Formula 1 2014: Round 16 - Russian Grand Prix

Mike Litoris · 11-10-2014 4:37pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I'm hoping EJ will mention Andrea de Cesaris during the BBC coverage this weekend.

He actually said quite a nice few things about him. Jordan was obviously fond of him. They showed a few clips of him overtaking in the 191. That really was a beautiful car.

Going Strong · 11-10-2014 4:43pm

It's a pity if Button is out of a drive. I've always liked him and he generally comes across as one of the less 'up themselves' drivers.

I remember seeing him in the wet at Spa in 2000 where he impressed me by being utterly unafraid of Eau Rouge. Only him, Schumi, Hakkinen and Verstappen seemed to grab the car by the scruff of the neck and throw it at the corner. Everyone else seemed to be having second thoughts about it.

He impressed me again at Barcelona in 2002 as he hustled his Renault like a man possessed, short-shifting like mad down the main straight trying to keep a pack of cars behind him for lap after lap until he retired late in the race.

Jordan 199 · 11-10-2014 5:37pm

Mike Litoris wrote: »

He actually said quite a nice few things about him. Jordan was obviously fond of him. They showed a few clips of him overtaking in the 191. That really was a beautiful car.

I just watched part of the build-up a few minutes ago where EJ was talking about Andrea. The footage with him driving the 191 battling against Nelson Piquet looked like it was the '91 Belgian GP.

The 191 was a beautiful car for sure. Was the 1991 Autosport F1 Racing Car of the Year :cool:

Gillespy · 11-10-2014 6:22pm

Since Lotterer embarrassed him at Spa, Ericssen has been improving every time.

Going Strong wrote: »

I've a feeling that Bottas is the man who'll deny Alonso his dream of a Mercedes seat.

Defiantly. Isn't Toto his manager also? His talent would have him a shoe in anyway. If Hamilton makes way for Alonso, it will be him following to ball because why would Lewis leave otherwise. Would he demand less money than Lewis and would he cause fewer headaches for Paddy and Toto. I don't think so.

mickdw · 11-10-2014 6:46pm

Gillespy wrote: »

Since Lotterer embarrassed him at Spa, Ericssen has been improving every time.

It seems they have got a handle on the braking system, now giving the driver more reliable feel etc and that it seems is making all the difference for Ericssen.
Good to see.

mickdw · 11-10-2014 9:03pm

BBC live this weekend.
Think I will watch it there for a change.
Eddie will surely drop a few nuggets re driver moves etc. He is seldom wrong.

bbability · 11-10-2014 9:24pm

I think until the top teams confirms who's with who no one will be saying a thing. Hamilton yet to commit to Mercedes. I was hoping JB would get a crack in the Williams next year.

Gillespy · 11-10-2014 10:04pm

mickdw wrote: »

It seems they have got a handle on the braking system, now giving the driver more reliable feel etc and that it seems is making all the difference for Ericssen.
Good to see.

Ted talked about it in the notebook. They've sacrificed harvesting electrical power to give him brakes he can trust. It is nice to see. No one wants to see drivers struggling like he was all year.

Appentenly, there are people out there saying Kyvat ran Super Softs disguised as Softs. That's the latest conspiracy theory according to Ted.

mickdw · 11-10-2014 10:10pm

Gillespy wrote: »

Ted talked about it in the notebook. They've sacrificed harvesting electrical power to give him brakes he can trust. It is nice to see. No one wants to see drivers struggling like he was all year.

Appentenly, there are people out there saying Kyvat ran Super Softs disguised as Softs. That's the latest conspiracy theory according to Ted.

I wouldn't put it beyond the powers that be in f1 to facilitate such an arrangement to build the home interest.

Mike Litoris · 11-10-2014 10:45pm

mickdw wrote: »

I wouldn't put it beyond the powers that be in f1 to facilitate such an arrangement to build the home interest.

While I'd be the first to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon I reckon its a combination of it being a new track/level playing field, the guy being on a huge high joining RB and it being his home race. Also being a second off pole and half a second ahead of your team mate wouldn't be that unusual.

KarlFitz01 · 12-10-2014 12:45am

Great Qualfying. Felt for Bottas really thought he would be on pole.

With Hamilton getting pole Rosberg has a huge race ahead of him tomorrow. He has to win. Even if something happens to Hamiltons car, second for Rosberg won't do. He needs to win for his confidence. If he doesn't he can kiss the WDC goodbye.

Adamocovic · 12-10-2014 10:36am

KarlFitz01 wrote: »

Great Qualfying. Felt for Bottas really thought he would be on pole.

With Hamilton getting pole Rosberg has a huge race ahead of him tomorrow. He has to win. Even if something happens to Hamiltons car, second for Rosberg won't do. He needs to win for his confidence. If he doesn't he can kiss the WDC goodbye.

Ye I was gutted for Bottas, hope Rosberg does get the win, want the title fight to keep going until the last race!

mickdw · 12-10-2014 10:47am

Adamocovic wrote: »

Ye I was gutted for Bottas, hope Rosberg does get the win, want the title fight to keep going until the last race!

Double points remember at last race so it's hard to see it not being still up for grabs at that race.
Imagine if Hamilton was to break down during the last race. There would be a melt down.

KillerShamrock · 12-10-2014 11:21am

mickdw wrote: »

Double points remember at last race so it's hard to see it not being still up for grabs at that race.
Imagine if Hamilton was to break down during the last race. There would be a melt down.

Yeah I can see this happening either Hamilton or rosberg winning the championship till the last race only to loose it due to car failure

Ghost Train · 12-10-2014 12:03pm

Safety car was out five laps from the end in both the gp3 and gp2 earlier, so they were being careful recovering cars

Thought the racing was good at the start and the end, nice wide track, hopefully it will be a good f1 race

bnt · 12-10-2014 12:06pm

That's Rosberg's goose cooked, then - tried too hard on turn 2, flat-spotted his tyres, straight in to pits for a change.

edit: but now they're trying to get him to the end on this set. Maybe he'll land on his feet?

Itssoeasy · 12-10-2014 12:06pm

Disaster for rosberg.

ednwireland · 12-10-2014 12:07pm

rosberg showing his lack of brains there prob blown his day

12-10-2014 12:07pm

Good racing on the opening lap certainly. The track seems really clean and allowing for a lot of varying lines through the long bends.

Rosberg done ****ed up big time.

Itssoeasy · 12-10-2014 12:07pm

"We need to go the end on this set." Oh balls.

Brendan Flowers · 12-10-2014 12:07pm

These tarmac run offs are a joke. Lack of gravel and grass run off areas are ruining these newer tracks.

12-10-2014 12:08pm

Fair play Vergne!

12-10-2014 12:09pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

These tarmac run offs are a joke. Lack of gravel and grass run off areas are ruining these newer tracks.

Usually I'd agree but the racing would've been a lot more 1-by-1 on the opening laps if there were walls or gravel traps all around.

TouchingVirus · 12-10-2014 12:11pm

Rosberg didn't get punished half-enough for that harebrained move into turn 2.

12-10-2014 12:11pm

Ricciardo seemed a little on the aggressive side off the line. Almost put Kimi in the wall and cost him several positions and later gave Vettel a little bump.

12-10-2014 12:12pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Rosberg didn't get punished half-enough for that harebrained move into turn 2.

What?

Infoanon · 12-10-2014 12:12pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Rosberg didn't get punished half-enough for that harebrained move into turn 2.

??

TouchingVirus · 12-10-2014 12:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What?

It was the track I was speaking about, not that he broke any rules. Put a gravel pit on that turn and he wouldn't have chanced it (and probably blown his race). Even a Monza-type chicane in the run-off and he wouldn't have chanced it.

Ghost Train · 12-10-2014 12:14pm

Thought there was a rule that you need to spend a certain percent of the race on each tire compound, didn't think Rosberg would be allowed mainly use 1 set

12-10-2014 12:14pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

It was the track I was speaking about, not that he broke any rules. Put a gravel pit on that turn and he wouldn't have chanced it (and probably blown his race).

So gravel traps would've saved his race, how would that be more punishment? He didn't "try" anything mad, he was alongside and locked up his tyres.

_rebelkid · 12-10-2014 12:15pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

Thought there was a rule that you need to spend a certain percent of the race on each tire compound, didn't think Rosberg would be allowed mainly use 1 set

No. You just have to use both. he started on Options and jumped onto primes. Rule satisfied.

bnt · 12-10-2014 12:15pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Rosberg didn't get punished half-enough for that harebrained move into turn 2.

His pit stop was several seconds longer than it should have been, he was held in place by other cars. Hare-brained, sure, but I think he feels he has to try something to stop Hamilton running away with the season.

Ghost Train · 12-10-2014 12:19pm

_rebelkid wrote: »

No. You just have to use both. he started on Options and jumped onto primes. Rule satisfied

I was thinking of the proposed rules below, obviously never happened, 50% on prime 30% option
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/29/mandatory-pitstops-tire-distance-limits-proposed-for-2014-f1-season/

Infoanon · 12-10-2014 12:22pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

I was thinking of the proposed rules below, obviously never happened, 50% on prime 30% option
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/29/mandatory-pitstops-tire-distance-limits-proposed-for-2014-f1-season/

Was there a rule at one time that you had to do 2 laps on each type of tyres - option and prime ?

TouchingVirus · 12-10-2014 12:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So gravel traps would've saved his race, how would that be more punishment? He didn't "try" anything mad, he was alongside and locked up his tyres.

The risk for pulling a move like he did is much higher with a gravel pit or something else in the run-off.

That particular corner as it is right now has low risk, high reward. Only for he flat spotted he was free to perform the same move next lap (and the next etc etc) until eventually it stuck. Every time it didn't work he just gave up a place and life went on as normal. There was no risk to not keeping it between the lines.

bnt wrote: »

His pit stop was several seconds longer than it should have been, he was held in place by other cars. Hare-brained, sure, but I think he feels he has to try something to stop Hamilton running away with the season.

I'm watching a slightly delayed feed - I hadn't seen his pit time when I posted. Still, the slow pit was down to luck

Ghost Train · 12-10-2014 12:25pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Was there a rule at one time that you had to do 2 laps on each type of tyres - option and prime ?

Possibly to stop cars stopping on the last lap to satisfy rule to use both compounds

12-10-2014 12:27pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

The risk for pulling a move like he did is much higher with a gravel pit or something else in the run-off.

That particular corner as it is right now has low risk, high reward. Only for he flat spotted he was free to perform the same move next lap (and the next etc etc) until eventually it stuck. Every time it didn't work he just gave up a place and life went on as normal. There was no risk to not keeping it between the lines.

Yep, he's driving to the track conditions. Have you seen the replays btw? He didn't just lob one up the inside at the last second, he was easily alongside and the lock-up was almost unrelated, or certainly the magnitude of the lock-up was.

christy c · 12-10-2014 12:31pm

Did Massa lock up as well or why did he pit so early?

HighLine · 12-10-2014 12:33pm

That onboard with Hamilton was depressing. Looks like a slow down lap.

christy c · 12-10-2014 12:38pm

We meet again Mr Bond

KillerShamrock · 12-10-2014 12:46pm

This is turning into a bit of a Sunday drive $:\$ the track is too long good when bunched up but man there is no action at the moment

antodeco · 12-10-2014 12:51pm

I agree. Race is becoming quite boring already..

12-10-2014 12:52pm

I was hoping this would be the day Button finally gets a podium.

Ya never know, maybe Rosberg's tyres will unexpectedly fall off the cliff. :P

crasy dash · 12-10-2014 12:56pm

Is it just me or us there no spectators at this tiny few in the stand on the main straight.

God its one dull track nothing happening since i turned it on

Brendan Flowers · 12-10-2014 12:57pm

Just on banned radio messages, I thought the pit wasnt allowed to tell drivers to increase their pace or that fuel levels were ok. Or will these be included in the wider radio ban for next season?

Also will these beeps that the RBR team mentioned to Vettel be something that teams could use next year to get around the radio ban?

12-10-2014 12:57pm

Really shows just how much extra pace the Mercedes actually has over the rest of the field when Rosberg having done 30 laps on a set of tyres could get past the Williams.

BoJack Horseman · 12-10-2014 12:58pm

crasy dash wrote: »

Is it just me or us there no spectators at this tiny few in the stand on the main straight.

God its one dull track nothing happening since i turned it on

55 thousand spectators I believe.
The start/finish grandstand is relatively small & set back from the track.

Pretty pedestrian.

BoJack Horseman · 12-10-2014 12:59pm

Also, if Rosberg finishes 2nd, the whole idea of qualifying for grid position starts to look redundant.

CFlat · 12-10-2014 12:59pm

That was more of a lunge and hope overtake on Bottas. Thankully Bottas was wide awake and took evasive action.

Joeseph Balls · 12-10-2014 1:00pm

crasy dash wrote: »

Is it just me or us there no spectators at this tiny few in the stand on the main straight.

God its one dull track nothing happening since i turned it on

??
Its nearly a sellout BBC said.
Although lack of GA areas makes it look a bit empty

Formula 1 2014: Round 16 - Russian Grand Prix

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