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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #9952
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    emo72 wrote: »
    alastair, its not possible. if 3.5 billion is taken out of the economy this year and then the same the following year, well then its over. the economy will not bear it. the economy is a basket case, im in business, i speak to colleagues and the word on the street is very bad. many shops have gone bang, many more will go too. nobody has money to spend, the economy will not grow.

    people will not be paying the property tax when its introduced, by necessity, not by choice. what then? jail? FFS they cant even keep murderers in jail.

    it wont be an issue to a lot of people then anyway, cos they will all be on waivers due to being unemployed.

    My point is that, while the existing debt commitments might well be unattainable, the ability to walk away from some of them requires that we put our domestic taxation on a solid footing. I run a business too - I'm obviously aware of the state of things, but throwing hands up in the air isn't reqally an option, nor is a pretense that we can sustain the borrowing overhead we have.


  • #9953
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lividduck wrote: »
    Yup!
    Enda: How can we boost domestic spending and protect jobs
    Gilmore: Lets increase vat to 23%!
    Enda: Great idea Eamo, we'll go with that then!

    Brilliant, when lenihan did that the opposition were up in arms!


  • #9954
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    emo72 wrote: »
    alastair, its not possible. if 3.5 billion is taken out of the economy this year and then the same the following year, well then its over. the economy will not bear it. the economy is a basket case, im in business, i speak to colleagues and the word on the street is very bad. many shops have gone bang, many more will go too. nobody has money to spend, the economy will not grow.

    people will not be paying the property tax when its introduced, by necessity, not by choice. what then? jail? FFS they cant even keep murderers in jail.

    it wont be an issue to a lot of people then anyway, cos they will all be on waivers due to being unemployed.
    I'm also in business and can verify that, the vat rate increase is the last straw.
    You cannot create economic growth by reducing spending, its just not possible. Money being spent in the economy creates a multiplier effect, but the geniuses in government just dont get that at all


  • #9955
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    SnowY32 wrote: »
    Protest is at least the length of oconnell street quiet incredible :eek:


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-group-claim-10000-attend-household-charge-march-545750.html


    The CAHWT is reporting around 10,000 people showed up (optismtic guesstimate)

    Pretty pathetic, given that around 1,000,000 households are boycotting the charge.


  • #9956
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The numbers protesting against the Govt policies are always played down.
    I saw several protests in the last few years while in Dublin and took a rough count and they were always bigger than the figures given by R.T.E. and the Gardai. It's probably a ploy to downplay the protest.
    Why should anyone accept the rough count of an individual over the consensus figure of the media and the Gardai.?

    What reasons would the media and Gardai have for underestimating the number? The organizers have an obvious interest in overestimating it.


  • #9957
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I don't really care as the MILLION who didn't pay is more than enough of a protest and must be really worrying for Enda as it seems to be getting a lot of media attention in Europe and the U.S.
    Jesus he's in trouble if the Referendum goes south too.

    I'm loving the capitalisation! I believe we've dipped below the magic MILLION point now though.


  • #9958
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-group-claim-10000-attend-household-charge-march-545750.html


    The CAHWT is reporting around 10,000 people showed up (optismtic guesstimate)

    Pretty pathetic, given that around 1,000,000 households are boycotting the charge.

    How many turner up to support the tax?


  • #9959
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-group-claim-10000-attend-household-charge-march-545750.html


    The CAHWT is reporting around 10,000 people showed up (optismtic guesstimate)

    Pretty pathetic, given that around 1,000,000 households are boycotting the charge.

    Its the numbers not registering thats the functional figure though.


  • #9960
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    http://photos5.pix.ie/54/81/5481399581FF4D35A9AAF00E3670ED70-0000333355-0002797786-00640L-6D24864711034A31BB88FF7F7965315A.jpg

    Oh and ONE MILLION boycotters of the household tax.

    Monday will be interesting.


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  • #9961
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-group-claim-10000-attend-household-charge-march-545750.html


    The CAHWT is reporting around 10,000 people showed up (optismtic guesstimate)

    Pretty pathetic, given that around 1,000,000 households are boycotting the charge.

    You don't have to leave your chair to protest and people know that. Many wouldn't have the money to travel to Dublin.
    Unlike the F.G. people they are not on allowances.


  • #9962
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    emo72 wrote: »
    alastair, its not possible. if 3.5 billion is taken out of the economy this year and then the same the following year, well then its over. the economy will not bear it. the economy is a basket case, im in business, i speak to colleagues and the word on the street is very bad. many shops have gone bang, many more will go too. nobody has money to spend, the economy will not grow.

    people will not be paying the property tax when its introduced, by necessity, not by choice. what then? jail? FFS they cant even keep murderers in jail.

    it wont be an issue to a lot of people then anyway, cos they will all be on waivers due to being unemployed.


    So lets just keep borrowing the money to run the country?


  • #9963
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    lividduck wrote: »
    I'm also in business and can verify that, the vat rate increase is the last straw.
    You cannot create economic growth by reducing spending, its just not possible. Money being spent in the economy creates a multiplier effect, but the geniuses in government just dont get that at all

    I think they're familiar with Keynesian economics. Who are you going to suggest they borrow this additional seed capital from?


  • #9964
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    alastair wrote: »
    My point is that, while the existing debt commitments might well be unattainable, the ability to walk away from some of them requires that we put our domestic taxation on a solid footing. .

    Yes!!! tax first and then we deal with croke parke and its fat cats... if we have time.


  • #9965
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    So lets just keep borrowing the money to run the country?

    Lets tackle the bloated, overpaid, cosseted public service, their unions and the CPA.
    €505 million a year to teachers on top of their wages and 3 months holidays a year.


  • #9966
    force eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭force eleven


    I'd like to declare the nationwide protest against the disgusting household charge a success. Congrats to all who believed it was wrong to cough up to fund the bailout. We've already done our part,and sadly,will continue to do so, with penal tax rates, VAT, Motor tax increases etc etc. No good delaying promissory note payment, thats all smoke and mirros I'm afraid. Need to burn them, but our government are a bunch of fraidy cats. ;)


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  • #9967
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    Why should anyone accept the rough count of an individual over the consensus figure of the media and the Gardai.?

    What reasons would the media and Gardai have for underestimating the number? The organizers have an obvious interest in overestimating it.

    Like I have said I have witnesses it on several occasions. Can't even remember the purpose of the protests but the numbers were played down. One of them could have been the O.A.P.'s march to the Dail but i'm not sure.
    The numbers that matter are the one who have/have not paid.


  • #9968
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Roverek wrote: »
    Yes!!! tax first and then we deal with croke parke and its fat cats... if we have time.

    Heh - you've great faith in the untapped riches to be garnered from overturning the CPA.


  • #9969
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    I'm loving the capitalisation! I believe we've dipped below the magic MILLION point now though.

    Not when you take out the freebies.


  • #9970
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Lets tackle the bloated, overpaid, cosseted public service, their unions and the CPA.
    €505 million a year to teachers on top of their wages and 3 months holidays a year.


    He argued we can't afford to take money out of the economy, cuts to teachers pay and public service pay is taking money out of the economy.


  • #9971
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Lets tackle the bloated, overpaid, cosseted public service, their unions and the CPA.
    €505 million a year to teachers on top of their wages and 3 months holidays a year.

    Keep the kids in school 24/7/365!


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  • #9972
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Heh - you've great faith in the untapped riches to be garnered from overturning the CPA.


    Don't upset the PS and their unions. Give them what they want at any cost.

    Is this not half the reason we're in the ****e we're in?

    Blackmail.


  • #9973
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not when you take out the freebies.

    Yes when you take out the freebies. As has been pointed out earlier in this thread. It's only going to become more and more obvious as the evening progresses.


  • #9974
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    So lets just keep borrowing the money to run the country?

    no absolutely not. i dunno where you got idea from?

    keep borrowing we're screwed.

    don't borrow we're screwed.

    when we nationalised private debt, thats when it became game over. we ran out of choices that day. either the troika allow us to write off debt or.......we default. not arguing with anyone here, thats my view. it seems clear to me.


  • #9975
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    alastair wrote: »
    It's silly to desire a stable and sustainable tax base

    No Al, it isn't.
    to get us out of the mess we're in?

    That's not what this tax is about Al. It's about paying German bankers and grossly overpaid State "servants".
    No-one's 'happy' to pay taxes, but some of us accept that it's a 'good' thing to do so in the face of the alternatives.

    Actually, I'm quite happy to pay taxes. But not to pay for German banks' gambling debts.

    That's why 1,000,000 million households haven't registered.

    It's really rather simple Al. :rolleyes:


  • #9976
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Keep the kids in school 24/7/365!

    Give them 4 weeks like everyone else and re-deploy them somewhere else for the other 8!


  • #9977
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Don't upset the PS and their unions. Give them what they want at any cost.

    Is this not half the reason we're in the ****e we're in?

    Blackmail.

    Care to articulate where you're going to sort out our debt issues in the spending associated with the terms of the CPA? Not sloigans now - actual breakdowns of savings to be made, and what proportion of national debt they write off?


  • #9978
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Don't upset the PS and their unions. Give them what they want at any cost.

    Is this not half the reason we're in the ****e we're in?

    Blackmail.

    Don't blame all the PS.


  • #9979
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Give them 4 weeks like everyone else and re-deploy them somewhere else for the other 8!

    Re-deploy them eh? And what about the teachers? :p


  • #9980
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Like I have said I have witnesses it on several occasions. Can't even remember the purpose of the protests but the numbers were played down. One of them could have been the O.A.P.'s march to the Dail but i'm not sure.
    The numbers that matter are the one who have/have not paid.
    So, you think there is a conspiracy between RTE, independent media organizations and the Gardai to under report numbers on anti government protests?
    Have you been on to Jim Corr about your concerns?


  • #9981
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    120 people left my nearby small town this morning at 7am to join the protest. from those i personally know that travelled,not one of them has ever been in trouble or broke the law in their entire lives. decent hard working honest people that can recognoise a scam when they see one.
    some of these people voted FG/LAB into power on the promise of fairness, to make the right choices and hold those who destroy our country to account. instead FG/LAB have continued the same policies as the FF/GR/CORRUPT IND shambles. alternative choices are and will be still available if FG/LAB chose to take them or simply have the balls to do so.
    The 120 people i mentioned who joined similar groups from each and every corner of Ireland represent the 1 MILLION who refuse to pay this charge.
    They will return at 9pm tonight and will be cheered from their buses,admired for the heroes they are. Hats off to them.:)


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  • #9982
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    hondasam wrote: »
    Don't blame all the PS.

    When I say PS, I mean the ones on bloated wages and allowances not the average PS worker.


  • #9983
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Give them 4 weeks like everyone else and re-deploy them somewhere else for the other 8!

    You want them to have another job?


  • #9984
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Re-deploy them eh? And what about the teachers? :p
    Give them 4 weeks paid leave and 8 weeks unpaid.


  • #9985
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    washman3 wrote: »
    The 120 people i mentioned who joined similar groups from each and every corner of Ireland represent the 1 MILLION who refuse to pay this charge.

    Again with the capitals! (It's not a million any more).

    No they don't. They represent the 5-10 thousand who support the campaign against the tax. What the intent or motivations of anyone else (paid up or otherwise) isn't known to any of us.


  • #9986
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    When I say PS, I mean the ones on bloated wages and allowances not the average PS worker.

    That's ok then.


  • #9987
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Give them 4 weeks paid leave and 8 weeks unpaid.

    That would be very unfair imo.


  • #9988
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    hondasam wrote: »
    You want them to have another job?


    Thats up to themselves. Not many other jobs pay for 3 or 4 months holidays a year.


  • #9989
    BrenCooney
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭BrenCooney


    Well, No's
    Are ye getting ready for lynching.
    I keep hearing about law abiding citizens.
    Not many of them this afternoon when an innocent man who happened to look like somebody else was lynched.

    shame on you all.


  • #9990
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Thats up to themselves. Not many other jobs pay for 3 or 4 months holidays a year.

    It's not the teachers fault.


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  • #9991
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    When I say PS, I mean the ones on bloated wages and allowances not the average PS worker.

    So - your concern isn't actually the CPA in general at all. I'm even more eager to hear how the bloated fat cat portion of the CPA will turn the tide of our debt hole. Breakdowns please.


  • #9992
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    BrenCooney wrote: »
    Well, No's
    Are ye getting ready for lynching.
    I keep hearing about law abiding citizens.
    Not many of them this afternoon when an innocent man who happened to look like somebody else was lynched.

    shame on you all.

    How is that shame on us all?


  • #9993
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    hondasam wrote: »
    That would be very unfair imo.

    What about scrapping the half a billion a year in allowances then?


  • #9994
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What about scrapping the half a billion a year in allowances then?

    What about it?


  • #9995
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    For the first time ever in AH, a thread has reached its 10000 post limit.

    Part 2 of the thread is HERE


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