac Major awards. Was wondering have you delivered any of them?

Further Ed. · 30-09-2012 9:21pm

You should refer to the programme descriptor that your centre has developed as that should be far more detailed than the programme specification on the FETAC website.

Further Ed. · 01-10-2012 9:29am

The reason I recommended that you refer to the programme developed by your provider is that is what your External Authenticator will request to view when they authenticate your programme, regardless of whether you are private, public (VEC or FAS). If you want to PM me please do

nia121 · 17-01-2013 9:28pm

Hi all,

I am currently finishing off a train the trainer course at the minute. Part of my assignment is a training needs analysis for communications fetac level 4. I'm just very confused and was wondering could anyone here help me/send me template, guidelines etc as I'm very lost and beginning to lose hope! Any help would be appreciated thanks!

FetacMaterial · 24-01-2013 11:28am

Lollymcd wrote: »

Now that there is a forum for FETAC on boards I don't feel so alone anymore!

I deliver several modules and I am the only one in my centre who does so. I get little opportunity to discuss modules, delivery methods or work sheets with others doing the same subjects as I am. I would like to propose this thread as a place to swap, share and learn from each other.

What do you all think?

In the past five years I have worked on the following and would be willing to discuss/swap/chat etc...

Level 3
Communications
Preparation for Work
Consumer Awareness
Food and Nutrition
Personal Care and Presentation

Level 4
Communications
Personal and Interpersonal Skills
Personal Effectiveness

Looking forward to hearing from anyone!

Hi lollymcd,

I'm hoping that you can help me out here. I'm developing a Level 4 Personal Effectiveness module and I'm a bit pressed for time. Do you have any material that you could share with me please?

Many thanks. I'm starting to get stressed now.

pmrc · 26-07-2013 5:45pm

Hi

~I am thinking of doing the FETAC level 6 train the trainer,
What is involved in the course ?
the one i am looking it run over 5 days.
i have a level 6 in supervision in child care

jos28 · 29-07-2013 12:01am

I just finished it and it took 3 days, which was very intensive. 5 days would be much better. I enjoyed it and learned a lot. Half your marks go for a 10 minute presentation to camera. I was terrified at the thought of it but it was fine.
The other half goes for your 2500 word assignment which is really a recap of everything you did. The instructions are straightforward and once include all the points they mention you will score well.
Tip for the presentation - give out handouts to your 'audience'. You will get extra marks. I think the course is a very useful one to have because it can be applied to so many areas.

Yvonne Smith · 18-02-2014 4:13pm

Hi, I am a tutor and have delivered various modules from level 3, 4 and 5. I was hoping I could find someone who has delivered 'Understanding Youthwork'. I would really appreciate if I could get some advise on it and I would be more than willing to share my experience on any of the modules I have delivered.

HotHHead · 02-03-2014 4:59am

I see earlier in the postings, some posters stated you needed to have a degree to be registered on the teaching council website, is this still the case. I've looked at the site but can not see anything about tutors.

I'm currently volunteering as a tutor for my local VEC, I am really enjoying it and would love to get into this on a more permanent basis, also paid! Obviously I'm only tutoring short course, 6 weeks, I'm currently on the third round of 6 week courses, I'm only doing basic computers / social media etc.. So not fetac sorry, but was just wondering, what can I do next to help me move on? I'm starting train the trainer next week. I have worked in human resource/payroll for the past 10 years so that was my back ground, made redundant over a year ago.
Have looked into adult literacy diplomas/degree, but absolutely nowhere near me does them, nearest is WIT and I'm in Cavan.
Any advice?

Further Ed. · 03-03-2014 9:41am

To teach Level 5 & 6 you need to be registered with the Teaching Council. Talk to the HR department of your ETB. Do bear in mind that all the ETBs are reducing their teaching staff due to cut backs.

Check out NUI Maynooth for courses.

PM me if you have more questions.

tayto lover · 02-09-2014 8:16pm

I am going to be teaching a Level 3 Crime Awareness programme.
Anyone done this before or have tips, worksheets, ideas of what to include please PM me. Any suggestions welcome.
Have the Copping On pack but I don't think it's hectic tbh.

Overwhelmed redhead · 18-09-2014 11:06am

Hi so I have delivering fetac level 5 for the past few years, I now have been given the job of delivering fetac level six disability awareness, while it's an area I'm familiar with I am looking for help in the assignment brief area and the general jump in information needed to deliver level 6!! I feel completely overwhelmed

Hannbanna · 08-10-2015 4:46pm

Is anyone teaching Level 4 and 5 Personal Development and Community Inclusion. I am a new teacher and have never delivered them before. Feeling slightly lost as there are limited resources.

Delivering and developing FETAC modules

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