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Phil Hogan Got Cut-Price Mortgage

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    They always were.

    Two seperate brandings of the one political agenda.

    I constantly asking members (and have been for years) in either, whats the political ideology differences between the parties?

    I still have not got a straight answer besides a cleverly worded "Well, we are not the other guys!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Biggins wrote: »
    I constantly asking members (and have been for years) in either, whats the political ideology differences between the parties?

    I still have not got a straight answer besides a cleverly worded "Well, we are not the other guys!"

    I think the only difference is which side their grandfathers were on in the early 1920s.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    I think the only difference is which side their grandfathers were on in the early 1920s.

    That and no more!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,342 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    How did Hogan know he could go to Fingers to get this "special" mortgage deal?
    Were there others getting "special" treatment too?
    There seems to be just as much of a cozy cartel between F.G. and the Bankers as there was between F.F. and the Bankers. Cronyism is alive and well in Irish politics still. You scratch my back .....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    How did Hogan know he could go to Fingers to get this "special" mortgage deal?...

    Now thats question that really should be asked.

    Will it?

    No.

    FG, FF, and Labour don't want the exposure of skeletons they might have in their closets!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    In FGs 2011 maninfesto, or maybe it was labours but I think it was FGs, it said that it was going to stamo out white collar crime.

    If Kenny sits on this and does nothing, give us one good reason why they should remain in power to fulfill their term?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Biggins wrote: »
    Now thats question that really should be asked.

    Will it?

    No.

    FG, FF, and Labour don't want the exposure of skeletons they might have in their closets!

    What skeletons you reckon Labour might have?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    K-9 wrote: »
    What skeletons you reckon Labour might have?

    I reckon they all have the same skeletons, they only surface when the media want us to know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    K-9 wrote: »
    What skeletons you reckon Labour might have?

    I can only guess where to begin.

    Having seen them in operation many a time in the Dail and beyond it, one should not take just what you see in the Dail as the full truth.
    In the Dail debates you see them going at each other at times, however beyond the main arena they are very friendly at the best and worst of times.

    They know the cameras is there now and to a certain extent, there is an equal acknowledgement that to put on a good show for their constituents is certainly a necessity.
    The point is however that again, beyond the camera coverage, they are deep in talk and then sometimes advise each other greatly to opportunities of which might be availing then or in the future which could be worth their while.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    ......., give us one good reason why they should remain in power to fulfill their term?

    Is there actually a mechanism to get rid of a government in Ireland? (aside from armed insurrection that is?) How would this work in practice? Would the opposition have to instigate it? Would there be elections?

    Sorry just curious as I've seen many governments step down in countries where there's actually some ethics involved in politics whereas here it seems to be the case that unless a politician actually gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar ehm....unless a politician actually gets caught with some dodgy moneyehm....errr....unless a politician actually gets caught committing fraud

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    hondasam wrote: »
    I reckon they all have the same skeletons, they only surface when the media want us to know.

    Bigger parties will tend to have a few skeletons. Still the Mahon Tribunal only found 1 Labour Councilor guilty compared to how many FF/FG? I think it is a bit unfair on Labour considering that fact.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    wexie wrote: »
    Is there actually a mechanism to get rid of a government in Ireland? (aside from armed insurrection that is?) How would this work in practice? Would the opposition have to instigate it? Would there be elections?

    :confused:

    I haven't a clue. I would could FF, as opposition get the ball moving on it. I know, anything coming from FF given their past will be rich, but still. FG said that they were going to stamp out white collar crime and this is their chance to do it. If FF were sersious about cleaning up their party last year (which we all know was a front) they would do this. Stir the fcuking pot up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    K-9 wrote: »
    Bigger parties will tend to have a few skeletons. Still the Mahon Tribunal only found 1 Labour Councilor guilty compared to how many FF/FG? I think it is a bit unfair on Labour considering that fact.

    Don't forget that the remit of the tribunal was severely limited and requested that it be that way.
    Some in the tribunal wanted to dig further. I suspect because they suspected there might be more!
    ...However they were stopped from digging into other areas!

    Now who would have benefited from that? One party (FF) or all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    They are all as bad as each other.

    The Shinners must be rubbing their hands with glee counting down the days till they are in power. Now thats a scary thought.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    They are all as bad as each other.

    The Shinners must be rubbing their hands with glee counting down the days till they are in power. Now thats a scary thought.

    The more FG and Labour continue on the road they are bringing the Irish people, the more (forgive the pun - its not intended, seriously) they are giving SF the ammunition to gain further in the South.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    They are all as bad as each other.

    The Shinners must be rubbing their hands with glee counting down the days till they are in power. Now thats a scary thought.

    Scary how?

    More scandals and revelations?

    Jeez, we're all pretty battle hardened at this stage IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Biggins wrote: »
    The more FG and Labour continue on the road they are bringing the Irish people, the more (forgive the pun - its not intended, seriously) they are giving SF the ammunition to gain further in the South.


    Yes, SF have really exploded on to the political scene in the South in the last while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Scary how?

    More scandals and revelations?

    Jeez, we're all pretty battle hardened at this stage IMO.


    No, I have yet to read a serious credable policy from SF, it's easy curry favour when you don't have to offer any workable solutions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    No, I have yet to read a serious credable policy from SF, it's easy curry favour when you don't have to offer any workable solutions.

    And we haven't heard a credible solution from the right-wing parties.

    Just more and more of being Europe's bitch and paying back private debt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    No, I have yet to read a serious credable policy from SF, it's easy curry favour when you don't have to offer any workable solutions.

    I would be in favour of these suggestions for starters.
    Mispaid bonuses and overblown salaries must be retrieved, there must be a cap on salaries of banking executives and an immediate abolition of their bonuses.
    We need to know the extent of the banks bad debts. The time for speculation as to the state of the banks balance sheets is over.
    We need to have the truth. An independent inspector must, on behalf of the taxpayer, establish their liabilities.
    We need a new, robust financial regulatory system.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I would be in favour of these suggestions for starters.

    A good start would bee looking again at all the wages of the following: http://www.thejournal.ie/gallery-former-taoisigh%E2%80%A6-where-are-they-now-514085-Jul2012/

    Some are being adjusted but I suspect its minor window-dressing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Biggins wrote: »
    The more FG and Labour continue on the road they are bringing the Irish people, the more (forgive the pun - its not intended, seriously) they are giving SF the ammunition to gain further in the South.

    Just because FG are currently performing badly doesn't mean that the only alternative is SF. It could just mean that FG need to pull their finger out and drop the dead/disagreeable weights. It wasn't so long ago that Kenny's own future within the party was seriously called into question.

    Most of my family are traditional FG voters, and none of them think that Hogan should be a minister, for anything.. most of them don't believe that Kenny should be the one leading the party either. They'd much prefer to see Bruton at the helm.

    imo, what the country needs is a unity government, but obviously that'll never happen. Imagine people actually setting aside their ideological differences for the good of the country as a whole.. yeah right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    People are always going on about losing out sovereignty to Ze Germans.

    I think it would be welcome and refreshing to have competent professionals in charge for a change. Even if they do have their own interests at heart, that's no different from today's crew. At least the Germans would be moderately smart.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Has Phil Hogan paid the outstanding property fees and taxes on this villa yet???

    He didnt like it one bit when the story broke and made the headlines a few months back.

    I wonder why??;):rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Sky King wrote: »
    People are always going on about losing out sovereignty to Ze Germans.

    I think it would be welcome and refreshing to have competent professionals in charge for a change. Even if they do have their own interests at heart, that's no different from today's crew. At least the Germans would be moderately smart.


    So Spineless Enda complains about being bullied and assaulted by a female TV3 reporter.

    Yet I dont see him complaining about Angela Merkil bullying him around for the last 15 monmths or so though.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Phil Hogan is a shifty character. I wouldn't trust him as far as i could sit him. Imagine asking/bullying the Irish people into paying household taxes and thinking its OK for him not to pay his one in another EU country. Ireland could do without people like him in politics.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Just because FG are currently performing badly doesn't mean that the only alternative is SF. It could just mean that FG need to pull their finger out and drop the dead/disagreeable weights. It wasn't so long ago that Kenny's own future within the party was seriously called into question.

    Most of my family are traditional FG voters, and none of them think that Hogan should be a minister, for anything.. most of them don't believe that Kenny should be the one leading the party either. They'd much prefer to see Bruton at the helm.

    imo, what the country needs is a unity government, but obviously that'll never happen. Imagine people actually setting aside their ideological differences for the good of the country as a whole.. yeah right.

    What you say, there s lot of sense and truth in.
    I especially agree with your first sentence.

    Sadly as for a unity government, I think the only thing that unites them presently is an unwillingness to look further into the misdeeds of their possible members and cross party members - for fear of exposing what a corrupt shower the whole lot is and has been for a long time.

    What unites the top three is that they are still covering their ass and even their oppositions to some extent in case there is any connections.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    I rekon the various trade unions will force Labour to pull out of goverment next year and this will bring the current goverment down.

    Theres only so many taxes and tax increases the unions will take,before they revolt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    hondasam wrote: »
    I think Phil Hogan may have to step down shortly.

    step down to a generous State pension?
    noodler wrote: »
    Whats the issue here exactly?

    Nothing wrong with a politician getting a mortgage.

    If he does not feel his house in Portugal was subject to a certain tax then he has the right to appeal it as any of us would.

    Who else gets an interest free mortgage? - Don't you think such liberal lending could have played a part in the financial crisis at all?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    philologos wrote: »
    step down to a generous State pension?


    10,000 silk ties and some nice big green trees outside Leinster House..........;)



    "Patriotic" indeed........eh Big Phil?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    FG won't leave until the Anglo bail-out fraud is well and truly buried (or at least funded by the ESM). Every day Enda sits as Taoiseach is another day of freedom for the previous & current administration.

    Even John McGuinness (FF) has said it's time for the fraud squad to investigate the events of Sept 2008..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Biggins wrote: »
    Sadly as for a unity government, I think the only thing that unites them presently is an unwillingness to look further into the misdeeds of their possible members and cross party members - for fear of exposing what a corrupt shower the whole lot is and has been for a long time.

    What unites the top three is that they are still covering their ass and even their oppositions to some extent in case there is any connections.

    So how is it ever going to change then Biggins? If that's how it is (personally I think you're right) then the top three are simply going to perpetuate the status quo, they won't allow anybody in their ranks that won't stand for it and there aren't (from what I can see) any viable alternatives.....Are we just doomed forever?

    What's the odds of a new party forming, gaining popularity and actually getting elected, then still remembering their election promises and clearing house?

    Damn...that's a depressing thought.

    (sorry for dragging the topic OT, just planting seeds in my Biggins for Taoiseach campaign)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    If the fraud squad get involved then there will be more or less no one left in the Dail for questions and answers.

    They all heve their fingers in it,in some way,and thats why none of them want the fraud squad involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    wexie wrote: »

    What's the odds of a new party forming, gaining popularity and actually getting elected, then still remembering their election promises and clearing house?

    Kinda up to you isn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    squod wrote: »
    Kinda up to you isn't it?

    Unfortunately us bleedin foreigners are only good enough to pay taxes (and water charges, household charges, universal social charge etc. etc).

    Otherwise this would be my election slogan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    wexie wrote: »
    Unfortunately us bleedin foreigners are only good enough to pay taxes (and water charges, household charges, universal social charge etc. etc).

    Otherwise this would be my election slogan

    Define foreigner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Biggins wrote: »
    Don't forget that the remit of the tribunal was severely limited and requested that it be that way.
    Some in the tribunal wanted to dig further. I suspect because they suspected there might be more!
    ...However they were stopped from digging into other areas!

    Now who would have benefited from that? One party (FF) or all?

    Well you are getting into conspiracy theory now.

    Given recent revelations probably the only party that is clean on donations or expenses are the Greens!

    Waits for an attack on the tree huggers!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Define foreigner?

    Non Irish citizen?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    paddy147 wrote: »
    If the fraud squad get involved then there will be more or less no one left in the Dail for questions and answers.

    They all heve their fingers in it,in some way,and thats why none of them want the fraud squad involved.

    I want the fraud squad involved, and many many more people too.

    This current house of cards has to be pulled downs. FG has their snouts in the trough, just like what FF had and I do not feel one bit comfortable leaving them with the reins of the country. A power class has been created where they will suck money dry to keep them in a comfortable lifestyle with comfortable pay and conditions while they are utterly incompetent in office.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    wexie wrote: »
    Non Irish citizen?

    What nationality are you?

    Are you entitled to a passport incidentally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Define foreigner?

    Foreigner is a British-American rock band, originally formed in 1976 by veteran English musicians Mick Jones and ex-King Crimson member Ian McDonald


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    wexie wrote: »
    So how is it ever going to change then Biggins? If that's how it is (personally I think you're right) then the top three are simply going to perpetuate the status quo, they won't allow anybody in their ranks that won't stand for it and there aren't (from what I can see) any viable alternatives.....Are we just doomed forever?

    What's the odds of a new party forming, gaining popularity and actually getting elected, then still remembering their election promises and clearing house?

    Damn...that's a depressing thought.

    (sorry for dragging the topic OT, just planting seeds in my Biggins for Taoiseach campaign)

    Putting it in accuracy terms, change can only come by a majority,
    A majority is needed to pass the legislation that would make transparency official and a retro-active where possible.
    (The FG/Labour have brought in some changes - but then they watered down them! (Example: all TD's would have to clock in AND clock out. Watered down to... they can clock in, well some of the time, the rest of the time someone else can do it for them, and even if they did show up in the Dail, they don't even have to clock out now either.)*

    The top three are are still perpetuating virtual status quo.
    What we have got is pure window-dressing so far.

    What is needed is a pure new clean sweep. End of story.
    Within the first month of a clean sweep, transparency laws should be further enacted - and bloody stuck to!
    The Dail is there to serve the people.
    The Dail is not and should not be there to serve the TD's (and that includes its extra bonus tax free, bars and inner restaurants!).

    Will the above happen?
    Hell no - because the old, tired, musical chair shower thats currently in it are making sure of that.
    They and they sycophancy fans frankly don't want change in processes and monetary terms - they want Euro notes's and the more the merrier!

    What's the odds of a new party forming, gaining popularity and actually getting elected, then still remembering their election promises and clearing house?
    Very unlikely - if only because the club of three and their fans have the electorate scared and fooled enough to think that all change is bad and no diversification should be made away from the top three current parties.

    ...And thats the state of play at the moment!


    * Why alone is the above in brackets important?

    ...Because now they don't have to go down on record (which the public/media could apply to see under freedom of information) showing just how little time they actually attended the Dail in minutes/hours and/or even the days that they REALLY showed up (instead of their mates clocking them in).
    ...Which is all important as to how much they get in extra perks and allowances - you know like accommodation, travel and even parking allowances, etc.
    ...So on this issue alone, the data and real facts are clouded and confused, deliberative in order (I suspect) that the more accurate truth shall never be found out by a public that, god forbid, got outraged enough to vote out a charlatan and elect a more moral person!

    ...But hey, lets still get all those allowance's in for days that officially they might have been clocked in - but not really there, but also that the public never finds out out just really exactly how many few minutes as elected representatives, they spend in the Dail chamber, debating and more importantly, questioning every like aspect of laws that effect the people directly.

    ...You know - the job they were also elected for and should be doing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    mikom wrote: »
    Foreigner is a British-American rock band, originally formed in 1976 by veteran English musicians Mick Jones and ex-King Crimson member Ian McDonald

    I asked for that.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Here we go again...Tweedledee and Tweedledum...the Blueshirts and their pals, the bankers and bondholders. As bad as the previous crowd. Time to wake up and get them out of government.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Legally can the public demand an enquiry by the fraud squad?

    The govt are supposedly in power to work for us after all :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Are you entitled to a passport incidentally?

    Yes, I'm guessing I could get an Irish passport if I so desired, which, incidentally I don't.

    I see where you're going however I'd be completely unsuitable for a number or reasons :

    - Yes I did inhale, maybe even more than once
    - I'm terrible with money
    - I know f**k all about politics and diplomacy
    - I've a terrible work ethic
    - I like the easy life
    - My ethics are questionable

    .......actually.... maybe this is something worth looking into
    (although I'm guessing I'd be none to popular with the current religious establishment)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Michael D Higgins said it last year before he retired from his seat, said that we need a new republic.

    Many of the things that we see that we are un-happy about and are utterly insane like over inflated saleries, pensions, large bonuses, expenses, claims, nice working conditions, double pensions, even triple pensions, even going over the pay cap of advisors
    - all these people have their hands tied with a contract. It's a form of greed. If their contracts are touched, all hell will break loose. But these contracts for the most part were done when the country was built on quicksand. It's collapsed now and we just can't afford it.

    We need to scrap the constitution and rebuild from the start. Add in white collar crimes into the constitution (because FG won't do it).
    A 2nd republic.
    Why isn't this being done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    FG - Fcuking Greedy pigs with their snouts in the trough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Well at least we know now that inherent greediness isn't just a condition of Fianna Fáil.

    So, what party is next? Labour? Sinn Féin?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    FG has absolutely no attention of digging us out from the hole that FF has left us in.

    I was badly want that girly monkey and his gang out.


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