Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

I think the Ryu changes are really interesting to be honest. Pretty sure Orim is right about the Air Tatsu, that it might be again possible to use the 'coward copter' but without the full screen unpunishable crap that was in super, do it right and you'll be fine, though not totally out of pressure (maybe some OS's would be required to punish) or do it wrong and you get floaty tatsu and get punished big time. Essentially the old air tatsu comes out 3 frames earlier than before, that's what i got from it anyway.

Depending on how the damage scales on U2 it could be really useful, 50-100 extra damage could make all the difference, especially against low health chars like Yun, Seth and Akuma. Plus it as it's only 3 hits the opponents super wouldn't go up as much. It probably won't be used much more than it is now because of how useful U1 is but it's possible that this could work out really well for Ryu players, anti-airing dive kicks and burn kicks, more options ftw. It is so sad watching Air playing now and seeing him get bodied for free by other pros. I don't play Ryu but no one want's to see any char in the game be redundant.

I assume blowback means you simply push the other character back but I may be wrong seems to make the most sense.

Kirby wrote: »

Ooh. I can see some Yoga blast>Yoga Flame>Super being quite tasty. I like this change.


So the hitbox is still poor it seems but they have reduced sims hurtbox for the move. Might make it trade less which is good.

Hopefully more to come. More damage on Back MK would be nice. hoping for that.

Not sure how useful that would be kirby since the startup and recovery on normal versions of the blast are very slow. You can't really react to a jumpin with a normal blast, just ex. Would be amazing if ex blast comboed to bk hk or even U1 to stuff those unsafe jumpins on top of your head which usually trade. Give him his 3 frame back light kick back and make it combo into flame! I really want to punish balrog's rush overhead or honda's butt splash on block!

I hope they don't nerf viper's stun as I just stunned someone 0-950 in exactly 2 seconds and that's probably the most bs thing I've ever seen lol

Rose changes are good so far. She's finally got the real soul Piede back which will make the Zangief match up a lot less of a headache. More meter gain from spark is good. Better cl.mk. Not gonna say too much about U2 until I get a chance to use it.

Still got my fingers crossed for hp reflect into U1.

Yesterdays changes made me happy...today's made me quite annoyed. Glad to see what they done for Rufus, Fei, Rose and Abel, get the feeling Gouken is going to be the new scrub weapon of choice, Gen could get very scary...can't believe they gave Seth more combos...what the hell were the thinking. Delighted for the changes they made to Fei and Rose.

Poor Akuma though I know Akuma is very high tier in AE but i never thought of him as broken, maybe i was never on the wrong end of a bad matchup with him but he seemed like the most balanced of all the Top 10.

That 'buff' for Cammy is laughable, turtle-rogs and Bisons are still unbeatable. Sakura's changes are decent but he fireball still sucks too much to make it a viable zoning tool. Nice for the EX Fireball buff but i can hardly see it being worth more to finish a combo with EX Fireball than EX Shouken.

Seth for S-tier then...sure why not, not like he places in tourna...

Jun_DP101 wrote: »

Oh god.. Akuma forward throw nerfed, wasn't rly necessary tbh, oh well.... Did cammy get back her rh tkcs?

Lol i guess you mean rh cs and not tk? Yea she got that back but what's the point, holding down back blocks pretty much everything she does apart from throws. Sako pretty much developed Cammy's playstyle and even he doesn't play her anymore. To me putting back in the RH CS is the equivelent of polishing a turd. Give her something...an overhead, another cross-up that isn't insanely hard to land, a way to get in on fireball chars that isn't punishable by reaction DP...TKCS was a broken move but if they had removed just the TK part and let her do it as close to the ground as possible then she might still have a chance...

Orim wrote: »

Maybe it's just me but what? Especially the bolded part.

Exactly what Doom said, at the moment you can't do a cannon spike on the lower 1/3rd of her jump arc which makes it almost useless as a mixup because the other player can see and react to whether you do a CS or a cross up, if you watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTf8A9eoas you'll see what i mean. Rounds 2 and 3 all balrog does is block and counter which is more than enough to beat her convincingly...she has no way in

Can I ask what might be a stupid question - Are those changes likely to be the only ones considered or would they be looking at more? I know you can't really know that, but opinions?

Part 3 of the changes just came out with the rest of the characters.

The big one from it so far is that Hakan now starts every round oiled up!:eek:

Edit: Changes for Yun

Yun

• Target Combo 2 120 damage

• Target Combo 3 120 damage

• Target Combo 4 130 damage, -6 on block for second hit

• Target Combo 5 70 damage

• cr.LK has an upward extended hurtbox

• cr.MP damage from 60 to 50

• Higher high restriction for Raigekishu (dive kick), for LK, MK, and HK (all versions)

• +2 extra frames of hit, block stun on Raigekishu

• Senpukyaku (i'm assuming overhead) from 85 damage to 80 during Gen'ei Jin

• LK, MK, HK Zenpou Tenshin slowed to 11F, EX to 8F

• No throw invincibility on EX Zenpou

• EX Zesshou (lunge) hit distribution changed from 7/2 to 6/3, -1 on block

• MP, HP Kobokushi (palm) meter gain to +20

• LP Koboku is 25 frames total, MP, HP 45 frames total

• MP, HP Koboku damage from 160 to 140, stun from 250 to 200; chip damage for MP, HP to 30

• Active frames for MP, HP Koboku to 10

• Nishoukyaku (up kicks): LK only has invincibility up (and including) the first active frame

• More landing recovery on all versions (including EX)

• MK Nishou from 130 damage to 110

• Tetsuzanko (shoulder): HP damage from 140 to 100, EX from 80+70 to 90+40 (130 total); during the projectile invincible parts of the move, Yun's hurtbox against physical strikes is expanded

• Gen'ei Jin is a second shorter, does less damage



Its beautiful, isn't it?


Edit 2: Holy crap, Shokashi and ladnaponka (SP? ) are going to be delighted with the massive buffs Cody has gotten

Edit 3: Meanwhile my main has gotten some interesting changes, particularly to her U1

Juri

• Faster dash during Feng Shui Engine (UC1), further reach

• cl.MK 2nd hit has a larger hitbox, less likely to whiff when the 1st hits

• Focus attack hitbox revised, will hit smaller characters (when crouching, etc.)

• Fuhajin (fireball) kick attack damage to 50

• Senpusha (pinwheel): LK is has 5F extra advantage on first hit; MK, HK have 5F extra advantage on 1st, 2nd hit; EX has 5F extra advantage on 2nd hit.

• Senpusha ? FADC ? Kaisen Dankairaku (UC2) now possible

• EX Senpusha has an extra frame of invincibility during Feng Shui Engine for the first hit

• EX Shikusen (dive kick) trajectory can be changed by the kick buttons used during Feng Shui

• LK+MK: same trajectory as before; MK+HK: same as normal MK version, LK+HK: same as normal HK version; LK+MK+HK has the same trajectory as before

• Juri now gains 1/3 meter during Feng Shui Engine, improved from no meter gain

Tbh, I'm underwhelmed, sure there are some nice changes but its basically means I'm going to go out of my comfort zone that is U2 and start learning Ultra 1 to get the most of the changes.