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Dunnes Stores strike *** See Mod warning ***

  • 02-04-2015 5:29am
    #1
    archieknox
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭


    What is the general consensus about the action being taken? Will anyone pass the pickets?




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  • #2
    phelixoflaherty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭phelixoflaherty


    Well done to them, although they have been pushed all the way. No I will not pass


  • #3
    CarrickMcJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭CarrickMcJoe


    Won't be passing either, fair play to them.


  • #4
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Good for them, thumbs up from me


  • #5
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    I'm sure people will pass the pickets <SNIP>


  • #6
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    super_furry wrote: »
    I'm sure people will pass the pickets, <SNIP>.

    I won't be passing the picket, but I have a car and the ability to go elsewhere. Passing the picket doesn't make you a scumbag.


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  • #7
    Cork Lass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭Cork Lass


    MarkR wrote: »
    I won't be passing the picket, but I have a car and the ability to go elsewhere. Passing the picket doesn't make you a scumbag.

    To be fair this wasn't just sprung on us today. If some people have nowhere else to shop but Dunnes (highly unlikely) then they could have done it yesterday or could do it tomorrow. I'll be shopping in tesco this week for the stuff I normally get in Dunnes. I'll also go to my local Dunnes on my lunch break to stand there and support the strikers. Good on them.


  • #8
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    archieknox wrote: »
    What is the general consensus about the action being taken? Will anyone pass the pickets?

    Where will I get my oranges?

    Won't pass picket.


  • #9
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Cork Lass wrote: »
    To be fair this wasn't just sprung on us today. If some people have nowhere else to shop but Dunnes (highly unlikely) then they could have done it yesterday or could do it tomorrow. I'll be shopping in tesco this week for the stuff I normally get in Dunnes. I'll also go to my local Dunnes on my lunch break to stand there and support the strikers. Good on them.

    I agree, there are other places to go, and the strike plans were public for some time. Still doesn't make you a scumbag for passing a picket.

    I've been reading on facebook that the Dunnes workers in Shannon were not striking, that they felt they were being treated well. Any strikers outside would not be representing them, but request people shop elsewhere? Third hand info, so apologies for being vague.


  • #10
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No won't pass the picket.


  • #11
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Despite all the hype that exists on social media regarding union/non union issues in my experience I think a majority of Irish people actually do respect pickets.


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  • #12
    oakshade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭oakshade


    I got an email from Dunnes this morning advertising a 20% online sale "today only" - Mmmm


  • #13
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Staff have the right to picket but people have the right to pass it.
    Calling people scumbags or scabs is derogatory, abusive and not acceptable in this thread. Post civilly or not at all.


  • #14
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I wouldn't judge people for passing the picket, but I support the strikers 100%. Dunnes seem to be a desperate employer.


  • #15
    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    Supporting the strikers, definitely. Never know when you might have to picket the gate yourself, and you'd be glad of other's support.


  • #16
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭Patser


    oakshade wrote: »
    I got an email from Dunnes this morning advertising a 20% online sale "today only" - Mmmm

    Dunnes Facebook page getting some abuse where they advertise this offer.


  • #17
    blue4ever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭blue4ever


    Least we should forget:
    galljga1 wrote: »
    Where will I get my oranges?

    They have the right to strike and its not as if they are looking (IMO) for something outlandish. They are asking for some stability in their working lives.

    I'll get the fruit elsewhere!


  • #18
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,601 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I fully support the Dunnes Stores workers.

    When a company hires someone, they have a responsibility towards that worker to treat them with respect, just as the worker has a responsibility to his/her employer to do honest work for their pay.

    zero hours or wildly fluctiating hours contracts are very unfair on employees, as is their rostering system that does not give the workers adequate notice of when they will be working week on week.

    It is totally unacceptable for an employer to call people in the morning of their day off and expect them to come into work, it's also unacceptable to bring someone into work and then tell them that they have to go home because the shop isn't busy and they're not needed.

    In other professions where there are requirements to come to work at short notice, employers pay for their workers to be 'on call'. Dunnes doesn't do that. It doesn't pay its workers enough to compensate them for the working conditions it expects of them.


  • #19
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
    Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
    It's not as if they have no other options
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  • #20
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I know people who left Dunnes because of this issue, so it is happening.


  • #21
    onasis
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭onasis


    Gatling wrote: »
    And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
    Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
    It's not as if they have no other options


    Some people actually don't have the option - jobs aren't exactly 10 a penny in case you hadn't noticed.


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  • #22
    magnethead
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭magnethead


    WOn't pass the picket either


  • #23
    hdowney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    I won't be passing the picket. I'd never pass one. My grandmother would turn in her grave (if she had one!) if I did that. Was raised up in a family to be supportive of workers rights and unions and the like. Think zero hours contracts are disgraceful.


  • #24
    mjsc1970
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭mjsc1970


    Wont be passing the picket line. I'll go SuperValu instead.


  • #25
    EndaHonesty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    hdowney wrote: »
    I won't be passing the picket. I'd never pass one. My grandmother would turn in her grave (if she had one!) if I did that.

    OT but I'm just curious. Is your grandmother dead or not?


  • #26
    hdowney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    EndaHonesty wrote: »
    OT but I'm just curious. Is your grandmother dead or not?

    She is. She was cremated though - hence no grave to turn in.


  • #27
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Will be dropping in on way home, it's the most convenient place for me to stop so won't be changing my plans.


  • #28
    dollyk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭dollyk


    Lidl have the same 10 hour contracts, I have 20 in the last year
    and im there 9 years. seems to be the norm for most big stores.
    And like dunnes they still take on staff, while people there years
    begging for more hours .


  • #29
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Varik wrote: »
    Will be dropping in on way home, it's the most convenient place for me to stop so won't be changing my plans.

    As is your right.

    Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.


  • #30
    LynnGrace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭LynnGrace


    Never passed a picket, certainly won't, in this case either.


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  • #31
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    As is your right.

    Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.

    Little veiled dig there.

    It takes a certain type of person to deliberately sabotage their employers business.


  • #32
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Gatling wrote: »
    And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
    Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
    It's not as if they have no other options

    for most of them there isn't, quite a few would be on the old contracts earning over €10 an hour which goes up annually, if they leave they go back to minimum wage and lose the annual increment contract and therefore a chunk of their wages not to mention it is essentially "a job for life", the new people joining tend to be for the most part college students who come and go once they graduate and don't mind starting on minimum wage.


  • #33
    Motley Crue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    I'm very confused about the whole passing the picket thing.

    Surely the idea of strike action is a suspension of trade, to affect Dunne's management and make them take notice of the economic effect imposed onto them from unhappy or dissatisfied workers?

    "Passing the Picket" implies to me that there are Dunnes Stores open today which will accept your trade but surely the Union would have insisted all stores be closed and workers be given the choice to strike or to stay at home?

    Or is it workers not in the union who will staff stores while those in the union will picket outside? I think the stores should be closed if staff are striking...


  • #34
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    hdowney wrote: »
    Think zero hours contracts are disgraceful.

    Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

    People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?


  • #35
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    As is your right.

    Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.

    People have a right to make there own discision s personally couldn't give a toss been honest .

    Why would anybody stay 10+ years in a job where there is no guarantee of hours just doesn't make sense can't the last few years jobs are harder to get but it hasn't always been like that .

    Wonder if cie went on Strike for a month wound people tell their employers I won't be in work for a month because I'm supporting the cie workers .
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  • #36
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gatling wrote: »
    Why would anybody stay 10+ years in a job where there is no guarantee of hours just doesn't make sense can't the last few years jobs are harder to get but it hasn't always been like that .

    If someone has been in a job 10+ years then they have had time to train, upskill, educate themselves and find a better job.


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  • #37
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    Despite all the hype that exists on social media regarding union/non union issues in my experience I think a majority of Irish people actually do respect pickets.

    I'm hoping people respect the Dunnes workers right to protest poor conditions whether they support labour Unions or not.

    I was just down by Dunnes in Liffey Vally, no one passed that I could see.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #38
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Gatling wrote: »

    Wonder if cie went on Strike for a month wound people tell their employers I won't be in work for a month because I'm supporting the cie workers .

    You realise this has happened before?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #39
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brian? wrote: »
    You realise this has happened before?

    CIE have gone on strike before and people have used alternative methods to get to work.


  • #40
    ankaragucu
    Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭ankaragucu


    How can Enda Kenny claim to support Dunnes striking workers when he presides over a country that allows the conditions to exist that has resulted in this very strike?
    Or are zero hours contracts an EU dictat?


  • #41
    hdowney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    Motley Crue wrote: »
    I'm very confused about the whole passing the picket thing.

    Surely the idea of strike action is a suspension of trade, to affect Dunne's management and make them take notice of the economic effect imposed onto them from unhappy or dissatisfied workers?

    "Passing the Picket" implies to me that there are Dunnes Stores open today which will accept your trade but surely the Union would have insisted all stores be closed and workers be given the choice to strike or to stay at home?

    Or is it workers not in the union who will staff stores while those in the union will picket outside? I think the stores should be closed if staff are striking...

    A mixture of workers not in the union and if necessary they bring in workers just for the day.
    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

    People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?

    I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there


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  • #42
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    hdowney wrote: »
    I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there

    How is it lose lose?

    Take the job and continue to look for a new job - a job is still better than the dole right? Continue to upskill, train and educate yourself so that you have better choices in life than the dole or a zero hour contract in Dunnes?


  • #43
    mister gullible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

    People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?

    The more that poor and exploitative practices are tolerated, the more widespread they will become.


  • #44
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    If the strike has the desired affect, does it mean 100 workers on low hours (say 10 hours per week) will be replaced by 25 workers on 40 hours? Resulting in 75 people out of a job?
    Genuine question.


  • #45
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    hdowney wrote: »
    A mixture of workers not in the union and if necessary they bring in workers just for the day.



    I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there

    Dole only gets cut if it's proven you aren't genuinely looking for work or refuse to engage with them.

    Do people on zero hours contract get social welfare top ups ??
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  • #46
    EndaHonesty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    hdowney wrote: »
    She is. She was cremated though - hence no grave to turn in.

    Sorry to bring it up. I was just confused by your post. My sincere condolences.


  • #47
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    mister gullible wrote: »
    The more that poor and exploitative practices are tolerated, the more widespread they will become.

    I dont see anything exploitative about someone accepting a job that they do in exchange for money. People are free to go and look for another job if they dont like the job they are in.


  • #48
    mister gullible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    Just as well these contracts aren't practised in the Dail. Imagine telling a bunch of politicians that they aren't needed today and that they can go home. No-one would notice but that's beside the point.


  • #49
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    CIE have gone on strike before and people have used alternative methods to get to work.

    Similarly, people will shop in places other than Dunnes today.


  • #50
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Similarly, people will shop in places other than Dunnes today.

    Exactly. And some will shop in Dunnes or buy online from Dunnes. People are free to do whatever they want.


  • #51
    sleepyheadh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 582 ✭✭✭sleepyheadh


    Is it just me that would feel literally nothing as I "passed the Picket"?

    How else will I buy my easter eggs?


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