Multi-functional events centre (Budget 2014)

kub · 05-03-2015 1:07pm

Is the brown material on the building wood? Well that won't look too pretty after a few months rain fall.
I hope in the design that they have allowed for easy access by painters as it will have to be maintained otherwise it will look awful.

D'Agger · 05-03-2015 1:26pm

If this is from 6 years ago then why's it suddenly showing up - is this actually being entered for planning?

evilivor · 05-03-2015 4:42pm

D'Agger wrote: »

If this is from 6 years ago then why's it suddenly showing up - is this actually being entered for planning?

And why are the photos so big?

ofcork · 05-03-2015 7:17pm

Owen o Callaghans event centre was being built on Albert quay anyway not this site.

Michael.. · 05-03-2015 7:31pm

D'Agger wrote: »

If this is from 6 years ago then why's it suddenly showing up - is this actually being entered for planning?

Because it's just part of Wilson Architecture's online portfolio. Them pictures have been on their site for years. That said, O'Callaghan may just trim a couple of floors off it and re-apply for planning.

I heard a couple of months ago that he has two office blocks planned for this year. One on the aforementioned site and the other on his Albert Quay site. The sooner he develops the Anderson's Quay site the better - serious eyesore.

mire · 06-03-2015 10:06am

Those photomontages are quite different to the previously permitted scheme, so I had wondered if this was the latest iteration. If these have been onb Wilson's Site for a while maybe not.

calnand · 18-03-2015 12:44am

Just saw that Octoberfest Beag will be taking place in Beamish and Crawford, so it looks like there's going to be no work done on the site any time soon.

KCAccidental · 18-03-2015 2:18am

I have heard rumblings about there being further planning issues with the site. I wouldn't be holding my breath on it.

mire · 18-03-2015 9:43am

I wouldn't be surprised if they submitted some proposed amendments to the scheme on the back of redesigns associated with involvement of an operator. This is a big scheme and a big investment. I'd imagine that modifications to the scheme woudl be no big issue.

CHealy · 18-03-2015 4:16pm

It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't built for another 10 years. Too much messing going on with it, its been a bad omen from the start.

D'Agger · 18-03-2015 4:30pm

Was it not stated that construction would look to begin late 2015 with a decision having been made early 2015?

I was under the impression that somebody on here had alluded to that hopefully we'd see it started by Summer but that would be wishful thinking. So seeing something booked into Beamish & Crawford for September isn't suprising to me and it certainly doesn't have me worried that construction won't start for ages.

I think 10 years is a bit much CHealy but we can only wait and see. I would just like to see more transparency on the in's and outs of this so people know the reasons for delays etc.

Michael.. · 18-03-2015 6:24pm

Oktoberfest is going ahead on the Beamish & Crawford site so I'd imagine we won't be seeing any movement until at least early 2016.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 18-03-2015 6:29pm

calnand wrote: »

Just saw that Octoberfest Beag will be taking place in Beamish and Crawford, so it looks like there's going to be no work done on the site any time soon.

Michael.. wrote: »

Oktoberfest is going ahead on the Beamish & Crawford site so I'd imagine we won't be seeing any movement until at least early 2016.

Gowan

the beer revolu · 18-03-2015 8:57pm

Is it possible that works could be ongoing behind while the festival takes place out front?

calnand · 18-03-2015 9:48pm

The festival does take place in front of the counting house and at present heineken/bam haven't said anything about if the rest of the development is going ahead, so it could, but I don't think any festival would think of running next to an active building site.

thomil · 18-03-2015 10:07pm

calnand wrote: »

The festival does take place in front of the counting house and at present heineken/bam haven't said anything about if the rest of the development is going ahead, so it could, but I don't think any festival would think of running next to an active building site.

That's my take on it as well. If anything, they'll probably just do some preliminary works, a more in depth survey of the site, to see where the ground might be contaminated, or some initial clean-up.

Rhys Essien · 19-03-2015 12:59am

On George Hook radio show yesterday,they said work starts 2016 and completed in 2017.

kub · 19-03-2015 10:08pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

On George Hook radio show yesterday,they said work starts 2016 and completed in 2017.

Has anyone quiried how long the archaeologists will take?

namloc1980 · 19-03-2015 10:24pm

kub wrote: »

Has anyone quiried how long the archaeologists will take?

Really depends what's there. Could be quick or it could turn into a decade long saga like Wood Quay in Dublin.

Rhys Essien · 27-03-2015 2:57am

The head of Bam Ireland said they hope to start the events centre by the end of the year.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/euro500m-worth-of-development-projects-to-transform-cork-320739.html

BUNK1982 · 27-03-2015 10:50am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

The head of Bam Ireland said they hope to start the events centre by the end of the year.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/euro500m-worth-of-development-projects-to-transform-cork-320739.html

Thanks for sharing that - all looks good and great to see development like this in the city centre.

That Brooks Haughton site is across from the College of Comm yes?

D'Agger · 27-03-2015 11:01am

BUNK1982 wrote: »

Thanks for sharing that - all looks good and great to see development like this in the city centre.

That Brooks Haughton site is across from the College of Comm yes?

Looks that way from the railing/bridge in the photo alright

Glad to see the City being developed, really interested to see how Cork comes on in the next 3-5 years, very exciting times ahead hopefully

Michael.. · 27-03-2015 12:18pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

The head of Bam Ireland said they hope to start the events centre by the end of the year.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/euro500m-worth-of-development-projects-to-transform-cork-320739.html

I wonder why it's taking so long to get this started.

John Cleary Developments only bought the Capitol site a month or two ago and they've lodge planning and are ready to built immediately.

Oktober Fest is on this year in the Beamish site so they won't be doing anything before that. By that stage 10 months will have passed since they got approved government/council funding. I'd actually be very surprised if anything happens this year.

FrStone · 27-03-2015 3:31pm

Meanwhile, the city council said it has plans to upgrade the South Mall, Lapps Quay, and is finalising its derelict sites register with plans to take targeted action on certain structures.

This is the last paragraph of that article in the Examiner.

I wonder what they mean by this? The South Mall is fine, some of the buildings could do with a lick of paint. I hope they don't see the South Mall as some place to interfere. I'm in the horrors imagining their ideas (more pedestrian crossings, more Coke Zero bikes instead of parking spaces for the client popping into an insurance broker or legal firm).

Going Strong · 27-03-2015 5:07pm

I saw workmen securing the unfinished hotel at the top of the South mall the other day.

moyners · 29-03-2015 6:32pm

Michael.. wrote: »

I wonder why it's taking so long to get this started.

I'd say the main reason is dealing with public authorities. Everything takes longer. The funding got approved at the end of last year but it'll take them months to cross the t's and dot the i's on all the public funding agreements etc.

On the other hand, everybody would be up in arms if public money was given out without due process - you can't win

cgcsb · 29-03-2015 8:33pm

FrStone wrote: »

This is the last paragraph of that article in the Examiner.

I wonder what they mean by this? The South Mall is fine, some of the buildings could do with a lick of paint. I hope they don't see the South Mall as some place to interfere. I'm in the horrors imagining their ideas (more pedestrian crossings, more Coke Zero bikes instead of parking spaces for the client popping into an insurance broker or legal firm).

Can clients not cycle?

opus · 13-04-2015 4:10pm

Didn't realise how much of the Beamish site had already been demolished 'til I took a wander up the Elizabethian Fort at the w/end.

namloc1980 · 14-07-2015 11:35pm

Anyone hear any more on this? I've heard that negotiations with LiveNation to operate the place are proving very difficult as there are doubts over the commercial viability of the events centre in the long run. The government won't keep the money on hold forever.

AugustusMinimus · 15-07-2015 8:15am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Anyone hear any more on this? I've heard that negotiations with LiveNation to operate the place are proving very difficult as there are doubts over the commercial viability of the events centre in the long run. The government won't keep the money on hold forever.

I'm no pessimist but I can't see this going ahead. The money will be on the table as far as the next election. The day after it will be gone.

CHealy · 15-07-2015 8:47am

I doubt it'll go ahead either, its too much of a mess already.

AugustusMinimus · 15-07-2015 8:48am

Cork can't have nice things. It will most likely end up being built in Limerick. Mark my words.

namloc1980 · 15-07-2015 9:23am

Wouldn't totally rule it out being built but would be less positive than I would have been.

D'Agger · 15-07-2015 11:24am

Well Shít

Do people think LiveNation or the location and issues with archeology will prove decisive.

Surprised that more people aren't fighting to get this done quickly as there are lots of business people in Cork who could gain from this in a big way

Rhys Essien · 15-07-2015 9:18pm

According to this,everything is still on track.

http://www.redfm.ie/news/cork/talks-continue-over-new-convention-centre-in-cork/

Meursault · 16-07-2015 1:12pm

I am getting worried now too at this stage. Nothing seems to have happened since it was announced that the Beamish site was the successful bidder

I cant see how this would not be a success, given the popularity of the Marquee over the last 10 years.

I hope whoever is responsible dont f**k it up. Cork has enough bad news with the airport as it is. We are really poorly served with our public representatives.

namloc1980 · 16-07-2015 2:02pm

Meursault wrote: »

I am getting worried now too at this stage. Nothing seems to have happened since it was announced that the Beamish site was the successful bidder

I cant see how this would not be a success, given the popularity of the Marquee over the last 10 years.

I hope whoever is responsible dont f**k it up. Cork has enough bad news with the airport as it is. We are really poorly served with our public representatives.

Apparently the GAAs business plan for Pairc Ui Chaoimh (the new one after the Government said the first one was a joke) relies heavily on using PUC for concerts/events. Not just big concerts but marquee sized also which would put it in direct competition with the events centre. Have heard this has muddied the waters in the negotiations on the viability of the events centre.

Rhys Essien · 16-07-2015 8:53pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Apparently the GAAs business plan for Pairc Ui Chaoimh (the new one after the Government said the first one was a joke) relies heavily on using PUC for concerts/events. Not just big concerts but marquee sized also which would put it in direct competition with the events centre. Have heard this has muddied the waters in the negotiations on the viability of the events centre.

That doesnt make sense.Why would you put on a gig at PUC and have only 6000 people.No doubt they will have their 1 or 2 big stadium gigs a year for the rock and pop heavyweights.The arena should be fine for everything else.

Sounds Dreamy · 17-07-2015 4:09pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

That doesnt make sense.Why would you put on a gig at PUC and have only 6000 people.No doubt they will have their 1 or 2 big stadium gigs a year for the rock and pop heavyweights.The arena should be fine for everything else.

The GAA business plan mentions festivals. The expectation is that they be held on the site of the planned centre of excellence. Aiken and GAA have already worked together in the past and this relationship is expected to continue even after the Bruce Springsteen fiasco.

Issue now is will the Marquee threaten the viability of the planned City based events centre and if Live Nation gets wind of this will they run a mile. They're already on tender hooks.

Going Strong · 17-07-2015 4:13pm

Sounds Dreamy wrote: »

The GAA business plan mentions festivals. The expectation is that they be held on the site of the planned centre of excellence. Aiken and GAA have already worked together in the past and this relationship is expected to continue even after the Bruce Springsteen fiasco.

Issue now is will the Marquee threaten the viability of the planned City based events centre and if Live Nation gets wind of this will they run a mile. They're already on tender hooks.

The proposed widening of the lower end of Skehard Road is also linked to Pairc Ui Caoimh and the expected increase in traffic.

D'Agger · 17-07-2015 5:16pm

Sounds Dreamy wrote: »

The GAA business plan mentions festivals. The expectation is that they be held on the site of the planned centre of excellence. Aiken and GAA have already worked together in the past and this relationship is expected to continue even after the Bruce Springsteen fiasco.

Issue now is will the Marquee threaten the viability of the planned City based events centre and if Live Nation gets wind of this will they run a mile. They're already on tender hooks.

Something like Longitude i.e. a daytime festival could be done there but even then that doesn't seem to have an effect on the 3 arena in Dublin, admittedly populations are different between the cities but their business models are different.

There's festivals throughout the country - if the event centre i.e. Livenation can get quality acts into an arena that can stage them, then there will be demand. I don't see the GAA posing prolonged competition to an events centre - any gigs will be summer gigs & even if the GAA secured large acts during the summer months, a convention centre will still pull in business - particularly from the technology side of things. A quick look at the 3 arena web page shows a variety of acts - from magic to comedy, mrs. Browns boys panto style stuff - I don't think the Pairc Ui Chaoimh poses enough of a threat to scupper this.

Rhys Essien · 04-09-2015 4:01pm

Simon Coveney said he hopes that this starts next month.

CHealy · 04-09-2015 4:11pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Simon Coveney said he hopes that this starts next month.

Making sure to make all the promises before the election.

clerk · 04-09-2015 4:18pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Simon Coveney said he hopes that this starts next month.

You'd swear there was an election coming up or something !!?

cgcsb · 04-09-2015 4:24pm

Given that an election is not likely before February/March, he'd be a bit pre-mature to say he hopes it'll start next month (October). If the election has anything to do with this.

clerk · 04-09-2015 4:36pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Given that an election is not likely before February/March, he'd be a bit pre-mature to say he hope's it'll start next month (October). If the election has anything to do with this.

Wouldn't agree with you there. They will spend more time in their local area for the next 5/6 Months and he needs to be telling people all the good things that are going to happen until he's re-elected.

We had the councilors down by us making promises last Year, before their election, about things they were going to do in the locality and it all sounded lovely. Election came and went and the promises were exactly that 'promises', nothing was done.

The older I get the more the old phrase "talk is cheap" means to me.

They're all the same.

We can come back to this issue next Month, October, and I'd bet there's no change. It's ground to a big fat stop.

KCAccidental · 04-09-2015 10:30pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Given that an election is not likely before February/March, he'd be a bit pre-mature to say he hopes it'll start next month (October). If the election has anything to do with this.

election will be earlier than that I'd say.

AugustusMinimus · 05-09-2015 7:47pm

Prediction: this will simply never happen. Expect a similar project to be built in a few years in Limerick which will be supported from all sides and will be a major success.

the beer revolu · 06-09-2015 11:45am

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Prediction: this will simply never happen. Expect a similar project to be built in a few years in Limerick which will be supported from all sides and will be a major success.

Maybe that's because Limerick people aren't filled with bitter negativity!

Cork optimism, boy!

CHealy · 07-09-2015 11:06am

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/simon-coveney-warning-on-cork-events-centre-project-352375.html

Article on this in the paper. Not looking good at all no matter what Coveney says. I'm 90% sure this won't be happening now. Its a pity.

Multi-functional events centre (Budget 2014)

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